Growing Up Mormon (Part 2) - Do Mormons Practice Polygamy?

[@BethanyKay]

Did you know Mormons didn't realize their own founding prophet was polygamous? I'd love to hear your thoughts about this from both non-mormons and mormons! Want to binge-watch the whole story of my Mormon Awakening? You can watch the rest of the series here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ2adJ16m7iAb6s

[@paulgregersen3570]

The entire house of Israel was born from a polygamous family. That means all Christians today are being adapted into Christs family to join his polygamous family Israel . In fact Christ was born from a polygamous family himself .The son of David. David was commanded by God to take wives when he became king. Joseph Smith fulfilled many Bible prophecies by starting the restored church with Israelite polygamy. See my media. Stop being outraged over fulfilled prophecy.

[@planetrocker6984]

@@paulgregersen3570 polygyny is legal in israel ? i read somewhere it is illegal... with which religion ? i do not like islam... maybe christian islam is Ok...

[@freethinker1026]

@Bethany Kay - Did you know that is because he wasn't. Did you know that Fanny Alger NEVER claimed to have been married to Joseph Smith? Did you know that the story of the barn incident was first shared in a letter to Joseph's son in 1872 in an attempt to convince him that his father practiced polygamy. Do you know who wrote that letter and what the facts surrounding it? Do you know the history and allegations surrounding D&C 132? Did you know that there is absolutely no credible proof that Joseph practiced polygamy? Do you know the history surrounding the allegations that he did?

[@planetrocker6984]

@@freethinker1026 just everybody say that he practiced polygamy cause i cannot be with one woman all my life

[@paulgregersen3570]

You need to study the whole history instead of cherry picked tid bits. All of the church members had to deny polygamous marriages because the mobs were threatening to kill them mainly because of polygamy. Many were killed when the governor signed an extermination order to kill Mormons on site. The Constitution no longer existed for Mormons. No court or Congress would protect them. No different than the Jews in Germany had to lie to the Nazis rulers and declare under oath that they were not Jews. If you admited that they were Jews they would ammediately kill you, and then burn your children alive. Even Joseph Smith had to deny polygamy to protect his family. Mobs came in and blew the heads off of Mormon children at Hawns mill. Remember? Even the U.S president refused to stop the mass murders and burning out of Mormon homes and entire communities. The Mormons were no different than the Jews in Germany. Abraham lied to pharough in Egypt or he would have killed him. He told the king Sarah was his sister. Guess what, God went to bat for him and forced pharough to let both Abraham and Sarah go free. If you get the records recorded in Hales new book you'll see that Fanny was a polygamist wife and everyone including her own family knew it. Anti Mormons deceaved you exactly the way the liberals in Washington are now doing. You need to test both sides of anything you hear or you'll never be objective.

[@RonPeolman]

Do a careful reading of D&C 132 that outlines plural marriage and you'll notice the words destroy and obey used many times and you never see words like love or cherish. Joseph's polygamy wasn't just about sex, it was also about control.

[@kevinmarkfilms]

Wow! A lot of great info I wasn't even aware of here even after being out for 5 years. Clear, concise and well-researched. Great work!

[@BethanyKay]

Thank you Kevin!

[@prayingpatriot8018]

Indeed, there are countless ex-Mormons preaching the real truth about Mormonism. It was Sandra Tanner's work (45 years worth) that woke me up. But it was Shawn McCraney's HOTM shows (first 500 episodes) that officially brought me out of Mormonism.

[@rickhuntling7338]

@@prayingpatriot8018 I would say they brought you into the Body of CHRIST. You left nothing. Welcome brother. GOD be with you.✝

[@novaknovakovic1585]

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[@katbos4995]

When my brother was doing his doctorate in Utah he had access to the library that was under lock and key. He saw the pioneer diaries and things like that. He went to some of the apostles and ask them to reveal the truth of our history to the members, instead of a “white washed” history. They told him if he kept digging around and asking questions he would be excommunicated. Instead he had his name removed.

[@BethanyKay]

Crazy isn't it?? Most mormons wouldn't even let themselves get that far in their lack of freedom to ask questions.

[@goldensprite3373]

Very brave and wise.

[@angelictigerette]

wow.

[@skylerwilliamson1045]

How does one get they’re name removed ?

[@LS-vp3du]

Reason church leaders did this? $124,000,000,000

[@ESCOBARGROUP]

What is up superhero woman! I am so grateful for brave souls like you for opening up and speaking your truth. My wife and I have been there. We lost a lot of followers over our going public. It just felt like the right thing to do, as you said, to reach people like us who didn’t feel right. You nailed it. If it helps one person it is worth it!

[@BethanyKay]

Thanks so much Sean! I love listening to your podcast you do with your wife. Spreading truth is important work! And the transformation that happens on this side is just amazing.

[@scottvance74]

Some historians consider the bigger revelation in the Nauvoo Expositor not the polygamy accusations, but rather that Joseph as anointed King and trying to set up a theocracy. Polygamy was pretty much an open secret by 1844 according to these historians.

[@BethanyKay]

Yes! Thank you for pointing that out. Every time I read more into these topics, there is ALWAYS something more unsettling to be discovered! lol.

[@all4jesus594]

@@BethanyKay l know , right!? I have been studying for some 40 years, layers and layers... of truths l never thought possible.

[@pleasepleasethebees]

My ancestors joined the church in the 1850's in the Netherlands. They worked with the american missionaries for years teaching "the gospel" in their home country. They decided to join the saints in Utah, so they sold their business, and sent two children ahead to America (The parents stayed behind waiting for a young baby to become stronger before they started their journey.) During that waiting time they helped translate D&C 132 into Dutch and that was the first time they ever learned about polygamy. They'd already sold everything and sent children ahead so even though they were deeply troubled by the practice, they stuck to the plan and moved to Utah. The mormon church has been lying or withholding information from members from the very beginning. That is Joseph Smith's legacy.

[@kevinmarkfilms]

Such a horror show!!!

[@BethanyKay]

I'm so sorry. I think of the lives lost coming across the plains out West, and the amount of human tragedy caused by Joseph Smith's actions is just immeasurable.

