Bethesda Devs Speak About Elder Scrolls VI

[@KIWITALKZ]

Full Interviews Nate Purkeypile - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hICWeq2rjNGkb6M Bruce Nesmith - kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3KYeZuqfMmNg9E Will Shen - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnS8oadvj8xqma8 Dennis Mejillones - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5O2noJ9j9Ogm68

[@thestaminabs]

I completely disagree. Of course there will be the barrier of nostalgia. But if Elder Scrolls 6 is a true advancement of the Elder Scrolls formula it will succeed. If it has thoughtful writing and open ended quest designs people will resonate with it. If it has excellent Armour and Weapon designs people will want to collect them. If the world is interesting and is beautiful people will want to explore it. It's not that it's hard to supersede a game like Skyrim. It's that a game like Skyrim is hard to make and takes a lot of time. Sometimes a massive team isn't the best thing when it comes to an exceedingly large game that should have a somewhat consistent tone and quality. Too many clashing ideas. At some point there is a diminishing return when it comes to team size, and I would say Bethesda Game Studios had already begun to reach that point during Fallout 4's development

[@zebraflappins8774]

That's a lot of ifs and a lotta yapping for a game that has no chance

[@kaerakapten88]

There are Always ifs and buts but again do it properly and it will be a good game, stop comparing it to Skyrim, it will be a different game it might be better, or might be worse, but it CAN be a good game

[@amazinghorizon8270]

@@zebraflappins8774 They absolutely have a chance, just make the dungeons more unique, reduce load screens, improve the writing and make the Faction Questlines as long as they were in Oblivion. And keep all the good stuff from previous games. Aka the Skill Tree from Skyrim, the Spellcrafting from older games, Levitation and Mark/Recall, …, modding capability and the Lore from Morrowind. And it would already be a game that will be remembered fondly.

[@zebraflappins8774]

@amazinghorizon8270 brother you just gave me a list of things they demonstrably can't do anymore. They're still using the same engine from oblivion which came out 19 years ago(and that engine is up-cycled from even earlier games), just about everyone from that era save for Todd and his lies are gone. You have already asked too much from the studio that could barely release Starfield after many delays.

[@kaerakapten88]

@zebraflappins8774 not true engine is a new one although it's based on the one you mentioned, I agree on starfield, but that don't mean this game can't be a good one if they take example from Larian and learn from mistakes. Only time will tell, and I bet we got a long wait to do

[@hollow3900]

I remember in the early interviews with Todd Howard and how excited he was for Elder Scrolls 6, talking about how the technology wasn’t up to par yet with what they wanted to do. It sounds like he had some really innovative ideas at the time! But now they act like they’re already defeated. I wish him and Bethesda could have that same excitement again, but it must be hard with a different team, and their working environment has probably changed drastically with Microsoft and shareholders breathing down their necks. That would stunt almost any artist or creative person with that kind of working environment.

[@sillyninja65]

they developed 2 games no one wanted they defeated themselves

[@dingickso4098]

Fallout 4 was already a mess, the billionaire shareholders were always there.

[@lazilycatharticone4191]

The cynic in me wants to say that was just Todds excuse to put TES on ice while they made F76 and starfield. But maybe they did have some great ideas at the time and came to the realization that either the creation engine or their coder/programmers couldn't handle those ideas. Bad times.

[@zebraflappins8774]

@@hollow3900 It would help if Todd wasn't always telling his sweet little lies

[@hankdedalus]

The only thing that will save Bethesda now is if they stop focusing on watering down the games and rather go all out if they still can at this point. All this time they should have been adding onto their games not taking away.

[@dingickso4098]

When they done with Morrowind, they were on the verge of bankruptcy, but fortunately the players loved it because the devs poured all their skills into the project it was a win or lose situation.

[@nisem0no]

It's just sounding like devs have grown jaded and are talking about how intimidated they are by legacy. I'm glad they're not working on the game, TBH. I want it to be made my people who feel excited and motivated by the IP, not like it's a ball and chain.

