Best PvP Melee in Shadowlands 9.0 TIER LIST

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

Hey guys, as promised we're back with our melee tier list! We'll be back this week with another covenant guide and a deeper look into the most broken specs in right now in shadowlands. Enjoy!

[@Kezzic]

@Skill Capped WoW Guides hey! love the videos, just wanted to let you know you typo’d at 0:49 and forgot to change the title card from your last video, and it says “Placing our healers**** into 4 tiers”

[@ricex2]

looks fw to it, cheers

[@maxfischer8977]

@Skill Capped WoW Guides I guess I speak for everyone when I say it would be helpful if you use correct tooltips when you explain your ranking of a class. It helps especially returning players.

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

@@Kezzic Blurred it, thanks.

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

@@maxfischer8977 Our mistake on a few of those. We'll make sure they're updated to the shadowlands tooltips in future videos.

[@NevanSlone]

14:58 The list!

[@Lassitude1001]

Thanks! "If Sub gets some tuning..." - Bit obvious it will, when has Sub ever remained good? They always make shitty Assass top.

[@specspec6851]

YOU'RE A GOD

[@iTFjaco559]

Thank you captain

[@slevinlaine]

Cheers mate!!

[@LeplynGaming0]

15:00 - The Tier List

[@exanimato6586]

Thanks king

[@PrussianZwei]

I love you

[@Ruffy10100]

like seeing DH on the bottom is like birthday and christmas all at the same time

[@Telarius]

I'm a DH main. And I'm glad they're not so good. So that all the noob shitters stop playing it. And the good dh's who know the higher skill capped mechanics shine.

[@Telarius]

Edit. Believe it or not. There are a few high skill cap DH mechanics. (Meta immuning instant cc's) as an example.

[@froxz5992]

@@Telarius Suuuuuure......

[@Dawg93]

Telarius lol

[@abaiser9258]

@@Telarius All the players that think that "dh is the easiest class to ever play, its free glad" have never even got to glad. Also they are forgetting about destro locks and fire mages that are stacking corruption and getting 1 second chaos bolts and 1.5 second gpie

[@murkelusious5670]

2 of the rets auras were passives in bfa, now you can only have 1 of those up at 1 ttime and they are the exact same so thats a bit of a pepega move from blizz

[@AFSKID]

Wow, considering fury, enhance, and feral are the only melee I actually enjoy playing i’m just going to pretend I didn’t see this video.

[@braindeadrat8005]

Ah yes the mongo specs

[@Wolta]

Honestly I am the same way. I recently started playing enhance, and I'm already at 90. And I was expecting (when I first started feral) feral to be pretty much like a rogue, boy was I mistaken. And fury is just fun to play. Fun to mog as well.

[@michaelbryan9892]

Doesnt matter about where someone ranks classes I know a warrior that will shit just about anyone skill is where it's at

[@Bobbob-cc3yl]

Would you guys consider doing a 3's comp breakdown for shadowlands , Maybe not a "tier" list but a breakdown of whats looking really good , what cool new comps are coming back etc

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

Definitely on our radar and something we'll be looking to do so soon.

[@vincenzomusella5363]

Youve got the class tier list, you can imagine the comps on your own...

[@vandakaii2893]

God i will love going back to old 2h frost again the AoE cleave was fun but its time for some obliteration again :)

[@yuzen6812]

I only stopped Because i had to 1h dk

[@NecoANONYMOOSE]

i find it interesting you talk about the loss of essences + corruption but dont talk about the addition of legendaries, conduits or soulbinds (edit: except for rogue - is the entire list keeping mind the other legendary affects?)

[@MrD4nY3L]

of course not

[@DaimonoZ]

The list is pretty accurate IMO based on beta testing on max level realm. The classes on top all have excellent legendary and covenant options

[@Exata1337]

​@@DaimonoZ well as of right now based on the few games ive seen where sub rogues play alternate legendary/covenants, sub rogue isnt even A tier if they arent abusing the covenant spell that does 30% of their dmg (which also was nerfed, but the dmg hasnt actually been nerfed yet, just the tooltip? at least according to what ive heard), coupled with the shadowstrike legendary. this kind of puts them in the same place as WW monks, in that they are completely reliant on their covenant and legendary effects not being completely fucked shortly before or after release. kind of ridicilous that we yet again have a situation where closer to 50% of people's damage are coming from passive bullshit JUST like corruption, but not at all surprised blizzard clings on to the mechanics that nobody enjoyed.

