Best Citrus cleaner line up

[@ForensicDetailing]

Note Forst X (concentrated 1:1) has been ordered and Car Chem citrus ordered.

[@tobywall3118]

Was about to put this on comments just used the Forst X and was really good.

[@andrewmurdoch2335]

The motor spa sell shiny garage products in the uk👍🏻

[@ForensicDetailing]

thxs andrew I bought it from them will include mate

[@leryeo]

yum citrus?

[@aidenvesey991]

Hi John, When do you think you will be doing the dirt simulator test mate. Cheers

[@PsBandofMen]

Viro-sol is used by load of decorators for cleaning waterbased paint from brushes and cleaning surfaces prior to painting. I see it says wheel cleaner too so it will be interesting to see how this compares.

[@SnakeDoctor5104]

3D Citrus Degreaser is my go to. Works excellent.

[@andrewvickers4487]

Nobody prattles on better! As a lowly amateur I'm still unclear on the benefits of a citrus cleaner vs a dedicated bug remover, or an APC. I'll listen out for more on that and looking forward to the test. Happy new year mate.

[@tafl-9198]

2:15 I was just thinking “where is the Shiny Garage Citrus TFR that is my favorite !!” 😅

[@grahamsmith9788]

I think Virosol took off as a wheel cleaner in the early to mid noughties when a certain detailer was rebranding it as a wheel cleaner (didn't mention wheels on the label back then) marking it up and selling it as "MC2". It became popular on several owners forums (Audi TT for example) but then someone realised that it was simply Virosol which you could buy directly. All of a sudden Clover were getting all these calls from car enthusiasts wanting to buy it for wheel cleaning purposes. So I guess that's why they added it to the label.

[@ForensicDetailing]

And then the detailing industry was born... 😉

[@NaturallyRapid]

How do all these compare to APC's? Iv been using surfex hd for a little while and can't see myself buying a citrus cleaner

[@charlesdouglas2877]

I've used Forst & KKD. Both are excellent. It depends on what your criteria is, VFM or cleaning ability!

[@Celticmouse]

John , it would be really good if companies give more info on ingredients in their products. I bought the Valet Pro citrus and discovered when I was diluting to use that it contains toluene. Had I know this I would have gone for some thing else . My husband has a myleoprolific neoplasm ( blood cancer) called Polycythemia Vera. Toluene are one of the chemicals that people with MPNs are told to avoid. Furniture restoration chemical products manage crystal-clear labelling , why can't detailing/ valeting/ car car?

[@ForensicDetailing]

This is handled through SDS sheets. Companies have requirement to supply them with the product if requested.

[@Celticmouse]

@@ForensicDetailing thanks for the reply , yes SDS are available but not always easy to find and it can be frustratingly difficult to find full ingredients list. I realise it has implications about things like taking up extra webspace, printing publish etc wich will impact on cost. It seems that some of the older more established brands ( especially UK and US ) have a less transparent approach . For the folks who work with these chemicals day in day out there is higher potential for long term issues.

[@SilverShamrock71]

Been using the Autofinesse for a couple of years, bloody expensive, but takes off 95% of the grime with a 5 min dwell, no agitation and a straight jet lance off, you're left wondering whether or not to bother with a contact wash. Cost is prohibitive though, I'm a weekend warrior and just work on my GTI, so it works for me (note - my car is ceramic coated)

[@AnotherYoutuber460]

Kkd citrus magic or Infinity wax would be my go too. Both Available in 5L and are dilutable up to 1:5 which is very strong, even at 1:10 they are very impressive. And both good value for money at £32 for 5L although you can get IW citrus for £25 @ trade prices.

[@AminVlogs1]

So what did you find worked best?

[@TheZolee095]

I was skeptical with some cheap brands such as Pro-Kleen, but I was pretty impressed with the value for the money you can get. Decent stuff and the prices compared to "bigger brands" are amazing.

