Best CRT for Retro Gaming: Sony KV-36FV310

[@Scarflix]

Hey all! The song I used at the end of the video is Stefan Zauner's "Mr. Loveday's Evening Store"! You ALL ROCK!!! 📺📺📺

[@chrisbullock6477]

The closest we ever got was plasma. Aka pre oled

[@crteaser9726]

Have you calibrated your crt your colors look kinda washed out but may just be the lighting

[@dangr3957]

Congrats for the telly! But by the way on composite many games looks better because of the dithering! Check waterfall in Sonic!

[@dangr3957]

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[@crteaser9726]

@@dangr3957 not to say rgb is the only way to go but most people who want this tv want their games to looks better than it did back in the day composite on a crt is definitely better than hooking directly to flat screens but if you have the option i think color correctness and fidelity in rgb (so i high res textures arent as blurred on n64 and other 90s consoles) is way more important than seeing the transparent water falls or other transparency effects on genesis most games are playable without the transparencies but i also have a genesis on composite for that reason on a separate crt

[@RaphaelCavallero88]

Our parents used to say that video games would damage CRT TVs. 30 years later and video games are actually keeping CRT TVs alive.

[@ةرويميبمبممبم]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@ةرويميبمبممبم]

Me too and im a Middle Eastern this shows that this was a global thing

[@apenastorugo]

@@ةرويميبمبممبم me too, and i'm brazillian xD

[@ray_sattler]

It could burn-in when you left the pause screen on for to long^^

[@jesss7858]

Lol

[@jakesteel2423]

I would love to see Sony bring back the Trinitron or bvm line for retro gaming.

[@Scarflix]

Fkn same!

[@alexvids9232]

I wish. Jeeez

[@keychain___8836]

It would be extremely unprofitable as retro tv’s are still around, and the tv’s would only cater to a market of specifically 30-40 year old men unlike younger generations have less time to play games, and would rather buy a dongle to put retro games on flatscreens

[@richbiles230872]

@@rap6439 less than 20 games?

[@agamaz5650]

WHY WONT SONY MAKE A NEW CRT?

[@TakumiJoyconBoyz]

As someone poor enough to not have owned a composite compatible TV until nearly adulthood, it was NOT the worst option and was a major step up from what I was using, coax.

[@Scarflix]

Oh wow!

[@justinrieger3133]

When i worked in the moving business we used to call them “Trini-TONs” cause of how much they weigh. Only smaller screen tv we needed 2 people to carry

[@razorkill8522]

Because quality is heavy

[@MrBurgerphone1014]

I've got a 30" Toshiba CRT and it weight like 130lbs.

[@docgonzo1973]

When I worked for a tv repair shop. We only worked on Sony TVs. I remember replacing a 40" CRT on a Sony under warranty because the 40" were plagued with defects in the glass and would have tiny bubbles in the glass. When the new CRT came in. The shipping weight was 300lbs and took 4 of us to install the new CRT.

[@Blind0062]

@@docgonzo1973 4 people for something that only weighs 300lbs?

[@ot4kon]

@jackthegamer this tv weights 80kg or about 176lb it was a pain in the ass to move it.

[@MeowStationOrignal]

I was born in 1996 so I was really happy to be apart of the tail end of the crt era. My family kept our 24 inch crt tv in the living room until 2011 feels like yesterday we got the new flatscreen.

[@gfdchugh]

I was born in 97 and we used crt till 2014 cuz we were poor xD I used to hit it at the back just cuz it wants to die until it had a hole at the back of it were I hid my money xD

[@ethanwasme4307]

same... such a unique position and vantage point 😅

[@raidthanfl]

Thats pretty awesome. I was born in 82. We had a small black and white antenna tv in the kitchen. And our zenith in the living room. The zenith lasted over 20 yrs

[@hecanseeme8210]

My friend had one of these. I helped him move it twice and then told him I’d never move it again. It is the heaviest tv I’ve ever seen. I’d rather move a piano, at least you can get a hold of it. It is a great tv but be aware you may need to hire a team of oxen and enlist an Amish barn raising party if you ever want to rearrange your room decor!

[@MultiMarvelGeek]

I have a KV-36XBR800. It weighs 15 more lbs than this. Took my two beefy friends and I 90 minutes to get it up 18 stair steps.

[@slenderfoxx3797]

Oh trust me been there. Not only is it heavy but you're paranoid the whole time that you'll drop it and break it (and your hand or floor or whatever else the TV will take down with it lmao)

[@jamesmurray4312]

I had the 27 inch version and it was one of the greatest TV's Ive ever owned

[@bigpoe3379]

Me too. I attached my PS2, N64, and my Wii and it is just fantastic :D

[@nathanc6516]

I think yours is better than the 36 inch to be honest.

[@code.liplox]

@@nathanc6516 why?

[@nathanc6516]

@@code.liplox The pixels start getting too large for my tastes at 36 inches plus it weighs like 150 lbs more than the 27 inch. You can sit closer to the 27 inch and have a better experience, in my opinion.

[@code.liplox]

@@nathanc6516 Well, I dont think the weight is a big deal, since the TV is installed. Im asking which one has the best image for you. What distance from the 27' you recommend?

[@SuperSkandale]

CRT monitors are like my long lost love. I love them and keep coming back to them every now and then and just can't let myself forget how beautiful they are. I just hope they will come back to me in a new and revived form before i'm too old to appreciate them any more.