[@SithisShapedHole]

I cant help but reluctantly agree, as much respect as I've got for these guys, Will Shen in particular, this feels so misaligned with what launched TES into what it is today. BGS was in a similar position with the era surrounding Morrowind and they found a way to make it and reinvent TES, they always reinvent.. lately its almost like someone walked into their office and casted demoralize. Its not impossible to make a good game again, I love all their games. Skyrim wasn't even their biggest leap really just the most well known.. They really shouldn't feel like Skyrim is this unconquerable achievement that they will never top, Skyrims a cultural phenomenon sure but if you really ask what an actual TES fan wants they'll tell you about what makes The Elder Scrolls so great, its all right there, and they are doing cool shit like making mods and writing books, and didn't just play Skyrim. Bethesda should really, just make the TES game they'd want to see as fans. These people are nerds too. They all played Arena and Morrowind and Daggerfall and Oblivion and Redgaurd (maybe lol) and read up on lore once or twice...TES is such a rich universe that all it will ever need is an adoring fan to see its promise, become inspired, and make an Elder Scrolls 6 that will blow peoples socks off. Its a genius IP! An infinite goldmine that gives you a good game or book practically all on its own!

[@ByteRoster]

Nobody asked for Betheada to wait a decade and a half to start delivering on a sequel, this is a bed they've made for themselves 🤷

[@BernardoPC117]

So more time = more expectation? That's a ridiculous, you are not spending decade and a half, you are spending X amount of $$, the price of the product is the only thing that should influence your expectation.

[@jfkst1]

@@BernardoPC117 More time = more technology and comparisons = more expectations. Which is perfectly reasonable and normal in EVERY industry.

[@williamlazenby314]

​@@BernardoPC117 I think you missed the entire point of the comment.

[@oneilc818]

@@BernardoPC117 Lmao. Wrong.

[@BernardoPC117]

@@williamlazenby314 Well before he edited the original comment my response made more sense. 🙂

[@thescarletpumpernel3305]

I don't think expectations are any different than they were for Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim people really just want the new stories set in the world with a graphical overhaul, none of the games introduced markedly radical or superior mechanics compared to the previous title.

[@damonmlinaric9254]

They cant just have another combat system that would take a noob a month to learn how to build though theres too many better stuff out there it will be compared to now unlike when those games were coming out

[@AHungryHunky]

Nah, there are definitely different expectations this time around. I have been gaming since the 90s and a lot of rhetoric around gaming has shifted. It used to be fun talking about new games coming out. I remember in the late 2000s many content creators making animations and songs in anticipation for new games, now it feels like gamers are rooting for games to fail before they even get a foot in the door. Its a bizarrely toxic discourse, of course launches like CP2077 and NMS haven't helped. Its just so strange to me though how something like Harry Partridge's animations have been replaced with some low-effort rambling about how if the next game doesn't include some arbitrary upgrades that the studio is going to die, 2 days after the latest release.

[@genericwhitemale9566]

Every elder scrolls game gets more simplistic every time they release a new one. Skyrim was already vastly more simplified than Oblivion, so I'm terrified by how much they're likely going to streamline ES6 to make it more appealing to a wider audience. What can they even do? Take the open world out and have every quest be walking in a straight line where you kill a randomly generated enemy? Make every weapon look identical with slightly different stats?

[@alexanderstilianov]

I think the opposite is happening: with Bethesda waning reputation in the last few years, fan expectations are lower than ever.

[@Pebphiz]

I'm not even looking forward to TES6 at this point lol.

[@SlurSlander]

I hope they learned from Starfield's minor failure, it was an opportunity for them to make a game series that no one had played before and so they got alot of useful criticism due to most people not being blinded by fanboyism. Hopefully they took it as "we need to re-evaluate how we do things" and not as "we need to not make any more games outside of our established series".

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

What failure??? That unless we bow to gaming terrorists and give the game to the playstation it fails?! Never. Starfield is the best game ever.

[@Donnie_Oculus]

@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yodelusional take. You gotta be baiting/trolling. I refuse to believe anyone thinks starfield was anything better than 5/10. At least anyone with a half functioning brain..

[@ElAssoWipe-o]

Minor failure??????? The game sucked and not only that, why are you ignoring the abomination known as Fallout 76? You talked about being blinded by fanboyism, and yet, here you are being that very thing.