[@gingerphil]

I'm glad the cheap Virol Sol citrus is in there as there as I've always wondered whether we're paying a detailing scene tax. 🤔 I'm also glad the Car Chem citrus will be in there as I bought 5 litres in the black Friday sale after watching one of your old videos on it. 😃

[@davidboyce6427]

Brother Jon you’re a wealth of information 👍. Of course I watch til the end. Your videos are like classroom sessions. Don’t second guess yourself 👍

[@gedroberts3957]

I’ve always been confused somewhat about Citrus washes in which you half clarified John. Where do these stand if you use a high quality APC? What is there role other than a ‘super friendly’ pre wash? Were they made just for the purpose of being wax safe?

[@ForensicDetailing]

It's the use of a solvent really. It's all about the limonene.

[@johnmccolgan2177]

Always worked on the assumption that if you spray on to a rinsed or wet car, your diluting the product further by the very nature of the car being wet. Any thought's on this Jon. Great video 👍

[@M.E63]

You are a little bit but not a lot

[@ForensicDetailing]

You are but it's more about the dirt saturation

[@DjNikGnashers]

I used Viro-sol to clean my mountain bike Jon, it's industrial strength floor cleaner. It was cheap and effective, but it did fade my anodised parts very quickly. Best used in a low concentration ! Never dare use it on my car though. Did I mention it was strong ! Great value for money though. I used it in place of that famous pink motorcycle degreaser, and it was easily as good.

[@alizulfi9965]

Powermax tfr needs to be added into the mix Jon. It's my go to for pre wash, used next to valet pro and it has always out performed. I always dilute at 10:1 in a 2l pump sprayer

[@TheDonshaz]

Seconded powermaxed

[@thomasmeggs6281]

Looking forward to this one. Been watching the channel for about nearly a year now and you have seriously transformed my car care from the supermarket car wash's to really looking after my car when I got a new one, and the value for money on products after the initial outlay including equipment in years to come I will definitely be 'winning' so thank you John. Question, have you looked at other Clover Chemicals products? I have seen the do Traffic Film Remover and also Tar & Glue Remover. Thoughts on this company? Another company I have seen recently is TENZI UK have a wide range, maybe a Brand Review video of their products? Regards and Best Wishes for Christmas.

[@ForensicDetailing]

I would avoid TFR mate. you dont need it to just care for your car. Touchless will have the same impact on roam film without risk of staining trim or leaving a white caustic film on the car. lots of TFR's are non caustic but why take the risk. cheers thomas, clover chems could be good mate not tried. avoid things like sodium hydroxide and phosphates in your pre wash.

[@nickaf5262]

I just use. Surfex hd why use citrus 🤔

[@tonipieleanu]

Do any of these citrus cleaners actually contain citrus/orange extract? I remember checking the SDS for some products a while ago and there was no trace. Perhaps you could have a second look into this.

[@Simb-l]

Would like to know opinion on using these along side something like BH touchless.

[@Dan-bs5rx]

Would you be able to release a list of your top 3 products in each category? Love watching the videos but would be nice to pull up a list I can trust when buying new products, used forst it is brilliant, interested to see how it stacks up against the others now

[@jhndijkman]

I don't truely know much about the subject but all the citrus cleaners in your neck of the woods. Ive used a good few and have pretty much found all of to be much the same.

[@AutoFinesseDetailing]

Look forward to seeing your thoughts on these.

[@teztickle]

Do you class products with Caustic Soda in safe? Valet Pro states use of it on their msds.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Depends, safe to human skin. Or automotive surfaces... Concentration is important. It's there because it helps clean but it's highly caustic.

[@markmummery8765]

This looks too confusing... Perhaps you could help me? I work for a new car dealership,my wife has just took delivery of a new car.We have applied autoglym to the car,which is no cost to me. Question,Which pre wash should I use? We have bulk autosmart which we use for service washes n used car prep but my valet bay says this leaves spots on some rubbers so I'm not using that! Help needed as my Hyundai in black looked great on delivery and want to keep it looking the same. Thanks.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Bilt Hamber touchless will serve you well mate

[@markmummery8765]

@@ForensicDetailing cheers for a simple answer..

