For those wondering about the background on the last clip, im the idiot in the video. This was a few years ago, and I was extremely new, and dumb. The area I was in has horrible bolts, graffiti and litter everywhere. The face is about 30 feet tall. I haven't gone back to this area since, and I'm doing alot better now, I climb with friends now, have learned A LOT since then, still learningmore every day. I just need to wear my helmet more 😁
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
Right on, if you can can admit it, own up and learn from your mistakes then there is hope lol 🤙🏻
@aurelius84393 жыл бұрын
You have a very respectable amount of humility and balls for sharing. I salute you. On an even more positive note, your humility in sharing allows others to learn from the mistake--mad respect.
@jamescampbell34703 жыл бұрын
Smartest climbers are the ones willing to learn. First time I rappelled was at bruised brothers in the Red and I messed up my prusik knot and that got sucked into my ATC and I got stuck 40ft in the air. One of the climbing gurus taught me how to extend my rappel and I haven't had any issues since. We've all been gumbies at one point!
@ImVexuli3 жыл бұрын
@@jamescampbell3470 love bruise brothers!! I was just climbing down there last week. Im from Ohio. And yesss I agree, we have to have humility and learn from our mistakes. Only way to get better!
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
@@jamescampbell3470 you wouldn’t happen to have that on video.. asking for a friend lol
@caedencollins76183 жыл бұрын
The guy who was chipping the holds is from Chattanooga (where I am from) he cheated on his gf and she leaked the video. He deleted his Instagram and should be scared to head to a Boulder field again
@squamishstu3 жыл бұрын
Hell yesss! Fuck that guy.
@joshz69753 жыл бұрын
She clearly was okay with it until he cheated lol
@bman60653 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure he was not a local. Or he had just resettled from somewhere else
@joshz69753 жыл бұрын
@@bman6065 doesn't matter, really
@caedencollins76183 жыл бұрын
@@bman6065 I shoulda spoke better, I meant the Boulder is in chatt, I’m not sure If he settled here, I think he did but idk
@nolanbanfitch50703 жыл бұрын
guy chipping the route is the most heinous we've seen so far
@kingofthebums3 жыл бұрын
Just curious. I've never climbed before. What he did wrong was trying to make his own hand holds? And that's wrong because it's cheating? Or because it's like vandalism? I just want to understand.
@nolanbanfitch50703 жыл бұрын
@@kingofthebums he’s ruining the climb for anyone else who wants to climb it - now it’s less of a challenge.
@kingofthebums3 жыл бұрын
@@nolanbanfitch5070 I see. That makes sense.
@kingofthebums3 жыл бұрын
@@nolanbanfitch5070 thanks!
@boomafett6 ай бұрын
@@kingofthebums vandalism
@schonni83903 жыл бұрын
I heard the stache immediately increases your skill by 2 french grades
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
It’s true....
@connorjenkins83903 жыл бұрын
Could be a good thing or a bad thing. Depending who's invading you
@Yanvonschleck3 жыл бұрын
Can confirm, I just shaved and now my skills have decreased drastically..
@lavatun2 жыл бұрын
@@Yanvonschleck I am sorry for your loss, sir..
@brandonm10883 жыл бұрын
When it comes to first aid don't believe people when they say "I'm good" dude wasn't even done smacking his skull into the rocks before he started reassuring everyone
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment! ☝🏻
@johntuttleiii84453 жыл бұрын
You need to record yourself going to the crag in the outfit and giving out tickets for not wearing helmets 😂🤣
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha I was actually planning too 🤣
@alexandrenadon8703 жыл бұрын
would be amazing !
@kcegr3 жыл бұрын
doooo it pleasee
@jackruder23993 жыл бұрын
In the clip where the guy fell on the branch, thats ethan pringle on Empath, a 5.15 put up last year, so it hasnt been climbed much.
@critconrad87883 жыл бұрын
And he says “if you’re that pumped you should probably just back off”. Spoken like someone who has never sent anything at their limit.
@Shadowang3233 жыл бұрын
@@critconrad8788 there's a difference between pushing your limits and doing it safely.
@lukecalclimbs24633 жыл бұрын
"if you can't tie a knot, tie a lot" 😂😂
@TheSilverFiend3 жыл бұрын
sadly, I've seen that philosophy first hand.