[@Kasperinovalo]

Use me as "Sad cat noises" button. Make bleeds great again!!!

[@robertserban2422]

Demon hunters are now easy to kill?! A dream come true....

[@darthroes]

Can't wait for the ''5 ways to counter Subtlety rogue'' :')

[@aprillawless4746]

Lol run cc run Los cc run

[@abaiser9258]

All of them are just crying in a corner while they 100-0 you

[@aprillawless4746]

It's funny cause I started lvling a sub rouge before beta and stopped. So I guess I'll be lvling it anyways

[@georgthesecond]

They'll just nerf them to the ground at the start of SL, like they did in BfA.

[@GregerMoek]

@@georgthesecond Hopefully so. Rogue has been a top tier spec since vanilla. Would be healthy to let them be in the gutter for a few patches to make up for it.

[@baphometic8767]

I wanna play ret but all the good rets are saying it's bad and I should just play DK lol

[@fabachso9184]

well, i've never heard a ret say ret is good even if it was.

[@avidiaz2620]

Play what you wanna play man

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

Not good because some class got more cc tools (warlock perma slow 50%) and their actual burst is so stupidly good that it's gonna nerfed to the ground.

[@napkinz4unap85]

@@fabachso9184 once upon a time long ago in a world ruled by a Lich King.. Rets were fucking busted till like Mop then and everything went to hell in Legion.

[@Rich-in6ds]

Ret has barely ever been good in PvP because you can just kite them during wings. Some people make it work still but it’s pushing water uphill

[@TerranDL]

RIP feral

[@Zcorriea]

Ik it fucking sucks i really want to main feral

[@raudello3666]

Feral has been dead for the last two expansions

[@Mystehx]

Feral háve still sick dmg, if you go good fb built. You can oneshot ppl this video is so weird

[@nick16652]

I was so happy to see DH got nerf until I see feral coming up next...

[@Lyachos]

Feral is amazing in WPVP and bgrounds, not arena so much.

[@XXLepic]

Everyone complains about Demon Hunters, meanwhile Rogue has been broken S Tier for 15 years smh

[@ravache5660]

DH = no fingers

[@wesso27]

the point is that demon hunters were broken in pve, pvp and is super easy to play. Rogue is very bad at pve and super hard to play, but it have some really good ways to burst 1 target or keep sustaning damage, making them super good in pvp

[@thatsgrego3616]

Yeah what wedson says. DH was OP and faceroll. I dont mind a class being OP if its much harder to play.

[@svelli7473]

@@wesso27 rogue isn't "very bad" at pve. On the contrary, sub rogue has proven to be top dps in shadowlands pve. Source: www.wowmeta.com/shadowlands/dps-rankings

[@wesso27]

@@svelli7473 the point is that sub rogue is currently broken in PvP and pve, they gave too much stuff to the spec. And now it is superb in everything, it'll probably be nerfed in some patch.

[@TannerCLynn]

I can't decide between maining disc priest in pve/pvp or dk blood pve and whatever pvp this xpac. I always alt the other. Priest and DK are my fav classes by far

[@antoniomf8399]

I like mage, druid and dk cant decide between em

[@khAroof88]

@@antoniomf8399 Exactly the same problem here!

[@Zoramy0]

That's actually pretty cool, because they are so different. Even the theme of DK and Priest is complete opposite.

[@kroven009]

Enhancement went from bleh to meh

[@betahumanx]

They srsly need to roll back to MOP Enhacement

[@avgvstvs7]

@@betahumanx Wod was better

[@betahumanx]

@@avgvstvs7 Didnt play WoD sorry

[@Acey_WoW]

I wonder if shamans will ever be even above average. I dont even want them to be great, even being above average would be nice for a change

[@hahnter4981]

I gave up on Enhancement. Elemental, however, is amazing!

