Best CBT Bike | ZERO S/SUPER SOCO TCMax/NIU NGT

[@ccomspinanutshell4449]

Had a zero S for a year now. Most fun I’ve ever had on a Motorcycle! Absolutely love it

[@CrissaKentavr]

Zero S was my first bike and it's a perfect first bike. You can set the throttle to whatever limits your skill has, and limit the top speed, too. It has enough power that you're not lost in traffic, but not so much that you'll yeet yourself into cross traffic. It's a real bike with just as much power as the gas bikes in the class.

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[@keithshwalbe6981]

Excellent job of making quick, relevant and informative reviews. thank you. I'm pleased to have come across your channel.

[@NemoEUC]

Availability for ppl who live in the US: NIU NGT might be coming to San Diego. Might be a great commuter scooter. Sells for $4600 USD. Super Soco TC Max, bloody hard to get one shipped over here, still looking. Zero, well, there's a dealership right down the street.

[@peterwilliamson4296]

I think the Zero bikes are in a different class altogether which others can aspire to. In regards the other bikes, hill climbing data is a biggie unless flat road use is intended. Cheers

[@123mirc]

Exactly. The hill climbing abilities of any of these bikes, beside the Zero S, are a big drawback. I wanted really bad a Super Soco or a Horwin (similar to the NIU), but those just cannot climb hills as good. Maybe my choice will be a Sur Ron, but time will tell. These electric dirt bikes are a good alternative, if you live in a city which has a lot of hills.

[@renynzea]

I started on a Zero S. Put it in custom mode and turned the torque all the way down. It was easy to learn on due to the lack of a clutch and the smoothness of the throttle. Then over the first couple of months I ramped the torque back up. Can take slow speed drops like a champ. Range is 100 miles, on average, and the brakes are no joke. The ABS is flawless and saved my bacon a few times. Only downside is cost and service. If the electronics go out you may have trouble getting one fixed. Dealership had to crate mine back to Zero, and I have no idea when I'll get it back. Or how much it will cost to have it repaired.

[@RarefiedRoad]

Useful consumer experience thank you. Sorry to hear about the hastle getting it fixed. I think that's one of the only big draw backs for me at the moment, I'd hate to be in the same position waiting for it to be shipped back fixed. Hopefully the mechanical support improves in the future, there probably aren't that many mainstream mechanics around to fix them at the moment.

[@samphillips3405]

Did my CBT last Monday and my 2020 Zero S gets delivered next week 🤣😁

[@renynzea]

@@samphillips3405 Word of advice on charging your Zero: Unplug it at your earliest convenience once it has finished charging to minimize the risk of something happening to the on-board charger and battery. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I have mine.

[@samphillips3405]

@@renynzea thanks mate. My commute is only 5 miles each way so I'll most likely only charge it once a week - did you get the 14.4 battery? How long did it last on a long higher speed journey?

[@renynzea]

@@samphillips3405 Yeah, I got the 14.4 battery, and I get around 90-100 miles of range at 50 mph. My normal commute is around 35 miles, both ways. I end up with about 60-62% remaining each day, but I hit stretches where I go closer to 60 mph, and I keep it in sport mode and use the torque aggressively. I'm also a fatty, so I am sure it decreases my range somewhat. The lowest I have ever gotten the battery to was around 20% after doing weekend rides. Don't remember the range. I'm 6'1" and while I find the bike comfortable for up to an hour, after about 1.5 hours I start to get cramps. So I am done before the battery is.

[@bonsan9059]

Super soco only had about 50%....that makes a BIG difference to performance, try it with 100% or a higher charge next time and see how it goes ;)

[@robbikebob]

I like the S, but, like you say, at 17 I would have DEFINITELY crashed that in very short order. When I started riding I came off 3 times in 2 months but was always going slow enough to walk away. I wouldn't have seen the week out on this! And now I've been riding for 28 years, when I slow down, muscle memory pulls the clutch in. Not a problem if it's not there. A huge problem if it's the rear brake!