[@shane121]

Merry Christmas 🎄 . Looking forward to some time to catch up on your videos. Could we have back to basics video on simple screen wash. Had so many poor results with expensive and cheap. Do you have a dilution ratios video to help us out? Thanks. ☃️

[@fptuning]

Eagerly watching this. I use virosol as a bike chain cleaner. It's the most evil stuff and dissolves powder coatings and garage epoxy floor paints if left neat for any period of time. It's a glove up one no doubt. Not at all concerning the data sheet says it cleans up "blood" 🤣

[@fptuning]

I have every faith virosol will annihilate your dirt simulator. Having used it for many years I honestly wouldn't feel comfortable going anywhere near my car with it unless it was heavily diluted down

[@jameslacey01]

Any update when the full test video will be released Jon?

[@stenb7625]

Do you need a citrus cleaner if you got Surfex HD?

[@callumchurch3219]

Citrus prewash is the best thing for a ceramic coated car brings the zing straight back

[@saglike93]

Is it worth using a citrus in addition to say, touchless?

[@saglike93]

To clarify, as an extra foam step in winter

[@ForensicDetailing]

generally speaking no

[@BlackFlag94]

Still no Alien Magic! What's going on, Jon?! Alien Magic Pure Magic is a fantastic and versatile Citrus pre wash which acts as an excellent degreaser when cleaning up nuts and bolts when working on your car.

[@sixtysecondsofstephens2386]

Is citrus safe on bare aluminium ? Thinking of possibly using it on my motorbike if it is.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Depends what's in it. Some use caustic compents like naoh

[@sixtysecondsofstephens2386]

@@ForensicDetailing thanks for the info John, I better ask autobrite to see if it's safe.

[@altypeRR]

The reason the label is so good on the Först label is so good is because they are yet another “brand” who use others to brew it for them. It’s clear to see it is just a dodo juice formula. Question is though why no dodo juice own product?

[@dantemartini2345]

The only channel I watch

[@sixtysecondsofstephens2386]

Looking forward to seeing this. You would of thought citrus would be all roughly the same regarding what materials I can be used on. Yet some are not ok for alloy and some are.

[@foolsgold39]

I've used auto finesse citrus and the valet pro citrus both work really good at removing the worst road dirt. But I'm convinced it bleaches / fades black unpainted plastic trim so stopped using the stuff! Anyone else found this?🤔

[@Ashley-dy7bx]

I really like the bilt hamber citrus cleaner 👌

[@twofast7863]

Great Vid , Merry Christmas!

[@mclarenformula5042]

With any pre wash or tfr, I always blast the car (power wash) first then by the time I've grabbed other stuff it's fairly dry or in winter do wheels before citrus pre wash or tfr (obviously let dwell not dry and blast off then contact wash )

[@E92M3Guy]

I'm using G Technic W5 , for wheels and arches, very good, just getting a bit expensive ,so a switch to autobrite might be next. On a side note I had no idea starnagloss was manufactured by dodo juice, I always like to know who the contract manufacturers are for all these obscure boutique detailing brands are. 👍👍

[@jonnybravo3055]

It only seemed about 10 mins 😂. My house is now full of smoke as I've burnt my chicken. I'm upset you took us down a path with know conclusion 😂

[@fasalwalayat1052]

Yes please add Car Chem in as it's a good value one I tend to get in sales.

[@theflash4956]

A general question on citrus pre-washes. Are they really needed? I had one from Sansom (Primus), but really struggled to see if it worked or not, as the jet wash seems to clean the car really well. Then I use a shampoo wash (Adams Shampoo). I now have Bilt Hamber Auto Foam, and saw Jon's latest video using it. My car is silver, and has about the same amount of winter dirt on it, as in that video. The results are impressive. My process is now, Autofoam, jet wash, then shampoo wash, then jet wash, dry with drying towels. A detailer (Sansom's Boosted) and Sansom's Hydra (hydrophobic protection). Job done, quick and I get the results I want. I believe, we all need to decide, what works best, what we want and what time we want to spend. Just interested to hear other views/opinions, as I believe we have too many products, and am not convinced we need that many, as well as having too many companies fighting for our business.

