Sparking! Zero - What if Goku turned Super Saiyan against Vegeta

[@KamiPain75]

Krilin dying so Goku can archieve Super Saiyan is a canon event.

[@fegito9206]

No wonder Goku was so concerned someone died when Trunks transformed.

[@footballroxx24]

@@fegito9206I never ever thought of it like that. I’m 26 , wtf

[@ziggyz8345]

This time goku gets super saiyan early and so does vegeta, krillin dies early also along with piccolo so goku has to go to namek alone, he eventually revives everyone, vegeta kept his tail also since yajirobe didn't show up and they eventually part ways on namek

[@Ruceburner]

Nah, he'd go supersayian 2

[@mohamedanoofshaheem707]

Future Trunks: “Master Gohan, I don’t feel so good”

[@TruthTellerTV]

Nah, Goku lets him live again.

[@Hex_Hub_Plus]

😂😂😂😂

[@kjjacobs9487]

This comment hit so hard

[@sykobandit1515]

We already know changing the past wouldn’t change the future it would just make another timeline

[@W_Junior]

It wouldn't change anything for his time line

[@kgosch1]

I love the disconnect between the cut-scenes, and then the "invincible" bad guy getting the absolute crap beat out of them in the actual gameplay lol

[@kongzillatoho4558]

If Goku turned super saiyan in the saiyan saga right in front of Vegeta, Vegeta would just kill himself right on the spot

[@streetguru9350]

He would probably run as soon as he saw the yellow hair and his attacks did nothing.

[@Californiaconversation]

True 😂

[@airis789]

His reaction would probably be the same as he saw broly turn legendary Saiyan for the first time.

[@DontKnowDontCare6.9]

Vegeta: (crying) I WANNAA... I WANNA BE A SUPER SAIYAN! I WANNA! I WANNA!

[@Eliphas_Elric]

@@airis789HE’S SO COOL, BUT HE’S SO DUMB!

[@fungertype2631]

I think a more canon Vegeta would feel more fear and confusion, seeing that the lower class Saiyan has a transformation, he would try to attack with everything he has but if he sees that it has no effect he would feel fear and even more so if you think that Goku is possibly the super Saiyan

[@silentecho92able]

An he would be thinking that if Goku is this so called Super Saiyen of legend. Then it would mean one thing Goku would be able to stand up against Freiza and avenge the Saiyen race.

[@GokuNoyd]

I think Vegeta would run away considering any character that is clearly more powerful than vegeta he runs away. Beerus power made vegeta not even try to fight.

[@lapure2220]

​@@GokuNoydclearly no time wasting he would vanish while being shocked 😂😂

[@davide7933]

@@GokuNoydi don’t think so. He would ask for pity,and ask to kill frieza. In this what if, I bet,he would admire goku instead of hating

[@raditztherunt9288]

​@GokuNoyd apart from beerus, which in my opinion is dumb with super logic, when has vegeta actually run away? And don't say after his fight during the saiyan saga, he got jumped and left after his fight

[@JayCR33D]

I just did it myself. For those who dunno how. You NEED to go with Piccolo, kill Raditz fast. Then some time later you’ll fight Vegeta, when he transforms to great ape, kill him fast.

[@leonardoliquin3339]

You're my hero man, ty

[@Austin-bc1yh]

​@leonardoliquin3339 Another tip. On the story screen with the big map, blue lines are non canon timelines and during a fight that has 2 branches you can pause and check the "alternate conditions" i know the one for this 1 will say you have to win quickly against raditz but its a non specified time on the condition screen. I managed to do all the what ifs for the saiyan saga easily because of this. Although the toughest saiyan saga what if fight was trying to beat the ENTIRE ginyu squad with kaioken grade goku alone...

[@jacobslater485]

Thank you

[@joevile240]

​@Austin-bc1yh The Ginyu Gauntlet is currently kicking my ass. The AI counter/vanish spam is unreal. Every tip I've seen for them is to just cheese with supers/ultimate.

[@solomonscaletta3947]

4:41 Goku: you’re not dealing with the average saiyan anymore

[@donlapham1265]

Are we REALLY doing this again?