[@Microwave414]

CRTs are the best way to play retro games hands down, perfect blacks and no input lag and just the right amount of softness to where the image even on component video doesn't look overly sharp. However there are some shaders on retroarch that when combined with an oled comes really close to mimicking the look. CRT Royale comes to mind as that doesn't mimic a PVM but a real honest to god consumer grade trinitron TV with scanlines and low count TV lines also which are the vertical lines that makes each "pixel" look separated from the next one over if you get up close to the screen. Heck it even mimics the glow effect of CRTs though, on an oled that's slightly redundant since oleds have that same exact glow effect also over bright sprites also. I'm not going to be throwing out my CRT anytime soon but its good to see the look preserved.

[@Scarflix]

I'm gonna check out CRT Royale today

[@charvelgtrs]

LCD monitors are down to 9ms measured from the middle of the screen which is only 1ms worse than a standard CRT. Nobody is gonna feel a difference of 1ms.

[@Microwave414]

@@charvelgtrs To me lag is not the issue, what is the issue and I've seen it even on gaming monitors is blurring when things are moving fast, also black levels are something LCDs can never, ever get exactly like CRTs or oleds. Even FAL screens still have light bleed plus costs 3k to get something you can somewhat compare to an oled. On the flip side LCDs don't have to worry about burn-in which honestly is a legitimate trade-off between the 3 display types so there are real reasons to still use an LCD.

[@charvelgtrs]

@@Microwave414 OLEDs have no motion blur and perfect blacks. Burn in really isn't a problem unless you don't vary your content. I've heavily games on my 2006 Plasma and it still doesn't have any burn in.

[@Microwave414]

​@@charvelgtrs I've seen motion blur on my oled when playing sonic 2 or sonic CD and going at top speeds through an act so I'm pretty sure it still very much exists however, I am also running on a late 2015 model OLED so that might explain it. Also its barely noticeable and you really do have to go looking for it while on LCDs it's hard not to see the motion blur, especially in 2d games. Lastly yeah with burn-in I don't really think about it, most people I've seen complaining about burn-in either had a faulty screen from the factory or had news and/or sports running on their screen almost all day long. You really have to work hard and/or be really stupid to ruin an oled.

[@thejeffchen]

I got a 36FV300 last year and modified it to add a RGB SCART connection. I proudly call it my best project of 2019, and this baby is getting on really well with my army of retro consoles. 240p sweetness forever!

[@kirbo-db6mw]

Doesn't it have component though?, Why waste your time if it has component

[@michaelf1303]

​@kirbo8076 Technically "component video" is a different signal. RGB via SCART is a similar but different signal compared to YpBpR component that we have in North America. This mod would make it easier to use RGB consoles without the option for component output. I'm guessing at least

[@RealTDragon]

CRT vigilante has appeared!

[@Scarflix]

He's my favorite boi.

[@zizarami3270]

@@ScarflixHi ! this TV is better than the Bang and O crts or equivalent ?

[@DrKeez]

Something of note to add, the FV310 models had Sony's PVM circuitry added along with the same voltage regulator used in their high-end PVM's to address bloom from bright scenes. One of several reasons it is a unicorn to retrogamers.

[@ChristopherAndersonPirate]

What about the 210 models? I found a KV-32FS210 and it looks great

[@Ineedagoodscreenname]

I think I broke my knee when I got my FV310 as it was a one man job and then I did it again when I got a XBR960. The contrast and color of these old tvs are just something you have to witness in person and anime's are crazy with the color they put out. I use a hdmi to component box to use my laptop, but I think it's limited to 480i.

[@Scarflix]

480i is cool, I'm drinking that 480i kool-aid. What converter are you using? I'm looking for one right now but afraid of lag and stuff.

[@10000viewer]

what resolution is the output from your laptop and what resolution does your crt receive it and process it at?

[@coreysmith4111]

Holy shit I still have this tv plus the stand for it. Had it for several years. I love it

[@pt8333]

Corey Smith Hey my friend, long time no see. Pls send TV. You’re the best

[@dorianplayerone]

heyyyy,,,,, how much???

[@Red05x]

Resident Evil CODE: Veronica X is by FAR the most beautiful Game i own to watch on my CRT. Well, 3D Game, at least. 2D is CAPCOM vs SNK 2.

[@Scarflix]

AGREED!!

[@krinkov39]

For a short period they made the 1080i trinitrons with a DVI connector on the back. Using a HDMI to DVI cable/connector you can display modern systems at 720p/1080i and it doesn't have the input lag. It's what I use to game with my mini retro consoles.

[@Japheigod]

How are you getting audio?

[@christianumk3plus777]

I have a kv-29fv300 moddified with rgb input and the image displayed is soooo beautiful, even better than my 25 inches wells gardner arcade monitor, i'm really amazed with the results.

[@unrealdevon]

The fact that you can actually get these tvs around your area is a freaking privilege. I can't get anything where i live and i would literally kill to get a Sony set like this.

[@RenegadeX28]

One of my friends had this TV in his room during the XBOX/PS2/GCN era. He was the only one of my friends that had access to COMPONENT inputs, so seeing all progressive scan/480p capable games playing on this TV was glorious. Also, running those retro games were amazing on a CRT like this one. I really....really miss the non input lag days of playing retro games.

[@ManOfAttitudeLP1998]

Is this an ED TV which goes from 240 to 480i and also 480p?

[@MultiMarvelGeek]

@@ManOfAttitudeLP1998 No, it's just standard definition.