[@Acey_WoW]

@Chris Anderson only in pvp

[@jasonmendoza2044]

Enhancement was beastly in WoD, but yeah it’s been downhill since then unfortunately 👎🏽

[@rafikzidane477]

RMP as always top tier in SL

[@vincenzomusella5363]

Rps

[@Exata1337]

RMP seems dogshit from the current games done on beta, so thats a lie if anything. anything with a warrior is currently the kings of SL beta, with probably arms/sp being the best combo around. also RMP will always be the best comp a mage or a rogue can play, because of how their class synergy works, if RMP doesnt work, chances are rogues are nonexistant, while mages will cling for their life to a warlock, for which they will be carried by the state of warlocks more than the comp in general. actually if RMP doesnt work and MLS worked at the same time, i would be scared shitless of any warlock comp that DOESNT have a mage in it, because that speaks volumes of how busted locks would have to be.

[@bnt7526]

Just give ret hand of freedom +30% speed as a baseline and maybe reduced cooldown. It would help a lot

[@sperohero]

Can someone tell me what addon is being used to make the stock ui health bars bigger like at 8:30 ?

[@VanillaCoke]

*cries in feral Druid*

[@azsumnikolanikola6073]

yea bother... ik .. :(

[@SpelProffsen]

Will dual-wield or 2H be best for PVP frost dk?

[@Woupsme]

What's the add-on showing enemy castbar under the nameplate @ 14:21

[@wesharding2469]

so....should I go back to 2H frost again?

[@alexandergudym8337]

Hey. Didn't play WoW for quiet a while. 5.35 what are these addons for health bars and ability bars?

[@robusmc1713]

I really wish Ret Pallys would get' Long arm of the law' back, as soon as we lost it PVP was NOT fun anymore , getting kitted is so frustrating !!!! ive played Ret for 13 years loved the spec but might go Monk if the dont fix Rets mobility, Thx for the Video you guys make awesome PVP content

[@abaiser9258]

@xrelik Explain shadow priest.

[@moguzenzulibiro6411]

@xrelik Under what rock have you been living under? Shadow Priest dominated the better part of entire BFA in raids rofl.

[@moguzenzulibiro6411]

@xrelik Clearly you have no idea what a good Monk's capable of and are probably stuck at 1500 rating, based on your post above. So move along folks, nothing to see here.

[@epicjameson3129]

Join the dark side go Unholy 😃

[@Dirtyboxer1]

I'm looking forward to getting back into 3s. I'm a bit bummed about enhancement's problems, and I wish Blizzard would correct them, but at least the other spec I play (Arms) is performing well. I might end up going Fury for raids/m+ and Arms for pvp, but I'll have to see how the itemization for each spec works. If they're wildly different, then I'll just stick with Arms for everything. I want to get away from the BFA model where I felt compelled to keep a couple bags of gear on me.

[@ac923alexis]

They need more passive defenses

[@Icicleyo]

Sad to hear about survival hunters.. was rly looking forward to it but now im not so sure

[@HamadAlmayyas]

Pvp was the only content we could play survival at and now its gone

[@Icicleyo]

@@HamadAlmayyas Shame. Its a fun specc :/

[@juanmiguelmoreno5598]

The giant grin I had when they said DH was in the C tier.

[@vindico8231]

This is the way of Blizzard... op classes becomes weak next xpac... dks were op in legion and at the start of bfa they were weak... so dhs might get buffed if needed sooner or later. Also sub rogue was the weakest spec in bfa so it makes sense is the strongest in SL, its the blizzard way.

[@juanmiguelmoreno5598]

@@vindico8231 I know. We're all aware of it. This is not news to anyone. I'm just happy that DHs are in the bottom of the barrel this cycle of tuning.

[@vindico8231]

@@juanmiguelmoreno5598 They might be delaying SL because they don't like how weak dhs are... I just know that's the reason.

[@asKiFTW]

What would you consider a safer pick, SV Hunter or MM Hunter?

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

MM hunter at the moment.

[@stevenlopez1380]

Huh? Thought fury was ahead of arms on the current dps list?

