Best Friends Play Devil May Cry HD (Part 5)

[@ironpickle1665]

This under water part is especially strange because there was an underwater part earlier in the game where Dante could just walk around as normal.

[@JamesCPotter13]

Iron Pickle technically that was a magical air hallway.

[@ironpickle1665]

That is not Magical air. You can clearly hear a splash when Dante hits the water and if you look closely there are corals in the environment. If you don't believe me, see for yourself kzbin.info/www/bejne/mX3XqaSjltGFaqMm22s

[@NormalLee67]

It's a magical air bubble, dude. When you're first in the underwater part look at the edges of the arches and you can clearly see a water surface.

[@salsamancer]

@@NormalLee67 then why is Dante choking the whole time he is down there? And why does he have no problems with air in the first person section? This is wildly inconsistent

[@NormalLee67]

@@salsamancer game ruined 0/10

[@Xzeihoranth]

"Strangely, it appears as thought there's a slight smile in his expression." Yeah, skeletons do that. On account of them always smiling cause they don't have flesh.

[@Neogears1312]

A Xzeihoranth Dante’s a man who runs a 10-9 business that requires a password and even then he’ll just choose not to take the job and wonders why he’s broke. Intelligence isn’t exactly his strong point.

[@zomboids2100]

*there's a skeleton currently living inside of you* 💀 drink more calcium for him

[@GoldLight73]

I guess we'll never know The "weirdest thought" that Pat's dad has on subtitles.

[@robertgreenjr]

If this is not brought up in the next episode, I am sending emails to the podcast until he answers

[@Bencc94]

Im pretty sure he's brought that up before, but yeah, it doesnt matter, and Woolie screwed it up even further when Pat tried to retrace the thought. DAMN YOU, WOOLIE!

[@rileywhite5037]

Gold Wade I remember Pat mentioned a while ago that his dad would rather watch a foreign film with no subtitles where he can’t understand the language than watch a foreign film with subtitles.

[@GoldLight73]

That... Is really freaking bizarre.

[@mrm5191]

+Riley White Yeah, I think it was some movie in German or something.

[@DreamedLint]

Pro tip: Air Raid isn't situational. It's a universal, "I don't feel like playing this game anymore." move that turns Dante into a nearly impervious flying gun turret that can just completely skip 90% of the game's encounters by just holding rb/r1 and mashing x/square.

[@WFoong98]

It is like they should watch that Matthewmatosis perfect S rank run for this game hahaha. Air Raid is good and Pat is crazy, who would have thought.

[@DreamedLint]

@@WFoong98 Dude I just watched that again the other day lol.

[@DreamedLint]

@Edward Jaquez Oh, it's not a big deal. I just thought I'd throw it out there. It doesn't really bug me. People should still check out Matthewmatosis's video though. It's an incredible analysis of the game's design.

[@TenretniQuin]

You have to remember though, this is the same backwards ass human(ish) being who thought the TMP in Resident Evil 4 was garbage (With a follow up video that later showed he was talking out of his professional ass). As for Borderlands though, that's a shrug. Everyone has their opinions. Fuck you on this particular thing, though, Pat.

[@crazygamer4260]

It how I play dmc1 honestly

[@justwungo]

>Castlevania starts at Symphony Of The Night >The intro with Simon going to fight Dracula Keep it up Woolie

[@joshuagiordano593]

he doesnt know that Bloodlines is the name of the track that plays even tho it flashes on the screen in big glowing letters when you start playing

[@gaminggoddess85]

Isn't Bloodlines the name of the final level of Rondo of Blood, which the opening of Symphony of the Night recreates?

[@Squidbeep]

How can some one be so wrong

[@felteair8042]

I know, he said Simon and I just thought "wasn't it Richter?"

[@TheNocturnal1]

Fucking Woolie, get some education!

[@astern.7425]

In a recent panel, Itsuno said his favourite character is Vergil.

[@Valanway]

The man has good taste, what can he say?

[@ayyylmao101]

(inhales) and he's right to feel so

[@Raven_Frame]

After hearing you two talking about some of the responses you get during a LP and how it makes you feel, I just felt like reminding you that as long as you guys are having fun and a good time with the LP, than I am also having fun with it. I can't speak for others, however I watch for your personalities and as long as you have that you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

[@codafett]

Agreed. I miss them so fucking much Raven

[@BlinJe]

@@codafett Yeah their particular blend of personalities is unmatched to this day imo. have a hug from me.

[@Comkill117]

I mean DMC5 has a pair of MOTORCYCLE CHAINSAW SWORDS so it already exceeded my expectations.

[@Nightweaver1]

Wait... do you mean there are motorcycles with swords that have chainsaws on them? Or chainsaws that have swords shaped like motorcycles on them? Or maybe a chainsaw that is a motorcycle shaped like a sword?