[@turkeyboyjh1]

Kids will never know how good we had it stuff was lightning fast as far as input lag went, and the gentle glow, no hard lines just like really like what the image is too crisp it looks fake when you look at a crt it’s like you’re looking through a window at real life especially large ones from a distance

[@7kurgand]

Would like to say Scarflix.....really enjoy watching this video. So much love and heart went into this. I feel it. This is going to be my go to video to show to my friends so they can get a good understanding on crt tv, vg cables, and tv lag. And you said having SD 480i crt tv with component inputs is very good option. Recently try it on orginal xbox and it looks nices. Yes most games can run in 480p but its about having choices you know.

[@Scarflix]

Thank you so much 7kurgand. I did in fact put about four or five days into making this video. I became such a CRT nerd very recently and I'm glad I was able to portray the passion!!

[@pabloxd1239]

he is wrong in some things he said...

[@patsfan4life]

I remember that 16x9 enhanced mode- so cool ! You could actually hear the electron gun realign itself when you switched to this mode

[@dorianplayerone]

i didnt know that

[@c0rpse1]

if you are really into CRTs keep an eye out for a nice old PC crt. can still find them. I recommend anything with a 110khz or higher horizontal scan rate. Some people complain about Samsungs but I had one that looked ok. You will also need a graphics card with analogue out(newest cards with this are 900 series), possibly a dvi analogue to vga converter (small piece that makes it so you can use a vga cable instead of dvi cable), and possibly a VGA gender changer(if the pc crt has a cord on hard wired). You can have a lot of fun getting high refresh rates out of them + all the positive crt traits you listed in the video. I know you mainly want to game on that 36 inches though lmao.

[@Scarflix]

a PC CRT is high on my list of things to track down. I'm keeping my eye on local craigslists for them. You're right though, it would be so0o0o0o0o0o sick to game on the 36" 😂

[@FrothingFanboy]

High-end CRT PC monitors are becoming pretty hard to find. I had to have one shipped from Florida to Canada - the casing got damaged in shipping, but it still worked. However, due to misuse (rapidly switching resolutions in a vain attempt to get it to work with an overly modern video card), the flyback eventually started arcing (and high-end flybacks are virtually impossible to find). I had to get another monitor shipped from ENGLAND, but this time it didn't survive shipping - the mainboard was weak from years of heat exposure (CRTs can legit warm a room) and cracked. My last hope is to swap the flyback from the latter into the former. Note that this is only possible because both tubes (and hence the flybacks) are EXACTLY the same model. This isn't for the faint of heart, because CRTs store dangerous levels of voltage. I sent away for specially rated gloves to handle the innards and discharge the voltage.

[@anhdn3132]

I lost out on two opportunities of get 2 KV-32FV310's on separate occasions because I couldn't take off work or get someone to help lift it. 32" is a beast it is 170+lbs; finally got one today and I felt like I won powerball in terms of retro gaming, I have no feeling in my forearms and my neck is stiff but was it worth it ...YES!

[@jimjones5394]

in 2008 my room mate had an XBox 360 and we played it on a CRT. I didn't even know anything about HD, I never thought the picture looked bad.

[@RetroTechUSA]

I just saw myself in the beginning of this video. 😅

[@Scarflix]

What's up Retro Tech!!!

[@forzafan6924]

Do you do rgb mods for hire?

[@brandonmiller5104]

I picked up a 32" Trinitron XBR from my local buy, sell and trade on FB. Very happy with it.

[@Scarflix]

Nice! 480p > 1080p 🤣

[@saintric8007]

The MGS style phone call reenactment with the dude from offerup had me laughing hard

[@enriquerivas8578]

Best way to watch dvds, CRTs are a dream

[@MightyistheRCGamer]

Sony trinitron for LIFE

[@Scarflix]

For MF'n LIFE

[@ArcadeOne]

“Filling your entire house with them”.... indeed.

[@Scarflix]

This guy knows!!!

[@ponysoftonline4533]

yep. I've gone from 1 to 40 something and trying to get back into the 20s

[@Beltzer0072]

He's not wrong. My house now has three and my CRT monitor for PC gaming is on it's way.

[@chelseaelyn9477]

There’s something about this video that puts a smile on my face. Awesome work bro!

[@araujofi]

your channel is of the highest quality, good luck from Brazil!

[@Scarflix]

Thank you Filipe!!!

[@panikk2]

The day you put this video out I had just come home with a 36fv310 and it was broken lol. Bad caps (you can see the wave on my channel). Hopefully it'll be a successful restore this weekend.

[@DhinCardoso]

Dude! Did you did it? Did you managed to fix it? Pliz say YES

[@panikk2]

@@DhinCardoso i JUST did today!!!

[@bobdole3157]

Holy crap. Were you nervous? I heard you can die if you don’t know what you’re doing.

[@DGP406]

Ah, MGS3. I remember playing it on a 14'' Sony CRT back then.

[@godfreake]

HD CRT tvs still produce lag so certainly not the best crt for retro gaming it's still better then playing on a hd LCD

[@gmwithrow]

The FV310 isn't an HDCRT. I don't believe it's "the best".. but it's definitely up there.

[@franklinprichard9151]

True, many games were designed to be played on a curved CRT and will look warped on this tv

[@nexxusty]

@@franklinprichard9151 Lol. No.

[@bulletz4life]

@@franklinprichard9151 thats not true at all, any warping issues is directly correlated to geometry and convergence issues of the CRT itself, which can be corrected with proper alignment and lots of tinkering with the service menu.