[@roozbeh6999]

​@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo Bait or mental retardation Call it

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

@ElAssoWipe-o just because you couldn't use it to wipe your behind like you do with your switch

[@appleicatpromax7069]

Time spent whining about unmeetable expectations vs. Time spent actually working on TES6

[@johnlemon874]

Sir they're doing an interview

[@cade-made]

brother none of these people work there anymore 💀

[@sowsoi3472]

Expectations? People dont want a perfect game, we just want what skyrim was. Im not sure they really understand what the fans want and its worrying

[@ThomG11]

skyrim was perfect lol

[@JakeRyanBooth]

I don’t give a shit what anyone says. I don’t give a fuck about how long it takes to make a game. When you’re a company who has FOUR studios under one company, and you’ve openly contracted help from other outside companies before to improve your game, you’re literally owned by Xbox, they paid BILLIONS to own you, you’re the superstar studio of the line up of companies that were acquired from the Bethesda Softworks acquisition. You are their goldmine. You have all the resources in the world to make multiple games at the same time. Yet you choose to make one game at a time 5 to 10 years a piece. That shit is pathetic and inexcusable. This is because of Todd Howard and his insatiable lust for wanting to put his seal of approval on every fucking thing. His pride and ego for wanting to be involved with everything and anything to do with fallout and elder scrolls is the problem. He has stated in the past that the Bethesda Maryland studio has to be the one to make the game. No one else. This is why we don’t get spinoffs. This is why we don’t get quality product anymore. They let the same dog shit group of people who never learned from their mistakes continuously work on these games. Fallout 4 is a complete mess to this day, Fallout 76 was a corpse for 2 years before it was revived and it still sucks, Starfield was absolutely embarrassing. I have zero confidence that TES 6 will be a great game as long as Todd Howard is at the helm of it. Same goes for Emil Pagliarulo.

[@jfkst1]

Yes expectations will be high. Profit will also be high if they do a good job. Welcome to reality.

[@mrAMMW]

Most correct opinion here, these mofos expect us to buy products like hot cakes and be happy. Well when it turns out that those hot cakes are from half spoiled and plain, people wont like it. And more important then opinions of critics, the game is still in development, how about they just invest more money into making the game better? its called return on investment, have people forgotten about the concept? If any other company, say coca cola, suddenly made shitty products, who in their right mind would defend the producer?

[@SuperSupper2]

Yikes

[@G_Silent]

IMO, right attitude is to accept that Skyrim is a package of nostalgia that will Never be superseded. It’s childhood memories, young adult memories, it’s untouchable in that respect. The Elder Scrolls 6 will be a New game, with new experiences, just as Starfield was a new game which feels and plays differently. Putting critical review aside, if we start to put these unrealistic expectations behind us, we can focus on what TES 6 is and not what it’s isn’t.

[@williamlazenby314]

I cut my gaming teeth on Arena and Daggerfall back in the day. Skyrim was catering to an entirely different audience; the lack of customization and roleplaying narrative control were a letdown. It didn't inspire any nostalgia. Skyrim was kind of like a Narcan fix to the Morrowind and Oblivion Heroin.

[@lanatrzczka]

I feel the same way about Daggerfall and Morrowind as well as Skyrim. I'm glad that they are DIFFERENT games. I think of all the Elder Scrolls games like long novels that I can experience again over the years. The policy of allowing mods greatly enhances this aspect. I don't want Skyrim II. I hope for a new experience that adds to the lifetime of enjoying these games, where each installment stands on it's own.

[@magusjiro]

It's hard to call any bit of Skyrim "nostalgia" for me. I didnt start liking anything elder scrolls until around 2018, 8 years past high school. Skyrim, Oblivion, Morrowind are great games for different reasons. Even daggerfall. That's without nostalgia. Meanwhile starfield was just not that great. There were some cool ideas but the overall game just wasn't at the level of their past catalogue of games I have played.

[@Humancatpost]

It sounds like cope when they state that people’s expectations are colored by nostalgia and they’ll never make something good enough for the fans. It’s the same excuse Emil gave for not actually putting effort into writing, because players will ignore it. Always blame the players, when the goal is to make something incredible regardless of how you think people will interact with it. Bethesda knows what they need to do to build a winning game. They knew before starfield. Many of the exact same complaints starfield got were levied against Fallout 4.

