Best Games of Magnus Carlsen, with GM Ben Finegold

[@ChristopherMikrowelle]

I wonder when Magnus Carlsen will upload his video of analysing the great games of Ben Finegold

[@broken1394]

That would be lovely to see!

[@osgubben]

Magnus will get nervous breakdown and quit chess

[@Jabadamazo]

"Ah this is just an awful blunder, here, see. I know I've said that a lot this game..."

[@12jswilson]

He got a 404 error looking for Ben's great games. As soon as he resolves the tech issue, he'll make the video.

[@brianjacob8728]

very suspicious...

[@tylerbrown9631]

I love how the students in this class know all the rules and inside jokes.

[@Brian-ve7ds]

That kid who answered semi slav for smyslov 😂 I love that kid

[@twistedsilver01]

10:40 Archer with the "nice" to Ding Liren's 96 games without losses streak.

[@xavierpaquin]

The real joke is the children repeating Ben's weird lines that they know by heart 😂

[@999a0s]

Very Suspicious

[@AguNorris]

1:27 Ben: As you all know * looks at us * Me: * whisper * they don't know

[@broken1394]

Ben is a comedy genius and learning is easier if it's fun, nobody forgets a good teacher. That's a killer combination!! ⚘️

[@rangdipkin6826]

To copy another comment here, you're definitely undervaluing Magnus. He is widely considered either the best or second best ever for good reasons.. Now players can't dominate like before. Engines changed that. Also more people are into chess.

[@JM-tj5qm]

This argument is very poor and baseless. There's no way to determine whether domination as in the past is impossible. Also, Carlsen's continued success contradicts the idea that engines equalize the game. If Carlsen can consistently outperform others, it's plausible that a more talented player could dominate even more. As for Carlsen being "widely considered the best or second best," it's unclear who holds this opinion and why it matters. Popular opinion doesn't guarantee correctness. Furthermore, there's a bias toward the current top player, but this can change over time, as seen with Kasparov. Increased participation in chess doesn't necessarily lead to extraordinary talents like Murphy, Fischer, or Capablanca emerging more frequently. Because extraordinary talent is also extraordinarily rare. Arguments based on factors like newness, improved engines, and evolving chess rules will always favor the latest champion, making discussions about the greatest ever irrelevant.

[@wiadroman]

20:57 - If you say Kasparov again it's right. - Kasparov? The kids are disarming :-)

[@DustinHorvath1987]

I mean...how could you NOT say it a third time after that? I even said it myself lol.

[@jemand8462]

@@DustinHorvath1987I love that Ben is just saying “correct” without even smirking

[@elg7365]

Wrong. Now you can't dominate like before. Engines changed that. Also more people are into chess.

[@kaloianmarinov7581]

True! Ben is just a fat chess nerd. Hating on Magnus is ridiculous.

[@Rubrickety]

That kid responding to the wedding question made me wonder: did Smyslov like to play the Semi-Slav?

[@theguy7380]

Ben is right. People get mad at Ben but he isn’t lying. There are other plays more dominating in the sport than he is but they don’t get the same publicity. I love watching Magnus play because he wins from many different positions.

[@TheMelnTeam]

It's hard to translate player skill between eras. Players didn't have databases of games and engines to evaluate their moves all the time when most of the all-time great world champions were at their peak. We don't actually know what it would be like if there were: - Prep vs OTB analysis emphasize different abilities. Anybody stronger in prep would be at a massive disadvantage before computers were able to outplay everyone. Now there are top GMs who are known for it, and have enough OTB skill to convert advantage they get from it. This skill representation was minimal before engines and easy to view databases...there just wasn't enough freely accessible information that could be viewed so quickly. - By sheer luck, one guy may dominate in eras with weak competition, or struggle as the best among a handful of players who each would have dominated in other eras. Because players get better then decline over time, it's hard to tell which of these is the case. - Like most games, the community as a whole improves over time. Carlsen today vs Fisher of decades ago will probably beat Fisher...after all, Carlsen can easily look at all of Fisher's best historical games. In a sense, modern champions inherit a piece of the competition that made their predecessors great. This is somewhat true even if you compare 1920s chess to 1970s and 1980s chess, but computers have accelerated it to a ridiculous degree. - It could work the other way too. If we were to wave a wand and bring back Capablanca or Fischer or even Kasparov before their primes, and give them access to modern tech + prep as they reach their prime, they would be completely monstrous compared to their historical selves. Maybe they'd also stand head and shoulders above all of today's GMs too, but I'm not so sure about that. Thus when people say "Carlsen is better than Fischer", I suspect whether that's true depends on what they mean when they say it. If they mean "the level of chess Carlsen plays at now is better than Fischer's back then"...yeah that's probably true. If they're claiming "Carlsen would beat Fischer if they grew up in the same era"...I don't know about that one. Probably not if Carlsen grew up in Fischer's time, but possibly if Fischer grew up in ours (he never liked what computers did to chess, so it's hard to say how it would impact him if they were common before he even started learning it).