[@pleasepleasethebees]

@@richardholmes7199 prove it.

[@solangesmusic.1877]

Richard Holmes Friend, What you gave was your opinion. Period. Based on nothing. I don’t know how long you have been LDS but it is a fact that the church has hidden from the public and from the members all of this disturbing information about its early history. I was a devout member for 20 years and went through Seminary, Institute, served an honorable mission and always held a temple recommend to the day I left. Never did I hear any of this true information being disclosed anywhere in the church. 20 years ago, the church was calling liars anyone who talked about this. Well, it ended up that people like the Tanners were not the liars because now with the internet being flooded with all of the information, the church has been forced to admit at least partially, to the truth.

[@pleasepleasethebees]

@@richardholmes7199 personal attacks are not logical, not proof, and not Christlike.

[@FaithGardener]

Perhaps the most mind blowing facet of your investigation leading to truth is that the info is all contained IN the historical documents of the faith! You don't have to venture out in to the "scary darkness " to start unraveling truth! It truely does fall in on itself from every angle.

[@RB-zh1eq]

The church teaches that when you feel good for sharing your testimony, that's the "spirit" telling you it's true. Once they get that emotional attachment they own you, lock, stock, and underwear. If something makes you feel bad, that's the adversary. So when you come across information that is contrary to what you believe, of course it makes you feel bad. And what's that feeling? It's the devil. It's such a preposterous, insidious way of controlling people.

[@louchlynfraser4641]

Yup, that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach isn't Satan; It's that first inkling that you've been lied to and you have built your life on falsehoods. Every Mormon has them from time to time. They hear something taught at church and know that objective reality just doesn't match what they are being taught. Then they put it out of their minds with "I'm gonna ask God about that in the afterlife" then move on with their oblivious lives. Those moments are scary but they represent the first moment of awakening, to the realization of the prison of falsehoods Mormons have been conditioned not only to accept, but rely on. But the beliefs aren't supporting them, they are holding them trapped in a prison of subservient obedience to the whims of a few fraudulent men who benefit financially and socially by keeping them imprisoned and keeping them "praying, paying and obeying".

[@all4jesus594]

RB, great comment!

[@benzun9600]

Did Jesus say use logic and deny feeling or did he say believe and trust the comforter?

[@truthundefeated]

@@louchlynfraser4641 we have freedom!! That's their choice to LET THEIR MINDS BE CONTROLLED!! Until now many OF THEM are STILL In bondage of those False RELIGIONS!!sad!!

[@BethanyKay]

@@louchlynfraser4641 I love what you said about that sinking feeling being the realization that you've been lied to!!! And to original comment, yes! I just read a book by Joe Dispenza that talks about how our strongest beliefs about the world were formed from the strongest emotional experiences. This makes 100% sense why beliefs about spirituality are SO strongly implanted in the brain.

[@ds001]

God bless you Bethany! I endorse you for your courage, passion, and commitment to so articulately and lovingly speaking the truth. Keep up the very good work, you are laying up treasure in Heaven. I admire and respect you.......

[@BethanyKay]

thanks so much! Much love to you in your journey

[@michaelward8013]

I just wanted to say I have shared similar Mormon background as you have and have had to discover truth by researching. I am proud of you and your research and your desire for real truth! So refreshing and so easy to leave the lies and deceptions once you know the truth. Bless you my dear sweet lady for your courage and hard work.

[@rickskeptical]

Outstanding video. Good job!

[@BethanyKay]

Thank you!! Would love to hear your thoughts about the ones I made about the psychology of belief ♥ kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWjEnqOemtCeg9k

[@potterstrom]

Very well done. Thanks for sharing

[@renaewhalen5476]

Thankyou

[@BethanyKay]

Thanks Paul! Would love to hear what you think of the most recent ones I did about the transformation that comes after "waking up" :)

[@goldensprite3373]

I like the illustration for comforting lies vs unpleasant truths

[@BethanyKay]

right??

[@RMPack]

Great work! This is so important!

[@BethanyKay]

Thanks so much for your love and support. I've gone through all the stages, anger, wanting to get everyone else out, sadness and grief, and transformation into a totally new person. Right now I'm documenting the beautiful process of coming out on the other side of this whole thing, and the growth that it brings.

[@oasisbeyond]

I fell most are really depressed, I see these women on the bus and they don't look happy, it's a make believe life.

[@keepitsimple4629]

oasisbeyond, you nailed it! It's a make believe life based on fairy tales.

[@BethanyKay]

I used to see the fundamentalist mormons (that still practice polygamy) at the grocery store all the time and I felt so much responsibility to help them escape. It's frustrating the most mormons in the bigger sect of mormonism think those fundamentalists are just crazy and have nothing to do with mormonism! They're actually the more unchanged version of Mormonism, and if that's scary they should take a look at what they used to believe!

[@katbos4995]

Growing up Mormon, we weren’t just taught not to read other things that were against the church. The fear of Satan possessing our soul and going to hell, if we were to read “anti-Mormon” literature, was strong.

[@BethanyKay]

and that sick feeling you get when you imagine for a moment you may have been lied to, it's pretty intense! haha

[@rickdavis2235]

Bless your heart. I don't know everything there is to know about Mormonism and thought they were just Christians until I started digging into their doctrine last year. I'm on a mission to lead lost people to Christ and away from the man-made religions.

[@BethanyKay]

Thank you. Can you show me where you've found a resource, un-touched by man, about Jesus Christ?