[@unclerukmer]

I don't think they actually know anymore. All the people who gave the BGS "classics" that special element have left the company and the people there now are just guessing. Emil never knew which is why the games get worse and worse. And yes the "nostalgia" line is total cope. People just want a good Elder Scrolls game and what we are going to get is Elder Slop instead.

[@oneilc818]

@@unclerukmer lmao the games have not gotten worse and worse. tons of people still pay skyrim. the percentage of people still playing morrowind and oblivion is a small fraction in comparison.

[@bigfarting]

Emil is actually the worst

[@marksman8283]

Those games are also much older than skyrim

[@roozbeh6999]

​@@oneilc818 Because they streamlined TES games for normies to sell more , that's why Skyrim has more players , a half brain dead goat can probably finish Skyrim

[@nenirouvelliv]

We are going to get ES6 2050 confirmed!

[@asteroidalassassin6949]

Maybe Bethesda can't get as high of a score as skyrim, but come on bro. What is going on here?

[@Testify087]

I hope I’m still alive to play it

[@WeesloYT]

Interview with Bruce Nesmith was amazing

[@BabaSunWuYan]

As a player the only expectation I have for newer bethesda titles compared to the pervious games is the world building around the character. In skyrim there wasnt much to the factions story lines; you pretty much blow through the main plot of the theives guild and companions, and after its just sidequest (chores) where there isnt really anything to circle back to where having those "chore" quest in-between to earn more main parts to really immerse yourself in as a player. You dont even get to develop a relationship with the npc's involved in those faction storylines because they just automatically bestow you with this trust and rank of responsibility as if you spent a lot of time earning/ grinding for that respect and trust with in the factions where if you see a certain character die its not as impactful and maybe thats in the writing department we need to stay true to that frame of immersivness in the games. And if thats a factor where we have to wait so much time in order to have it so be it. As fans its our fault we storm these devs with blogs, social media post, fourums, memes,etc. To tells us about things we anticipate and thats what they did at E3 2019 or 20 they showed TES VI now we cant deal with waiting after its been announced and knew for a fact even with the time they announced; with new engines, new platforms, new tech there was no way they were even close to halfway on finishing such a game. So while everyone in the comments with their gripes this was sorta of on us.

[@marksman8283]

They did that teaser back in 2018... it's not as if this teaser trailer is 2 or 3 years old and people are complaining, it's genuinely as old as skyrim was when the teaser trailer released. Like not saying that I agree with all these dumb takes that people keep spewing but there is a reason for the complaints regarding it taking so long (like to put it into perspective the entire fromsoft catalog of souls games(from ds1 through elden ring) was released in the amount of time that it's taken between skyrim and starfield(Rockstar released the first red dead a year before skyrim and released the sequel plus gta5 since then and is on track to release gta6 before we get TES6) like I get that people shouldn't get so upset but I do understand why and trying to act like they're all baseless criticisms is basically sticking your head in the sand no offense.

[@Donnie_Oculus]

@@marksman8283Facts. Nothing but FACTS coming from you!

[@BabaSunWuYan]

@marksman8283 those games you just made examples of aren't nearly as big as skyrim in the terms of mechanics and open world, and to be fair GTA 5 drop in 2013 and GTA 6 is set to this year 2025 (as of now) for games that clean and that big it's understandable on the wait time the only mistake Todd Howard made was dropping the title sequence at that 2018 E3 conference before they actually had a handle on developing the game, but once again we HAD to know cause they did a couple of E3's before that and not even 4 days after those conferences it was article's back-to-back "Another Bethesda conference at E3 and no mention of a TES 6 in development" we were basically begging to know if the game we even exist. I personally wouldn't even expect them to that game ready by 2023-24 from when skyrim dropped unless they started it right after Fallout 4 which didn't happen evidently and we knew they weren't cause they never mention it's development. All I'm saying is I didn't expect them to have this game ready or even close because of how big they were going to go based on cleaning up the issues they had with skyrim and recent titles like fallout 4 which was to me a successful flop since it was a decent game but the writing and immersiveness wasn't all there. I just don't get what people expected.

[@BabaSunWuYan]

@marksman8283 and to an extent it is baseless criticism because we as fans are on the outside looking in and our attitude is "just do it" when we can't even fathom the process of scheduling and deadlines let alone game development which is why these interviews are insightful cause it's not like how college who major in art design/ and game development imagine it. As I said I stand by the fact Bethesda's true mistake was dropping the TES VI title before actually putting there hands on it.

