Best value CITIZEN hands on: The Tsuyosa small seconds and the super titanium ‘Forza’ NJ0180

Integrated bracelet watches are HOT. With the Tsuyosa line Citizen watches already had an affordable Rolex Oyster Perpetual in the collection and with the addition of the small seconds NK5010-51L and the new super titanium NJ0180 series I think they have a great Tissot PRX alternative in the ranks. I’m also getting some grand seiko vibes with those dials .. what do you think?
In this video i get hands on with both models in the collection to find out what there is to like or dislike about these... Things to know before you buy.
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[@russellseah2347]

Citizen Super Titanium Forza is Watch of the Year for the build quality, design and price point. Period.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

might well be

[@alfredchen4579]

I have tried on both. The blue one is brilliant when you are suitable for lighter coloured clothes, and super stylish with darker colour as well. The titanium looks quite dim and matt considering the outfits. So I think style wise, go for titanium if you are low profile; go for the steel version if you prefer a more exotic and unique dial. (I have always been wearing the most silm Citizen ecodrive watch, but the steel version doesn't weigh much on hand, which is a plus)

[@RedwoodAggie]

Good points on the style of each. I like the blue, but worry it would be a bit bright and/or clashing with the other blues I typically wear. I think the blue on the titanium model might work better.

[@alfredchen4579]

@RedwoodAggie yeah if you have other blues already, definitely no need to go for this one🙂

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Sounds like a well thought out decision. ;)

[@hendersonshorology]

You have me browsing for one of these! Lovely stuff Tom, appreciate your awesome videos 🙌🏻

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Curious to see where I steered you …

[@RedwoodAggie]

These are solid, if imperfect releases from Citizen. It is exciting to see Citizen really enter the conversation with enthusiasts. I like the super titanium model, with green or blue being my favorites. The white dial is even nice (affordable Snowflake?), but the colors just offer a bit extra style. The clasp is disappointing, but not surprising considering the price and being from a larger brand. I have even seen the Tsuyosa small seconds on discount already. I'm sure the titanium model is not far behind and will become an even better deal in that case. I tried on a bunch of versions of the orignal Tsuyosa last year and was impressed for the money. I am definitely considering getting the titanium model. Thanks for putting these watches in your extremely well shot videos.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Agreeing to what you say. 🤛(Always easy to find citizen below the official prices. )

[@derbagger22]

I have the small seconds Tsuyosa in this blue. For my 7.5" wrist, it fits PERFECTLY. Well balanced and the blue is incredible. It really is the perfect shade. It seems to go with everything as the blue has some green in it. I wear a lot of blue in my clothing and no matter if it's royal, sky, dark or light blue, casual or dressy, it just works.

[@derbagger22]

Also, getting your fingers on the crown when it's out isn't too bad. If I just need to wind it, I just rub my finger against the underneath of the crown and wind it with that one finger. Much easier and fewer scratches on the case, over time.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Thanks for sharing! The blue is incredible. Tried any other straps for it yet ?

[@derbagger22]

@@BowlOfSalmon not yet. The blue leather strap citizen makes for it looks good.

[@bricksandstones5816]

Where can i get the green version of it?

[@derbagger22]

@@bricksandstones5816 it's blue. There is no green yet

[@victorio681]

Probé ambos en la relojería y finalmente tomé la decisión de comprar el Tsuyosa en azul turquesa, para los que decís que es grande, ¿que tamaño de muñeca tenéis? Con mis 17cm se ve perfecto; Ambos en la muñeca se ven prácticamente iguales en tamaño, la diferencia es más sutil y estética por la forma de la caja y esfera; como dial veo mas homogéneo el Tsuyosa con el segundero s las seis, por algún motivo no me convence el segundero a las 5 en el de titanio, pero esto es totalmente subjetivo. Es más ligero sí, pero obvio es titanio frente a acero; cualquier diver de acero es más pesado y hay menos quejas. A mi juicio ambos son muy bonitos y realmente Citizen se está sacando la chorra frente a Seiko y marcas Suizas con estos nuevos relojes que ofrecen muchísimo por tu dinero. Me quedo con este Tsuyosa small second porque definitivamente con ese dial no hay un reloj parecido; pero si te gusta el de titanio con ese estilo más “innovador” tampoco te vas a equivocar, aunque solo me llama la atención el verde; en este tipo de relojes el color del dial cambia totalmente al reloj y te puede encantar o desencantar. Saludos!!

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Solid review 👌

[@victorio681]

@@BowlOfSalmon thanks my friend

[@nurariefnugroho1126]

The success of Citizen Tsuyosa makes Citizen launch successors like Tsuyosa small second & Citizen Forza. Citizen just launching New Series 8 GMT with integrated bracelet likes Tsuyosa shape models. Maybe next Citizen should be release the Tsuyosa Diver. 👍👍👍

[@BowlOfSalmon]

oee a diver .. that would be cool

[@moniquelegarda1842]

My Titanium Forza arrived today, and I am one happy camper.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Congrats man !

