Best Avalon 737 Settings Plugin & Hardware

[@Zarabozo]

Not using the EQ in the Avalon is kind of a waste. It has a signature sound/color that is great when used properly. I can understand the fear to process a signal before tracking, but you can get to a point where you know your preamp well enough and have enough experience playing with its EQ (and even its compressor, which also has its own sound) to feel confident you are taking good decisions that won't be a problem after tracking. But to get there, you really need to start doing it and allow youself to make mistakes while you experiment. Just think that's the way things got done before DAWs and we have amazing sounding records from the 70s and 80s.

[@salthedrummer1]

great point..

[@bennettshapiro7711]

And of course whether or not you need the high gain setting, depends on the volume level of your input source. The SPL created by a human voice talking is phenomenally different from the SPL created by a kick drum or a snare drum or 100W Soldano. So how the preamp is being hit would change enormously depending on the sound source. Whether or not you would want to have that high gain button engaged, would then of course, depend on the sound source.

[@REMRODFILMS]

Just got mine for a steal! Always wanted the avi! It sounds amazing!

[@chiller9601]

High Gain= less tubes saturated? It just boosts the Input gain +8db on Line and +18db on Mic input to drive the tubes even harder.

[@chocomilo4420]

Thought so too

[@acbeats3994]

was thinking the same thing this makes no sense

[@Azo4Lyfe]

Man I had almost the same settings on mine I appreciate you showing yours it made a big difference because was using the mic instead of the line.

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

No problem man glad it helped!

[@Gainsforlife]

@@UndergroundSoundProductions looked into the specs. According to the manual, pressing the high gain will boost your mic input by +18 db and line by +8 db. Both are balanced inputs, so my only guess that you run your input through line instead of mic is so that when you add the high gain feature you can crank your preamp gain to increase tube saturation within your recording.

[@ETCPRODUCTIONS88]

@@Gainsforlife how do you run it through the line

[@Gainsforlife]

@@ETCPRODUCTIONS88 turn the knob to line bro

[@Itseightysix]

@@Gainsforlife im confused , I have a condenser that needs phantom power , and its not letting me do line ?

[@VOByRobbins]

I am blown away with the hardware, got mine today off of reverb (used) -- wow, what a difference--- amazing!!!!! (I do voiceover/audiobooks)

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

It really is amazing. The more you use it, the more you’ll fall in love with it. Enjoy!

[@PuffTMagicDragon]

Isn’t the added saturation and harmonics part of the very reason to pick up a tube-pre? Might as well plug the mic into the board.

[@VX7AK]

im buying a 2021 i mac and upgrading to avalon737 sp, neuman u87, uad appolo twin duo, 8 channel digital mixer, and im buying a vocal booth, bro im super excited

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

😮 damnnn man that's awesome! Happy for you bro enjoy it. The 737 is a grail piece for so many and rightfully so. I've been lowkey missing my 737 since I got rid of it 😕

[@charliekey2979]

Thanks for all the usefully information.

[@marioadams1005]

Can this plug in be used on Garage Band?

[@skaylars]

So do you use this preamp as unison or? Because I reckon you'll need to dial in some preamp gain and since you're not using the preamp gain on the 737. I kind of wonder. I remember from when I demoed this thing I had to crank up the preamp gain on the 737 to get a decent signal (I used it in unison)

[@teashea1]

Hi gain actually results in more distortion ---- read the Avalon manual.

[@vtown1364]

Speaks truth. I bought it too for same reason

[@bk327]

Quick question- You say you don't use the compression and EQ, but these are turned on in you example. You also have phase REV on and compressor attack on. did you mean to turn these features off? Trying to set mine up like yours.

[@MistaP1ff]

Why don’t KZbinrs use de-essers?🤔

[@ReflektonRecords]

Uneducated

[@mensonges9472]

he is using a de-esser on this vid

[@rayrav__]

I can’t unsee this comment and now I hear it😂😂😂

[@crafting11111]

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[@SoundReserveStudio]

Traded my Avalon 737 for a vintech 273. Got tired of the Avalon and Neumann u87ai combo after a couple years. Plus, the Avalon started acting up over time and required me calling them and having them walk me through taking the casing off and unplugging the cords in the power supply section from the board and reseating it again because sometimes the input wouldn’t pick up anything.