@Thrutch3 жыл бұрын
Chippy needs his climbing license revoked
@mtadams20093 жыл бұрын
Back in the day, mid 70s I took a very short, a few feet, fall without a helmet. I spent two weeks in the hospital with a fractured skull. It was like a 12 day hangover. I did learn from that experience. Please just wear your helmet. Good video thanks.
@vazap86623 жыл бұрын
The flashlight on the screen killed me!! 😂😂😂
@cashiscamping51263 жыл бұрын
Hey Josh, I'm just getting back into climbing as an adult, thanks for showing me so much of what _not_ to do!
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
🤙🏻
@RaGe0rge3 жыл бұрын
You have entirely too few subscribers/views. Your sense of humor is right up my alley. This channel is going to take off
@ohokcool Жыл бұрын
at 9:01 guy's rope obviously wants to go left, he's trying to force right, gravity wins and brings him to the left, when rope slides over edge there's now slack which leads to a fall disorienting climber and slamming him into the wall on the left. guys, go the direction the rope wants you to go, don't try to rappel around corners where your rope can slip off to the side and make you fall. EDIT: in summary, MAKE SURE YOU minimize length of rope between anchor and edge before rappelling so that you aren't creating a potential fall if it slips around the corner of the cliff edge.
@billhickswasgreat34213 жыл бұрын
I'm a SRT trained caver. We always rappel with a ascender (jumar) as a secondary attachment point. I can't ever see myself stepping over the ledge without the safety this provides.
@noahjunker90053 жыл бұрын
Hey Josh, need some helmet police at my local crag for sure. What do you think about professional climbers not putting on helmets while climbing high grade routes and broadcasting it to the whole community? Keep up with the content, learnt a lot from you so far!
@chrisbagust35167 ай бұрын
Hi, I have recently discovered your channel and I'm really enjoying it! I used to climb minor British rock when I was younger, and always wore a helmet. In fact my helmet got a big dent in it one day, but my skull didn't - I rest my case!
@Kyllleur3 жыл бұрын
Caught chipping on camera! That man is dead... And the camera man also for not stopping him! è.é
@oskarskoglund94963 жыл бұрын
I read some about this on reddit. The man chipping was supposedly very angry at the moment and his girlfriend who was filming it was too scared to tell him to stop.
@Kyllleur3 жыл бұрын
@@oskarskoglund9496 oh, yeah. I can see the situation yep. She should have grab a rock instead of the camera then
@samochoa51493 жыл бұрын
She also said she's a victim of abusive by his hands so understandable as to why she didn't stop him but she managed to get people to see his true nature
@Kyllleur3 жыл бұрын
@@samochoa5149 Yeah, if he's the kind of guy chipping a hold out of anger, I can imagine that... -.-'
@konnyknees3 жыл бұрын
@@DrDeuteron woah, that sounds terribly misogynistic. no room for that bullshit, get out of here
@ledzep3693 жыл бұрын
Bless you Beta Boy! Favourite climbing channel on the interwebs!
@AngrySkipperGC3 жыл бұрын
Man... I love this channel more and more when climbing fails are posted. Such dedication to content. Amazing stuff, J!
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
I needed this comment lol I was up to 3am editing 😅 I’m drained and gotta go hard at the gym today. 🤙🏻
@heruilin3 жыл бұрын
OMG the sound of coconut! I don't intend to ever attempt outdoor climbing until I've watched and understood everyone of these videos AND only then with a very experienced partner.
@Candesce3 жыл бұрын
Go to a climbing course if anyone's running them in your area. You don't need to be a genius, just get taught how to do it the right way. Even after watching these videos, nothing really prepares you for the real thing like a course does.
@WaterfallWhispering21 күн бұрын
Haha your intros are hilarious 😂 and the 🔦 flashlight…I lost it
@Govanification3 жыл бұрын
First clip is Gorilla My Dreams 5.10a at Index, WA. A burly, sustained layback sport route with a few cams at the start as you come up on the left, which pretty much guarantees the rope will be behind your legs or at least below you for that first section, although he did an even worse job of managing it. You could get the first bolt and then downclimb and back-clean the cams so your belayer can stand over on the right where the camera guy is, but that sounds like a faffe. Stick clip the first mega high bolt with a locking draw maybe?