[@nellancaster]

All of them. I guess. It's cool regardless though, so there's that.

[@sugarveins]

I expect full frontal nudity.

[@android19willpwn]

is two motorcycle chainsaws better than four regular chainsaws? I eagerly await the answer to this extremely important question for spectacle fighters.

[@franklinturtleton6525]

It exceeded all expectations and IT WON BEST ACTION GAME OF THE YEAR!

[@destructodude]

Woolie "Montoya has to say her name in an accent" Madden is getting defensive about pronunciation.

[@0rriAndroid]

Aa-cat-sue-key

[@destructodude]

Ayaido

[@Mekasoundwave]

ar-sane loo-pan

[@4thSurviver]

Mare-e-o

[@destructodude]

Adamant about pronouncing "Raiden" a certain way, can't pronounce "Geisha."

[@IamPinhead]

Hearing how they talked about DMC 5 in 2018 makes them falling in love with it during their LP so much more satisfying.

[@thickchip3206]

It’s funny hearing them worry about DMC5 being bad after watching the DMC5 playrhrough like : “how is it going to live up to people’s expectations?” “It MAX ACTED everyone’s expectations!!!”

[@WildcardGrey]

no more let's rock baby in the intro? now I'm a sad boy.

[@0rriAndroid]

Been playing 2. The Resident Evil thing carries over more than you'd think. You go through a lab that has an underground tram where you fight wall crawling monsters before your first confrontation with the well dressed business man villain, whose company is called 'Uroboros'

[@kameronhall4448]

What game did you play?

[@LV99MasterMonk]

Well uroboros was used in other capcom titles (MVC) so I think it's less of a resi thing and more of a Japan really likes this, so we're gonna put it in everything. Kinda how Wesker just became Neo or Agent Smith

[@Wilybat]

This Is The Stance. Devil May Cry 2

[@vVAstrAVv]

What 2 there is no dmc 2 Kinda like theres no leisure suit larry 5

[@Wilybat]

Jeedy Jay DMC 2 is a worse game than the reboot, but it didn't go out of its way to troll its fans. That's probably why people can hate DmC more easily.

[@Godot1256]

lol I get what Woolie is trying to say at 13:53 but I find it hilarious that he threw out two pronunciations of Akatsuki and neither are the "correct" one

[@willg8035]

Woolie touching slightly on the unholy quagmire that is "Localization". How far do you go? How far do you sink? Do you play it straight or is it jellydonuts and ghost stories? No one will ever be happy and the language barrier will always win. It's a sad truth.

[@lv.2073]

The Yakuza team has been doing pretty good in my opinion (recently)

[@originalscreenname44]

Also, say "Aeris" you morons! "Aerith" makes no fucking sense and sounds like when Japan tries to make Western sounding names and failing (see Fighting Baseball).

[@Corrector1]

Ghost stories?

[@vagosporvida9281]

lol True!

[@ExaltedUriel]

Crisis Core, Kingdom Hearts, and literally every piece of FF material released by Square Enix after the release of Final Fantasy 7 call her Aerith, so I will continue to call her Aerith. Asking people to say "Aeris" because Japan says "Aerisu" is like asking people to call Phoenix Wright "Naruhodou Ryuuichi".

[@suddenllybah]

Inconsistent pronunciations is the best world building.

[@yakumoyomi5765]

Manga is pronounced "mah-n-guh", not "main-guh". Stop pronouncing things differently than how I pronounce them!!! URIIIIIII!!!

[@JMiles-wl1nq]

I never did before, but now I will say main-gah.

[@TasTheWatcher]

It's pronounced mango, you uncultured swine!

[@ExaltedUriel]

18:06 "When you're *Simon* walking up the stairs to go fight Dracula." I know in their Castlevania Box Art critique Woolie said he wasn't big into Castlevania, but that's a big oof.

[@FarronOfHouseFarron]

Especially for someone who said Castlevania starts at Symphony of the Night.

[@gaminggoddess85]

InsanityMethods I question if he's ever even played SotN with a flub like mistaking "Ryu in blue" Richter for "Conan's cousin" Simon .

[@Maioly]

26:50 air raid works too; In fact, it helps a LOT with most of the platforming in this game.

[@BroadwayBrittany]

I remember when Brawl first came out, I distinctly had the thought of, "How can graphics POSSIBLY get better than this?" Just...the denim fabric of Mario's overalls, the detailing on Zelda's dress, it blew my mind. Not only that, but I had actually only been exposed to Melee about a year or two prior (and it was my absolute obsession for that entire time period), so the drastic upgrade over such a short time period was absolutely mind-boggling for me.