[@rickdavis2235]

​ Bethany Kay Do you have Amazon Prime? I watched a video today that you might enjoy if you're searching for truth. It's called the Bible vs. Joseph Smith and revolves around Deuteronomy 18 and the test of a true prophet of God. The prophets of the Book of Mormon all failed the test as well as Joseph Smith's predictions. Deuteronomy 18:21-22 says: "‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’- 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken;" Regarding your question, it's not that cut and dried. It's not that man has touched the scriptures. It's the lies that have been told about those who touched them. What the video shows is that the bible has over 40,000 ancient manuscripts and scrolls that date back thousands of years and the Book of Mormon has zero. The Bible was written over a period of about 1500 years and does back about 4000 years. It was written by over 40 different authors from all walks of life, speaking many different languages from parts of Africa, Europe and the Middle East. The Book of Mormon was written by one man less than 200 years ago that woke up one day and decided to write a book about his revelation from God with no witnesses and no historical documents to prove what he says. That would be like me waking up tomorrow and writing a book saying that God had revealed it to me and that everything else was corrupt. The only corruption that took place of the Bible was when Joseph Smith added himself into it. We have ancient manuscripts that predate the early church, which Smith said had corrupted the Bible, that shows that Smith lied. None of the prophets in the book of Mormon appear in any historical documents, biblical or extra-biblica. There is no record of the names Nephi, Alma, Lehi, Mosiah, Moroni, etc. anwhere in the history of mankind. They began to exist in 1832 when Joseph Smith published the Book of Mormon. Did you ever wonder why the Book of Mormon prophecied the man who wrote it? That's a dead giveaway so he had to go back and change his King Jamers Bible, adding himself into several books like Genesis, Isaiah and Romans. Another key verse that Smith rewrote is John 1:1 that refers to Jesus as the Word. In the Bible, John 1:1 reads, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Smith’s version reads, “In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God.” He changed “the Word was God” to “the Word was of God.” By doing so, Smith stripped Jesus of his deity. Not a single scholar would agree that Smith’s version is an accurate translation of the Gospel of John. The most ancient copy of the Gospel of Joh that we have goes back to the year 150 A.D., more or less. That is the papyrus which is called papyrus 66. This earliest copy that we have of John 1:1 is only about 50 years older than when John originally wrote that Jesus was God. As one who personally knew Jesus, John is a more trustworthy witness of who Jesus was rather than Joseph Smith who rewrote John’s testimony roughly 1700 years later. The Jesus from John 1:1 in the Bible is completely different than the Jesus in the Mormon Bible. I wish I could go on because I do care about your salvation and by that, I mean your eternal life. Maybe you can find that video on KZbin. It's free on Amazon Prime.

[@rickdavis2235]

@@BethanyKay I just realized that you're the one who put up the video. I'd love to talk to you. If I remember correctlly, you're an atheist now? I feel sad that you were misled but I can assure you that the Bible is true and untampered with. I've studied how the scribes transcribed the mss, how the scribes were passionate about Jesus Christ and took pride in the accuracy of their work. If they made a mistake, they trashed the entire work and started over. This was handed down from father to son. The Great Isaiah Scroll was found at Qumran in the 1940's and is the complete book of Isaiah. It dates to about 200 B.C. and is pretty much word for word what we have today. We have many, many scrolls that predate the assertions by Smith that the Bible had been corrupted. He was a false prophet presenting a false gospel.

[@BethanyKay]

I'm not an atheist. The energy of the universe is given to all freely, no one must join a certain group, or follow a strict set of rules, to experience the beauty of infinite consciousness we call life. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. We don't end when we die. And just as the animals, plants, insects are all completely innocent and loved as part of the whole, so are we, completely UNCONDITIONALLY, without having to do ANY special set of actions to be "saved". I would love to hear your thoughts about this video I made. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3vWeZWpiK-AhpY

[@rickdavis2235]

@@BethanyKay Forgive me. I thought I saw in another video of yours that you didn't believe in any God. My mistake. By the way, I found that video here on KZbin if you want to watch it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIjcfp1ogbyam5Y It won't do me any good to watch your video because I'm not searching for any Truth. I have it. I know that there's only one God and I know who He is and he's not a part of a group and no special actions are needed for salvation other than believing in His Son. Your video is titled "Will You Ever Be Good Enough? That's why most Mormons are confused about their salvation. Romans 10 tells us that it's our faith only that saves us. Works are taught by men... man-made religions like Catholicism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and so on, teaching that you have to earn your way to heaven but it's a lie. It's by God's Grace alone, a free gift and you are good enough. Romans 10:9 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. The evidence for the fact that Jesus lived and died and was then resurrected is how we know that there is only One God and that He came into our world and walked among us in the person of Jesus Christ to teach us how to come back into a relationship with Him. I hop that one day you'll realize that He's there for you and He loves you.

[@joeswife]

I grew up LDS, far away from Utah, and I've always known about Joseph Smith and his practice of polygamy. It wasn't a secret.

[@unicorntamer2207]

Yeah but did you know he was marrying women who were already married, who's husbands were still alive? Or that some of his wives were teens? Or that some were mother/daughter sets?

[@erodoehtiksbyzcak6869]

You’ve articulated the LDS Church’s problems they’ve created for themselves and others by lying excellently. Well done.

[@ltdannichols]

Where can I find that family tree of Joseph Smith's wives on the LDS website?

[@mnshorten]

These are great videos! Thank you!

[@markschultz8982]

Standard Mormon Answer to Everything they hide, can't answer, or won't answer: "Don't Worry About It" or "God will take care of it".

[@all4jesus594]

Thankyou for your videos! Great job! Truth matters!

[@BethanyKay]

Thank you! So happy they are relatable. What do you think of my most recent ones?

[@krissee6961]

Very good but very quiet and hard to hear. The sound needs to be boosted.

[@BethanyKay]

You're right- I just listened to it today and it definitely is too quiet! I wish I could redo some elements of the first few videos, but they're progressively getting better as I learn from my mistakes.

[@BethanyKay]

Have you seen some of my newest videos? Would love to hear your thoughts on those :)

[@chaplainmattsanders4884]

Very well done. Thanks for your thoughtful, responsible way of hammering away at the lies & deceptions of that charismatic con-man Joseph Smith.

[@BethanyKay]

thanks so much. I hope my videos are helping those who've been betrayed by the church to find the beautiful transformation that happens on the other side. ♥

[@franklybenjamin2718]

Thank you for talking about this!

[@BethanyKay]

Thanks so much for taking the time to reply and say thank you. It means a lot to me ♥

[@patricioalvarez371]

congrats my friend... saludos desde México

[@BethanyKay]

Thanks for watching friend!