[@TheMelnTeam]

@@OArchivesX No way of knowing that. His training involved engines (plus a certain legendary world champion coaching him), and theirs was obviously different. Level the playing field and anything beyond "we don't know for sure" isn't a thing.

[@florianl8273]

There's another one that hasn't got a bad score against Magnus Carlsen, and that is Magnus Carlsen

[@nafnist]

Sven, the greatest chess player of our time.

[@sigurdh.s8320]

Øen

[@Some_1_Somewhere]

Comparing Carlsen to Murphy is like comparing Lebron to Paul Arizin. Also, comparing an era without Chess engines to one with them is like comparing two different sports.

[@danbrooks5060]

I don't think Ben would disagree strongly with either of those statements. It goes along with his point tbh. Paul Arazin (and Babe Ruth, Jim Thorpe, Billie Jean King, whoever else you want to mention) had access to the same level of training techniques, tactical and technical knowledge of their sports, sports medicine, equipment, etc etc etc as their contemporaries did - except in cases where they pioneered their own techniques and/or instinctively understood the game at a level no one else did, as is generally the case for all-time greats. Same goes for chess players. Carlsen is only able to play at the level he is because remarkable players throughout history advanced theory and technique to the point where it is today. His contemporaries have the same foundation, and Carlsen just isn't the same degree of "better than everyone else" than the guys Ben mentions.

[@JojenReed]

I like your stuff Ben, keep doing Ben stuff and being Ben

[@Templercz]

big Ben

[@jemand8462]

After playing chess for 6 months I quit and watch these videos for the jokes and general wisdom of Ben.

[@jakeprewitt3009]

10:38 the kid saying “nice” to 96 games 😂😂😂

[@chanky1000]

27:45 Motivation story to come back to later

[@jemand8462]

Thought the same thing. But the problem is: by procrastinating and saving this for “later” we actually fail in changing our lives. We know it’s true but we’re not ready to change, so we just save quotes like these for “later”, when we feel like it. Later will never come and we will never dedicate to anything and will never succeed

[@idocare6538]

@@jemand8462 I think he meant just to watch it again for more motivation. =-P

[@guitarplayerpavel]

Loving this. Thanks!

[@rathelmmc3194]

5 years late for getting the (re)upload on the web. Frankly terrible.

[@ralphschmidt3344]

Hi Ben, did you play josh waitzkin?

[@cranberogelio]

do any of these classes still happen currenlty?

[@12jswilson]

Yes. The lecture on Alekhine's Defense from a couple days ago was recorded on July 24th.

[@justinpasch2017]

Cause of death, I lost to ben, was dark and hilarious

[@zenarrow3356]

What a great motivation for his class and for us Thank you 🙏

[@jamespreston7038]

2:29 I voted for Buchanan. I won

[@thepanchamcode]

Of course Ben starts with Nakamura getting crushed. Very suspicious.

[@sergiuaxinte4610]

Why cant you take the pawn on E4 at 18:07 ?

[@tomwaters8409]

Kemp, an outfielder the Detroit Tigers in the 1960s

[@ajithcc]

Thank you .

[@MGKing-888]

He may not be a super gm but he is a super comedian

[@SevenTheJester]

Carlsen does win a lot of games from a slightly worse position, or positions that are thought to be draws, but there's a good reason for that. He ends up in those situations fairly regularly, because he likes to play random, goofy shit in the opening. I think he does it because he's bored, honestly. But when he gets into those positions, he can win them when most people think they're losing or drawn because he's very likely the best *endgame* player to ever live, with the possible exception of Capablanca. I don't, personally, think Magnus is the best to ever live, overall. I know that he's the best in the world today, and I'm not trying to imply that he isn't exceptional, he absolutely is. I'm just saying that I think there have been players who were as good as or better than him. The names Morphy and Kasparov come immediately to mind. And possibly Fischer, if he was having a good mental health day; you can never tell with the completely crazy ones who's gonna show up in their clothes.

