Best Way to Set Gear Mesh on Arrma Kraton Talion Outcast Notorious Senton Typhon

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[@nathancunningham8717]

Loctite 262 threadlocker. I use it all the time for my ARs because it's Blue/Med strength but is also high-temp 450° rated. What I use on my motor screws and has held up so far

[@huckaberryfpv4986]

Ben doing this for years but catch myself watching all your vids,learn something here and there so it's a plus,thanks for tour posts,when I built my outkast watched your must haves,and it's been pretty bullet proof only breakage was wingmount,and front cvd due to cold weather 20 degrees and windchill:)

[@RoseCityReptilesTX]

Exactly what I was looking for, thank you

[@juneel4124]

Good job, will be preforming this instal tonight

[@buddytee9]

Top notch video my friend... you broke it down Barney style as to where I couldn't even mess it up... Thanks. Truth be told I was doing it the hard way.

[@mikeb.2166]

Thanks for this very helpful video! Great clear closeups to show exactly how much gap there should be between gears! MU Kraton v2 is making some louder noises from that center drive gear - I will start by checking the mesh as I think it maybe too tight. Hope that is it.

[@unknown.z34_33]

Still a great video 2 years later. Using on my typhon 6s!

[@JAM76ER]

Best pinion video! Thanks man!

[@danielnavarro8569]

Nice video,well explained and easy to do,thanks for sharing!

[@therccollaborative9524]

thanks

[@alanaucote795]

Beautifully done, now I know how to do it properly. 👍

[@ponypwr]

Mesh is a success! Thanks brother!

[@therccollaborative9524]

Thanks for watching!

[@TylerBlackburne]

about to change over the pinion on my Talion v3, thanks for the demonstration

[@millerkenzo7581]

I know it's pretty randomly asking but does anyone know of a good website to watch new movies online ?

[@harleybraylon5602]

@Miller Kenzo I would suggest FlixZone. Just search on google for it =)

[@daltonalessandro272]

@Harley Braylon yup, I have been using Flixzone for since march myself :D

[@millerkenzo7581]

@Harley Braylon Thanks, I signed up and it seems to work =) I appreciate it !!

[@harleybraylon5602]

@Miller Kenzo happy to help :)

[@miztaangeluz]

great tutorial.... Thanks man!

[@kimoeh]

Proper job 👌

[@blklacker]

I came here for that mesh knowledge...beautiful tick tok

[@whitenas]

Nicely done.

[@ridinglow1701]

I book marked it. Finally an informative Arrma video

[@therccollaborative9524]

Hey buddy I got several arrma how to videos, check out my arrma playlist

[@trrc9276]

Hi do you give the spur gear and pinion some kind of oil?

[@craigmac1516]

great video ...keep them coming....

[@jc51373]

great tutorial...Was that the 1515 motor?

[@craigmac1516]

how do you like those sweeps terrain crushers ??? what surface do they work best on for you ??? i have them as well as some pro line shock waves not sure which i like best yet...

[@craigbeckwith258]

Well after I have set the mesh just like you it's make a noise when you give full throttle I have check all my gears there is no problem but can't seem to find the problem can you help please

[@3SonsRC]

I only put loctite on the grub screw not the actual shaft of the motor? And I used blue.... That ok??

[@troyflanagan4237]

So if i under this right THE mesh has to be in line with THE different gear and spur gears and the input gears run with the Differential gears i mean grind against each other so the Truck works properly but the input gear is plastic and grinds against the Differential gears which are metal so my gears stripp real fast or slowly against the metal differentials gears i guess it all depends on how hard i drive it and how fast and how many times i drive it whats the spur gears part when Running my 4s kraton 2400kv Motor fully stocked i have a spectrum smart charger and 2 spectrum Batterys 1s a mah 5000mah 14.8 50c THE other is a mah5000 14.8 100c Battery with 2 cooling fans 1 at the front and 1 At the Back of Truck with stx spectrum controller and SERVO its a stx 2 spectrum controller BUT right now as i write this to you my Truck is in the shop with gear problems the input gear that grinds against the Differential gears the spur gear i don't know WHAT plays in the Truck my Question to you is should i go All Metal gears and then shimm them This Avanced Truck is like brand New i bought it back in middle of May for $900Dollars and plus slipper Clutch comes loose After about 7 or 8 runs Iam a Newbie to this Truck just know the basics on fixing it but i want to learn a lot more so i can fix it myself when serious with it goes wrong so i would like to read and hear some Advice on what i should do with the gears leave them the way they are or go All Metal or Aluminum gears and shimm them i know Nothing is wrong with my driveshaft or Else i would be able to Drive it at All or steer the front wheels don't know if iam making sense just stressed out and tired so please Respond asapAnybody out there