[@NightmareDorothy]

BETHANY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INSPIRED AND INFORMATIVE VIDEOS!!😀👍👍

[@peterchan5097]

amazing video!

[@feliciabreshears1272]

You explain so clearly!! Thank you!!

[@midnightmoon3183]

Thank you for your video. I struggled with polygamy doctrine in the church as well. Brigham Young was very sexist and racist. If you read old talks by prophets and apostles about their view of women who struggled with polygamy you will find they had hardly any sympathy and told their wives to submit to their husbands and celestial law (polygamy) and stop their whining/bickering. Was so sad for the women.

[@BethanyKay]

I love that you took the initiative to read those things and find out truth for yourself!! In the church "finding out for yourself" means praying and hoping your emotion means they are right...

[@maingun07]

Weigh the evidence and use logic to draw a conclusion. A great bit of advice my father gave me many years ago: "Sometimes you've got to quit making excuses for people."

[@benzun9600]

Dont live life on logic alone, you will miss out on life.

[@BethanyKay]

wow, I love that!

[@markservice8735]

the website in your description didn't load.

[@briangarth7329]

As a prophet, Joseph Smith is characterized fundamentally by the three least spiritual motives: money, sex and power. 1. Money: Kirtland Safety Society Anti-Banking Company. 2. Sex: instituted and practiced polygamy; Fanny Alger affair, etc. 3. Power: Joseph had political aspirations of running for the presidency of the United States. Finally, the book of Deuteronomy provides instructions for discerning between true and false prophets: if what they predict fails to come true, they are no prophet of God, but speak by their own volition. And in Joseph's case, his declaration that the New Zion temple would be built at a specific site in Independence, Missouri before his generation passed away, did not come true. See Doctrines and Covenants 84.

[@ernestmarcucella6918]

Thank you for telling me about your story learning about the Church of Jesus Christ.

[@BethanyKay]

thanks for watching! It's so good to always be asking questions and never feel like we have all the answers. The way beliefs work in our brain is fascinating. Did you see this video I made too? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnXCdaOLn9hsZpI

[@bekimbal9658]

First of all, For one hundred years the LDS Church always acknowledged that Joseph Smith was a polygamist. That didn't start to change until sometime around the 1950s. That is why it always perplexed me when members of the LDS Church vehemently denied he was a polygamist, and now they are leaving the Church in droves because they just found out he was a polygamist? That just doesn't make any sense to me. In the second place, I am descended from one of the women who married Joseph Smith. In my great, great grandmother's case I need to set the record clear. She wrote in her journal that in 1838 her husband apostatized from the Church and became a bitter enemy to Joseph Smith. She didn't, and she eventually left her husband. Over four years later in 1842, she was sealed to Joseph Smith for time and eternity. She also wrote of her experiences of how she seen angels, and prophesied in tongues and interpreted in tongues in meetings with other members. It was in a language none of them ever heard before, and yet they could understand what each was saying. The experiences she had were overpowering. Why did she have to stay married to her former husband who had become an enemy to all of that, and give up everything about the Church that she loved and knew was true? Ever since the Hoffman forgeries have tainted Church records, and all of the revisionist historians have been twisting the facts and writing books about polyandry using my own great, great grandmother as an example, it is hard for me to not feel offended by it, especially when I know it is not true in the case of my own family, and I suspect the families of the others as well. For all of you are are offended by the concept of polygamy in the LDS Church, just look to the example of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Modern Christians will tell you that Abraham and Jacob sinned by being polygamists. Yet just consider how absurd this thinking is. God called Abraham the friend of God. God himself walked and talked with Abraham as one man talks with another, as one trusted friend to another. God was so fond of these men, that He proclaimed that He would henceforth be known as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of the polygamists. Now if that too offends you, and you wish to wander off and become something else then by all means go and do it. But if you think the Mormons were hated by the world and it was the fault of the Mormons, then how do you explain why Jesus Christ Himself and all of His disciples were far more hated by the world than the Mormons ever were. They were all put to death with extreme prejudice by the world. If you are going to be consistent in your condemnation of early Mormons, and not harbor any double standards then you might as well explain what Jesus, Peter, Paul and all the rest did to the world that was so bad it caused the world to hate them so much. I feel like a stranger in a strange land.

[@ctaylorgh91]

K bro

[@acronen]

How do you explain the whole world hating Sauron and banding together to destroy him? Weird how stories can be written and told in ways to serve whatever narrative is wanted. Joseph wasn't hated for being a prophet of God, he was hated for being an egomaniac, and sexual predator. Main point though, look at the fruits of polygamy today. Look at what it has done, and what it causes. Look at its remnants, that are ardent believers and followers of Joseph Smith. It is nothing but harmful to the women and children trapped within, and quite frankly shame on you for trying to defend this awful practice. It's great if there are those that managed to survive it, or endure it, (and better yet, escape it) but it should never be defended because of the harm it still causes.

[@bekimbal9658]

@@acronen Sauron? Wasn't that a fictitious movie? How does that explain why Jesus and His followers were the most hated people on earth in their day? "he was hated for being an egomaniac, and sexual predator." Joseph Smith never produced any children with any of his wives besides his first one. Think about that. And the Church in those days was 100% against abortion and all forms of birth control. I could plainly show you why Joseph Smith was hated by the world, and still is to this day, but I fear you lack the ability to understand what I am talking about: " I [Jesus] have given them[His disciples] thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I [Jesus] am not of the world." John 17:14 "11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. "12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." Matthew, Chapter 5

[@acronen]

@@bekimbal9658 Fictitious book made into a movie. You are almost there, almost connecting the dots. Keep going. Also, please, plainly show me why Joseph was hated by other people around him. Most of the world didn't even know he existed. Keep your insults out of this, as my ability to understand things isn't what you need to worry about. Your ability to understand and accept reality is where your worries should be. Your scriptures show and offer nothing to that effect I am afraid, since biblical scriptures are a claim that need evidence to back up their validity. They cannot be used to make other claims valid, sorry.