[@stuffzluvverz_7665]

Yeah he was super prepared

[@jeraldwashingtonjr5641]

The developers watched Lonely's Archieve

[@jeremiahwilliams4016]

Nah they binge watched em ​@@jeraldwashingtonjr5641

[@skaterboi65]

Vegeta would not uave called it some little power up. He would have instantly known this was the super Saiyan transformation

[@Nephetssings]

He starts realizing it

[@DontKnowDontCare6.9]

Canonicaly, no Saiyan actually knows what a Super Saiyan is. Even Frieza and Vegeta thought it was an Osaru Transformation.

[@googleeatsassdude]

No, he would have no idea what it looked like and he also has no clue ssj is a transformation. For half of the Namek saga he believes he is one already.

[@umcaraqualquer3640]

He wouldn't. He spent half the Namek saga fantasizing about what it was, and then deluding himself in believing he was already the one

[@ferratae]

Goku: I will never forgive you for this!! Dragon ball Super: 👬

[@Aeis_Arcade]

I agree with some of the people in the comments, Vegeta wouldnt care about any rivalry, he would think Goku was the Saiyan of Legend and tell him all about Frieza. He would instantly have hope.

[@NoahToledo-xo5pj]

No he wouldn't. He would get butthurt over it and try to get the form as soon as possible, just like how he did in the series

[@EMDakka]

@@NoahToledo-xo5pj Yes,he would, but he would ALSO capitalize on the legend to topple frieza, so he'd "manipulate" goku into getting frieza.

[@boppo6208]

@@EMDakkatho he did achieve the legend itself and didn’t need to do all that tbh

[@AutumnPlains]

@@EMDakkaVegeta only wanted Frieza dead so he could become the emperor of the universe. This is the original canon reason. If Vegeta needs help to kill Frieza, then this conflicts with his original goal.

[@exonzigma]

nah at this time he was too proudful to ask for help, even so from the *lower class* saiyan like he thought Kakarot is

[@alvaroperez2349]

4:50 for someone who’s the prince of Saiyans, he sure doesn’t know his own race too well.

[@neoramaredzone8544]

I mean not like anyone has seen a super saiyan in a millennia

[@meikisaragi1445]

I think, Vegeta only learned of the Super Saiyan in the namek arc? I'm not sure though.

[@gamerogre5356]

Well seconds later he did realize that it might be the "legendary super saiyan" it is kind of funny of him not knowing because he did a mention a magical change in hair color it is like vegeta jr from GT where he said that they can turn blonde

[@Anonymous20242]

​@meikisaragi1445 nah he knows before Namek, it's just that they don't know what a super saiyan looks like

[@Dylan-xx2tk]

And he calls himself prince of the space warriors...

[@TheSydneyLad]

I always wanted this What If. Except in my mind, I always imagined Vegeta would stop his current mission and ask Goku to go kill Frieza.

[@silentecho92able]

If things play out roughly the same like in canon, Goku on his way to Namek will have time to train and master Super Saiyen and he would be way stronger then when he fought Freiza in Canon. Maybe even unlock Super Saiyen 2 in that fight and it will just be a one sided stomp. An Vegeta too might unlock the transformation in turn with training from Goku.

[@DracoMonge]

@@silentecho92able SPOILERS After this fight, the what if still keeps going. The way it happens here, Goku goes to Namek alone looking for the dragon balls, but when he gets there, Frieza is already defeated. Vegeta transformed into a super saiyan and killed Frieza, and now is trying to get the dragon balls. You have to fight him, and after you win, they become rivals. Not exactly friends yet, but Vegeta starts to actually respect Goku, and goes away.

[@Kidrobot_fan]

We got this in Budokai 2 I believe and maybe 3 as well. I do remember a lot of what if episodes, like what if Cooler came to earth instead of King Cold

[@agamerscoven]

@@DracoMongedoubt Trunks would be born.

[@DanteYT-cp5zj]

4:49 You shut your mouth, Sean still got it

[@justarandombluebird8222]

You should've seen his take on Lego monkey kid it's basically his Goku voice

[@mattb6369]

@@justarandombluebird8222 He was phenomenal as Amidamaru in the original Shaman King anime.

[@christianlaursen3234]

He was like bruh

[@palabanamu9753]

bwuh!