[@RarefiedRoad]

Yeah luckily the controls are like they would be on a petrol bike so you won't accidentally pull the brake, but that power means you would have been coming off at much higher speeds so it's good these weren't available when you passed otherwise you might not still be with us.

[@robbikebob]

@@RarefiedRoad oh, I tried very hard to kill myself up to my mid twenties but then falling off was becoming too painful and expensive so I decided to try staying on my bike after that!

[@ianhobie123]

@@RarefiedRoad nonsense more power does not mean more speed unless you're an idiot. We've enough damn nanny state inteference as it is. I used to ride a gpz 750 when i was in my teens, never did any tests back then just got in the bastard and went out, then again it wasn't a pussy ass millenial feminised world then and people had more independant common sense and derring-do.

[@CrissaKentavr]

@@ianhobie123 Even more, a Zero lets you change how sensitive the throttle is. There's a little mode button to select it on the fly and an app to set custom settings. You can change the top speed, too.

[@madriderganstar]

For the price of the bike is ridiculous but thinking about it you dont have to pay for petrol what is costing more every year. but the real question how much would it be to insure it?

[@churcher8334]

Over a thousand a year. I've looked into it. 47yrs old ridden all my life commute wise so L plate all the time. Its cheaper by half to go and do the full license. And by a second hand r1

[@CatHarington]

Love the decals

[@Ruikesan]

Those auto generated closed captions are having a hard time especially when you "pop in setting 3" on the Soco.

[@marko7969]

Super soaker 😂

[@RickySimpkin]

Any idea where I can get super soco in Newcastle, and will a dealership down south deliver, thanks in advance

[@RarefiedRoad]

I don't know about local dealers but I know the English Electric Motor company do supply throughout the UK and even if they can't get it out to you they will know who to contact. They'd be my first port of call.

[@dhbee1254]

Just wondering if you found any local dealers up Newcastle I'm looking for a zero fxs in the same area

[@RickySimpkin]

@@dhbee1254 I found a place near york. Maintainence put me off. Can't remember the name unfortunately

[@dhbee1254]

@@RickySimpkin no problem thanks anyways mate

[@davyhoogy]

@@dhbee1254 did you find one? I’m in Sunderland but looking at an FXE in Peterborough

[@jenskalsen6648]

I found a 2020 tc max that im Think of buying, would your cable and plugs fit that and how would the parameters be compared to the ones in your video? Would i be able to do 100km/h down the freeway? Last whats your web address? Best regards Jens

[@Crashed131963]

.I would not need more than 20 miles range max for where I would go. Do I need the battery under the eat of the HUI NGT? I would rather have the storage,

[@zerocool6452]

If you want to go faster than 45 km/h (28 mph) than you need the two batteries. It will restrict itself to 45 km/h if you only have one of them.

[@Thechist781]

I can see scooter suspension is kind of rough 😊

[@1montoma]

Good work bro, thanks a lot

[@RarefiedRoad]

Thank you

[@Ematuresco]

@@RarefiedRoad Man I've looked for such a video for ages ! Could you please tell me from the riding experience between the NGT, the TC and TC Max - how they felt driving compared to each other ? I'm trying to deciede which one to buy, of course with the faster ones there s a new license to be baught, too...

[@karlosh9286]

I don't think ABS is required on A1 bikes and below. A2 and above yes, it's the law on new bikes. I also might be correct in thinking that A1 bikes and below need to have linked braking so when you apply the front it does a little bit on the rear.

[@RarefiedRoad]

I think you're right actually, or at least I've seen linked braking on a few other 125cc bikes.

[@pittzhu7785]

We have YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC-60V36AH, YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC-60V48AH, YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC-60V57.6AH, YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC- 60V60AH Lithium battery for SOCO.

[@kemalcitil9173]

Dude i like your gloves. Where can i buy it? Can you tell me the brand, thanks..