[@robertasm20]

@@gmwithrow But is still "DIGITAL CRT" and this is the same shit as HD CRT, but cheaper, without HDMI and without support for higher resolution (so you couldn't even play GameCube and XBox games in 480p). But most retrogamers are morons and doesn't notice. For every person who commend this shit for retrogaming I suggest playing on emulator. Seriously, if you are not concerned about lag, much higher than even modern LCD could produce, you should simply play on emulator with some nice "CRT" shader.

[@GamingWithDrew]

Great video. Great humor and timing, and informative in my quest for a great CRT. Subscribed.

[@Scarflix]

Thank you, Drew!

[@karld4737]

It's considered the best consumer crt as long as you don't mind a warped image. It's ok for 3d games but its a noticable issue with 2d games. Also, component isn't RGB but it looks just about as good.

[@Scarflix]

I think I noticed what you're talking about when it comes to 2D games

[@karld4737]

@@Scarflix yea it can be annoying but the quality of the image is so good that it's worth overlooking. Another great consumer set is the Sony trinitron 32xbr48. It's a curved screen model so it tends to correct this warping issue but it's not quite as sharp being that it's a little bit of an older model (1999ish). As far as anyone can find it's the only curved trinitron that also has component inputs.

[@broshiigames8083]

Congrats on the offer-up sponsorship!

[@Scarflix]

🤣

[@Gamevet]

I was thinking this was a Sony Hi-Scan XBR display at 1st. I have a 32" Sony KV-32HS420 that supports 1080i/720p/480p/481. The original Xbox and Gamecube look fantastic on it with component video, as well as my Saturn and Genesis.

[@RazorEdgeBullie]

No scanlines though, plus input lag. Best to get an sd crt for Saturn and Genesis.

[@Gamevet]

@@RazorEdgeBullie I've had no issues with lag. Hell, I've used it play Guitar Hero, Parrappa the Rappa and the like and never experienced lag.

[@RazorEdgeBullie]

@@Gamevet some people are just less perceptive about lag than others. Especially if you're used to the display. I used to play those same games on a 65" LCD and never thought about lag until I tried an SD CRT. I'm sure if you tried one as well you wouldn't think so highly of your HD CRT. Plus, how do you live without scanlines on a crt? It's heresy.

[@Gamevet]

@@RazorEdgeBullie I have a 27" Sony Wega SD CRT sitting right next to it. There is no percievable lag with this CRT running 480p or 480i content. When I do the caliibration for Guitar Hero 2 (480p) it barely registers a 1 ms adjustment. I can put my controller right in front of the screen and press the button and see the flippers move in Last Gladiators, literally as fast as I'm pressing the button. This isn't an LCD.

[@RazorEdgeBullie]

@@Gamevet how is it with 240p content?

[@audiogear474]

I know there's input lag but love my Sony HD CRT for HDMI based game consoles. Properly calibrated they also look great.

[@Scarflix]

I've heard there might be something you can trim up in the service menu of that to try and mitigate the latency on the HD CRT's, but idk, there's so much information out there about CRTs I get lost. I personally would love an HDCRT just for the Blu-rays!

[@audiogear474]

@@Scarflix "theres so much info out there about crts I get lost"-so true. I know just enough to get by. I worked at a TV repair shop for years but I was the VCR tech and didn't really learn much of the TV side of it.

[@weab]

I've found that latency on my Sony WEGA only presents itself when using the HDMI port or while using a resolution lower than 480i over component cables. My theory is that the latency stems from the internal digital scaler. Running a supported native resolution like 480i, 480p or 720p via component seems to work without introducing any latency.

[@theallknowingsause8940]

No joke, I just got that same tv only 1 month ago for free! it's the smaller 27 inch version but it's in the same model range :D

[@Scarflix]

How's it treating you?

[@revupofficial]

Wow

[@arashjahn]

Shout out to the Jean Michel Jarre vinyl in the background. I got my copy too.

[@NemesisApoc]

I've become a CRT hoarder of the last few years and my 2 favorite Goodwill finds are the Sony Trinitron KV-36FS12, which is similar but a little older than the TV in the video, and the JVC AVA-34WP84 widescreen CRT.

[@thelatenightattempts]

I drove 2 hours to pick up the 27 inch model that someone was giving away. Unfortunately it had years of use and the colors were all blown out. Bummer but I still have KV-20FV300 that is sharp as hell. Love these late model Sonys.

[@Scarflix]

Damn what a bummer! You think they'd have told you before you drove all the way there!

[@youtubeadmin1588]

Benjamin Foster I just got a 36” Sony wega Trinitron, I can't tell if the colors are fucked up or not. My Sega Genesis looks pretty good, just issues you'd expect with RF. But my 360 looks HORRIBLE. I cannot understand, the colors are faded on 360 but not Genesis 🤷‍♀️ Could be the off brand A-Video cable I'm using, going to find component cables hopefully that fixes it.

[@richbiles230872]

@@youtubeadmin1588 did component cables fix the problem?

[@huynhngocnamgiang]

LOL your video is so good I was shocked to find out this channel only has nearly 10k subscribers. It deserves millions!

[@AncientElectronics]

I found my KV-xxFV310 for free on Craigslist. Mine is the 20 some inch model and moving it made me want to die, I can't imagine the weight of the 36 inch.

[@Scarflix]

Mate it's like almost 300 pounds! I have to ring a friend up each time I wanna move it!

[@scerms]

@@Scarflix... its "only" 224lbs for this TV ;)

[@abelardoquistian3120]

Why there are no more video’s?