[@-BlueX]

The quality of these videos are insane!

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Thanx man

[@Ibra-qv8ls]

You meant that the watches aren't that good LOL

[@julianmoriati4682]

I saw your pics already on HF. I was looking forward to this vid. Perhaps, I grab one myself.

[@Redondo_dom]

OF**

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Bedankt voor je tijd hier dan. Leuke dingen hoor voor deze prijs

[@Ian_CognitoOnIG]

Citizen has been killing it lately! These wear so much better than a PRX and far better value. Love my green Tsuyosa and gold Series 8 GMT

[@BowlOfSalmon]

I need to spend time with a prx I guess. Never did for long

[@talkingabouttime1622]

You know what. I’m really starting to like this bowl of salmon guy! The Ti looks great also! Citizen is killing it in this price range!

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Lol. Thx

[@BrandoDelgado-i7k]

Was just looking at the forza today, love the video and thanks for the info!

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Thanks ! I only found out making the video the us is the only market that had the name Forza for it.

[@bricksandstones5816]

Do you know when the green dial is launching?

[@Awatchguyslife]

Great video! I’ll have to try that titanium on. Looks really good

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Thx for your time here man 🙏

[@vincentschneuwly9783]

I tried them both at the boutique and I totally agree with your conclusions, the Tsuyosa looks great but feels too hefty and bulky on the wrist when the super Titanium wears better being lighter, and I do prefer its dial pattern, so I bought a Super Titanium for a close friend's birthday and for myself you would ask? I bought the new Seiko 5 SNXS which has kind of the same bracelet, which I do really like, than the Tsuyosa and being smaller is way more confortable on the wrist, which makes it IMO the perfect summer watch I was looking for.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

The tsuysa should be fun with a good rubber strap. It’s not a bad watch. Not at all. But I guess I just wanted the total Package to be a a good as the dials look. Or something like that. 😅

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Thx for watching btw !

[@smoove314]

The funny thing with these two watches is that they stuck with the miyota 8000 series. The new small second-hand 8300 introduction mitigates the second hand studer. I wish the Forza would have at least used the Miyota 9000 series.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Yeah … but now it’s silly good priced I guess

[@smoove314]

@BowlOfSalmon Yes, picked up a first release off eBay in the turquoise blue dial for under 200. The panda chronograph looks so classy.

[@maritimuse9127]

Awesome video! I will probably add the super titanium watch to collection in the near future. Might go for the eco-drive chrono though

[@BowlOfSalmon]

The eco drives are cool. Maybe a little more reliable too

[@timepeacelove5837]

A great video Tom! Both look amazing, but I think I’d choose the titanium. Really love that case and agree, the clasp could have used more love, but not a huge deal breaker. Cheers!!

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Thx J. Not a deal breaker at this price point. Just parts of me who wishes they would totally knock it out of the park

[@timepeacelove5837]

@@BowlOfSalmon Anytime! Yes I know, with just a tiny bit more effort and $ spent, it could have fully delivered

[@joakimdam9723]

Would definitely take the solar quartz version.

[@iansegal]

Another great review Tom! 👌🏻 I like the background music.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

thanks ,, about the music: ? when you noticed it does that mean it was too loud ? :s

[@iansegal]

@@BowlOfSalmon No not at all. It was a nice wallpaper tune to the edit.

[@Dialandhands]

The new titanium models are definitely the winners over the Tsuyosas. The hands on the steel models are just to skinny.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

I have no complaints about the dials on tbh. Elegant. The titanium feels more original somehow

[@Dialandhands]

@@BowlOfSalmon I love the dials. It’s just the hands on the steel tsuyosas. The titanium models definitely look the best and have proper hand proportions.

[@samuelkim2611]

Strongly agreed !!!

[@irvinnwin]

Do you think the Rolex datejust hands are too skinny?

[@Dialandhands]

@@irvinnwin now that you point it out…yes😅😂

[@danish.s]

I was looking for a comparison of these 2 models for a while! Though I'm still undecided, i'm leaning towards the small seconds since i want sometbing more dressy and I like to look of the dial and bracelet quite a bit more. Might consider the Eco-drive version of the titanium as an addition afterwards

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Thx for your time. But different watches so depends on the goal I guess

[@danish.s]

​@@BowlOfSalmon agreed. Already got the metal casioak G-Shock as my rugged, "sporty" model so the small seconds it is. It also helps that I'm seeing discounts on it already since it released a bit earlier than the titanium ones!