[@yannickverlinden4009]

Good review

[@RarefiedRoad]

Thanks

[@instars2027]

Review Horwin F60 please

[@First_Principals]

If they could make a 3 wheel bike similar to the piaggio mp3 it would be a game changer.

[@TheHawkRicky]

You can get them

[@evilkh3990]

I think Nui is about to.

[@francocarlos9031]

Super soco é linda ! É a melhor de Todas

[@manuellreload]

@Jo Fe €20000 si puedes pagar bien por ti.

[@andydawson2070]

Lovely bikes but oh my, the prices.

[@RarefiedRoad]

I know, still a tad steep for me at the minute but they will come down.

[@energiewender143]

Well, you will miss the smell, the noise, and the cost for service, repairs and fuel as well.

[@shaunremekie5111]

I'm torn between the Zero S and TC Max. Zero S seems more premium, not to mention it has a bit more power/speed if the need arises. I'm not big on going too fast though as I'm not a fearless teen but a terrified adult in my 30s. The TC Max trumps the Zero for me in the charging department, I'd hate to be riding around London looking for charge points, with the TC, I can simply charge the battery in my apartment or at the office. Speed & Power (Zero S) vs Practicality & Approachability (TC Max)

[@RarefiedRoad]

Yeah there's a big price difference too. Honestly I'd try and get a test ride on them to see which one you prefer. If I was using it a lot I'd want the Zero I think, but as a simple little 30 minute commute instead of cycling the TC max will be fine.

[@thethe9036]

I’ve tried both of them, and each have their own benefits. The Zero’s back brake is operated by foot like a normal bike, whereas the TC Max break is where the clutch normally is. You don’t have to buy the fast charge option with the Zero, which means you can charge it with a three pin plug just like with the TC Max. For long-distance riding, the fast charge option is essential. The Zero is absolutely the more premium bike, and feels much nicer to ride. The batteries for both models are heavy, and I wouldn’t want to lug them around for long. If you get a chance, take a day trip to Suffolk at English Electric Motor co, and Alec will let you test any of the bikes you like for a few hours (or pay to have them brought to you). I can’t recommend this place highly enough.

[@CrissaKentavr]

The Zero X can have a removable battery (and ridden on a CBT) but battery lugging sucks. The new scooters with the airport luggage style batteries are better for that.

[@kevinkrystofiak4483]

What is the actual range you can reach on the TC max in real conditions?

[@RarefiedRoad]

There website lists it pretty well at 60 miles riding at 30mph consistently for a person weighing 75kg I'd say they're probably pretty accurate with that.

[@kevinkrystofiak1745]

@@RarefiedRoad thx!

[@topikinnunen2293]

where can i get my cbt licence 😳😳🥴💦

[@Niggleblade1986]

🤦🏾‍♂️

[@esk8jaimes]

You should review the Super Soco TC too, has a larger range but limited to 30/45mph. (50cc class)

[@quak7385]

recommend for a first bike?

[@weko6273]

The super soco and the niu, heck yes The zero, well nobody can stop you buying it as your first bike, but be fucking carefull man, I'd suggest trying a friend's moped first if you know anyone

[@Jafmanz]

@@weko6273 a moped will help a lot... NOT.

[@bennthehotdog]

@@Jafmanz yeah a moped is nowhere near best bets is to to get a test ride on a zero and customize the max speed and stuff then slowly increase it and get used to where everything is

[@Saj123]

the lambo is a gallardo not an adventodor

[@RarefiedRoad]

Thank you

[@timredfern1282]

Great video very informative 👍🇬🇧

[@Labgorilla]

The zero is the best. But the price just doesn’t work. Soco, has a much better price point but so little power that they are useless out of town. There has to be a middle ground but it seems that no one has solved that issue. So for now, I keep going on my little cbf125.

[@awwtergirl7040]

Not sure why electric "kickscooters" are blasting these electric ride on scooters. Faster to 30 and with top speeds approaching 80mph.

[@darrenrogers2067]

its not insane speed. tzr, nsr 125cc 2 stroke do 100mph and have powerbands in all gears. since 4stroke engines appeared. speed was lost.