[@stevenlopez1380]

Where did you even come up with most of this? Have you seen the dps rankings recently?

[@Ry3Barbell]

I honestly have to say, this is by far the best video I've seen describing the tiers. my two mains are assassination rogues and frost dks. so I might have to roll with a frost dk this xpac :D

[@kevindavis3631]

for 2h frost dk, which rune is optimal?

[@kalypsiahblack1947]

I trust you guys so much tbh, amazing video as always

[@Lorexbg]

Didn't sub got nerfed ?

[@fede2946]

Whats the difference betwen A, B and C?

[@abdullahmohammed4963]

any updated melee TIER list coming soon?

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

Next week!

[@ondamixtape]

What is the easiest to push 2.4 for a beginner ?

[@Tyguy614]

Trying WW monk out for the first time ever. Just getting back into arena since hitting glad as resto shaman in tbc lol...hope it goes well

[@killianvanier1708]

idk why they nerfed sv hunter

[@salarmosavi9189]

They didn't nerf them !! It's all the borrowed power that made them broken !? and now that they are gone, they are back to realm of reality again. I wouldn't call it a nerf !

[@mikeumansky808]

Salar Mosavi they made pet res time 4 instead of 2sec, as well as making pet more squishy. If it’s not nerf than what is it?

[@djb1021993]

So if you enjoyed Outlaw in previous seasons, the future looks bright. Me: I hate everything they have done to Outlaw...

[@EnragedSeaCow]

Whaaat? The worst thing they did was take the stun off between the eyes the rest seems to make sense 🤷‍♂️

[@djb1021993]

@@EnragedSeaCow The thing i see when I play it... I heard you like to buff yourself before you buff yourself, so you can buff your damage with a debuff. Feels like they are mixing combat and outlaw together in a gross way IMO.

[@BasedChadman]

@@djb1021993 I wish they'd just give us combat back at this point. The rng aspect annoys me more and more as the class progresses.

[@redferne4576]

Outlaw is the most fun rogue spec by far. And is ok.

[@epicjameson3129]

My 2 favourite specs Unholy DK and Shadow Priest looking strong !!! Can't wait now !!!

[@Dantzk5]

x2

[@vincenzomusella5363]

Nobody asked

[@kamilbanasiak7743]

Hello, can you tell more about enh shaman convenant and soulbinds prefer in PVP?

[@Xound_]

I guess take it all with a grain of salt when the information they have says ‘DH’s are OP’, it’s only a problem in low rated PvP from what I can see. WW/Rogue and SV Hunter are all extremely well represented in the AWC. Would think if they were are OP as these guys make up they’d be in every team.

[@Destrolocklols]

AWC is not necessarily representative of what’s OP at lower or higher ratings. Just like in League most top midlaners can pull off Azir but he’s the lowest WR/played mid laner in the entire ladder. Resto shaman fucking sucks yet Absterge and EU teams can pull it off because they bring unique answers to meta comps through worldwide top-tier skills and communication. DHs are definitely way overtuned in BFA yet they are not represented because their playstyle is incredibly one-dimensional (but nothing does it better). Feral fucking sucks, SV isn’t huge, yet jungle does really well in higher ratings because two skilled players paired together can make optimal use of their insane burst and utility while circumventing the obvious class design flaws. Take any other people on these «well-represented » yet actually lower-tier (at least individually) teams into a caster cleave with half a braincell and they won’t win a single game.

[@tonyxthextigre]

That feeling you get when you just found out that DHs are getting hella nerfed.

[@ryanglacier30]

I'm seeing a ferocious bite build on ferals that's 1shotting people lol I think they're closer to B or A but nice list

[@namikazeomar8001]

Yeah me too

[@ZhunterPLUR]

3 weeks after vid came out you commented 1 week after vid came out feral buff

[@dariollanos]

rogue are the only class at s tier??

[@thalkituun5450]

I can't decide as my main character between these 5 : DH, DK, Mage, Rogue or Warlock

[@madsaarestrup8757]

Rogue Rogue Only rogue

[@johanandersson9275]

Ty so much for putting in list I were in an hurry and needed that! Now you earned sub and like

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[@normalratrat]

Thanks for another great PVP video Yall should watch all the way through, dont just skip to the list!