[@bekimbal9658]

@@acronen "he was hated for being an egomaniac, and sexual predator." - acronen "Keep your insults out of this," - acronen "Fictitious book made into a movie." Okay, so it was a fictitious work. You got me there. Pretty much everyone in the United States knew who Joseph Smith was during his lifetime. Today he is known throughout the world, and everyone who knows anything about him, has a strong opinion on him, good or bad. That is okay because it was prophesied to be that way. There is nothing about "Mormon Scriptures" ( not personal viewpoints) that is in conflict with any known unalterable fact or any physical unalterable law. It does conflict with the personal and professional opinions of nearly everyone now alive. You can disregard the testimonies of thousands of early Latter-day Saints, who testified they seen angels, they spoke in tongues, prophesied in tongues and interpreted in tongues etc. Of course they were all lying right? Or they were all deceived per chance, as in that angel or heavenly vision they seen was just a figment of their imaginations? But you are not coming to me with an open mind, are you? You are here to attack. Pretty much everything said against the early Mormons has already been said against first century Christians, so there is no new thing under the sun. Whatever was done to Joseph Smith was also done to the prophets throughout the old and new testaments who were put to death for the message they carried to the world. That is just the way things have always been. Look, we can trade insults til the cows come home. I have been in this same debate more times than I can remember. So if you truly have something to say beyond the usual predicted talking points then by all means attack. Otherwise, I have said my piece, and if anyone chooses to believe like me then that makes me happy. If there is nobody left in this world who believes like me, then that is okay too, because that is the way it was meant to be. I know what I know. I worship God according to the dictates of my conscience, and if everyone ultimately chooses to believe another way, I am totally fine with that too. If someone attacks me or my religion, I may or may not choose to defend it. This isn't my channel, I learned very well how easy it is to be censored. Sometimes, the less said the better, and whoever is meant to believe, will believe. Have a good night.

[@josephdanieljirehdimacali4418]

There are still some other Mormon sect not related to LDS which practice polygamy to this day.

[@rabbithole2015]

The mainstream lds church still believes in polygamy to this day.

[@cailynjoy8129]

every time i tell my mom something about church history she says, “is this relevant to my salvation” how do i respond to that?

[@BethanyKay]

Yes!! It's relevant to taking back the power of Connecting to the Divinity within herself - without having to go through a corrupted authority who is blocking that connection by giving her a never-ending list of rules she must follow in order to access it! It's hard to help people see how much the church is damaging their spirituality because they think it's the "source", but it's the BLOCK.

[@doubleirishdutchsandwich4740]

I remember being told there was polygamy in Heaven and making a shocked face and being quickly told "it's ok, it's just because more girls go to heaven". So yay girls lol.

[@richardprice9979]

Joseph practiced polygamy just a few years because he was killed. He was told by an Angel to put this practice in affect 10 years before. He knew what the consequences were if he did begin this practice in public. One thing is sure, Jesus is coming soon and if you have persuaded others wrongly, you will face Him with that on you.

[@genehart261]

This is very courageous but the truth has set you free.

[@Tuesdays86]

Amen, Sister!

[@BethanyKay]

thanks for watching my channel! Hope you are doing well in your journey out. ♥

[@Ex-LDS]

Where can I read that Joseph Smith was not sealed to his parents and children when he was alive?

[@BethanyKay]

www.mormonthink.com has the most comprehensive list of resources I have come across.

[@rebeccabaker5896]

My mother in law always says that flawed humans that don’t follow doctrine aren’t proof the religion doesn’t exist.

[@kevinmarkfilms]

"Flawed humans" haha. If it walks like a cult-leader, talks like a cult-leader and has sex with its followers like a cult-leader... it's probably a GD cultleader!

[@josephsorg]

We are all flawed humans... but Joseph Smith was a horrible person. Look into the real history of his charterer and actions and then decide.

[@BethanyKay]

We're not talking about common mistakes of flawed humans in these videos, we're talking about the deliberate cover-ups of lies told by a gigantic Institution. The Institution would like to blame the members for being human rather than take accountability. But we are holding the Institution accountable.

[@josephsorg]

You should read the biography of Leonard Arrignton by Gregory Prince.Y ou can get it from the Library. Leonard Arrington was the first professional church historian. He kept excellent journals and records. The biography was written from his journals. The author is a very respected Biographer and member of the church. In the 1970's Arrington was given full access to the churches archives to organize the archives and write an updated church history. When it became clear the churches narrative did not add up... and all the problems discussed here (and more) came to light ...What did the Brethren do? Sealed the archives...disbanded the history department... prevented books with the facts from being published... and threatened the historians into silence silence. After reading this book it became clear to me that the deception is intentional... that the leaders of the church know the narrative is not true, and for control and financial gain they continue to and hide the facts and lie.

[@rebeccabaker5896]

To be clear, I’m non Mormon. I was more just stating the depths members go to defend. But, still interested in reading what you suggested 🙂

[@planetrocker6984]

mormons polygyny is legal in US ? is it allowed by other versions of christianity ? and what are the rights of the man in front of a possible lesbians party ? which is very likely in islamic marriages too... if anyone knows for sure, please respond...

[@longnamenocansayy]

bigamy is a legal term. when a man marries women who don't know about each other it's bigamy. bigamy is against the law, and was always aganst the law in the states. joseph smith was a bigamist. polygamy is a religious term. in polygamy both wives know about each other. adultery is when you're doing someone who is not your wife. joseph smith was an adulterer. btw bigamy was always illegal. polygamy was specifically made illeagal by abraham lincolon in the territories. it is against the law for muslims to immigrate to america because polygamy is against the law .

[@planetrocker6984]

​@@longnamenocansayy so in any case polygyny is illegal ? at any state ? i use the term gyny which sources from the word gynaika woman... in europe it should be legal just for muslim families... i am trying to find an alternative to islam cause i cannot work all day long but with polygyny allowed and the same time the man should be covered legally on a possible lesbians party...