[@ngc-fo5te]

Magnus could play 100 games against Morphy and probably never lose a single game even as black. Morphy time warped to today just doesn't know enough chess - his play would be so simplistic as to be no challenge.

[@tylerbrown9631]

Me with some crazy comment!

[@magnusmagnusson8302]

what is the % of winning Tourneys last 15 years for Magnus anyone know that

[@caskinfg]

03:16 5 years later, and his rating is indeed 2835

[@RajKumar-hf3gh]

Wasnt the pawn on b2 hanging in boris vs for long time, why boris didnt take?

[@mybaldbird]

I was hoping he would go over that too. I'm guessing there's some tactic with moving the knight and getting a discovered attack, but I couldn't actually find it.

[@mybaldbird]

Maybe Nd5 and Ne4 both work?

[@mybaldbird]

Looks like Nd5 is better b/c after Nh5 you can take the bishop on e7 with check then trade queens. I don't see the response to Nh5 if you go Ne4.

[@NL-tq1yr]

Why not Qxb6 after Qa5?

[@jamesburnett3594]

Damn that Donald Trump joke at the beginning did NOT age well lol but amazing video. This takes me back to when I went to chess camp as a kid

[@stevenanderson7046]

12:10 chessboard appears on the screen

[@davidneuman1391]

Why arent there super gm tournaments in india? Seems like a good place for them

[@arsenalfanatic09]

The host country has to have money to host. I'm surprised there aren't more oil rich countries like Azerbaijan and Saudi Arabia hosting super gm tournaments

[@tomswiftyphilo2504]

"great players of the present" of the past

[@ManhattanProject9]

Skip to 12:05 for the actual chess to start.

[@RealityCheck1]

Magnus purposely plays into a drawish game by playing random moves. He then takes his opponent into unknown territory & relies mostly on instinct to grind his opponent down.

[@singleplayerreview3238]

Kasparov and karpov and boby did not dominate,it was kid of the same as magnus,just that now days there are a lot of drows,players are way way way better in the opening than the old school

[@kaloianmarinov7581]

This guy is full of bs, Fischer, Kasparov and the other great players from the past were dominating cause their opponents were playing at 80% accuracy, nowadays supergrandmasters, which are the opponents of Magnus Carlsen are playing at 99%, you can't dominate an opponent who plays at 99% accuracy :D :D :D, don't listen to this guy

[@kaloianmarinov7581]

@terrarossa-tk6zu would could should...

[@feliciajohnson6350]

❤❤❤💖💖💖💖amazing 🏆🙂🙏🏼

[@sublimeade]

28:47 😂

[@brennanlee6718]

I always love hearing Ben talk about Magnus because usually he has good takes… but regarding Magnus he’s just wrong about everything lol dominating scores against virtually all top GMs, an overwhelming amount of world championships, still wins more tournaments than everyone, has a sizable gap over world #2, even after losing a good bit of points (at the time this video was made, yes it was very very close), recently went 11/11 in titled Tuesday only to follow it up days later with a flawless 9/9 against a super GM rated field lol all in the engine era. it’s incredibly difficult to separate yourself nowadays. but it’s very clear who has been the best chess player for years now and who still is

[@manuelkajetan9124]

please make a new best of mc games with newer games @GMBenjaminFinegold love this one

[@paulmitchell5349]

Us boomers like the Norwegian Wood joke.

[@alexandrefraikin5524]

🖖

[@aaronaragon7838]

The Ginger GM jokes go back a few years. Will we ever see the Best of Ginger GMs games on this channel?

[@yupyupyup7374]

cause of death, "losing to ben" 👀

[@dixonbeejay]

Magnus is only good because of the game he played againsr kasparov when he was a 11 and because he is young

[@jacobs5518]

fast forward 12 minutes if you actually wanna watch something

[@SLWRX617]

We like Ben’s jokes. Now here’s why you’re not good at anything.

[@jacobs5518]

@@SLWRX617 enjoy your 12 minutes of nonsense then

[@noambm1234]

go algo!

[@Chris.4345]

Comment for the algo

[@MrCupidd]

I support unkempt