[@lightafluident.9950]

With all the other options out there, who needs an Avalon? I'd rather build my own channel strip with separate processors for all the money you spend on an Avalon.

[@flamersss]

Can I buy just the plug-in from there website? Or do you have to have actual equipment from them in order to use it? I have a focusrite 2i2 interface

[@Ali_ReBORN]

You could easily have the mic angled sideways so that you can have your audience see you (which is important) with a little off axis audio that would still sound great.

[@bennettshapiro7711]

He could also get very good results using a shotgun mic like a Sennheiser ME66 with a K6. There’s absolutely no reason to use a large diaphragm condenser right in front of your face. Audio science goes way beyond that.

[@MuppetManization]

If his Avalon was correctly set he would be able to sit almost a foot off of it and get the same sound he would being smashed up against his pop screen.

[@therealtzbaby]

Thanks for the video, been debating on buying the UAD Plugin of the Avalon. This helps

[@YXNGNESS]

Buy it. Don’t think twice

[@zone7rizzo]

When I switch my button from line to mic I get a lot of feedback . I’m on an Apollo twin with a tlm 103 mic , is it becasue I have plug ins while recording ? I mean I fixed that so there no screeching .. but the only fix is turning my pre amp gain down a lot.. is it my setting or my Apollo twin

[@jaybenjamindr]

Dope brodie!!🪐🪐🪐💚

[@melodyman1662]

Great vid but I notice that the plug-in has more buttons than the hardware.

[@crisnla1]

Thanks! What EQ & Compressor do you use after the 737 when mixing vocals? 🎶🎵🎶

[@cheynobi]

With the avalon, I want to get it and a lct 540. Should I also get the motu m2 with the avalon. Looking for better options than rodecaster pro

[@latinkingsdigitalmusic]

Best Plug in Ever

[@Desi1080ptv]

ok i kinda see everybody else asking about the line in i tried it to and mine wont work, i have a trs line cable but its just silence when i put on line it only works on mic, so what do i need to do to be able to put it on line and it work like yours i also have 737 hardware and i have apollo quad 8 i have trs into line 6 on back, and i have line 6 in apollo interface software but it only works if i put it on mic

[@o5music716]

Do i have to turn the mic signal completely down on the apollo but just use the avalon to make up the sound? Or do i have to turn on my mic signal on the apollo. Bought my apollo yesterday and it confuses me😂😂 turning mic signal to zero, turning comp and eq off and enabling high gain puts the vocals up to over 0 db but i want to have a maximum of -9db, even when the rapper is yelling but wajt to keep that avalon sound.

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

turn the channel your avalon is plugged into on the Apollo to line level. then make up for the gain on the avalon. the apollo is simply just the A/D converter for the chain so it doesn't actually need to provide any gain

[@o5music716]

@@UndergroundSoundProductions thank you G!!

[@heatlabstudio1]

Awesome video bro! I'll be subscribing 💪🏼

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

Appreciate you man 🙌

[@YXNGNESS]

Thanks! Just got the avalon plugin from UAD along with the Neve 1078. What’s your thoughts on the Neve. I’m also using my Apollo twin x duo

[@TheLexnetwork]

Sup bro. Do you have a copy you can share

[@Gainsforlife]

@@TheLexnetwork can't share with ua plug ins lol

[@holywaterandgreentea]

Excellent Thanks

[@MuppetManization]

No sir. Hi gain gives you much more tube. Its a high gain. You do it know how to set you pre, adjust your frequency or compressor so to use high gain would compensate for a huge loss . Use your Avalon. Everything but the phase. And you can even learn how to use that.

[@firstserved1069]

do you have any videos connecting the Apollo twin to an external preamp ?

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

So connecting the twin to outboard gear or the other way around? If you meant outboard gear to twin, make sure the twin is in line level with the gain completely turned off, then use a quarter inch male trs cable from outboard gear into twins line input. However, for line out you use the two line outs on the back and you have to do some routing. I’d suggest watching raw techniques video on him using the pulteq eq’s with his twin. Great informative video that gets straight to the point and makes it simple enough to understand!