@dannyCOTW Жыл бұрын
I imagine the equalized thing as if the one anchor blows you are immediately adding the extra force of a fall equal to the new slack in the system, on to whatever force caused the failure.
@shakeysugar43823 жыл бұрын
In the final clip I'm pretty sure you can see another bolt over to the right, probably woulda been better to build the anchor over there away from the corner Also, get a prussik!
@_Jake_Elkins3 жыл бұрын
Josh Perry, beta Climber PD, thank you for your service mate.
@madblank3 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna start wearing my helmet even when I lead climb from now on...
@thorstenkoch1943 жыл бұрын
Hilarious intro, man! You should become an actor! 😁
@ephramjanzen17303 жыл бұрын
You never fail to make me laugh
@AnonymousOtters3 жыл бұрын
2:00 Boulder Canyon? I swear I've climbed that. If its where I'm thinking, that tree is actually really close to the fall line and has a bunch of broken/sawed off limbs
@Connordrs11233 жыл бұрын
that's actually "empath" 5.15a/9a+ in lake tahoe, kirkwood, CA! i'm pretty sure multiple people have hit the tree now, i think when carlo daniel jimmy and nathaniel first climbed it, they were just strong enough they didn't fall in that place where you can hit the tree, they just sent. Keenan tekashi has since cleaned up a bunch of the branches and made it a big safer
@Connordrs11233 жыл бұрын
there's a fantastic film about the route by black diamond if you're interested
@tomtom44053 жыл бұрын
08:41, on the top of the crag, have the police crime scene white stenciled round a dead dog? A pet hate of mine is people threading the fig 8 so the rope crosses on the back of descender where an edge or rock can catch it, why can't more people remember to feed the rope in from the front and avoid that?
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
That’s a great tip. Attention to detail. 👌🏻
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
But I’m surprised, judging by his experience, he didn’t put the thing on upside down. 😂
@nikitasobolev77593 жыл бұрын
I also didn't see a prusik or any form of safety, so if he'd knocked himself out on that ledge, he would have gone all the way down!
@davidwright71932 жыл бұрын
The best way to thread a fig 8 for an ab is don’t. Use your ATC (other belay plates are available) instead or if you are doing long SRT stuff use a rack.
@terranhealer3 жыл бұрын
OMG the climbing police character with stash and glasses is perfect 👌 and the cherry on top is your head-hat 😆 lol
@paularinaga15763 жыл бұрын
For the last one, why not build the v anchor on the left and rap down in that dihedral? Only downside would be most of the force on the left bolt but no tendency to swing?
@oskarskoglund94963 жыл бұрын
WEEEEE WOOO! WEEEE WOOOO!
@Katie-rb6xv2 жыл бұрын
Sending your videos to my climbing group to insist that _everybody_ has a helmet this climbing trip. Thank you :)
@ralfrussel19503 жыл бұрын
3:55 Did the belayer let go of the brake rope?
@alecksluciferis41883 жыл бұрын
Yuuuuuuup
@jwagsftw3 жыл бұрын
Best climb out I've ever seen!
@mitchellbarnow17093 жыл бұрын
Do helmets always fall off before you hit your head on the wall or would they work better if they stayed on until after impact? These are baseball caps 🧢, not helmets! Now I understand.
@Cwfs01 Жыл бұрын
Whipping the tri cam 😂
@mrgumbyking2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel.
@AcfLavertyy3 жыл бұрын
Lovedddddddddd the intro. Howling
@doughboy3343 жыл бұрын
well im definitely going to buy a helmet now
@taweasmr Жыл бұрын
Although the anchoring could've been better, yes, it just looks like his approach to abseiling was fundamentally wrong, he shouldn't have started climbing down an angled-off wall because of course he'll swing out since the centre of gravity is off and gives way. The angle of the rope and the wall should create a T, then there's no angle and won't swing since feet are parallel to the wall. Could've also had his feet wider apart so he could brace his left foot out, or pushed off the wall to re-stabilise after he swung instead of letting the top-heavy body swing out. It's all just physics. Anyway thanks for the entertaining vid!😁
@devieilleroche3 жыл бұрын
Did the last guy manage to retrieve the rope after his rappel? Efficient? Leave a whole rope on the cliff ? 🤔not saving any inch.