[@ForensicDetailing]

You could argue yes or no really

[@rayhunter4710]

That viro sol can burn the hands off you if not used properly, we used to use it in my workplace as a degreaser and people used it without gloves and got the hands burnt off them

[@PPadz]

When are the results out?

[@ForensicDetailing]

Gonna be a while m8

[@PPadz]

@@ForensicDetailing dying to see the results of Virosol, keep eyeing a bottle up 😂

[@BhekiBear]

Hello Mr. John I am just your average guy who somehow finds more joy out of watching car washing videos than most other things. I a skoda rapid which is in fairly good condition and I wash it often enough... I don't have a polishing machine but have a whole bottle of Autoglym SRP.. Can I get away with a good wash, chemical decontamination, clay with BH soft clay and SRP applied by hand or will it have to be a machine polish? Once again, thanks for making an awesome channel and wonderful content.. Have a good New Year 🇩🇰😊

[@benhook1850]

Personally I’d never buy a RTU citrus cleaner or APC, it’s just too expensive.

[@tobywall3118]

Heard good things about Yumcars Citrus

[@Moh4n95]

Jon why is there no Heavy-Duty CITRUS from bilt hamber in this line up 5ltr jerrycan £15.79 ?

[@ForensicDetailing]

That's a hand cleaner

[@AlabamaTree]

John, you are the best channel I’ve found this year (2022) I wish I’d found you before ❤️ In this review, where does Koch Chemie - Orange Power fit in? Have a great Christmas….. All the best for 2023 ❤️

[@ForensicDetailing]

The Koch orange is more a tsr and glue remover I think m8

[@AlabamaTree]

@@ForensicDetailingyeah it is, I’ve had another look since your reply 👍🏽

[@F1CJEUK]

I have a few of those products on my wish list but never placed the order. I tend to go with 5l so your videos save me from long term disappointment 👍 if I pick an ineffective product (or use it incorrectly)

[@B1ueStryk3r]

looking forward to this

[@sxixlxnx]

That infinity wax pre wash is insane if you do a heavier mix.

[@sebster6031]

I never understood the need for citrus cleaner. Just use your fav apc (Surfex HD) at a 10/1 ratio before pre rinsing. Save money.

[@ForensicDetailing]

APC works through emulsification mainly (good APC anyway minus the caustic stuff). Citrus have the ability to work through disolving grease and grime etc with d-limonene. some citrus can be 200-1 and 10 pounds for 5 litres, so its not the cost factor that makes you only use APC. But yes lots feel like you Im not disagreeing because I think you can do without citrus if you want.

[@SilverTrill]

I've ordered hundreds of pounds worth of things from in2detailing and never got sweets or air freshener 😒

[@TheRhodes76]

Great video as always 😀

[@andyellershaw1500]

John. Didn’t have time to watch the whole vid. Are you going to do tests on these products?

[@ForensicDetailing]

Yes

[@iansabin7141]

Do we know when the test is planned for

[@ForensicDetailing]

jan mate still waiting for products to turn up

[@thegrimreaper7777]

So the final test needs to be take the best one (winner at specified dilution ratio) then adjust the dilution ratio of all the others until they match the winner and give that info out to see if another product is cheaper at a matching level of cleaning.

[@ForensicDetailing]

I think ill do a degreasing test at 5% pir for all of them. And then a degreasing test at recomended usage. So relative horsepower and real world horse power. Cost comparison, concentration comparison, quality of instructions and health and safety, versatility, horsepower, and perhaps then a test to see if they do anything bad to poly carb or corrosive to metal. something like this.