[@firstserved1069]

@@UndergroundSoundProductions thanks I appreciate the help

[@jayjay-gy7zu]

I use the golden age project pre-73 preamp with my avantone cv-12 mic and i want to make the sound more clear. If i get the avalon 737 preamp plugin will it make a difference in sound quality still?

[@jayjay-gy7zu]

“more clear” as in better quality i mean

[@Onlyonesanta]

@@jayjay-gy7zu I had the same mic and preamp combo and you prolly just need to mix better. The 73 is a colored preamp so it’s not pristine and transparent in every mix. The Art Voice channel works amazing with the CV-12

[@lightafluident.9950]

You should have gotten Warm Audio mic pre instead of Golden Age. Warm Audio mic pres are great!!!!

[@thisisDeus]

How come you don't use the whole channel strip? There are pre amp versions of the avalon as well

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

I will on occasion. But I really just prefer the preamp on the Avalon more so than anything cause I use my other compressors and eq most the time

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

I was wanting to use it for my next song I’m working on for KZbin

[@EHall-zj9zy]

Yo Ty, Are you leaving the input source on “line” or are you using “mic” as your input source? I see in the video, your source was on “line”. Also you are running this in “unison” correct?

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

If my microphone is needing to be amplified it would be set to mic. If it’s an already amplified source running into the preamp, it’d be set on line and connected via balanced trs cable on back. Yes I was properly using this preamp at the time of filming

[@EHall-zj9zy]

@@UndergroundSoundProductions so I switched the “mic” input button over to “line” and I’m getting no sound at all now. I’m also using the TLM103. I only get sound of I’m using the “mic” input instead. Any ideas?

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

Are you plugging the mic directly into the 737? Because if so you need it set to Mic so you can amplify the signal. That’s why you’re not hearing anything when set to line!

[@EHall-zj9zy]

@@UndergroundSoundProductions Gotcha. So I take it that you must be plugged into a hardware pre before you plug into your Apollo correct? That’s how you’re able to run it on line input.

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

Yes

[@CODEOFCONDUCTENT.]

What compressor do you use since you don't use the built in one on the Avalon? I have the software Avalon (Apollo)

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

I have an 1176 and LA2A style compressor from the company Klerk Teknik. I have a few videos up on my channel demoing them if you wanna check em out

[@CODEOFCONDUCTENT.]

@@UndergroundSoundProductions Thanks for the response back ok I have LA2A from UAD Audio that's part of my vocal chain when I record. Im bought to check it out now!! I just subscribe to your channel!! thanks for the feed back!!

[@UndergroundSoundProductions]

For sure man thank you

[@bohlalemasoga774]

Hey man I have a question,do u use a windows device? And wat audio interface do u use because I've been wondering if an avalon can connect and work well with a windows

[@DamijinMyndz]

I have my tlm49 going into my Avalon then out to my ssl2+ and keep getting this delay i couldn’t work around so I put the mic straight into the ssl2+ and no latency issue...but I want to use my Avalon!!!!!!!

[@camerongriffith4858]

Great video. How do you bypass the Apollos preamp so I can only utilize the 737 while recording?

[@bean.011]

Use it as line intead of mic

[@craigwilson2568]

The appollos pre amp changes into the 737. Thats the point of unison

[@glencruciani]

What mic are you using? Sounds great!

[@keelochannel4905]

Neumann TLM 103

[@YXNGNESS]

I just bought the same mic! It’s so crisp and amazing

[@TheVALLEYBOY559]

I ALWAYS WONDERED IF THE 737 WAS REALLY THAT GOOD ! I ALWAYS USED THE ISA ONE WITH MY U87 AND MY BLUE BABY BOTTLE AND IT IS A REALLY GOOD MIC PRE, BUT I WONDER IF THE 737 WILL BE BETTER FOR MY U87 ! THE ISA ONE IS SOLID STATE AND THE 737 IS A TUBE SO IDK THE TOTAL DIFFERENCE BUT ID LIKE TO TRY IT ! DOES IT GIVE MORE WARTH? AND CLAIRTY ? OR WHAT WILL IT GIVE U THINK ? IN YOUR OPINION ? THANKS TY ! PRICIATE YA VIDS MAIN ! AND I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT U SAID ABOUT THE APOLLO TWIN ! SHIT IS OVERRATED . MY APOGEE IS KILLIN THAT UA WITH CONVERTERS AND I CAN BYPASS IT FOR MY MIC PRE ! LOL I GO WITH APOGEE OVER ANY INTERFACE !