[@Supreme-Emperor-Mittens]

*PAT, YOU FORGOT TO FINISH TELLING THE STORY ABOUT YOUR FATHER ...* and when you asked Wollie to remind you of what you were talking about ... he tells you something completely different. Wollie ... come on man, smh.

[@TasTheWatcher]

Isn't it cool how Dante can just teleport his bullets into enemies, like Wesker can do with himself? Why doesn't he do that now. Or now. Or now, with his grenades? Just teleport his grenades inside the demon's heads and blow up their demon-brains. Or he could teleport his sword, or his fist into a demon, and pull out it's heart. Why doesn't he just teleport himself?

[@ZyroShadowPony]

No he's just moving really fast

[@Doralga]

Pat Wesker can't teleport woops wrong series

[@4thSurviver]

How weird that he obviously has this ability, look at how his coat moves, but never uses it when he needs it most even if it would save his life.

[@dng2829]

@@4thSurviver to be fair he's only ever been at risk of dying due to his brother. Plus why teleport when you can style. If he teleported bullets or was practical we wouldn't get cool awesome moments like him surfing on an enemy

[@JMiles-wl1nq]

I just picture Wesker "moving really fast" into Chris and him exploding into a puddle of blood and guts.

[@guywhotalksaboutthings]

2:32 Broken glass shards in a toilet bowl describes this channel very well

[@kattastic9999]

It is so much fun to hear them talk about DMC5 can't possibly live up to the hype. Because it did.

[@Virus16th]

In a move that is no doubt the work of Pat's Stand, he spent a couple minutes hyping up how good he's doing in DMC and proceeded to be shamefully exposed by the second Griffin fight.

[@SteelBallRun1890]

I can't wait for Billy's high tier DMC2 LP.

[@0rriAndroid]

No, but my low tier DMC2 LP, tho

[@kameronhall4448]

Whats he playing? whatever it is its censored for some reason

[@Knightess]

"This was actually insane for the time it came out... Go look at other games that came out in 2001!" You mean like Metal Gear Solid 2?

[@danieln6613]

Yeah, and also like The Simpsons Wrestling

[@FeenieVonKarma]

This is so nice to go back to. To know that DMC5 really DID exceed their expectations. What a nice feeling.

[@lilking901]

You better play 2 after this you cowards cause I won’t!

[@ZyroShadowPony]

What is this 2 you speak of?

[@JohnSmith_1920]

"there's no such thing as 2"

[@rashidori]

You mean Shin megami tensei

[@Anu_Evil_Queen]

I would rather play 2 than 4. Because 2 is easy and can be beaten quickly while in 4 you have to play as Nero.

[@superapm9620]

But Nero is best boy...

[@JacksawJack]

It's Richter in the SotN intro level, not Simon. Wrong again, Woolie the Liar. W-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-Woolie Always Lies

[@InugamiTheHound]

woolie the so call "castlevania lore master" gets all his lore wrong just like pat "dark souls lore master" gets all of his dark souls lore wrong.

[@RedJester68]

Woolie May Lie

[@gaminggoddess85]

RedJester68 Woolie Will Lie*

[@PravusTheKid]

My loins ached for this lp to continue

[@An_Inconvenience]

Dmc5 seems to be set in England(judging by the phone boxes, architecture and ambulances). Can't wait for the miriad of Jokes Pat is gonna make about James Small, the dreamcast and/or Ninja theory Edit: literally the next part they spend a good portion shitting on Ninja Theory.

[@The4thSnake]

-"Oh, fuck, I didn't want this." -*Ad starts playing.* Yeah, I know the feeling...

[@Golemie]

On the subject of people basing their interest in video games on graphics, I think that really highlights the depth in which people get into the hobby. For the average consumer, appearance often equates to quality. Cars and movies are good examples. For people who know little about cars, they just look at what is the sleekest, shiniest, fanciest looking one and assume that is, at the very least, top of the line. People who actually know cars can pick apart whether it actually drives well or is comfortable, which can easily mean the fancy looking car is awful. Same with movies, for normal audiences they just want to see the big blockbusters with lots of cool setpieces and action. For people really into movies, older classics and small indie projects may pull more interest due to better themes/ideas. Video games are just like any medium of interest. The term casual is often thrown around as just a generic insult these days, but it is actually applicable in the sense that many people just have a casual, surface-level interest in games. Games with photorealistic graphics, giant worlds, and big name voice actors/developers involved often stand out more. And for good reason, those are pretty cool things to see in games and will naturally garner attention. That's why games such as Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, and Call of Duty grab massive audiences despite possibly having some gameplay foibles or simplistic themes/mechanics. Those games are great for people that have a passing interest, because they show just what the medium can do when firing on all cylinders, showing the biggest and best of technological/developmental progress in the field. But for people who really involve themselves in the interest and dedicate time to what they love, that starts to matter less while more intricate mechanics/ideas become more important. Boiled down, casuals are genuinely a massive population of those who love video games, in which the newest, fanciest products appeal. In those situations, the more intricate aspects don't matter as much. For me, a car is a car, so when I see a fancy looking vehicle drive by I assume it must be a really good car. I may be completely wrong, but that's because I have a casual interest in cars. It's good for those triple A games to come out and really push the popularity of the medium, but they certainly aren't representative of what video games are good at.