[@thegrimreaper7777]

@@ForensicDetailing I have certainly had a product leach the colour out of anodised aluminium in the past, so they can be problematical. The one that comes to mind was Muc Off which was ironic in that it was meant for use on Motorbikes and it was an anodised clock surround that suffered.

[@simongibbs3936]

Anodised surfaces are easily damaged/broken down by high ph cleaners like Sodium Hydroxide.

[@DjbiggieD666]

Are these products safe on soft tops ?

[@ForensicDetailing]

not all of them. And generally this is a great question because the products dont tell you. for example some say painted car surfaces only. The virosol I think isnt suitable. But then the KKD one will kill off mould which would be usefull for soft tops. So I cant answer this question beyond generally yes but be carefull, test first and use lower concentration and rinse well.

[@DjbiggieD666]

Also with them saying to pressure wash off

[@michaelbaker9590]

.Hi John have you tried Mile Deep release ? I like the fact there range isnt harmful to aquatic life which is a concern of mine . Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

[@Nade375]

The more Angel wax products I try the more they find their way into my go top products!

[@kwl189]

I’m plopping for Bilt Hamber Surfex HD if it’s in the test. Not a classic identified Citrus cleaner but you can use it like one. It’ll destroy bug marks off your motor and is very economical to use. I’ve put a layer of Surfex HD down on the lower end of my motors and then foamed auto foam on top and it’s destroyed an entire winters worth road traffic film, grime, mud and dirt. You can’t beat it I’m confident!

[@AnotherYoutuber460]

Surfex is classed as more of a degreaser / apc. Can be used as a pre wash perfectly fine but will probably degrade LSP abit a tad quicker. Can’t go wrong surfex though if you don’t want to buy a citrus cleaner.

[@kwl189]

@@AnotherKZbinr460 True I agree. It does fall under the category of degreaser/APC but in terms of use case, is there any difference between the two? Surfex HD at 5% is LSP safe and even John has tested it on his panels and it won’t degrade LSP. Agreed. Can’t go wrong with Surfex HD. It is so versatile, it can replace several products because it is so good at what it does when it comes down to it.

[@AnotherYoutuber460]

@@kwl189 don’t think surfex hd has the same or any of the anti mould properties which makes citrus very good on cab tops / mould. That would be the only reason I would go with a citrus based cleaner.

[@kwl189]

@@AnotherKZbinr460 it’s not anti mould but does have corrosion inhibitors. I’ve always had good results from it. Maybe down the line I’ll get some citrus cleaner just to try it but in use case, there’s not much difference between the two but Surfex can be used on interiors which Citrus cleaners aren’t good to use. Surfex does a good job on carpets.

[@MarcO-mf3rw]

I’ve been using Wax Planet Road Kill for a few years and really like it. Never had any issues in glass or plastics. It’s good value for money when used at 1-10 and is pretty potent at that dilution. It’s only really used on the front of the car, Surfex HD on the rest of it and then snow foamed over. I’m really interested to see the results of this comparison.

[@georgina_gsm]

So pumped for this shootout

[@davidboyce6427]

Jon doesn’t 3D make a Citrus Degreaser?

[@jackmccarthy9117]

Have you used stjarnagloss’s products?

[@ForensicDetailing]

Only a couple m8 but seems very cool brand

[@SomeMadRandomPerson]

What about the Mile Deep Refresh and Alien Magic Cirrus Power

[@georgehibbert392]

When’s this review coming ?

[@ForensicDetailing]

no planned date yet mate its on the hit list about 4th from the top.

[@cameronstevenson5894]

AD citrus is good but then again could it be the same formula as car chem citrus but under a different name

[@bodgebodge1012]

hi jon, will they beat good old bh surfex hd ???????

[@ForensicDetailing]

i dont know mate, the key difference is the limonene

[@joemurphy4489]

Autoglym’s Professional Multiwash TFR 5ltr = €24.00 | Suitable for indoor use as well | Panel 1:32 | Interior 1 :7 | Wheel + Engine 1:4 | SODIUM LAURYL ETHER SULPHATE + DISODIUM METASILICATE

[@ForensicDetailing]

i want citrus in this one mate.