[@motobikemadness]

Is it legal to have your L PLATE above the number plate,

[@mrmoon1482]

A 4 valve liquid cooled 125! Does over 70mph with a range of over 200 miles, Definitely can not compare the soco

[@skitzoid8202]

3:38 that's not an Aventador. That's a Gallardo

[@Raphael_Chpl]

Zero S expensive but the best

[@buttmanY]

I doubt there will be many irresponsible cbt riders dropping 9 grand on a bike.

[@RarefiedRoad]

That's true.

[@Martynuxsz]

Great video but you should have watched it yourself before posting - there are a lot of information inconsistencies.

[@RarefiedRoad]

By a lot you mean where specifically? Believe it or not I do watch them through a lot when editing but little things slip through here and there, apologies. The super soco range was given to me on the test day at around 40-50 miles from the guys running the event but we mixed the figures from the standard TC model I think, which has a smaller battery. The piece I recorded after the fact was based on the info from their site so it's manufacturers figures which will be more accurate.

[@keithreeder]

How many CBT riders are going to shell out £13k for a bike? _Grown ups._

[@RarefiedRoad]

Yeah probably not many. Pretty much all electric bikes carry a hefty price tag

[@Space_Equestrian]

Hell yeah! I've always been looking for the best cock and balls turture bikes

[@esk8jaimes]

4:18 Super Soco TC-Max

[@JB-Voices]

luckily the zero s is expensive enough that people with a cbt license probably won't have the funds to buy this bike

[@RarefiedRoad]

Fair

[@tylerbirks4957]

So does this mean a 17 year old could ride this?

[@tylerbirks4957]

The zero S

[@ataru4]

@@tylerbirks4957 Yes a 17 yr old with a CBT can ride the 11kw version Zero S. Although it would have to be a rich 17 yr old considering the price

[@matthijsvanemous7046]

zero s is best...but most expensive

[@jankiejank9857]

why are u riding on the wrong side of the road bro?

[@zerocool6452]

Because that country uses the wrong side to drive on where almost everyone else uses the right lane.

[@harrier331]

Please stop saying licence, a CBT is not a licence.

[@Jafmanz]

@No name No surname Or a full driving license...

[@johntray1462]

I'm 47 years old with three years no claims. Have cbt. No bad living area. I'm paying 23 pounds a month insurance. I've just done an insurance company site. Not a single company will touch me with zero s. Gutted

[@RarefiedRoad]

Wow that's rough.

[@Jafmanz]

I know this might be pedantic but you keep stating 'CBT license' There is no such thing. It's a provisional license. CBT is training. I know you know that too. Forgive me.

[@SR.85.]

Stop talking nonsense! It is dangerous only having 15bhp, when overtaking it takes ages. I am 35 on a cbt and have more experience than most, been riding a bike since I was 7 years old. I will be getting the 14.2kW.

[@pawelek2129]

4500£ for what? OmG.!!! Wher you work to pay 4500 for bike best for all is Honda cbf 125 and yamaha YBR125 it use 3l petrol for 100km/62miles and its going on the full tank 400km/240miles also is going 60mil/h all the time until some uphill price good 125cc is 1500£ good speed with servicing and fixing if something fail or any electrical error no garages to fix it propobly for parts you waiting month

[@CrissaKentavr]

Few garages can fix an import 125, either. But you can fix a Zero.

[@bbusigful]

Scooters are cool but...them colors are 🤢

[@CrissaKentavr]

That's the dealer's custom wrap.

[@r.blacky341]

A 125ccm is a real bike for long driving fun! E"Bikes" for very short way/time and no fun!!! 125 ccm live 20-50 years!! a "E-Bike 1-5 years!? real biker never drive "E-bike"!!!!!

[@Incaka100]

20-50 años una moto de combustión,nunca!.Las baterías se pueden degradar en 5 años el motor es casi eterno comparándolo con una moto de combustión.