[@VincentWeisTheThird]

I disagree. I've found that many young adults that I grew up alongside don't just look at Call of Duty as the newest prettiest game, for example. Even casual game players who only pick up CoD and FIFA will still notice differences between them. Sure, they won't want to talk about it online, but casual players absolutely notice when mechanics work or don't work. But the graphics are a part of their enjoyment. I think that people like ourselves who love games and play so many have a bad habit of pretending that the graphics shouldn't and don't really matter as much as the mechanics, but the games we play are the sum of their parts. The feel and look of a game are as important as the mechanics governing them, and I don't think that casual fans stay casual because they only care about graphics. Mainstream games convey their mechanics much more clearly, but are also often hard. Trying not to die in Cod or get messed up in the online of any sports game is as hard as getting mid-tier in League. It's not that the mechanics are shallow for the newbies, its that those games emphasize their hooks, the things that attract the first look more than games like your Dark Souls 1, that have fantastic mechanics and are difficult to master, but look and feel like shit by comparison to your AC and CoD. TL;DR Graphics matter. Those of us that play a lot of games may be more willing to appreciate mechanical depth without polished feedback systems and clean looks, but people who only want to buy a game a year don't want to risk wasting it on an interesting game that feels like shit. If Half-Life 1 cost just as much as Black Ops 4, and you had to decide to part ways with $60 to get one or the other to play for the year, its a simple cost-efficiency choice for most consumers.

[@kruaser123]

Just admit it Kamiya thought underwater was a good idea, and he was wrong.

[@seb24789]

You're now blocked from his Twitter.

[@kruaser123]

I know

[@ExemplarKyle]

The Griffon fight on the ship is one of the absolute worst parts of the game. It goes from bad to *BULLSHIT* on Dante Must Die mode.

[@OriionCygnus]

As someone who grew up during the change from 2D to 3D I always recognized that 3D games at the time looked pretty rough. I got an N64 because I thought its polygonal models were more impressive than the janky aliased mess that most PS1 games were. That and Ocarina of Time. But I did have a moment where I thought "Okay.. this is as good as graphics get. Where do we go from here?" and that moment was the Resident Evil 1 remake on Gamecube.

[@ProxyDoug]

I mean, Metroid and Okami jist give you a container that holds another life bar, it's almost the same thing.

[@edwardcrow6385]

If you ever want a game that hates it's own audience just play destiny 2

[@chrislee5268]

Or Battlefield V, or Mass Effect Andromeda

[@Doom_Hawk]

Oh no, Neo Bungie (AKA Activision studio 99) does care about their audience in some way. They care about how much money they can milk from their wallets by pulling the same scam as many times as possible. I mean, Destiny 2 followed the EXACT same template as D1. Sell unfinished base game that relies on repetition, sell 2 mediocre DLC that were supposed to be in the game in the first place. Sell amazing DLC that gives you everything you thought you were getting in the base game, but with an additional £40 price tag. Except, now they are planning even more DLC to sell after this one because now they have the old fans hooked again.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

Or- 'Sees Din Dan's comment' Dammit, beat me to it. ........ Got one, any iOS game based on a franchise that was on consoles, especially Breathe of Fire 6. Also that PSP Suikoden game.

[@chiyo-chanholocaust8143]

Now if you want a fanbase that hates it's own thing it's the Star Wars one. George Lucas ruined it forever three times. Then JJ ruined it forever. Now Rian Johnson ruined it forever. yay

[@MatNightmare]

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by that? I played part of divinity 2 and it seemed fine.

[@ChronoTriggerHappy]

woolie hates multiple health bars hmm? guess woolie hates Sekiro. Shame on you woolie, why do you hate Fromsoft so much?

[@orngcreator6115]

I love how Woolie’s quest to get his thought out ended with Pat not getting his thought out.

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

Pat: Jeez, what was the taunt button? I wish someone could help me. Woolie: Let me ignore you and continue talking about the stupid joke of "what if DMC V is actually garbage". Okay Woolie, we get it.

[@SentinelRoboguard]

I hate when they do that shit and talk over a really cool part of a game just to get their point across over something, even though we all stopped listening 30 seconds into it

[@NekoKujo6785]

Would you prefer Darlington, or Woolsworth?