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

So I’m running the numbers in my head… If Goku had at least 8,000 in Power Levels during this timeframe, and SSJ 1 is a 50X Multiplier at minimum, Goku would have a good power level of 400,000. That would put Goku as he is now just under Frieza’s lowest known power level in the Namek saga of 500,000. Of course by the time he WOULD get to Namek, he’ll have trained extensively anyway, so the game would close FAST.

[@joshuawilliams3183]

If I remember vegeta was 17k power level and great ape was a 10 times multiplier, putting him at 170k max, he would've still lost to goku in his ape form but would've standed a better chance than in his base form. When I saw goku destroy the artificial moon, I knew it was game over.

[@MrKorpez]

Goku would have never reached power level 8000 without king kai

[@SHSLRuby]

​@@MrKorpezhe beat nappa putting him at over 3K (most like

[@SHSLRuby]

​@@MrKorpezsure, but he'd be strong enough to take care of vegeta anyhow, Piccolo was 3.5K in canon, and it's likely with goku training with them, it reached even higher, even lowballing and giving Goku 4K (it'd most likely be 6K), the 50x puts him at 200K, making him still stronger than Vegeta

[@gadget_gadge]

and Vegeta in ssj who is weaker than ssj Goku, somehow killed Frieza

[@GMKGoji01]

4:41 PFF! First he goes Super, now he does the one thing he hasn't thought of in the original canon?!😂

[@Betabrawler]

Goku iq also got a multiplier apparently.

[@GMKGoji01]

@@Betabrawler This is the best what if I've ever seen!

[@ImpactFrame]

​@@BetabrawlerThat 50x IQ boost is no joke!

[@legendery_4772]

​@@Betabrawlerhow I download this game

[@fezzy5591]

​@@legendery_4772You buy it

[@ricekrispies4994]

this would be the biggest whiplash for vegeta, he’s absolutely beating the Shit out of goku and then suddenly his hair turns gold and now he’s stronger than frieza

[@GPJ1015]

I got it now! The only way to get to the what if saga is to get Goku fight alone against Raddiz

[@IlTsuIl]

I did it but nothing happened what should I do

[@GPJ1015]

@@IlTsuIl well…maybe you should try not get Goku sacrificed himself, that might’ve been another choice from their

[@dankerbell]

@@IlTsuIl you have to beat raditz really fast otherwise piccolo will still help you, if you hear piccolo's dialogue during the fight it might be too late

[@_keno5100]

Nah, you have to beat Raditz quickly. That’s how you get it.

[@DracoMonge]

Just beat Raditiz before the battle ends. It always ends automatically, even if you don't completly beat Raditz, so you have to be fast and defeat him. I'm not sure how much time you have, but it can be easily done by entering sparking mode and spaming rush attacks + ultimate.

[@12nykid]

Vegeta: Please don’t break my butt. Goku: okay Vegeta: truly? Goku: No

[@DjhettTV]

"Your hair color...it changed !" "You see Vegeta, your not dealing with the average Saiyan anymore !" "Nooooooo......."

[@mawile3037]

Crazy how I got this timeline first simply for completely dunking on Raditz and going it alone

[@AnonymouslyPoignant]

Every single what if from all those db youtubers are coming true rn

[@gundamdetractor337]

Goku: "I will never forgive you!" also Goku: 7:17 me when i see Patches in any Souls game and in any form: "You need to go." 💥 ☝

[@HarryAyA]

I love that this game present a slightly different version of what could have been. It still follows the core storyline but still feels refreshing by being slightly different.

[@thejoeyjoey]

lol did they forget the super saiyan scream?

[@DomainExpansion1911]

Yea lol

[@tabrisss818]

HORRIBLE GAME 🤓🤓🤓

[@blueshot333]

Its so loud, it broke the sound barrier

[@MichaelN.7]

1/10 rage bait ​@@tabrisss818

[@tabrisss818]

@@MichaelN.7 I’m just mocking the people who complained about everything in this game 🤓🤓🤓

[@Nozzinator]

You need to fight Raditz with piccolo and beat him in under 3 minutes, goku should survive the encounter.

[@qb8628]

1:41 crazy how quickly the cutscene gets into action

[@greekzeus9818]

These are just in-game cutscenes lol.

[@qb8628]

@@greekzeus9818 yah but it’s still very impressive how it transitions

[@greekzeus9818]

@@qb8628 Not at all lol. Did you ever play a single videogame? Mgsv did that so much better, much smoother.