[@a.a.6464]

how is the tierlist for 2s? and which combs will be great? :D

[@killianvanier1708]

does the jungle will still good ?

[@spacetime4158]

Any updates on the melee tier list coming?

[@Swooped117]

They say in the video that they will update it after the expansion comes out.

[@moneyshock]

But who is this anboni guy in some of your clips?

[@thegreatest958]

Hey skilled capped big fan boys , I’m trying to finalize my main I only pvp would you recommend arms war or dk ???? I really like both

[@wow1938]

Maybe DH,ferals will be S tier or A tier in next patches ,who knows 🤔

[@frog7491]

Feral would be cool to see, but why would you ever want DH to be up there?

[@wow1938]

@@frog7491 well I like both of them , I mained feral in wod and it was awesome.

[@pici5533]

Good to see DH at the bottom, hope it stays C tier for years. Also halfway through to A tier and still no sight of any DK spec "starts sweating" oh god, always need a busted hero class xD

[@CptSlow89]

Were enha shamans good in any period of wow?

[@jarnj4550]

BFA Season 1

[@jasonmendoza2044]

In WoD they were beast.

[@ron7308]

Blizz literally said yesterday over the next month they are primarily focussing on balance of classes this was a waste of time >.>

[@joshuaroe1402]

The funny thing is that you actually believe them lol.

[@ron7308]

@@joshuaroe1402 Who me?

[@bellantemazrigos]

Does this account for conduits and legendaries (not sure if legos work in pvp)?

[@vincenzomusella5363]

You didnt watch the video 🤡

[@bellantemazrigos]

Watched the start up to and including enhancement shamans, Noone mentions neither conduits or legos, just that it's from early beta. For example, there's a shaman conduit that makes earth ele give some damage reduction when active I believe, which isn't mentioned. But given that it's from early beta I guess the video is more or less just a very loose expectation to have more to base choice of class upon than having nothing. Legos do work in pvp I've found out in the meantime though.

[@Gozarak]

All hunter part in skill-capped videos are misinforming. Borrowed power helped survival? Sure but look at dh or rog or dk or any class they all benefit from borrowed power some of them even more than hunters. Survival worse in SL? Hell No! Its much better. y You are talking about lack of damage due to removed borrowed power while in every clip the hunter is the top dmg. I would advise Bicmex as a hunter specialist. He is doing really great job in deep testing. Survival damage is still good at this moment its toolkit unchanged but got some extra buff like 5 sec cd reduc for freezing trap, kill shot that is op with venthyr covenant, purge and conduits seems really strong too. Calm down guys hunter keeps its position on the ladder. You really have to know what to do but if you learn the class its gonna be op. Is it good in beginners hands? Luckily NO! (Side note: only downside is the 4 sec pet ress)

[@zexki3280]

Did u watch the video lmao

[@Lyachos]

Why is feral on the botton? It'sa literal god spec right now especially world pvp and battlegrounds should be amazing with it, is this list purely based on arena?

[@昊-w4f]

yep

[@ohmoxide]

Are there any reasons to run say a Prot Pally in arena?

[@ohmoxide]

Nadda thoughts? I was thinking Holy Avenger, Wings, Sanctified Wrath then Shield of Righteous. Thoughts?

[@hurpdurp916]

As a DK main and a DH hater I like what I'm seeing.

[@jeleopard]

how does a DK main have trouble with DHs?

[@baa260]

@@jeleopard lmao your not being serious. Bfa Dh 40 ilvls lower out performs frost dk.

[@baa260]

And UH dk is the lamest spec ever to play

[@hurpdurp916]

@@jeleopard Never said I did. I just generally hate them.

[@jeleopard]

@@baa260 found the dk who struggles with dh

[@Speedahx]

Nice video, very informative as healer. Know your enemy hehe. By the way, will you comment the new response regards PvP itemization from Blizz?

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

We've got a new related video coming out on this tomorrow!