@milspectoothpick4119 Жыл бұрын
From a physics perspective, force "follows" stiffness. So kind of the opposite of electricity/water. Which ever part of a system is the stiffest will be loaded more than the rest even when all parts are loaded.
@ellavateify Жыл бұрын
the guy who does this show cracks me up 😂
@tylergermanowicz5756 Жыл бұрын
I am not a climber. I consider climbing as a form of insanity, but I watch Climbing Fails because you are fucking hysterical. “Does it sound like a coconut? Like there’s nothing in there?” Hahahahahaaa!
@557ronb92 жыл бұрын
Why does he not have a prusik auto block back up above the fig 8 so if he slips it will catch him???
@yorkshire_saddlehunter1842 жыл бұрын
"the sandpaper slide" 😂
@davidbalea1782 Жыл бұрын
The guy on the 6:14 look like he is running out of an Unplan heist, Gold watch miami vice vibes!
@veon153 жыл бұрын
What music begins to play in the intro?
@kennyking63253 жыл бұрын
Friends, I love it when Haines Jockies comment wrong and get corrected in later videos. B is for beta. Thank you, Kenny
@sastrugi44713 жыл бұрын
How do you even fall on that first clip?
@Cobra09113 жыл бұрын
The guy who hits the tree is Ethan Pringle on Empath.
@zenodorous3 жыл бұрын
Yeah so there is good reason the tree hasn't been hit before. It's hard af to get there in the first place!
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
Interesting was he skipping bolts to try and make the send?
@Cobra09113 жыл бұрын
@@BetaClimbers He has a good write up worth reading on his insta with some close up shots of the branch and the damage. Short version is he was at the last draw and didn't really want to grab it and did some different footwork. Seems like the awkwardness of the moves kinda spun him further out into the tree on the fall.
@kasnuss3 жыл бұрын
I wish these were longer 😍
@t641692 жыл бұрын
That was a tight belay on the first clip and to me it sounds like he's calling for slack. And after falling he looks upset/confused as to why his belayer wouldn't let him continue up???
@bonefishboards3 жыл бұрын
That last one, all the gear was brand new. No scuffs.
@badaboum2233 жыл бұрын
Thats deep
@GabeChez3 жыл бұрын
You can do some sweet mixed tooling with that baton
@osiriswillmont78562 жыл бұрын
Case of the runouts 🤣
@FallLineJP3 жыл бұрын
You said climbing out and didn’t climb out. What is the sentence for that?
@xzombiexwormx3 жыл бұрын
This is amazing video ahahahaha
@MegaVagus3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, man! 👍
@Infirmi3 жыл бұрын
why did the belay guy fall? did he slip or lose his balance or something?
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
Well that’s what I was trying to explain but I guess I failed at it lol maybe I need to break that down in a separate video. To simply put it there is nothing holding him there and gravity is going to swing him as close to the anchor as possible. It’s almost like he is standing at the top of a rope swing.
@DmitriyLaktyushkin3 жыл бұрын
You mean the figure 8 descender guy? You know how you can swing if you traverse from the top of your route. This guy started the descent trusting his rope to get stuck on the rock to avoid the swing and the rope didnt get stuck.
@Infirmi3 жыл бұрын
@@BetaClimbers I get you. No i'm sure others got it, i just didnt put two and two together haha. Keep up the good work, enjoy the channel
@Infirmi3 жыл бұрын
@@DmitriyLaktyushkin Thanks - i think i understand it now
@thebunnisher1093 жыл бұрын
For the first video his options are limited based on the way the route is bolted. Alpine draw instead?
@chanthing2 жыл бұрын
Hard to tell, but it looks to me like that first piece was placed and is not a bolt. I could be wrong, but my theory is that this a beginning leader who was a little sketched about a high first bolt, so his partner put in a piece to make him feel more secure, which unfortunately had the effect of making things more dangerous and inducing some significant rope drag once he gets higher up.