[@qb8628]

⁠ not just talking about how smooth…yes mgsv was like a movie, way ahead of its time..I’m only saying how quick that transition was from great ape cut scene then straight into the fight… it was crazy to me. The last dragon ball z game I played was tenkaichi 3 where the in game cutscenes had their time and place…this one has the cutscenes integrated with the action it’s really cool looking

[@Jakevoss96]

​@@qb8628low standards lol

[@mitchellmartin4580]

"Even with your power up, it doesn't change the fact that you're low-class scum!"- Vegeta said, while receiving a world-class ass-beating.

[@undisclosedidentity9893]

6:10 Goku: “Jokes on you Vegeta, I AM the legendary Super Saiyan”

[@yunan9610]

The fight would've ended in a single flick if that were to happen

[@carldesrosiersisabelle1075]

"With Piccolo dead, the Dragon Balls are gone..." "And Krillin... he's already been killed once and can never be revived again!" "I will never, EVER FORGIVE YOU FOR THIS!!!" i imagine myself fighting my brother after he turned against me.

[@John.Philip.Tan876]

So if Goku got a Zenki boost from that bean to reach 20,000 and then turned Super Saiyan, he'd already be as strong as 2nd form Frieza. And poor Vegeta didn't learn to read power levels yet by this time.

[@dingo702]

Thats cool. I remember how awesome it was having bardock turn SS against freezer in one of the old games

[@mattb6369]

I would've loved it if they gave Goku the midway "False" Super Saiyan status here that he used in DBZ movie 4 against Slugg.

[@ultraplayer4594]

I want that voiceclip of goku saying "you shut your mouth!"

[@FasinatingTurtle]

DUDE OH MY GOD THIS GAME LOOKS SO SICKKKKK🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@greekzeus9818]

Looks like a cheap version of Fortnite.

[@FasinatingTurtle]

@@greekzeus9818 nah but this better tho

[@parkout95]

​@@greekzeus9818bro the graphics are trying to mimic an anime and it's working. You seriously were excepting a RDR 2 graphical upgrade?

[@fezzy5591]

​@@parkout95Seems like he was expecting that 🤡

[@no_misaki]

@@greekzeus9818 It's look easily a generation ahead of fortnite. Idk what you're smoking.

[@Donatas-rp5yf]

They did an animation very well😊

[@snowe8]

Rememeber when TFS Krillin saying he was happy he didn't die in this saga? Peppridge Farm remembers

[@lecafeharicot]

God, these videos are gonna be great for my references.

[@Eternaldarkness3166]

this could work in series, since Goku had a hard time activating it at first after his first time, all of the fights with Frieza's men could have happened the way they did and during Frieza's fight, Goku could have had another epic transformation moment during that also.

[@juanjosemendivil1626]

[Great Ape Vegeta is kicking everyone's ass] "I have no idea what the articles are going on about. I was casually playing, and i managed to beat him."

[@ImagineTone]

I lost it at, "you shut your mouth!" 😂😂😂

[@adrianhill8203]

do kid goten what if

[@fjod1689]

Not even Vegeta Ozaru at full health would have stood a chance against this Goku.

[@adrianhill8203]

4:21 goku's starting to transform

[@sibuna51sbn19]

3:18 This is the first interaction between Goku and Chaos.

[@heltonferrazfonseca3645]

Goku SSJ 1 400.000 BP Vs Vegeta 18.000 seems unfair LUL

[@ultranicogames6732]

Wow, no tengo lo suficiente para jugar el Sparking! Zero pero este What If me gustó, Goku destruyó la luna para que Vegeta vuelva a su forma normal ☠☠☠☠

[@Firefly-III-bw]

how to access this what if ?

[@Turtlemasterboy2524]

prevent goku from dying in the fight with raditz and beat vegeta ozzaru super fast

[@Firefly-III-bw]

@@Turtlemasterboy2524 tysm

[@Firefly-III-bw]

@@Turtlemasterboy2524 still cant access it its from goku's main story right ?

[@Turtlemasterboy2524]

@@Firefly-III-bw Yes

[@axelbueso5547]

​@Turtlemasterboy2524 do you have to go alone or with piccolo

[@AnimeViewer181]

At this point in time, Goku power level was 8000 so with the 50x multiplier his power is just 400.000. In the Frieza saga his power level was 3 million before he turned SSJ. Quite a difference.