[@marksman8283]

@BabaSunWuYan gta 5 is bigger so is read dead 2(read dead 2s map is actually double the size in fact) and the souls games all released in small enough time frames that map size is the stupidest comparison to make also elden ring has a larger map as well(about 5 square miles) but honestly I was only bringing up those games to give you a time frame of just how long this game has taken to be put into full production(which means we've got another 4-5 years with no delays 6-8 with) and they're probably gonna delay it because if they don't Xbox is likely gonna do layoffs and shuffle their ips away to other studios which would suck

[@imunfathomable]

I no longer care about TESVI. Sorry but Bethesda lost this customer.

[@wihx9071]

Ok😢😢😢😢😢😢🎉

[@greatcoldemptiness]

Nobody gives a single fuck man

[@harrisonb9911]

Sure thing we all know we are buying it when it comes out

[@Zhohan-]

Will, Nate, Bruce, and Dennis I'm sure mean well. They don't represent the entirety of Bethesda as developers. But let's be real, Bethesda at its peak was flawed and time has done it no favors. The corporate bureaucracy that's taken over it was reflected with how disappointing Starfield was. I have zero expectations for TESVI.

[@Josh_728]

Hot take - Bethesda was never good.

[@connorsol]

Dear Bethesda: Don't try to meet expectations of others. That pushes you to play it safe and neuter all brilliance. Instead, strive for something excellent and novel at the cost of predictable success (and thus, dependable but meager ROI for stakeholders.) The law of diminishing returns is a greater obstacle than the risk of an ambitious failure could be. And if that's not true, then your financial situation has already sunk your ship.

[@HouseJambo]

Cop outs. Bad excuses. We're not asking for the ulimate game. Most people just want it, AS good as Skyrim. Because we have no confidence it could be any better.

[@blackgameryanez3945]

This is my list 1.- Atmospheric Music 2.- Missions that make you wonder around 3.- BOW/Souls/Skyrim combat 4.- Sweet Rolls 5.- Arrow on the Knee jokes That's it

[@morrgash]

Now that AI can do so much with high quality results, development may take less time. Honestly I would love to see AI powered NPCs which are clever and whom the player can have good conversation with in a world which feels a lot more realistic.

[@bjelar]

They simply need to adopt the mantra "It isn't 2015 anymore" and they will do just fine.

[@louisrossner9307]

Maybe if they released games in reasonable timeframes the expectation could be met. The reason the expectation is so high is because it takes a million years to get the next entry into ES/Fallout.

[@k2d271]

@Nate why is that any different from any other game series? If you have to scale back it back to make it work (production cost) then scale it back. But of course.. people want the same as before - as good or even better than.. or different beats as well.

[@thecasual47]

I mean Todd has said the reason they pushed it off so far is because "the technology didn't exist yet". They could've made a more contained less ambitious mainline title and held off on Todd's big ideas until TES7. If we would've got just a good game I don't think they'd have this pressure and crazy expectations to deliver on their own promises

[@ArriGotto]

I like Starfield, I really do. But I feel like it flopped and the time spent on that would've been better spent towards the Elder Scrolls or Fallout. But it was hopefully a learning experience for Todd, Bethesda, and Microsoft.

[@roozbeh6999]

My expectations were set by Morrowind If you can't surpass a game from 2002 then you don't deserve my money

[@gerolfvanoudshoorn4359]

All they need to do is preserve same "Bethesda formula" that people liked in their older games and just slap on latest achievments in game graphics on it. Instead in Starfield they changed that formula for worse and now they are surprised that people did not like it.

[@magusjiro]

Who is expecting perfect? This is Bethesda. Bethesda used to make great games. But they kinda failed on starfield. Uninteresting places to explore, a lack of real roleplay, and the writing hasn't improved in years. More dialogue doesnt mean better writing. I can look past bugs, its hard to look past a bad game.