[@longnamenocansayy]

@@planetrocker6984 if you're talking about mormonism you are using the wrong word. the gny ending refers to women as in gynecology. polygny the practice or condition of having more than one wife at one time. as in men doing it to more than one woman. in nauvoo women did it to more than one man, and men did it to more than one woman. the lines between marriage and adultery and promiscuity being stretched very thin. you have to know for example, joseph smith was doing other men's wives (marriage? that's using the term very loosely). ask your seminary teacher why the church doesn't admit to being a sex cult pure and simple.

[@Glittlecub]

5 salty mormons not wanting to acknowledge the truth. Rip off the bandaid!

[@BethanyKay]

haha. It's too massive a realization for many to come to. Life changing. Thanks for watching my channel. ♥

[@kevinmcallister9089]

Lol I got an lds ad

[@BethanyKay]

haha, that makes sense because I think youtube thinks this is a religious channel. I always get christian ads when I pull up my vids too.

[@kevinmcallister9089]

@@BethanyKay Haha I love your videos! I am an ex mormon too. Ghanks for replying!

[@rickhuntling7338]

Love all the truth brought into the light, treasures in Heaven will be yours.

[@jaquino451]

And you tell the truth about the LDS they throw you out the church.

[@christianmendozatapia295]

Joseph Smith and Muhammad seem to have a lot in common.

[@BethanyKay]

My mom freaked when I told her that. No religion wants to admit their founders or leaders have done horrible things. They all believe it's the OTHER religions that have the problems.

[@christianmendozatapia295]

@@BethanyKay it was both politically motivated. Since men have historically been in power it would make more sense to lure them into their religion by promising access to women. It still goes on. Haven't u ever heard of a "jack-mormon"? That's a guy whose married to a Mormon lady but not a complete believer himself. Mormons run police, fire and power stations all over so Cal. They're a mafia.

[@mxnmeninzor16]

Smith keeping his rap sheet?

[@freethinker1026]

Joseph believed he was within his rights to destroy the printing press and in a letter to governor Ford stated as much and said that if he was found to be in error he would pay for the damage done. I would love to know what you consider to be "well documented"? I would also encourage anyone to fact check the information being presented in this video. One fact you left out was that Oliver Cowdrey never wrote "affair" he wrote scrape and someone else crossed it out and wrote in the word affair.

[@longnamenocansayy]

i have read anti mormon books and pro mormon seminary books. it is absolutely 100% impossible to get well documented history of the church, because whatever historians document as truth, the church calls a lie. the mormon church is even embarrassed by the history of the church that david whitmer wrote, even though god himself, officially called david whitmer to be church historian.. books that can be download pdf, epub, html, etc. from internet archive include: many books for free download: by his own hand no man knows my history, by juanita brooks, women of mormonism jennie froiseth wife no. 19 brigham young's 19th wife rocky mountain saints by tbh stenhouse mormon banditi ( by col. j.m.reid from keokuk,iowa which is on the other side of the missippi from nauvoo) john d lee confessions (executed for mountain meadows massacre) banditi of the prairie by edward bonney (a sort of tell all book of the danites in nauvoo by one of the pack) confessions of bill hickman confessed danite murderer 3 books by fanny stenhouse expose of mormonism etc. an address to all believers in christ also an internet freeby is: an address to all believers in christ. ( a must read) just type in an address to all believers in christ. also the book of john whitmer who was the first historian of the church, called by god himself in revelation from joseph smith. chapter 20 he documents the roberry and threats of murder by joseph smith and the boys. google book of abraham project (i just type boap) then in the search bar type book of john whitmer then klik the next link then you should be on the book of john whitmer then drill down to chapter 20.

[@BethanyKay]

By "Fact Check", do you mean you're only allowed to read the hand-picked revised Church narrative, and disregard all historic documentation?

[@longnamenocansayy]

@@BethanyKay you said the roots of masonry are in christianity. i strongly disagree. the roots of masonry is in baal worship. masonry teaches it's greater truth by using symbols. one of the symbols is a checkerboard square. the black and white squares are symbolic of a man. sometimes he goes black. sometimes he goes white. sometimes he is bad, sometimes he is good. that is not christianity. christianity says man has a sin nature, and the only way he can be saved is if god reaches down from heaven and intervenes. masonry is works progression, and christianity is salvation by grace. i have no interest at all in what any mormon says about anything. but if you have any documentation that says masonry comes from christianity i would be interested. there are christians in masonry i know. they either do not know what they are involved in or they are not christian. i've heard christians defend shriners. the red fez comes from a battle between moslems and christians where the christians were slaughtered, and a man could take his hat (fez) off and dip it into the pools of blood and wear it dripping with the blood of christians on his head. shriners is masonic and it is not christian. i already told you what the square and compass represent. square is put on the right side of mormon garments; occulticly correct because right side is strong. compass on the left is occulticly correct because compass is female weaker side. mormonism is thinly veiled masonry, and masonry is thinly veiled baal worship.

[@BethanyKay]

@@longnamenocansayy I'm not a mormon, so you don't have to worry about listening to a mormon about anything. I got my information from a Freemason documentary talking about how a Protestant man created the modern rituals and wording.

[@longnamenocansayy]

@@BethanyKay thank you for such a quick response. i know you're not a mormon. i have a lot of respect for you. i watched a lot of your videos. they are very good. whether or no masonry is christian we may have to agree to disagree. if you read my last post you see why i say what i said. another youtube person is bill schnoebelen. he was mormon, mason and a witch. now he is a christian. he has a lot to say on the subject. i have been praying for the downfall of mormonism for 40 years. we are now witnessing a great exodus from behind the zion curtain that many people have been praying for for a long time. it must make you feel good to be a part of it.

[@terrycarleson6371]

Great

[@BethanyKay]

thanks for watching my channel Terry! ♥

[@bagnasbayabas]

Did you know that prophet Joseph Smith resisted 3 times before he accepted the responsibility of having that law of polygamy? It was the angel who had that flaming sword that scared Emma to allow prophet Joseph Smith to continue polygamy. Do your research please.

[@etcomehome39]

You think God commanded polygamy? Think again. What kind of God is that? You are so brain washed.