[@SamCyanide]

thanks, mine got destroyed because it was too loose then I set it too tight. It looked fine when I meshed it but you can't see inside the transmission on the big rock, so once the spur is seated it's impossible to know if the mesh is ok

[@MrKingNica]

Thank you so much for video

[@AdrenalineAshRC]

Cool stuff bro subbed ya 😎👊🏼

[@ajojoseph6052]

I have always used the paper trick, if the piece comes out like an accordion, mesh is good. If it tears, too tight. No accordion, too loose. Your method is easier to handle the motor. Adam Drake uses a more precise method.

[@timothykees6187]

Good Job 👍🏽

[@therccollaborative9524]

thanks

[@The8429]

I would like to see a video on how to install hot racing spool in an typhon.

[@therccollaborative9524]

I think there are 2 different options from hot racing, there is the spool and the diff locker. I think it would be easy to use the locker. I think you just replace all the internal gears with it. Let me know if you need help. I don't have one to show you

[@The8429]

I don’t have one either, yet. I’m a little afraid to tackle it

[@keystoners2007]

Hot racing motor mount doesnt hold motor secure enough.. i have a 1680kv leopard motor an it couldnt handle the torque kept stripping pinions.. under torque the mount was flexing.. went back to factory mount an problem gone...

[@LayneSteighlee]

so, you can put the pinion gear on either way? I saw you had it on one way, and took it out and reversed it...that is fine to do? this is a newb asking...

[@therccollaborative9524]

You can do it either way, whatever gives you better fitment or easier to install. Just make sure Allen screw is 100% on the shaft but hanging over partially

[@LayneSteighlee]

@@therccollaborative9524 Thanks, I screwed up on putting a pinion on..and didn't know it had to be screwed down against the "flat" part on the motor...so my set screw wasn't flush with the pinion and ate away a bit of my motor mount...i hope that isn't an issue when i put the pinion back on, properly this time.

[@therccollaborative9524]

@@LayneSteighlee should be just fine buddy just fix it use loctite and send it

[@LayneSteighlee]

@@therccollaborative9524 got another noob question, while I still have your attention :)....so, when i take the motor out I know the driveshafts will fall off the side of my middle differential (I have an Arrma Mojave)....lets, say I take the driveshafts out of the OTHER end, lay them on the table and forget which side went into the middle differential...does it matter which side goes in? I know one driveshaft is longer than the other (at least on my model), so they only go in one way....lol I hope that made sense, it is late and I don't know what the heck im talking about. hence why I am watching tons of videos to learn.

[@LayneSteighlee]

@@therccollaborative9524 actually i think its called a dogbone...look at this photo... www.arrma-rc.com/assets/images/RUCVRYBHZHTHB6QPKRW3H8UKHD8T8AZ4NKX92GNBQ9VMQKW2FE.jpg Does it matter which way the ends of this shaft go? can either end go into either differential?

[@hercule75]

Hi, i purchase a Senton 6S for Me and a Senton Mega 4X4 brushed motor for my son On our 1st run, and then the 2nd this morning, the brushed Mega 4X4 run for 10/15 minutes approximatively and then doesn't want to go forward or brake/reverse, the servo is still working i can turn the wheels right and left. i thought it was a battery problem, but with a fully charged battery the truck run for 10 seconds and then it happens again. I read on the internet that Senton Mega 4X4 have some issues on its esc. did you hear once that issue on brushed motor cause it's a brand new toy and my little boy seems so disappointed each time its truck looks out of order :/ thanks !

[@tharealgc]

Sounds like faulty battery to me too to be honest... My granite can still turn wheels when the battery hits Voltage Protection (Low Battery) but wont move back or forth, so either it's a flat battery or a bad battery!?

[@therccollaborative9524]

It's hard to say what's wrong without more information. Like battery type and voltage Next time it happens let car sit for 20 minutes and run it again same battery without charging it. If it works fine after resting its an overheating issue

[@D70racing]

Good job. What motor are you running? I’m currently going through a major upgrade overhaul on my v3 Kraton. I was considering changing out the stock motor. There’s nothing wrong with it, but I thought perhaps I could improve it. I’m installing a MAX6 esc, and I was looking at the HW 4274 2200kv sensorless motor. When I went to my lhs they pretty much talked me out of it, stating it’s pretty much the same motor. I had the blx motor with me, and it’s identical in every way. Except for a slightly higher kv 2050 vs 2200. I use my Kraton more like a race buggy, chasing my friends around a dirt field or even a track. Not really into huge jumps, or high speed asphalt runs. Any advice would be appreciated. If I can’t come up with a good upgrade motor, than I guess I’ll continue to run the stocker.