[@jonathonwatson9800]

KKD citrus magic is good stuff 20:1 I find is the sweet spot.

[@01123581321341]

Looking forward to this for sure. I rate Release from MileDeep but the InfinityWax one is also great value and powerful. KKD spelt ‘degreasing’ wrong - oops😅

[@randomd6r]

They can't spell "crystal" or "clean" either!

[@01123581321341]

@@randomd6r try the TAC systems labels - some of them are hilarious “store upright or it might lick out” 🤣

[@Mas-lx5nc]

Has anyone tried using a citrus wash mixed with really hot water in a pump sprayer? Just wondering if this would make it more effective as no one washes up dishes with cold water!

[@jezlucas3878]

Warm water definitely helps

[@kevinb7058]

Infinity wax for the win 💯

[@andrewmessias2295]

Didn’t realise that bilt hamber do a citrus pre wash, surprised that it wasn’t in the line up

[@ForensicDetailing]

its a hand cleaner i think

[@andrewmessias677]

Sorry matey had a blonde moment so it is was getting all excited that BH had released a cirtus pre wash 😊

[@dannywinfield324]

No gtechniq citrus apc, Jon?

[@ForensicDetailing]

no I went with patreon feedback on this have to limit it really so some good ones always get left

[@M.E63]

Auto finnese is RTU and works out expensive in the long run

[@jonnybravo3055]

How long before part 2 ?😔

[@ForensicDetailing]

Gonna be a while to test them m8. 4 to 6vweek I think at keast

[@sammccarthy95]

Sam's detailing citrus pre wash

[@johnnybone1972]

I've used a few and yumcars is by far the best.

[@Tom_RR]

Can get Shiny Garage via the Motor Spa now Jon.

[@23dothedew]

I picked up a bottle of Forst on Black Friday because I’ve seen some others put out videos where it worked well. I’m excited to give it a try when the weather warms up.

[@teemu3370]

We need Bilt Hamber citrus!

[@andrewmurdoch2335]

It’s strange how citrus pre wash is mostly a uk thing. Autoglanz do give some ridiculous dilution instructions 👍🏻

[@johnp6987]

I’ve seen another KZbinr use Forst in its straight out the bottle application and she doesn’t normally rinse the car off first. A regular snow foam application over the top to extend the dwell time and help with the cleaning properties

[@MrReacuto]

Leraton G4 is very nice citrus cleaner. Powerful. But available only in 🇷🇺

[@AndreasSchwarzinger]

Might be interesting to include one or two APCs which the manufacturer says can also be used as a prewash, such as eyg. Koch Chemie Greenstar, Sonax Multistar. Also, a very popular product in central Europe would be Shiny Garage Prewash Citrus Oil.

[@ForensicDetailing]

the only seller of 1000ml shiny garage is out of stock. I wanted that one in :(

[@AndreasSchwarzinger]

@@ForensicDetailing Shall I send you one?

[@ForensicDetailing]

@@AndreasSchwarzinger ​ thanks for offer Andreas but its needs to be reliably available. Im keeping an eye on the website that sells it here I hope it comes back in stock and I can squeeze it in.

[@PixelVogue]

I know which one will win....whichever Jon can dilute 1:11001010101 LOL 🤣

[@davidboyce6427]

Jon I see some products give away on the citrus cleaners. I’m your biggest from Dumb Dumb😆

[@JayTownsend1]

You are missing Gtechniq products

[@SUPERSID1968]

No h d d road rage Jon 🤔🤔

[@ForensicDetailing]

citrus mate

[@SUPERSID1968]

👍

[@OraEtLabora0]

1:14 normal strength only...

[@rogertoddmilstead2120]

You have to try Citrol.......

[@ForensicDetailing]

solvent based though isnt it? hard to get the water based one in the UK

[@andhen12]

Stjarnagloss först means first, as in you use that first🙂

[@Beto_proanimals]

Ez car care