[@paulgregersen3570]

If your an unbeliever why do you care? What is this all doing for you?

[@chriswatson3464]

We are worried about children caught up with religious falsehoods to no fault of their own. We have more if you want.

[@paulgregersen3570]

@@chriswatson3464 Why aren't you worried about your children believing propaganda made to look like something being evil when if you honestly researched it you find it's obviously just the opposite. The entire media makes Trump look he is worse than Hitler but for those who openly research his accomplishments as president it's just the opposite. Watch my videos titled "LDS Transaction law suit" How LDS critics just lost in court lying to you" part 1,2,3,4 and witness how the same dishonest trickery used against Trump has been used to deceave you and your children about Joseph Smith. Or, do you live your whole life believing just one side of important contriversies.

[@paulgregersen3570]

@@chriswatson3464 Suppose right now I can prove everything you have ever heard can be proven undeniably false to the point it will be impossible to hold your current opinions ever again.

[@chriswatson3464]

@@paulgregersen3570 your comment was about lack of belief and why people argue against the existence of God/religion. Your rant doesn't mean anything. I would argue that children have a right to hear about religion including mormonism and to get baptised at say age 16 if they want.

[@paulgregersen3570]

@@chriswatson3464 Nobody argues with that. Never heard anybody say different in my whole life. My parents asked me when I was 7 years old if I wanted to be baptised. If other kids didn't get asked I donnot even care. Because when your older you make up your mind about it anyway. The church doesn't suppress diversity of thought as long as you don't inflict your views upon others in the church. This church teaches every Sunday school lesson with full audience participation unlike other churches where everybody sits and listens to one guy preach all day with one opinion without anybody offering another view. Maybe that's why millions are latter-day saints today and not just hundreds like most other churches.

[@AutisticPreacher]

i was wondering what is the exact reason why you fought so hard against the information you shared and why you wanted the church to be true rather than wanting to find the True church somewhere else? Was it an issue of the fear of the unknown or something else?

[@BethanyKay]

Because, as with any cult, you are taught that there can be NO happiness for the people who leave, there is a ton of fear-mongering about those people on the "outside", and for another thing I didn't want to find out my entire life was based on a LIE. That was the most devastating part.

[@alexblake5743]

Joseph Smith is probably the most controversial figure in American history. Depending on which true stories you want to tell and how you tell them you can make him a scoundrel or a saint. Moroni told Joseph that his name would be had for good and evil all over the world. That prophecy is fullfilled. You told some truth in this video but left out important facts as well. Kettle calling the cat black? I emphasize with your struggle though. Not all emotional experiences are spiritual. Too bad you didn't figure that out. Some spiritual experiences are real. I hope you find God some day. God loves you. Cheers.

[@BethanyKay]

haha, only a Mormon would say that Joseph is the most controversial figure in American History because they think the world revolves around their church. You realize that with over 8 billion people on the planet, and mormon numbers declining well below the 15 million they used to claim, less than .01% of the population is actually in the ONE TRUE church?

[@benzun9600]

Not sure which church you went to. We talk about polygamy and Jospehs many wifes many occasions in church Sunday School. Even many of the members came from polygamist families. Yeah he even practiced polyandry and married 14 year old child. Big Yawn fest really. NOt a surprise. Yeah Joseph looked at rocks to get revelation. Who thinks this is new information?

[@BethanyKay]

Mormon procedure for finding out uncomfortable truth: 1- Shock, obviously it's an ANTI-mormon LIE 2. Excuses, okay, maybe it's not actually that bad 3. Old News, okay I think I actually already knew this all along...

[@longnamenocansayy]

@Jeff Webb not too many people know about it in the church. they usually deny it and call you a liar if you expose the truth

[@j.huffhumble4281]

Great video !!! Lots of information !!! But bad behavior doesn’t mean the Book of Mormon isn’t true ? See , that what a lot of people don’t get !!! If we went by human behavior in the history of people and God we’d have a long list !!!! Peter denied Christ !!! David lusted after a woman and killed her husband Judas betrayed Christ Noah was a drunk Lot slept with his daughter So many people of God that either were cowards or hypocrites and yet loved Christ ????? Joe Smith isn’t alone if you believe he did these things ? We have many examples of bad behavior in church history

[@christinerosenquist7657]

J. Huff Humble Incorrect in your reference to every name listed with the exception of Peter as being men of God. The examples of these people written in the bible is to show sin and the consequences of their sin and how God deals with their sin. It demonstrates Gods sovereignty over all and the victory at the cross over sin. The bible is very clear and easy to understand if you actually read it for what it says. The book of Mormon is fiction.

[@j.huffhumble4281]

Christine Rosenquist I read the Bible , it’s amazing And it is the word of God But it doesn’t mean the Book of Mormon isn’t true !!! I grew up Mormon, Catholic, and southern Baptist due to my family being so big !!!! I read both books. I think they are both true !!!! And I’m a born again Mormon that believes in grace through Christ from the blood on the cross !!!! Christine, I respect your views ! I also have grown up in these three churches !!! The best people in the world !!! I gave my heart to Christ at 19. I am a happy man with a loving family and good friends !! If the Book of Mormon isn’t true and Joe Smith was a con man , then why is my life so awesome and the Holy Ghost always there to guide me and comfort me ???? Can you explain that ????

[@j.huffhumble4281]

Christine Rosenquist I think I was pretty on point Noah ? Lot ? David ? And Peter walked with Christ and still denied him 3 times ??? My point was, joe Smith isn’t the only person in theological history that had bad behavior - And even with bad behavior , they still loved Christ !!!! That was my point That’s why this video is weak

[@christinerosenquist7657]

1 John 2:19

[@larrycornett6030]

@@j.huffhumble4281 it's not about Joseph Smith's bad behavior, it's about the bullshit that he taught

[@iconacy]

again being sealed to a woman is not a marriage in a temporal sense it is strictly spiritual. JS was not married to these women who had husbands.