[@jackiechan715]

Forget that, I wanna see the entire timeline get wrecked by Vegeta achieving Super Saiyan against Goku. I doubt I'll ever get that in this style of game, but I do believe it was very briefly touched upon in Budokai 1, maybe? A "What If" mission, not open world where it actually affects gameplay. But I do appreciate it having the "alternate events" approach like Budokai 3, if I'm understanding correctly at least.

[@samuelcampos1411]

Kinda threw me off hearing vegeta refer to Super saiyan as a “change of hair color “ , I thought it would have him questioning everything…

[@Boots1164]

Knowing Goku loves to fight people at their strongest, I don't think he would've destroyed Vegeta's moon, I think he would've wanted to keep fighting him as a great ape.

[@neverfoldvlogs]

4:51 I didn’t know goku was that rude 😂 That’s scary can’t lie

[@camerontroutman1605]

Luckily Frieza didn’t kill Krillin in this scene, but at the same time he is probably somewhere laughing his ass off watching Vegeta getting cooked by Goku.🤣🤣🤣

[@OdinTheUniverseTraveler2003]

Neat too see you already making SZ videos Beta. One thing is that they brought back certain screens or cutscenes for when you lose a battle. So that makes me ask. Will you do a video of those fail screens at some point?

[@danielmarques70966]

The only thing I found kinda strange is the character moves on the cutscenes, idk, seems weird. But the game is 10/10

[@lillith3159]

Because you see...Vegeta. You are not dealing with the average saiyan anymore

[@AutumnOnFire]

It's almost like he's no longer dealing with the average saiyan warrior anymore...

[@DamplyDoo]

Damn, playing the dbz snes game in highschool, i always dreamed of a dbz game like this

[@jaym3971]

“W-what are you?!”…all of a sudden he doesn’t know what he’s looking at, ok vegeta.😒

[@kamudo999]

maybe he does have an idea, but he´s too shocked to say it out lound

[@SarcasticWanderer]

Remember, at this point in time Vegeta has no idea what a Super Saiyan looks like, or if it's even real for that matter. For all he knows this could be another form of Kaioken since that's all he's seen Goku do

[@kamudo999]

@@SarcasticWanderer yeah, true, I forgot about that

[@cesarpinto1671]

​@@SarcasticWanderer In this what if goku doesnt have kaioken, he never died

[@SarcasticWanderer]

@cesarpinto1671 Ahh, okay. Still, Vegeta doesn't know what a Super Sayian looks like, it still would've taken him a minute to put two and two together. Unless I'm misremembering.

[@kurbisfurst5194]

I loved it when this happened and big spoiler Vegeta turns super saiyan on Namek. This version has still his Saiyan armor and tail. Sadly though you can't play this version.

[@Niko.one.shot.]

4:21 it’s now real it can be real now 😆😆😆

[@mikes3667]

That’d be awesome if they had an alternate story mode continuing off this idea

[@truegamer2819]

Vegeta: ah! damn you kakarot, you destroyed the moon before i even got here 😡 Goku: what!? what are you talking about? i didnt destroy anything 😧 Piccolo: 😏

[@lomo1407]

BWUH -Vegeta

[@josephramos7399]

Damn I wish these animated cut scenes would have the characters have Breathing animations lol they just look like t posing characters with their mouth hair and clothes moving

[@josephramos7399]

They are to perfectly still…vegeta laying on the ground talking….he looked like a re animated dead body lol

[@lasthope3237]

blowing up the power ball won't instantly return him to base form , he aint a were wolf and its not he needs to be constantly looking at the ball to maintain form

[@notch7751]

4:50 Lol okay

[@deionpehowdy]

Oh, My Gosh. The What if Is Real.

[@sggyd.795]

Sparking Zero DLC: WHAT IF GOKU WAS BETRAYED AND TRAPPED IN THE TIME CHAMBER FOR 1 BILLION YEARS?!?

[@DonahueKingsley]

I am still confused how you get this.What if

[@FNDD22]

DAMN! They stole my idea from my fan made screenplay adaptation for the Saiyan Saga! (Joking guys but I do have a similar scene in it)

[@blackjacksontv.7]

ESENCIAAAAAAA

[@zackaryjensen2562]

So let's say this was how things played out; if Goku still continues to go to Namek to find the Dragon Balls there and does the same amount of training he does to get there, does he just sweep the Ginyus and Frieza?