[@zenitpro]

Amazing! Back in the early 2000's, I had a PS2 (which I still have AND play) hooked up to an LG Flatron 21' TV, and I gotta tell you, it was glorious to say the least. It came with all the inputs of your TV, but in fewer number, and I remember being astounded by its picture quality. Watching DVDs on it through the component cables was simply sick! It was just amazing. I wish I could find one in great shape so I could purchase it and be a very happy retrogaming freak!

[@bamf6603]

Do you remember the model name?

[@zenitpro]

@@bamf6603 It was an LG Flatron RP-21FB32

[@Tuppoo94]

I bought a CRT for 50EUR just to play retro games without input lag. It works pretty much perfectly, however it can't show 480P pictures. On the plus side, since I live in PAL dominated Europe, it can take an RGB signal over SCART, which also works in 60HZ mode that some games support. Very few PAL games support 480P anyway, so I'm not bothered.

[@kennynunez6792]

Great vid! Its interesting to me with all the renaissance movement for retro gaming, consoles, etc; that there is NO-ONE making a modern version of the CRT. I understand that the process maybe expensive but I believe that anyone that can fill this niche would make a killing. Many enthusiast would not buy one but several; hopefully this can happen.

[@kennysa3586]

you hit the jackpot. that fv310 has excellent geometry

[@Gm-pe4te]

Get your backend back on KZbin! I guess you really dived into retro gaming after this since you dissapeared 😂 Awesome video man! You got all the skills to be a huge channel. With curiosity I looked how man 100's of thousands of subscribers you have and I was shocked to see that you're under 10k. Hope you get back to it some day! Subscribed anyways 😉 I'm on a hunt for a good CRT retro gaming TV...Love the way Sony Tv's look but unfortunately here in UK there's not so much of Crt tv's left. Hunt is on regardless

[@billboyd1317]

I have a wide screen version wega.. currently does not work, a buddy of mine wants me to get rid of it, I want to fix it, already looked up what needs done, and I have the rework tools to do it with..

[@MindofMichaelMyers]

This video needs more views.

[@Scarflix]

Thank you Anthony. I had a lot of fun making it.

[@RetroGamerr1991]

Best way to get a PC to display on a CRT is using a Geforce 9800GTX+ with either the 9-pin DIN "Compupack" connector or S-Video and then super-sampling.

[@ecp4500]

Try get a crt projector. No lag or near impercievable with hdfury adapter. Pain in the but to calibrate but you get an amazing image. Try get a sony g90 or a barco 909 reality or cine9. you can go beyond 1080p.

[@Scarflix]

I'm officially keeping my eyes open for one of those!

[@ZiggyMercury]

You killed me with that line, "you put down a flatscreen gently, in fear of breaking the flatscreen, whereas, one of these, you put it down in fear of breaking the table"...

[@tantaroba1337]

Ever heard of Bang & Olufsen's high quality MX line of CRT tv's, like the MX 4000, 6000, 7000 and 8000, with the 8000 being the best and last one. Because the 8k had the active soundsystem and screensize of the 7k but its own updated CRT and electronics, giving it a even better picture.

[@yvind786]

The MX7000 have active soundsystem

[@tantaroba1337]

@@yvind786 as i said..

[@RazorEdgeBullie]

Yeah too bad we never got them here in America.

[@ariannedunlap1781]

does duck hunt with the light gun work on this tv?

[@Scarflix]

it most certainly does!

[@DennisRamberg]

I mean, if the demand is there, I am absolutely sure that it is possible to recreate the CRT-look on a 8K OLED panels, because the pixel density is so high that it is possible to mimic the building blocks of CRT outputs. with HDR and CRT-filters I think it is possible to make something very close to the real deal with intense blacks, amazing brightnes. Regarding latency, with 120Hz we will be able to shave off most of the input latency of the frame buffer, and then we can have pixel perfect 18x 240p output, or 9x 480p output. With a 9x9 or even 18x18 pixels for each Standard Definition Pixel, it's definitely possible to create beautiful RGB patterns, scanlines etc. With proper upscaling, it is possible to smooth out each pixel in a CRT-like manner. If I had the resources I would start a company striving for creating the ultimate retro monitor for computers and consoles, incorperating a top of the line retro upscaler, similar to the OSSC but with higher output resolution.

[@papparaba5504]

It's not that easy… - light emitted by CCFL/LED/OLED is very different from phosphors light (CRT/Plasma tvs), it provides a different naturalness, vividness, "vibrancy" to the colors. - CRTs can reproduce a virtually unlimited amount of color shades. It allow to very precise color reproduction without any kind of dithering (afaik best consumer digital TVs are usually up to 5/6 actual bit per compound, the rest is dithering) - CRT could really be input-lagless. i.e. if you feed a traditional CRT with a direct RGB signal (like RGB SCART here in Europe), the signal will directly drive the 3 electric guns (indeed you can't even adjust the saturation command in this case). It feels like your inputs are executed a little before you perform them... - most important thing: the motion resolution. On CRT you can follow every micro-detail of a fast moving picture (perceived resolution doesn't vary either if the picture is still or moving). You can find something similar only on 30000$ Sony professional OLEDs: they have an option for enabling per lines driving (even in interlaced mode) imitating the CRT functioning, but even so the resolution drops to 700 lines on the resolution test (they are 4096x2160 panels). CRTs don't drop a single pixel. That said, your idea of correctly multiply the pixels is really good. Sure it's better to sacrifice a little of the screen size if needed, always keeping a perfect pixel multiplication.