@dom7day3 жыл бұрын
"I am Rock....I will test your vigilance to wear a helmet today"
@paulojacobsilva30182 жыл бұрын
Around minute 5:40, the guy sculpting the rock. We had an incident in South America. Hayden Kennedy (RIP) and Jason Kruk removed the bolts from the compressor route without consulting with the local guides. It generated some bad blood, the route was considered a classic, with the compressor on the wall included. The kids had to hide while an angry mob and the police negotiated what action to take. Technically they had defaced a national park, but the police rather see them gone, seeing the hostility of the local guides and climbers. What if your opinion when climbers find a clean route and remove gear from the wall? I am now old and out of the game for the most part. Seeing from afar, these climbing feuds look petty. But I know how worked up people can get. Could you comment on "removal of fixed gear" at some point? Maybe it's more of a problem in mountaineering.
@tobbenhuv76853 жыл бұрын
3:05 "I wonder if their heads sounds like coconutts when tey hit their head" hahaah
@bman60653 жыл бұрын
They all do. The human skull is like that
@organicprozac24903 жыл бұрын
How tight is that belay in the first clip!? Slack please.
@kc22in3 жыл бұрын
Next level
@dwainwarren2952 Жыл бұрын
I used to tell other climbers when i saw them doing something wrong. Not anymore after being told to f off. One time when i did and was told to f off the guy ended up dying because what i was trying to tell him ended up happening. The partner ended up saying he was sorry for not listening. I told him, too late now.
@ButterBallTheOpossum3 жыл бұрын
1:57 that chick is using her dog calling voice 😂
@mihax2093 жыл бұрын
regarding the first clip, how would he have avoided having his leg behind the rope? it seems like that's where the route goes (the right side is completely smooth). Should the belayer have kept more slack? thus less tension on the rope and it would have been more flush with the rock?
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
He basically has the rope under his leg twice. So the one immediately under him should be on the other side of this leg. Then second line can have a couple options. Perhaps the belayer is just standing in the wrong spot or a piece of gear was placed some where strange. There is a pretty tight V there so you may want to consider back cleaning and making the rope more vertical if possible. If you can’t avoid it. Then you should be aware of it and if you are going to fall try to jump over it and wear your helmet just in case lol.
@mihax2093 жыл бұрын
@@BetaClimbers Thanks for the quick answer! What would be the go-to way to avoid the tight V, longer/double quickdraws from the bolts? Or even unclipping the quickdraw that's lower down?
@dutch123456789103 жыл бұрын
Bolt placement causes some issues here, but the feet should've stayed underneath the rope going to the quickdraw for as long as possible. Could also extend the draw, but there appears to be a ledge fairly close. To me it seems like preventing some form of foot error is not possible unless you alter your beta to something slightly harder to adapt to the bolt placement.
@EgWyps3 жыл бұрын
Best one ever, hilarious
@hewhotellsastory2 жыл бұрын
You actually look like a member of Village People 😂🤣
@MartyCoony3 жыл бұрын
Hey Joshua, on the last vid, the bolts are redundants but not the anchor. If the piece on the left blew, there would be about 3-4 meters of rope added to the system as he didn't equalize the piece. Instant shock loading if he didn't deck already.
@shakeysugar43823 жыл бұрын
Yeah and he probably would have decked it looked like a short abseil (maybe he was learning and this was his first attempt?)
@ImVexuli3 жыл бұрын
I'm the idiot in the video. This was a few years ago, I was by myself, the area I went to has horrible bolt locations, I was extremely new and extremely dumb. Nonetheless I've gotten alot better since, im sending 5.9s with friends now, (though I still need to wear my goddamn helmet more.) I also never go to this spot in the clip anymore, just full of graffiti, shitty bolts, and lots of litter and garbage.
@ImVexuli3 жыл бұрын
Its about 30 feet tall for those wondering
@shakeysugar43823 жыл бұрын
@@ImVexuli Nice one being humble and learning your lesson man!
@PierreUsedToPost3 жыл бұрын
the anchor is redundant, the shock load potential falls under the "no extension" bit of the acronym
@HowToGuroo2 жыл бұрын
nice intro LOL
@CorkBouldering3 жыл бұрын
i am getting to pre cautious after watching this and my climbing partner complains that i am to slow.
@henkfermeul37203 жыл бұрын
Cheat on him and find an other belaytionship ! ^^
@alecksluciferis41883 жыл бұрын
You need a new partner then.