[@peacemaster8117]

Alright "Edward", clearly you're the expert on Cool Names.

[@Gustavozxd13]

It took me almost a year to realize his real name is Woolie and I still don't believe it

[@steamdemon]

15:13 if someone could just make like... a small clip... of crazy talk, achieving its final form. just like 1,000,000% crazy talk kicking off. SSJ3 levels of powering up. i would be so happy.

[@OutlawDin0]

Language lessons from the man that brought us "Gaskweh".

[@GuyUWishUWere]

Lady is best girl

[@thelaughingrouge]

You're not even wrong!

[@patrickyoung7101]

Very very correct

[@ShamblesTCG]

You can literally cheese every boss in this game with Air Ride and E&I

[@Valanway]

Pat, you've played Final Fantasy 14 for a billion hours, how do you not remember everyone in ARR saying Ifrit as "Ee-freet?" Same with Ramuh, as Rah-moo. Both are fine either way though

[@TheHalo3fail]

Same for FF12. FF is pretty consistent when it comes to Ifrit. Another case of Pat being Pat.

[@gruknarorcishwar-yerhereto8489]

The subtitle movie conversation just made me want to watch the casshan live action movie again

[@sonic0424]

2:31 Ack! I was doing a shot as Woolie said this and messed up midway through due to laughter reflex. Ooooh, it burns!!!

[@Samael1113]

Ifrit and Efreet are an interesting case study for a number of reasons. First, let me start with "Efreet" is the most proper spelling and pronunciation (Though Ifreet is arguably acceptable) of what amounts to a "Fire Djinn" (Again Djinn / Djinni proper spelling of "lazy" version Genie) However, with Ifrit's existence, we have a fun little translation through translation issue. FF borrowed the word from Arab / Persian, and then it was localized to other languages Meaning, the initial conversion to Nihongo was likely modified to fit their sound conventions (and also possibly to "Sound Cooler" and more palatable). Then, when translated to other languages from Japanese, if the translator doesn't know the subject well (or at all), has limited room in text boxes, and is just converting the Katakana into western alphabet phonetic, there is a lot of room for minor alterations. All this is further complicated by the more important fact, that Espers / Eidolons / Summons / Materia / etc, are all relatively unique and specific beings. Which brings us back to the Djinni / Genie side of things, with Disney. It's all proper names, not what the being is. You aren't summoning "Ice Witch with vaguely Hindu origins" or "Arabian-inspired Dragon God" or "Greek Earth Precursor to Gods", you are summoning "Shiva". "Bahamut" and "Titan". So like Genie, from Disney's Aladdin, which is the proper name of a poor soul who had terrible parents belonging to the race of beings called Djinni, you are summoning a being whose parent are just slightly better and less hipster than Genie's parents, and are summoning "Ifrit" of the Efreeti. Meaning, in video games where you are summoning a specific being "Ifrit" is the proper spelling and pronunciation. Outside of the same or very similar convention, use of the word Ifrit to describe the Arabian / Persian fire-spirits may get you looks. As an interesting aside, Ifrit is a rare case in video games where they did not pull from an already established well-known being of myth. Almost everything else in (let's face it, we're primarily talking about) Final Fantasy (since it popularized and started the pop culture knowledge and spelling) is a very specific entity already, not an indistinct member of a group. Titan is maybe the only other one I can think of off-hand.

[@AfroMetalMizu]

Akihiko: "I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!" ALSO CERVANTES REVEAL IN SOUL CAL

[@0rriAndroid]

Ocelot, also

[@ghostfear2011]

AfroMetalMizu But it’s the underwater level.

[@AfroMetalMizu]

@@ghostfear2011 GHOST SHIP. Matches with Cervantes ;p

[@gaminggoddess85]

+AfroMetalMizu See that new Yakuza detective-lawyer spinoff?

[@AfroMetalMizu]

@@gaminggoddess85 JUDGEU EYESU

[@TungstenViper]

Woolie. Having 2 health bars is functionally better. Having a dumb long health bar just makes you think you have more life than before therefore you get lazy and careless. It's actually worse. That's why KOF had visual ques to determine how much life you would lose from a move instead of having a counter in debug mode. It fits user readability purposes.

[@kittyspam2146]

Mr.Mugen93 except you do have more life than before so.....

[@thegoodoldays911]

But you still have more life than before? What are you trying to say here?

[@TungstenViper]

Thegoodoldays i emant to say more health than what it actually is.

[@Comkill117]

This ship always reminded me of "The Goonies", it's probably because you find it in a cave and One Eyed Willy is the captain.

[@JohnSmith_1920]

"HAAAY YUUU GAAAIIIZ!"- Mundus' True Form

[@thelivingglitch307]

Castlevania similarity to DMC is especially present in Lament of Innocence.