[@therccollaborative9524]

You will be better off with the stock motor.

[@newtonfoster7581]

Hey Mr. MAX6, get you what I did with that ESC, go to the R//C JUICE site, purchase either one of these 4092's by HobbyStar, I purchased the 1450kv, but they make a 1730kv also, can't go wrong with either. On mine I was running a 22T and a 24T pinion, swapped back and forth at times but I stopped running 6S, 4S was all I needed

[@ridinglow1701]

What do you do when 2 of the screws on the bottom are rounded off from the factory?

[@ridinglow1701]

Any suggestions?

[@therccollaborative9524]

@@ridinglow1701 I had just had to fix the same thing on my mugen buggy. I should have made a video. But here are the steps. 1. Drill off the head of the screws and don't damage or drill the chassis. 2. When the mount is in your hand the screws will be flush with the mount where you can't grab them, its ok. 3. Use drimmel and cut off wheel and cut a groove in the center of the broken bolt, you will have to cut into the mount but it's ok. 4. After you cut groove heat up the broken screw and mount with a torch or heat gun to destroy the threadlock 5. Using flat head screw driver with a small head to unscrew the broken bolt. Without the tension of the chassis and the thread lock being heated it should easily unscrew. 6. Buy MIP tools and this shouldn't happen again 7. Go have fun and tell people to subscribe to rc Collaborative

[@ridinglow1701]

Thanks Jeremy ill try it

[@locomotive282]

That is an insane amount of red loctite!

[@speckledjim_]

Best way to strip screws is with red loctite, loads of people have complained to arrma about their use of red loctite. If you must use loctite use the blue stuff

[@therccollaborative9524]

You gotta know what your doing... if you use red then you should expect to pre heat it before you remove it. If you do that it's really no issue

[@speckledjim_]

@@therccollaborative9524 your absolutely right but there are lots of people who are maybe new to the hobby and don't know, I tend to avoid the heat treatment hassle and just use the blue, it holds the screw almost as tightly

[@therccollaborative9524]

@@speckledjim_ well honestly I use heat to remove blue as well. It's just a safe best practice as it greatly reduces risk of stripping with a little heat. Some of these screws get re installed several times with blue and it builds up over time holding as strong as red. I like to set a threshold of torque applied with tools, if I can't remove a screw gently with 50% torque then I stop and use heat before I go higher pressure using tools. I hope that makes sense.

[@VEEZER1]

5:21

[@razxx1]

how you suppose to here the tick

[@therccollaborative9524]

you slap the gears back and forth so that they hit each other like shown in the video, rock it back and forth, see how much play there is

[@darrenkeogh3321]

Can’t hear the tick tock due to the music

[@paulrakis]

You shouldn't do it like that. Just use the slid in motor mount. you're doing it all wrong that is the very difficult way of doing it your defeats the whole purpose of the slide and motor mount. All you do is just slide it in and feel for the mesh with your finger that's it. Gears will just have alittle play and u tighting them up. simple. nobody does It your way. If you look at the instructions in the manual it will tell you just to slid it in place. Very easy

[@mikescallon4288]

Agreed. I have changed a good number of pinion gears in my day but I find the Talion to be tricky because the metal gears make it a loud truck. There is a way to get it to quiet down because I have done it before but am having trouble this time around so I figured I would look to get a refresher. This way looks effective but it is time consuming and risky given all of the bolts with Loctite on them. Much bigger risk of stripping something doing it this way if you are not incredibly careful.

[@newtonfoster7581]

You're making this entirely too difficult!!! All you need to do is purchase and install a Hot Racing style motor mount that has a lock down bolt on top and there you have it sports fans!!! Anyone running the factory motor mount, please do yourself a favor and listen to what I just said

[@therccollaborative9524]

I agree on the hot racing mount but I'm not making anything difficult, this is for people who don't have a hot racing mount. The hr mount is one of my recommended upgrades in the master list video

[@newtonfoster7581]

@@therccollaborative9524 why not just show them how easy it is with a Hot Racing style mount? This video is a waste of time

[@radiocontrolsoul]

@@newtonfoster7581 not everyone has the hot racing nor do they want to purchase such

[@johnnycash7803]

@@newtonfoster7581 man you are a real jerk

[@keystoners2007]

Hot racing motor mount is trash.. to much flex..