[@DennisRamberg]

​@@papparaba5504 yeah, I mean CRT technology is of course very different, and the zero input latency is near impossible to compete with, and the virtually endless colors. However the upscaler can fill the frame buffer on a per-scanline basis similar to the OSSC. while applying a pixel-perfect mask during the line rendering while converting and imposing color/brightness spectrum according to the HDR10 standard (but yes. the image will only update once every frame has been drawn) What I am thinking is that the TV will run 60Hz content on the panels 120Hz refresh mode reducing the overall frame latency to 8ms (which is, to most people, extremely negligible). I'm not saying it will be EXACTLY like CRT or actually win the battle. :) But it would create a perceptual lag free experience to most people, with smooth pixel characteristics that we miss so dearly from CRTs. Example of a pretty good superimposed CRT filter is "CRT Royale Kurozumi" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqPTnmulZpyWfqc (watch in 4K on a 4K- or 1080p screen). I just wish this to be expanded upon and integrated directly into a 4:3 8K OLED. xD "the perfect modern retro monitor". I would of course also love to have different CRT-filters configurable in the TVs native settings for SD content. I guess it's a niche but what modern TVs do to SD content is crazy, smudging and blurring everything to an unrecognizable mess. Treat every pixel with love, now when we have the resolution for it. :) tiny black borders are okay in my opinion, in order to get a pixel perfect image. (however, some inputs need to be streched horizontally, like the SNES 256px wide content), but with a 8K canvas you have pixels enough to upscale it nicely without perceived banding issues)

[@papparaba5504]

​@@DennisRamberg To be honest I don't like scanlines. It seems that some people consider them like a distinctive trait of CRTs lol. Obviously it is a problem related to old videogames-HW's limitations. I really like my 2001 28" Mivar CRT (at the moment I have Ps1, og Xbox and Ps3 connected to it) 'cause it attenuates the scanlines on 240p games (I think is either for a little accentuated bloom and a poor mask which when heated by the rays becomes finer), so the picture is quite compact. About the 120hz thing I think it's not a possible thing to realize. I mean it is possible with frame-rate free PC game but old console games will still internally run at 60hz (you'd still have a input window and an actual game's screen refresh, once every 16ms). This would be useless for the motion resolution too for the same reason. A 120hz BFI could make some improvement. For the rest I agree with you. Just making the emulation pixel perfect on screen would really make a huge difference (perfect sharpness and colors), like playing on emulators (with up-scaling enabled). Little black borders are ok for sure. After all you're forced to have 2 big vertical BB when playing 4:3 games (it's not possible to patch it on 2d games). I think that many people would be interested in a monitor/tv with such up-scaling function.

[@RobertKliethermes]

I picked up that same TV about 8 months ago at a recycling center that gives away old working CRT TV's. It is the best CRT I own, and I have 7 of them at the moment. I had to carry it by myself into my house, which I don't recommend. I felt my spine compress as I lifted it onto my entertainment center.

[@ponysoftonline4533]

Watching this on a CRT monitor that I use as my main screen. Love these heavy old beasts

[@Scarflix]

Yessir! Godspeed you keeper of the past.

[@lievenvv]

I'm watching on an Iiyama Vision Master Pro 450, hooked up to a GTX 1070 laptop - the last Nvidia with analog output... In fact, the GTX 9xx series was the last, but my laptop apparently has some neat lil' magic built in! :) CRT colors are the best!

[@doorht]

There are old video cards that support S-video out for you PC.

[@Scarflix]

Oh okay, so that’s the move?

[@doorht]

@@Scarflix That is the easiest/cheapest way I have found. I think you can have another new/better card in there too that actually does the rendering if you're trying to play more modern games.

[@naotomori5974]

Also most of the newer cards with S-Video (mid to late 00s) can output Component if you have a 7 pin S-Video to Component cable

[@unlovableshinshin]

doorht and that is emulation, not real cartridges

[@souljastation5463]

@@naotomori5974 you'll not get the best quality by using the video card s-video out, you need an old Ati X series card (or older), a modded video driver that outputs to 15Khz and a special made VGA-SCART (or VGA-whathaveyou) video cable.

[@Zynnzibar]

Im picking up a sony trinitron kv-27fs12 this weekend and its basically this TV but 27" and by the looks of it im going to have a blast playing My PS1, N64, Dreamcast, Gamecube, and wii on it. I hope DVDs and VHS tapes will look amazing on it

[@Sugurain]

I got a 32" Philco 16:9 CRT recently, the picture quality is so phenomenal that it looked like a OLED tv or something, minus the HD resolution. When you sit 10ft from the screen or more, you can't tell the difference in resolution anymore, all you see is that AMAZING contrast and INCREDIBLE colors. Being widescreen, modern content looked perfect on it, such as movies. I bought an HDMI to Component converter, with the ability to downscale FullHD content to 480i, so now I can hook my PS4, PC, etc to my CRT. lol For retro games that were originally in 4:3 format, it supports that too. The screen is big enough that a 4:3 image in it is as big as a 29" TV screen. Since then I've ditched my LED TV, the image quality is SO BIG, that I'll hapily trade the high resolution of the LED for it. They say the last plasma TVs from Panasonic and OLED TV can rival the picture quality of these CRTs, but I can't easily get my hands on one right now, so I'll keep using the hell out of my CRT for now. lol

[@VanguardRaven]

How is it for input lag?