[@gaminggoddess85]

Like the bad jumping :V

[@waidixon8965]

00:10 I guess we can now all thank Pat for his Crazy Talk ensuring DMC5 turned out as good as it did.

[@AcidParadox]

I don't understand why you can't use your normal weapons on this underwater section. What happened to that underwater section with the skeleton warriors before? You could use everything there...

[@barelycompetent9220]

Shhhh don't worry about it. It's fine (I have no idea it's by far the worst bit of the game)

[@31Moth13]

I see we're still pretending Air Raid isn't godlike in DMC1.

[@pureskill123]

9:37 a PS1 game? Capcom really knocked it out of the park.

[@JohnSmith-km4sv]

> fuck subtitled movies > so you'll never watch a foreign movie? Um, don't you know that dubs do exist?

[@gaminggoddess85]

I think kung fu dubs have gone out of fashion though.

[@Griffin1171-love-you-all]

St. Elmo fire is good and it is sweet and it will burn your feet. Beep Beep.

[@JohnSmith_1920]

catchy and inspiring song also

[@Comkill117]

8:26 Song Name: Psycho Siren (mini boss theme)

[@jugemujugemu4690]

1. The DMCV demo IS level 2 2. It’s not the word part of DMC1, especially considering it lasts 5 seconds if you’re not Pat. 3. Taunt is also on the trigger. 4. 4 does have a second health bar. 5. It’s not an argument at all, Air Raid is THE best move on a normal DMC play through. 6. Griffon does go on the floor in his second fight.

[@TJK10]

Nero of Fortuna Well... I was going to mention most of these. But never mind, now...

[@DkKombo]

Taunt was pretty good for getting dt. You can tell they wanted you to use it every now and then. Used to mix it inbetween attacks then capitalize on dt moves.

[@VSPR_APK]

There Ain't No Rest For The Devil / Until We Cry Our Eyes For Good

[@elkin2567]

DMC5 exceeded all expectations.

[@docterfantazmo]

13:05 "He's not on the floor at any point." Except when he was...

[@JustaFan19]

That transition into a explosion at the end was fantastic, kudos to the editor 😎

[@FeenieVonKarma]

Also it's a little scary what gets lost to the mists of time. I don't remember the vast majority of this game. I played it when it came out and I know I finished it, bc I remember the dumb bit at the end. Despite the bad swimmy bits, I like the weird ghost ship setting here.

[@gaminggoddess85]

Stop thinking any game developer will care about your wrong opinions on multiple life bars, Woolie. And I'm pretty sure 3D video games didn't hard-start at Mario 64 either, PC was probably doing it a while before that. Anyway. It's weird that I remember the swimming sections but not the big Ocarina of Time Shadow Temple boat of the dead...

[@ArcRay20]

why is it there is a swimming section, but earlier when Pat fell in the water 20 times he didnt have to swim? im probably forgetting something.

[@gaminggoddess85]

In the early days of Mario water was either an instant death pit or an annoying level gimmick often both within the same game. It never made sense there either.

[@patchouli3422]

Dammit Woolie, stop being wrong. The intro to SotN stars Richter.

[@EBT93]

It’s funny that you guys bring up SOTN, I just started playing it a few days ago and it’s been phenomenal. Too bad we’ll never see it on the channel.

[@JohnSmith_1920]

not for another year anyway, by then the glass will be less than sand, it will be returned to the cosmic dust all things originate from

[@claravinas9265]

why not?

[@JohnSmith_1920]

just an arbitrary time limit before they break the glass on another Emergency LP they said they'd never play

[@gaminggoddess85]

Castlevania was Liam's thing though.

[@WFoong98]

Bc all the time they will spend in the LP is trying to farm the crissaegrim.

[@McGack1]

hey guys one thing to mention is when you do certian stuff to enemies they'll have new notes in their bestiary file

[@lance5445]

Balthier in ff12 super early in the game absolutely pronounces it as E-freet

[@Tenchigumi]

I respect it when English-speaking folks actually make an attempt to pronounce non-English names/words correctly, as opposed to "oh well, gonna butcher it anyway, so fuck it." I think polylingual folks are more likely to share my sentiment, though; in my experience, monolingual people tend to deride such attempts as "tryhard" or, in the case of Japanese words, "weeby."

[@silverblack9286]

8:27 It's not Lock and Load, it's Psycho Siren

[@Deatheater4444]

The tracks in question for Symphony of the Night are 'Prologue' and 'Requiem'.

[@RedTigerDragoon]

Ardyn Izunia in FFXV says Ifrit 'If reet'

[@frankjournal340]

Here's to hoping that they play the new fist of the north star game that's like god hand

[@ZyroShadowPony]

Its fist of the north star of course they will. You're just kiryu in the apocalypse

[@gaminggoddess85]

Plus Kiryu's playable in the game.