[@YXNGNESS]

Haha I just bought the Isa one preamp for my home studio and it’s awesome. Along with my Neumann tlm 103 .

[@TheVALLEYBOY559]

YUNG NESS yea the isa one is well worth the money

[@KeenApollo]

Tube and solid state aren't really that different. It's just different ways it goes about amplifying a signal. A neve 1073 could have a warmer sound than some "tube" gear for example

[@frankpaws]

I think I now expect a recording of a grain of salt with high gain engaged.

[@jcgellidon]

Thanks!

[@BenHarrismusic]

So helpful! Thx a lot

[@OutdoorKings17]

How would you plug this Avalon into a preamp interface like a scarlet

[@BREVNER]

Mason Vang you wouldn’t. : /

[@MikeyCasasola]

Mic to Avalon to scarlet to usb that’s how my studio is set up

[@ovadoseod]

mic into avalon-> line out of avalon into the line input of the interface

[@DamijinMyndz]

@@MikeyCasasola are you using Windows? I get a delay with pro tools. Logic on my Mac with the same setup (not pro tools) I get no delay. I really want to use my Avalon tho with pro tools but can’t figure out a work around aside from not using the Avalon and plugging directly into my ssl2+

[@DamijinMyndz]

@@ovadoseod are you using Windows? I get a delay with pro tools. Logic on my Mac with the same setup (not pro tools) I get no delay.

[@freezegovan]

It’s 50% off till October 31 👍🏿 GO COP

[@tyfil7443]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@quantumsound2423]

VT737 preamp and compressor are meh, but EQ is gold

[@justincolenproductions]

I agree, kinda surprised he doesn't use the eq. Part of the magic of that unit in my opinion.

[@harleyrider9166]

LMAO…you say meh, but it’s one of the top 10 Standard Mic Pres in the recording industry🤣🤣🤣

[@strategicpeoples2973]

great info

[@davidvalens3337]

manly voxbox or Avalon 737?

[@officialcisko]

Both sound good. I own booth and still undecided on which one I like better

[@linkydinkydoodledumplin]

3:11 to 4:21 "I recommend you turn on high gain" Spends almost one minute to tell you 7 words. lol.

[@faithhopelove6945]

U look a little funny behind the Pop Filter (":

[@teashea1]

Production values of the video are good but get the mic out of the way.

[@hawkeshiphop]

Dope video bro! I use the high gain button on the uad version & the quality is clean BUT when engaged, there’s a lot of mic hiss when tracking & in the recording. Any advice to reduce that?🙏🏼

[@JavierLaAmenazaTVHD]

pass me the plugins

[@CJ-uy6pw]

So you spent over three grand on a 737 and you don’t use compressor or EQ , and you only ever use high gain. Lol. So you bought a 737 and you use it as a $1000 clean pre like a Grace m101. You sure you didn’t buy it as a trophy dude. Very big Grain of salt. You need to learn how to use a channel strip bro.

[@MillionaireMindedMusicGroup]

how would you use it on rap vocals cj ? i use high gain and i get hella mic noise. i use the noise gate but the filter popping in and out is nasty sounding. the vocal part clean but in between words and bars you hear mic noise come in and out. if i high gain do i lower the input gain ?

[@lightafluident.9950]

The Avalon compressor sucks I heard.

[@blackk7215]

Sounds like you need to change your tubes@@MillionaireMindedMusicGroup

[@blackk7215]

Ohh you have to do is listen to most of the hip hop music and R&B music in the 90s in early to mid 2000s and that's the sound of the Avalon hard to say it sucks

[@coyoteserranoband]

I've been following you for awhile and your vids are helpful man!! Thx:) much love! Checkout m channel too. Ordered a new apollo x!! Cant wait!

[@BojanBojovic]

Never heard any saturation from the 737. Such an overrated device in that sense. In a sense of being a well built, low noise, Class A preamp it is good. Still, a clean preamp for this kind of money, totally illogical in this day and age.