[@quinnhumphrey3472]

This video earned my like when you Dora’d me and I shouted “ITS BAD” about input lag. Well done.

[@RPKGameVids]

I've stocked up on a few CRT's, two 21 inch, and two 14 inch, some of them need some work though, and I wouldn't mind getting two or three more 21 inch ones. The CRT that I'm currently using for non HD video games is my Sony Trinitron 21 inch KV-21X5U.

[@DreadedGrim]

I love CRT TVs...I still have the one that I grew up with playing games and watching stuff on.

[@geovani60624]

Mine is a kv29fa210 and it's pretty solid too, it also has this problem when the screen goes all white the red canon goes all up

[@Scarflix]

Any idea why that happens?

[@geovani60624]

@@Scarflix mine has the red bean slightly unaligned, so i blame it, but i'm not 100% sure

[@lolomre]

I HAVE A SONY KV-29FX20E FOR PLAY GAMES ARCADE 8 and 16 bits RGB SCART YOU OPINIÓN ?

[@cf651]

I found one of these with the stand this weekend, had to spend a tank of gas to pick it up!

[@jagheterhopp]

The thing that's special about the FV310 is the high voltage regulator. Aka vertical and horizontal bloom control, similar to what they used in professional monitors, PVMs, and BVMs. For the Europeans, the KV-29X2 also got it. These are the only 2 consumer sets that I know of that got that deluxe treatment.

[@herpyderpyderp]

what does it do to the picture?

[@jagheterhopp]

@@herpyderpyderp Bloom control. For example, if you have a large bright object in the picture on a standard CRT set, you can see everything around that bright object gets pushed away or expands slightly around that bright object. This effect is exaggerated if you turn the contrast up high. Though it depends on the quality of the flyback transformer and tube health. The best way to test it is with a flashing test image or by connecting the CRT TV to a computer and turning the contrast up high and dragging a bright object around on the screen.

[@herpyderpyderp]

​@@jagheterhopp interesting. i have a newer CRT TV that can get really bright, i need to test if it does that. i remember reading about this issue on cheaper PC monitors.

[@sarahkeil3163]

NICE VIDEO BEN

[@Scarflix]

Thanks bb 💕

[@halo3odst]

Pro gamer move: buying a big ass trinitron, one massive chunky boi. Slow gamer move: using it to play ps2

[@Scarflix]

So true lol. I got the ps4 running on it once! Didn’t look super great tho

[@halo3odst]

@@Scarflix yeah, i made that mistake too, unfortunately tracking down an HDCRT is very difficult.

[@halo3odst]

Well i have one have owned 2 and have seen about 5 on the side of the road but the cords were cut. However i have NEVER seen an HDCRT that i have been able to pick up or buy. Also, that only matters for light gun games everything else is workable.

[@mrburns366]

I had an HD CRT television and it was garage! The scaler inside was complete crap. The image wasn't sharp at all. For 240p or 480i just use an SDTV. For 480p and above get a CRT computer monitor.

[@unlovableshinshin]

halo3odst should’ve done snes

[@Survivor-ng4te]

Nice set. I have the KV-36FV300. Very heavy. I have close to 8-10 various size CRTs. I’m thinning out my collection as time goes.

[@Scarflix]

CRT collecting is quite addicting. I have PVMs yet though. I can't seem to find any around Atlanta yet.

[@shinakuma9]

Sell me one of this bro 😢

[@Lightblue2222]

Super Hang On, the reds are so vibrant on CRT. Have to see it to believe it. Glad u tried to demonstrate on here even though we are watching on flatscreen phones. X) ..The transition from LCD to CRT is mind blowing. It's been years since most ppl have even looked into one.

[@gammaphonic]

That looks like a pretty amazing set. I’ve got three Sony PVMs and they make retro games look otherworldly good. CRTs are the shit. Also, light gun games. I love light gun games. For me, they’re the chief reason to own a CRT.

[@riggel8804]

I got 2 pvms and a bvm myself but I prefer to play on sony wegas. I have a 32 inch sony wega that looks as sharp as my pvm20m2mdu and the scan lines are fatter than my bvm1911. They do have their own issues though (mostly geometry problems) but if you've been gaming on pvms for a while I would suggest giving the wegas a try. You can find them for free or dirt cheap on Craigslist. If you like light guns you got to try them out on a 32 inch screen. Time crisis on a big screen with a buddy... Hell yeah

[@Scarflix]

I can't wait until I come across a PVM or BVM! I got my eyes peeled!

[@riggel8804]

@@Scarflix it was a lot easier to find bvms and pvms a couple years ago. I uses to call up broadcasting stations and hospitals and ask if they had any. I found 4 this way (cheap or free). It was fun. Unfortunately the surplus pro monitors seemed to have dried up in the last year for me. Good luck finding one under $200. Pvms don't look that different than your wega for the most part. A high line count bvm is going to look different though.

[@brucenova2904]

Your video is a direct inspiration as to why i started hunt these crts 2 years ago. Right now, i have 2 of these in my home, so i can play time crisis with 2 ps2 39000 models to hook them up with firewire/i-link and play as an arcade at home. Thanks man!!! Shout out from Brazil.

[@SteroidApollo-xj1zc]

Over the weekend I just scored a KV-36FV300. And it came with the original remote and it is amazing. Have 5 retro game consoles on it and my cable box along with a dvd/vcr combo. I have it all in my living room and will make the living room my retro room.