[@tigerfestivals5137]

Lost Paradise is nothing like God Hand, but it would be cool if they play it.

[@FuriousGorge]

It's *nothing* like God Hand

[@BlueScarabGuy]

Woolie, I really get where you're coming from with people who only play the hot new thing and don't appreciate older stuff, because it's for movies too. I was DUMBFOUNDED when I talked to certain people in high school and early college and realized that no, not everyone is at least a mild movie buff, a whole lot of people just see what comes out in theaters/on Netflix/to the Redbox and don't watch anything that's not current. Like, for me, not watching anything that predates my own existence would be a stupid way to experience media, but a lot of people do that, with the only exception being stuff that was formative for them as kids.

[@VincentWeisTheThird]

I don't think its stupid to watch that way, I think that it's aggressively pretentious and dismissive of Woolie to say that they're enjoying their media wrong. They want to spend their (or their parents) hard-earned money on something they consider worthwhile, and logically it makes sense that when they have money to spend on either the newest Mummy or the very first one, they might look at the new one, see much higher quality CGI and an actor they know, and assume that its safe to say they'd enjoy that one more, when they have no reason to know about or care about older media. I think that, while it isn't always accurate, anyone who isn't a superconsumer assuming newer things will look better and generally have learned their lessons from the past is not unreasonable. Talk all you want about "appreciating what it was for the time". I will, I love doing so. But not everyone wants to spend hours not enjoying some older, now-shitty-looking media and thinking about how much they WOULD have enjoyed it years ago, when the opportunity they've spent on that could have been a newer safer equivalent instead that doesn't have that barrier to entry.

[@BlueScarabGuy]

@@VincentWeisTheThird Honestly, I'm more tolerant of the mindset when it comes to games than movies, because games are far more expensive, require specific hardware, and age much fast because the progress of processing power and storage space (and therefore both graphical fidelity and number of features) is so exponential. Not to mention that games are an active medium and film and television is passive. I can understand not wanting to force yourself to actively interact and push yourself through the clunkiness of an older game. But with movies, especially from past the era of Old Hollywood? There's barely any real difference in how films work from after...Jaws, probably. Technology improves, stories adapt to fit the time, but movies are movies, and to just ignore thousands of films that are just as good or better than stuff coming out now (not "good for their time" or "important" necessarily, actually good in comparison to current fare) for no reason other than "it's old" is kinda limiting yourself. Like, I'm 22 and I couldn't imagine just ignoring the majority of all film that came out before the mid 90s.

[@VincentWeisTheThird]

I can totally imagine it, because Jaws is a really good example. If you had seen amazing CGI and you go back to even the best practical effects, it is really obvious how fake it is. The illusion is harder to keep up when you're seeing it on a larger higher res screen and noticing how washed out the color is, how weird the acting might be, how improvised effects are. These things take away from your ability to be immersed in the medium. Is it possible to enjoy it, yes, but for those that aren't appreciating it for its time, they can't love it as much as the same tricks replicated with greater technical proficiency. Tropes and standards of the time don't always apply. Its the difference between sympathy and empathy. I can sympathize with Jaws. I see how impressive it was at the time, and I'm impressed by how well it does what it does, CONSIDERING the limitations. But I empathize with newer films because they make me feel similar emotions without me having to meet them halfway (if they're good). Some people can't go back to Half-Life 1 after Black Mesa because they don't want to sympathize with what they could have but didn't get to feel in the past, they want to feel all that they can now in the present. There's more than enough new media to satiate most people.

[@BlueScarabGuy]

@@VincentWeisTheThird I mean...in theory I could get where you're coming from, but you say Jaws is a good example of a film that doesn't hold up but was great in its time, when Jaws TOTALLY still holds up. The acting is still fantastic, the cinematography is still good, and the special effects still totally work because their barely are any, and because of that the movie's writing, cinematography, music and performances were designed to compensate, and that compensation (i.e. we have to make you scared even if the shark isn't there) is what makes that film a masterpiece. Like, yeah, there are plenty of examples of films that are dated, but there are plenty of older films that could have been released yesterday and just used practical techniques out of choice, they hold up that well. Alien and Aliens come to mind. So does Raiders of the Lost Ark. So does Blade Runner. Like...I get where you're coming from, and when applied to games, which are computer animation by nature and therefore are incredibly easily dated, I tend to agree more. But with film, I feel like your argument kind of assumes that all older films feel fake or old or cheap to a modern viewer, and I think there are plenty of examples that don't.