[@FuegoBoricua203]

I hope some company out there will make a better bracelet upgrade for this watch then it will be perfect

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Bracelet. Not sure. But rubber straps , they will jump on it I’m sure

[@What_is_ai_anyway]

Weird choice for the super Forza to go with the lower grade movement and the same stamped clasp as the basic tsuyosa.. actually makes the tsuyosa small seconds more compelling with current discounts imo

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Maybe that’s the idea. Idk.

[@What_is_ai_anyway]

@@BowlOfSalmonCouldn’t figure it out so I got both 😅

[@danielgillrup9518]

Both watches are just 2-3mm too big. Hopefully they offer more sizes in the future

[@BowlOfSalmon]

But do try the forza. Wears a little smaller than size suggests.

[@keithburford8589]

Good stuff as ever Tom. The offset small seconds on the Titanium appeals to me but a couple of negatives do not. I like to feel that I have something on the wrist and the only Titanium watch that actually does is a ruddy joke , yes the Rolex Deep Sea Challenge !. Personally I think it would look better sans date as the proximity to the sub seconds looks a tad cluttered. So in stainless minus the date I would probably give it whirl as for the money Citizen have been releasing some pretty good affordable pieces of late.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Personal tastes. I got used to it. And learned to love it rather quickly.

[@weppingtonhardcastle8199]

Citizen is on fire right now

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Sure are 🔥 thx for watching

[@timetexas1518]

Really nice looking watches!

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Something there to appeal to a lot of ppl

[@devstories-iv1mw]

I am waiting for them to create a bit smaller versions like 38mm

[@BowlOfSalmon]

maybe they will do quartz... the super titanium wears a little smaller than size suggest imho. do try it

[@devstories-iv1mw]

@@BowlOfSalmon It would be nice. Yup, have to try it

[@dultanur]

Citizen have replaced seiko in the entry level for me, including the pro master series. Looks great,very good entry level movements at a great price. I can easily forgive the bracelets, they had to save somewhere. I might just swap my blue tsuyosa for the new ti model…

[@BowlOfSalmon]

there is a lot of truth in this

[@Harisampath]

If only the colour matched the date wheel 😫

[@BowlOfSalmon]

There is a white dial …

[@samnova450]

Looking for more colors to come out in the US market.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Undoubtedly. What model are you eyeing most ?

[@Phaevryn]

But can you use straps with them?

[@BowlOfSalmon]

I feel you know the answer

[@SoeUnfiltered]

Is that 3kliksphilip's Atomic Amnesia?

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Probably

[@bricksandstones5816]

Hello sir i am looking to buy the green dial but i am not able to find the exact color in the same model in the United states. Can you please help me out?

[@BowlOfSalmon]

might be a euro version

[@bricksandstones5816]

@@BowlOfSalmon do you know the launch date for it in america?

[@shubsodhi5986]

where can I buy one in canada? Someone please let me know kindly.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Green could be the euro version. I’m Not sure

[@kennethchong6752]

I will be perfect if its eco drive and 37mm bezel

[@jamest6373]

They do an eco drive version at 39mm! Look it up

[@Leaptab]

Why not centre, my OCD!

[@BowlOfSalmon]

part of the charm

[@samuellinchen5793]

Where can i buy it in the US?

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Google will help ;)

[@Chou005]

Even i can afford to buy luxury watches...i always choose tactical watches..

[@BowlOfSalmon]

i tend to lean towards tools a lot too

[@user-yu1pm9vj8j]

€379 and €429

[@BowlOfSalmon]

True. But I usually don’t mention exact prices because they are outdated fast

[@user-yu1pm9vj8j]

@@BowlOfSalmon I mention them because people want to know.

[@0x2fd]

How accurate they are

[@0x2fd]

6:04 I found it

[@0x2fd]

Can anyone recommend me an affordable titanium watch with quartz movement

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Solid question. Perhaps I should find a quartz lineup to feature.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Check out RZE and the mecaquartz

[@georgecupac1202]

its okay but its not a Seiko turtle.

[@BowlOfSalmon]

That’s an icon for seiko

[@ummar02]

That’s not my cup of tea or rather go for tissot PRX

[@BowlOfSalmon]

I get that. I think The tissot prx is great and perhaps a safer design overall to appeal to more

[@ummar02]

Exactly

[@TinBin-Craig]

nice watch i love it ... but intergrated bracelet i hate it .. will not buy one cheers

[@BowlOfSalmon]

Fun to change it up once in a while ? Aftermarket bracelets will come

[@electricjoshaloo]

That really is a shame about the clasp on the titanium. It does look cheap. I was gonna run out and grab one but maybe gotta think about it now

[@BowlOfSalmon]

True but again. They had to cut a corner somewhere I suppose. Still a solid new line

[@electricjoshaloo]

yeah for sure...great looking watches for the price. I want one.