[@mdogg4]

Love CRTs

[@Scarflix]

Yuh

[@ManOfAttitudeLP1998]

It is an addiction

[@floydfan2026]

I don't see don't continuing the Trinitron TV's, but I could see them continuing the Trinitron line if computer monitors

[@JBTYpr]

Very informative and well done video! Thanks!

[@Scarflix]

Thanks JB!

[@johanaceves1940]

I just noticed, my parents had this same tv model as a kid, but a 21" version. Disgracefully they threw it away

[@Riz2336]

I've still got a CRT laying around in the guest bedroom of my house, it does get that legit feel for retro consoles

[@Scarflix]

Ain’t nothing better! What kinda games do you play?

[@TheMadisonHang]

@20:00 FOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT CONNECTING YOUR PC TO THE SONY CRT Use the S-Video input, that means you'd have to get a PC Video Card with S-Video output I've looked into this a couple years ago but never got around to it Good Luck! let me know if you do it!

[@billpatterson9342]

Wait isn't that my Mom's tv you bought for $10 off craigs list? Hope it's working out for you!

[@Scarflix]

Best $10 I ever spent!

[@revupofficial]

Wait what?

[@Anomaly628]

A standard 25 inch tube on a k7400 arcade chassis with groovymame mame calibrated correctly is the real way to go. But this is nice .

[@brugtx]

In Brazil, they have the 38” version of this model (KV-38FV310)

[@ThirdEyeCollective]

Whaaaat!?

[@Scarflix]

Oh damn!

[@brugtx]

Scarflix here is the service manual and operating instruction: www.manualslib.com/manual/1308940/Sony-Trinitron-Kv-34fv310.html#product-TRINITRON%20KV-38FV310

[@brugtx]

Third Eye Collective If I am not wrong there are 34” and 38” version.

[@felipem4704]

Bruno Fernandes I found a KV-32FS120... worth it?

[@justincase190]

I just want to know if light guns work on these. I hear many people say they do and many people say they don't.

[@Scarflix]

I have never experienced pointing a lightgun at a CRT TV and it not working

[@justincase190]

@@Scarflix I would agree for the most part but things get foggy when you get into HDCRT vs SDCRT and curved CRT vs flat CRT. The model you have does seem to be curved and a SD model so I think light guns should work fine.

[@justincase190]

Also it's not just about the light gun working or not but about it being accurate.

[@jnero79]

Light guns don't work with hdcrt tvs

[@scerms]

@@Scarflix I have experienced pointing a lightgun to a CRT and it didnt work. Not very uncommon.Thats the case for all 100hz CRT-TVs...i.E. the Sony KV32FX66!

[@TheBlockSociety]

Better have that Diddy Kong 64 pulled up when I get there...

[@Scarflix]

boi stop

[@william18miller]

Doubt you'll see this 2 years later, but that HD CRT can achieve zero input lag for 1080i content. You have to enable HDPT in the service menu, and also the JUMP setting to get 4:3 without pillarboxing. I currently have a MiSTer running custom resolution of 720x540p because it can't output 1080i. However the TV can convert 540p to 1080i without adding lag. Zero lag has been confirmed with time sleuth, and duck hunt, lol. I know you said the picture wasn't good so doesn't matter, but this gives new life to Sony HD CRT's!

[@aussieexpat]

Thanks for sharing man. Really awesome. Im not tempted at all... but... it did look great.

[@Scarflix]

At some point I decided the unit was just too rare to not make a video about. What you been playing lately?

[@aussieexpat]

@@Scarflix mucking about with the mini genesis. In Australia, like europe, we played a lot more sega than nintendo.

[@james.b.mcgill]

I have the 27-in version of this television. When I upgraded to a flat screen, I held onto it 'cause I still wanted to play my original NES Zapper games, and my PS2 Gun-con games. I'm so glad I held into that thing. I was a little upset when, about 15 years ago, I saw one at Goodwill when they were selling all of their tube TVs for only a dollar. I paid $700 for mine brand new.

[@allysonprincess]

Does a 21"CRT Trinitron suffer from the same input lag as well? (VGA)

[@anSealgair]

You're a gamer, give it a try

[@zach.hanford]

Man, I had this TV in my childhood bedroom. I left it behind when I moved out because it was just... too heavy to move. Years later I checked in with my parents to see if I could get it back but they left it behind when they moved out. What I'd give to have that back now.

[@eyalslost7919]

soooo awesome

[@Scarflix]

Correct

[@mdogg4]

Haha

[@smashingrandomthingzandrev2134]

I was just a few minutes ago being stupid and I looked at my crt from like 1 inch away from the 27 inch screen. Can this harm me or my eyes

[@Scarflix]

If anyone knows the BEST way to get video from my PC to this CRT let me know!

[@kevinradigan2688]

Use CRT Emudriver (custom video driver that allows 240p output with certain AMD video cards) and use a vga to component transcoder if you have a VGA or DVI-I port. If you only have HDMI, you might be able to use a HDMI to component converter with CRTEmudriver. There are ways to get 240p output with Nvidia cards but I'm not sure how.

[@Scarflix]

Thanks Kev! I just pulled down CRT emudriver and am reading the wiki on it now.

[@crteaser9726]

Theres a few ways to go about it depending on the resolutions you want to run ill be making a video with this exact screen with my pc after i finish my av rack

[@Lloyd33]

eBay "scan converter". Thank me later.

[@riggel8804]

Kevin's right. I do not know this with my pc and my wega. Did you ever get it working?

[@xsparik]

This guy looks like a live incarnation of Donkey Kong. Its a compliment btw.