[@VincentWeisTheThird]

You're right that Jaws is a bad example, but I can totally tell the difference, and I think the the idea that those films could have been released yesterday and still hold up is a bit generous. At their best, yes, it's hard to tell exactly how they're done, and they down-play it, and they are technically effective, it isn't just effect quality. I'm not saying all older films feel that way, but the fact that so many of them do, and even the best of them can have that quaint old film quality to them means that it isn't irrational for a modern consumer to assume that they're better off watching newer forms of similar content. I am NOT saying that all old films feel fake and old. There are a handful that should go down in history for how well they hide their age, but not every consumer knows that, and for every one Jaws, there's ten old movies that don't hold up, and while it is a leap in logic to associate age with quality, it isn't irrational to consider opportunity cost and decide, that, yeah, this old horror movie my mom handed me MIGHT be super good, but (insert modern movie) is out, and the reviews from yesterday say it's good, so I'm gonna spend my time and money on that one instead. They might be missing out a little bit, sure, but Woolie's dismissive attitude is assuming that all casual consumers hate old media, when it's really just a preference. TL;DR My brother is a casual fan of both games and movies, and he doesn't HATE older stuff and say its all trash. But when he has $12 for either a movie ticket for an old kung-fu action flick or a Marvel movie, and he wants to see some good action, he will pick Marvel because he knows for sure that the movie won't have aged as much. Is he missing out on some amazing Jackie Chan action, maybe, but he doesn't know that he will like it, and he wants some guarantee on a return on his investment, in both his time and his money.

[@TheKrawtch]

What's mind-blowing is how they prattle on about how mindblowing these graphics are for 2001 while they play the 2012 HD re-release

[@gaminggoddess85]

And in like episode 1 or 2 they started doing that but then caught and corrected themselves by saying it was the HD version making it look good. I worry about their brains sometimes...

[@neonfatum]

They're obviously referring to the original when they're referring to mindblowing graphics, not the HD version. Apart from the resolution it looks mostly the same anyway, apart from the many instances where the HD version actually looks (and sounds) worse.

[@stefman101]

I love this, just Woolie and Pat, talking about the good old shit.

[@Aps3FanBoy]

Straight up tho can we get an okami playthrough???

[@Wakerpl]

Goddamnit, we've missed Pat's story about his papa and his taste in movies :(

[@JIMBO8472]

"the power of Saint elmo's fire I dont like the music of these guys" *puts on John parr*

[@insaincaldo]

When I first saw 3D I already knew that it was more of a tool set for improving some genres and creating new ones, rather then make 2D obsolete.

[@LordGrim1313]

these guys really play though this entire game with one special move unlocked for each weapon. geeze

[@oldmatedave2382]

cool to mention that levelup castlevania video. saw that on your twitter the other night I lost my shit it was a instant classic

[@BlargleWargle]

Okay I'm gonna call out Woolie on that not watching films with subtitles thing. Yes, it's a strange line in the sand to draw but being that film is a visual medium, taking in the entire shot is important. And it's hard to do that when the narrative is entirely contained (for you) to the bottom inch of the screen.

[@Osuka1073]

Oh my Gosh Pat my mom said the same thing about playing games on the tv will ruin it some how lol

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

The pronunciation of Irfit like most fictional names problably has multiple pronunciations. That being said near the beginning of FFXII Bathier is on the roof of the castle that’s being attacked by an airship, looks up at the airship and says, “Ah, the Ifrit.” He says it there like Ee-freet.

[@U-Flame]

Pat's right about Ifrit's pronunciation being reflected by it's spelling. The Tales series spells and pronounces it Efreet. Although the pronunciation of Undine varies from game to game.

[@Seeker55]

Pat? Make a mistake? Naw, Perfect Pat we call him!

[@thelaughingrouge]

Pat is super right, the whole "the game will fuck up the tv" was super real back in the day. Everybody's parents said that shit.

[@ColeVecsion]

Spoiler alert from the future: dmc v exceeded all expectations and many a judgement nut occured

[@hheecckk526]

Pat didnt you use a taunt in a previous part and even call it out?

[@arbyw.1889]

I went and did a full playthrough of this game for the past two days, this game is pretty jank but I still love it.

[@Reionder]

Is air hike the new time stop?

[@Grubbo]

What is that video they talk about, with the guy kicking open the door and leveling up?

[@breanimator]

In Dissidia Duodecim Yuna says Ifrit like " ee-fret" when she summons him to fight

[@gaminggoddess85]

In Tales of Eternia, too. That's actually where I learned how I should be pronouncing that and Undine, haha.

[@kinglottier5047]

Is this the only one were you can actually jump on the bosses or do the other ones have that ? because I don't remember doing that in any of the other ones

[@Blackcloud288]

When Yuna in Dissidia summons Ifrit she uses "EEfret", so that's where my brain always goes. Y'know, cuz I hear it 15 times a fight.