@CorkBouldering3 жыл бұрын
@@alecksluciferis4188 not easy here where i live, most climbers do only gym, they just recently started little bit outdoor bouldering due to lockdowns.
@alecksluciferis41883 жыл бұрын
@@CorkBouldering At least you can climb. Still full lockdown here. But yeah, at least explain to your partner that safety is part of the climbing experience and never let someone push you into cutting corners.
@JaaaaaaaC3 жыл бұрын
what is guy at 5:00 doing and why its bad? i cant climb a step ladder so I'm just curious.
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
Chipping holds is sacrilege!
@JaaaaaaaC3 жыл бұрын
@@BetaClimbers ahh i see. the whole point is to climb the thing using what's already there.
@BetaClimbers3 жыл бұрын
@@JaaaaaaaC right, you don’t bring the rock down to your level you bring your self up to it’s.
@borntoclimb71163 жыл бұрын
3:02 i feel the Pain
@jacktaylor65773 жыл бұрын
That second video I know the guy who took the fall name Tony he's doing a V2 highball called Foops at Flock Hill New Zealand it's super easy up to the dyno move then is a heel hook hand match to a mantle
@Govanification3 жыл бұрын
Looks like he punched himself in the face on the landing! Brutal and so high risk for a V2.
@bobsthea3 жыл бұрын
at 3:54, belayer move his hand from the braking side to ........ i dont know for what
@Govanification3 жыл бұрын
Holy crap good catch. Probably to avoid getting t-bagged by his buddy, but still. Any idea what device he was using? Seemed brake assisted or they both would have fallen when he let go of the brake strand but then later he is able to lower the climber one-handed. Maybe a gigajul?
@bobsthea3 жыл бұрын
@@Govanification hope it megajul, they just get lucky, i guess, very, very lucky
@recorpse96983 жыл бұрын
11:40, I enjoy climbing but haven't in a long time however this man just made a pulley with his ropes doubling the forces on the left point, obviously this is not a good thing.
@tpvoijen3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to see police at a crag, didn't see any
@xXxBigOsoxXx3 жыл бұрын
I use rope climbing and rappelling for graffiti and i agree. Graffiti doesnt belong on nature.
@caylanwojciechowski82333 жыл бұрын
What the fuck is that guy doing?! Crushing the rock!
@sk8absence3 жыл бұрын
Joshua Perry did NOT climb on out of there!
@purplemonkeydishwasher5269 Жыл бұрын
Vid 2 : Its all worth it for the Insta
@Kitsune-Moriko2 жыл бұрын
Ouch, that last one. He's lucky the edge didn't slice through his rope. He's have more to worry about than his skull. Super poorly equalised. I was cringing while he was tying the repel device.
@spencercalamari3 жыл бұрын
that second clip is a Chris Sharma fa I'm pretty sure
@patrickwhiting48313 жыл бұрын
No it's a climb called foops V2 at Flock Hill in NZ. He sent it but not a FA.
@Joe-Mamasixtyninefourtwenty3 жыл бұрын
Hi Josh
@gabby92233 жыл бұрын
Hi Joe and Josh
@adambutton67963 жыл бұрын
I'm still cringing from the dude who was chipping away at the boulder. Such a gumby!
@AlexMckillmore3 жыл бұрын
Maybe I should buy a helmet
@riri64753 жыл бұрын
RENE was Seren after meeting EARNEST
@clintw8173 Жыл бұрын
Shout out to pink tricam holster
@kreterakete3 жыл бұрын
I like it. Hey, most of failure is by the ignorants doing the rope security.. always to much rope and not tight. No helmets is stupid. Hugs
@Climbingdude3 жыл бұрын
I still don’t know why people don’t wear helmets. I guess they feel invincible
@patrickwhiting48313 жыл бұрын
"If you're gonna fall that far, may as well put a rope on" - foops V2 4⭐
@Martn843 жыл бұрын
2:44 , da wird klar, warum man nicht nur unten einen Helm tragen sollte, Autsch 🙄🤪😨
@Kvantasan3 жыл бұрын
i am not a climbing expert, but why no helmets??more you think you know, the more easier is to get hurt