[@tonikunec]

As much as I love Sub rogues or rogues in general, I am really worried about them, especially Sub. The spec is basically top tier in both, PVP and PVE. As we all know Bliz, they are gonna nerf the spec pretty hard before even SL launches, which is unfortunate.

[@manikes7179]

You typed "fortunate" wrong.

[@tonikunec]

@@manikes7179 Hahaha, you wish ;)

[@manikes7179]

@@tonikunec heh :)) even tho, sub needs a serious nerf, it's broken beyond limits. Hopefully they won't kill it.

[@JustAnElderscroll]

Thank you! Great videos

[@Crowback354]

Obscene burst as I watch mages health no move at all from two killing machine obliterates.

[@Tae_94]

I believe at lvl 52 they get an extra 20% dmg increase to OB and 58...an increase to their overall frost dmg. Could be wrong though

[@vincenzomusella5363]

Get good

[@someone_else303]

3:31 best part! hope they get nerfed even more!

[@robertserban2422]

Yeah,one could hope

[@ziggs123]

Not nerved neccessary, but reworked, so you need some kind of skill to perform. To many things are passiv on dh. Fel barrage should never be meele range. Glaves should do more damage like in legion. So you can play a mix of caster/meele again, I liked legion playstyle.

[@someone_else303]

@@ziggs123 they had their primetime. They deserve to fall down the ladder.

[@philippecote8571]

BUFF ENHANCE, WE'VE BEEN A TIER FOR 4 MONTHS IN BFA S1 AND C TIER FOR 4 YEARS OUTSIDE OF THAT.

[@vincenzomusella5363]

More like 15 years, time to reroll buddy

[@card969]

Good thing none of this matters. We all know the real tier list happens after the xpack comes out.

[@yannickb7907]

you do realize that this is based on all the updates they are doing on the beta testing on lvl 60? of course things keep on changing as they continue. But that's why this guy makes a new list every so much time, keeping up with all the changes. But this is the expansion at lvl 60. :)

[@beertech8925]

Hope feral gets a damage buff tho

[@gladnika]

RIP Gargoyle....

[@Prince-qk9xc]

I can’t wait to play frost again 🤫🤫

[@irvingcobian]

Oh wow fury warriors and enhancement shamans are bottom of the barrel that freaking sucks. Arms scored pretty high so I'm sort of excited for that same with DK. Idk I'm on the fence if I want to play again.

[@LeGyLP]

I already know i lost against every sub rogue as a feral :-)

[@LeOssiTrollterrible]

Yes but you are also bad

[@LeGyLP]

Yeah doing less damage because of spec means being bad :-)

[@matheusinguaggiatonorarosa3435]

Hint: add time stamps :)

[@BathgateToushiru]

Legit I play sub since cata, in legion they required so much skill and satyr boots. Always hardest rogue class. And now it will be good. Haha so happyyyt.

[@salarmosavi9189]

I'm really glad to see WW in higher tiers. I haven't played my WW, since legion and I can't even imagine playing my wheelchair Ret in SL !! I don't have enough sanity left to suffer through an entire xp like we did in BFA ! So WW it is for me in SL and I always loved the class and rotation !

[@Destrolocklols]

ww suffered in bfa? lol?

[@salarmosavi9189]

@@Destrolocklols I meant Ret suffered the entire XP. The lack if mobility in pvp and even in pve raid and M+ made me go bald literally. WW was also pretty lackluster the entire BFA as well.

[@Destrolocklols]

@@salarmosavi9189 WW was as overtuned if not more some seasons than rogues through the entire expansion, for PvP.

[@christiantaboada]

Good bye Jungle. You were good while it lasted. EDIT: I like how Arms and Dks are good though so don't nerf them Blizz!

[@omardiaa7146]

hey, love the vids just subbed, what is the name of the song running in the backround cuz i need this tune when im playing

[@thalkituun5450]

When you'l make RDPS & MDPS Tier list for PVE ? I reckon these are same for PVE as well. S Tier in SL (WoW Shadowlands) will be DPS wise & everything wise (PVE + PVP) the following 3 : 1. Subtlety Rogue 2. Frost Mage 3. Shadow Priest

[@rynfear]

I mean surely sub is getting nerfed....right?....RIGHT!?