[@oratank]

nah he go alone Ginyu just swap body and win

[@AutumnPlains]

Goku wouldn’t train. The only reason he trained in canon was because he knew Vegeta was there.

[@Mysterydragon30]

Cell going to be scary here in the time line 😳

[@akisrivera]

To get ssj goku vs great ape You CANNOT PLAY ON EASY DIFFICULTY TO GET THIS You need to team up with piccolo against raditz. (You CANNOT let goku die) You need to beat him very fast alittle after piccolo says he needs time to charge his move. If you did it correctly you should be training with gohan and piccolo Halfway through the fight it ends early as the saiyans get there You need to fight against nappa and beat him After all that leads into the fight with great ape vegeta. He transforms mid fight which makes you know you did everything correctly

[@JL-zt7dn]

4:28 I can't take this face seriously, I think they went a little overboard with the facial animations there, he gives me Wallace vibes.

[@lostgenius]

This is weird because Goku knows about the Great Ape transformation and that he killed Grandpa Goku.

[@ndro_gyny]

Game seems incredible but with a 6/10 sound design.

[@isaiahhellems7901]

This is neat and old to see but I would have liked to have seen a more emotional reaction like when Goku actually first transformed it was like he was transforming into something he was afraid of Even so much as telling us something to run away cuz he didn't know what was going to happen and it was from his longtime friend being killed mrsulously in front of him and on the opposite side I think Vegeta would react a little bit more to seeing the legendary Super Saiyan that he had her tails of just transform in front of him

[@Ranks0]

So, its safe to say krillin main purpose in any timeline is to die in order for goku to be ssj. Better than yamcha still

[@joshthehuman9449]

-You shut your mouth! -Bwuh!

[@nobafan7515]

7:17 draonZballP fans remember this part.

[@PR1NCETD0T]

Even though this was cool, Goku wouldn’t have needed to go SS to beat Vegeta at this point of the series. He would’ve far outclassed Vegeta in his normal state.(if he were capable of going SS)

[@TheHawkdaddy]

Don't even need to watch, RIP Vegeta.

[@Anthony-dj4nd]

If Goku was SSJ back then he would have killed Vegeta with 1 Punch!😢😂

[@calebbrown419]

Summary: goku slaps with his hands behind his back

[@Kjarrigan1]

Krillin throws 15k Zenni into the Ring, thank god

[@185CMBOI]

Krillin is like singularity for SSJ transformation.

[@SGTbatzilla]

how do you get the what if scenario:? Path of goku?

[@Hellsing7747]

Before dbs the "What if "would have been very weird. But after DBS it actually could've happened when we know what you need to turn Super Saiyan. Do I like it that way ? Not really

[@Delsin42]

To be fair that was a whole another universe of sayians,lol

[@fridaynightnicktoons6885]

Stuff like tingly back,goku not kissing his wife,recolor forms,being stuck in before uub time is why I stick with gt. Dbs has great ost though

[@no_misaki]

Well Super took any logic the original series had and threw it out the window so it's mediocre, fan fiction esque story could play out. It set the precedent that anything could happen at any time for any reason because if it doesn't make sense or align with the canon, they just start retconning things and asspulling until it's possible and move right along.

[@jmmpx]

Vegeta Kill Krilin. Goku: Super Saiyan Time Best Buddy 😂😂😂

[@BadBomb555]

No Great Ape vs. Super Saiyan? Well, that's disappointing.

[@dentkort]

​@ZakyCalil43bad bait

[@dentkort]

@ZakyCalil43 xD

[@full-timeanimeman4341]

It's kind of odd hearing vagita Describe his hair color as not being the super saiyan

[@Vinzvin17]

make what if vegeta goes super saiyan against freeza

[@youngblaze9404]

Vegetas Saiyan pride would be hurt, he gets in a Rage and Turn Super Saiyan Great Ape , Kakarot Gets K.O by accident, Vegetas Pride restored 😂

[@ericpratt984]

Why are they talking in the background while fighting? It's just so uncanny.

[@findsolution8433]

Can someone explain me why vegetas clothes grows with his transformation?

[@Nozzinator]

Can we get guides for these im so confused