[@louchlynfraser4641]

You really do need to do some research before you parrot what you heard in Sunday School. Literally everyone knows more about Mormonism than Mormons for the simple fact that everyone else will actually look at the history where as Mormons will not. Mormonism is like a big game of Marco Polo. Everyone else has their eyes open and can clearly see what's up but Mormons have their eyes closed and won't look at the evidence because "muh testimony". The funniest part is that Mormons will presume to to be knowledgeable and spread obvious misinformation that everyone else can see plain as day for the absurdity it is because they were willing to spend 20 minutes doing some unbiased research where as Mormons will only study things that teach about how "true" the Church is. Pro Tip. If you need to constantly repeat that something is true then it probably isn't. When was the last time you needed to have a meeting with your community to reaffirm to each other of literally any other objective truth? Do you need to constantly indoctrinate yourself that gravity is "true"? That Water is wet or the Sky is Blue? No, no you don't. Then why would you accept that if you deviate from the relentless self-indoctrination program of reading scriptures daily, praying constantly, and attending Church activities several times a week you will "lose your testimony" that the Church is true? There is no truth that requires that much convincing or constant indoctrination. There is and there isn't. Mormon truth claims are clearly isn't.

[@sallymclimmont9340]

Hi Iconacie, I was wondering if you have read the Gospel Topics essay on the subject at www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng&old=true ? In there it states 'During the era in which plural marriage was practiced, Latter-day Saints distinguished between sealings for time and eternity and sealings for eternity only. Sealings for time and eternity included commitments and relationships during this life, generally including the possibility of sexual relations. Eternity-only sealings indicated relationships in the next life alone. Evidence indicates that Joseph Smith participated in both types of sealings.' I might be reading this wrong - but I believe this means Joseph was having sex with his wives. We also know from at least Sylvia Sessions Lyons that she thought at least she was having sex with Joseph, as she told her daughter Josephine that she was Josephs.. This was one of the polyandrous relationships.

[@BethanyKay]

then why does the scripture say it was only to perpetuate his seed???

[@highlandparkgeneraldetroit7715]

@@louchlynfraser4641 Haha 😆 that is the best comment yet , dam I'm stealing it

[@iconacy]

1800's 14 year olds were allowed to get married. today a 14 year old can get married in some states with parental consent. GUESS WHAT the 14 year old JS married gave concent with the permission from her mother and father. NO CRIME COMMITTED. other than that of polygamy which was never legal in the united states, God Gives a commandment I am going to do it weather its against the laws of the land or not. JS is INNOCENT.

[@Etharel]

iconacie adopting teenage girls and then having sex with them as a caregiver, if not a crime, is definitely deplorable by any standard.

[@acronen]

I really hope you don't have a daughter.

[@sallymclimmont9340]

14 year olds did occasionally get married back then - but when they did they were marrying people

[@all4jesus594]

@@sallymclimmont9340 you are deluded

[@BethanyKay]

sigh....READ THE JOURNALS OF THE VICTIMS BEFORE DECLARING INNOCENCE because you've only listened to the defendant's century old excuses.

[@iconacy]

WOW JS DID NOT NEED PERMISSION FROM EMMA TO BE SEALED TO OTHER WOMEN. if my wife died I can be sealed and married to another woman making me a polygamist in the next life I did not need my dead wife's permission.

[@acronen]

I dare you to try to get sealed to another woman right now while your wife is alive without her permission. Go on, and see how well that goes over.

[@sallymclimmont9340]

Perhaps not permission but in D&C 132:61, it does state that she must be given the opportunity to consent (which did not happen for most of them) and of course the other wives must be virgins. The 10-12 wives he married who were already married to other living men, obviously do not meet these conditions - at least one was already pregnant when he married her (Zina). BTW The church admits the polyandry in their recent Gospel Topics Essay at www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng&old=true Footnote 29.

[@all4jesus594]

@@sallymclimmont9340 the church is inoculating.

[@raymond1842]

People believe what they want to believe. If the Church teachings don't fit your lifestyle you can easily find a way out and then make videos to try to justify your decision. If you can persuade others to join you in exiting it appeases the guilty conscience. The sad state of anti Mormons

[@longnamenocansayy]

the sad sad state of mormons. you are in a cult. why would you possibly want to be considered christian if all the creeds of chrstianity are an abomination? don't attack christianity and then say you're a christian. admit you're in a sex cult. admit you believe in polygamy and that you will become a god with many godess wives and you think you will live forever having sex with all your godess wives. admit you don't believe in hell. christians believe jesus saves from hell. you don't believe in a hell. you believe in 3 degrees of glory. no hell no need for jesus to save from hell no need for a saviour.

[@acronen]

Or, maybe, just maybe there is no guilty conscience. Or should we flip the script so you can see how absurd you sound. Crazy how so many mormons try to justify their belief by constantly bearing their testimony, and sharing it to justify their decision to believe in some demonstrably false things. Crazy how they try to persuade others to join them all the time to make themselves feel better about their choice to believe in these absurdities. The sad state of anti reality Mormons.

[@raymond1842]

@@longnamenocansayy We really don't care much about what the Mormon haters have to contribute. We will do just fine and always have. Christ's Church has always been persecuted. We also aren't too concerned that "Christians" don't think we are Christian. You have found anti mormon tales that you want to believe so there is no changing your mind. You make claims that have some truth but are really ignorant of Mormon Doctrine. You sound like you were probably a member of the Church until you found out that our Church actually requires something of its members and then you started looking for the door. Unaccountability is peaceful for some people.

[@raymond1842]

@@acronen For those that have made up their minds and don't want to look at a scholarly apposing view you will just have to wait and see won't you.

[@acronen]

@@raymond1842 Oh my, please, please, please look at ANY scholarly view on just about any topic discussing mormonism. You will find they are overwhelmingly not in favor of mormonism. I'm not the one that has made up my mind, it appears you have though and can't let information in.

[@iconacy]

polygamy was a calling like every other position in the church. most of the church members did not practice this and marriage was, and still is, between 1 man and 1 woman. yet im sure you are pro gay and lesbian marriage aren't you? I think with this actual abominations of acts that Mormons should be allowed to practice their beliefs in full.