[@its_walid]

Like always

[@ianneilson9348]

yep, and blizz will nerf it so hard its unplayable again

[@shaun2312]

Unholy is already changed from the making of this video

[@elledan77]

for the better ? :[

[@danielmitchell671]

overwatch for warriors gives ally and the warrior spell reflect, tooltip is misleading. Edit: also miss-shapen mirror legendary is op

[@Dreams-]

survival is keeping latent poison through a legendary, feel like that should be mentioned?

[@stevenjam7119]

As per disc this could all change by tmrw

[@bigdaddygibbs251]

True but I honestly think disc is still #1 pvp healer. Maybe 2nd

[@Exata1337]

@@bigdaddygibbs251 still? were they the best on beta earlier or what do you mean? im fairly sure rdruid has been the long reigning king throughout the entire beta so far? heals to full with one regro, barely has to use mana, etc. anytime i see a disc, they have the exact same issue that never makes them the all around best healer; their mana and actual healing output. granted, healing output seems better in SL, they still go oom before a rdruid has even lost 5% of his mana currently.

[@lukepetherick8643]

Weird going off some of the top glad players this tier list is way off lol

[@dareptor2620]

What are some alternative takes on the upcoming meta?

[@DankMemes-xq2xm]

DH was actually pretty easy to counter in high-rated PvP during BFA. It mainly shined in the lower rated brackets (obv there are plenty of glad DHs, but still) and classes like rogues, locks, and fire mages had much higher burst potential without needing a ton of borrowed power. Meh, that being said, I'm gonna main Sub rogue with a Frost DK alt. I'm bored of DH anyways and playing it without abusing Eyes of Fury haste with Ineffable Truth / Expedient just isn't gonna be fun.

[@bb90flow]

where is prot paladin???

[@uncleb8292]

Get it UA!!

[@AndrewMatl0w]

Ffnmnn

[@DrewDynamiteTV]

Demon Hunters are C tier?! Has hell frozen over?!

[@joshuagodwin8565]

Yes it has! Probably those goddamn frost dk's running amok

[@dirtymightmusic5239]

most of the things that make sub so strong atm are bugs. pretty sure after all of them are fixed they wont be s anymore :D

[@Ghostface4k]

I don't agree with you on the DH rank. DH received a lot of nefs, but that doesn't mean it's been trashed.. It was godlike before the nerfs and now will be just good. Mock my words DH will be in a good place in Shadowlands, and people will still whine about it. Sub rogues on the other hand, got insanely overpowered too early even before the expansion launches, and will get nerfed sooner than others.

[@krisumusic]

I agree, the whole DH is bad in SL feels like a joke to me. DH's will have 25% permanent magic dmg reduction and 40 sec cd on Blur. As long as dmg is good it will be A tier. But I don't mind people rerolling away to rogues.

[@ensanesane]

@@krisumusic last build they nerfed havoc damage too by 1% though just for shits and giggles lol

[@krisumusic]

DH's will have 25% permanent magic dmg reduction and 40 sec cd on Blur. HOW can that be in C tier... really?

[@krisumusic]

@@geekstomper5562 Well of course :) But rogue is a control class, it shouldn't have that kind of dmg. A dh should do more dmg and be tankier. I wish every class/spec had their niche strengths and weaknesses.

[@krisumusic]

@@geekstomper5562 I mained Sub the first few months of BfA. I was doing 3x peoples dmg in mythic + and arenas were crazy. I then played outlaw to 2.5 when they nerfed sub. Sub will NOT remain this OP. My bet is after a while it will be assa all over again once sub gets hit with the nerfs :/

[@FearDotLol]

Where is Protpala? :D

[@yupianzhou]

S++ : all tanks : )

[@ivenstorm]

warriors have been needing buffs for a very long time. We don't need CC, we need ways to get out of CC. Berserker Rage isn't good enough. Yeah it gets us out of things, but for the most part we still get combo CC'd over and over again. If it made us immune to those CC's for 30 seconds it would be fair. Increase the cooldown to 1 1/2-2 mins.