[@nathanmorgan5543]

You're first elder scrolls experience is the best. I'm a Morrowind as my First, everything after has been disappointing. Skyrim was a watered down kids game, less of everything from previous entries

[@Tuningforks85]

Thats tragic for you. Played all of them aswell. Skyrim imo pisses over all of them

[@nathanmorgan5543]

@Tuningforks85 it doesn't. It's an action adventure not an rpg, lacks magic, less creatures, most of them nords in the same armour. Quest lack any real story and location lack depth. I am happy you enjoyed it but

[@gerolfvanoudshoorn4359]

@@Tuningforks85 When Skyrim came out I thought it was a masterpiece, my first Elder Scrolls game. But I replayed it recently and I now see it has many faults and it is not as godly as I once thought.

[@roozbeh6999]

Not really , I played Skyrim first but after playing all of them I came to the realization that Morrowind is the best one

[@otterguyty]

A lot of complaining. Skyrim came out in 2011 literally a lifetime ago.

[@ieatass4226]

I do expect them to make a better UI than Skyrim modders. But Starfield’s UI shows their arrogance

[@_HPX_]

Is it expectations that have risen or is it players' standards? Beth has pissed fans off with each TES release. They often reboot all elements of the game rather than iterate, which alienates fans of certain elements that get streamlined or removed. But more generally, more people play games then ever, certainly more than since 2011. RPG's aren't niche anymore and in many ways Skyrim has been surpassed by games like Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3, not to mention CDPR's games. Todd's dream of evangelizing the RPG to the broad public has come to fuition. Only now, Skyrim's shortcomings are clearer for all to see, which of course extends to Fallout 4 and Starfield. Their games are simply shallower in comparison to other games in the genre; they don't prioritize writing, consequence, or systemic depth. They go maximalist instead. It was enough in the past to present players with their massive, beautiful simulations but it's demonstrably not enough anymore. I just don't think BGS should be looking at it as a game of "insurmountable expectations" so much as one of risen standards. What are they gonna do to rise to the occasion and prove themselves in a highly competitive genre? How are they going to make a game that will once again set industry standards and stand shoulder to shoulder with Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim? Each of these felt like quantum leaps from one to the next in terms of how they blended art and technology to court player freedom. They can do it again. They have all the resources and talent and enthusiasm in the world. It's simply a matter of looking both inward at themselves as a studio and outward at the landscape we find ourselves in instead of burying their heads in the sand and resting on their laurels and coasting on our nostalgia. Things have changed. They have to change too.

[@thinkingslinky]

It's called competition babes. There are great games coming, put little effort into it and you won't get bucks.

[@UptownEJ]

If they’re going to take their sweet a$$ time for ES6. The Oblivion remake and the same studio should deliver on a Morrowind remake to sustain us until then.

[@josdelijster4505]

28 29 aahh will be in my grave before it comes.. i am depressed now

[@josdelijster4505]

nothing like elderscrolls for me as the best since morrowwind

[@SaiyanJin85]

is it a high expectation to have a decent combat system??

[@ReachTea]

Once it goes past 6+ years of development I just don't have any interest, it's going to be too big, too vast, too much crap shoved into it, they're going to try to make a forever game, bleh..

[@geraltofbolivia9428]

Btw the extremely high expectations is completely Bethesdas fault. They put themselves in this situation. We could have gotten elder scrolls 6 after fallout 4 but no they decided to work on the master pieces that is fallout 76 and starfield

[@jimf4278]

Don’t forget TES online

[@GamerDude197]

Its not hard to give a better main story line and ending then the way that dumb dragon died.

[@rabadeuce814]

lmao these guys are prepping everyone - game's gonna suck.

[@az09Aintertest]

Those expectations are an imaginary barrier they have to ignore. Skyrim has a lot of problems. But it came out at the right time and had the right tone with a lot of very good aspects to overshadow the lesser ones. All they have to do is make Skyrim again but with another map, new tone, updated graphics and maybe a daring artistic direction (spoilers that won't happen, we all saw how bland Starfield looked). They just have to make a game they would want to play and yes it demands some talent and dedication but guess what ? That's how Skyrim was made.

[@NicholasWilliams-uk9xu]

It's not about managing expectations, it's the exploration dynamics. We need game developers to build a game they think is good and one they would play, don't listen to statistics or player feedback or even your boss (if you can get away with it), trust me, it will mess it up. Trust your brain, make it the way you want it to be.

[@BAR-Lifted]

I wanna run down as a Kat bashing heads in with a heal spell and waraxe equipped. I have no doubt they will deliver on all expectations, personally

[@finesseandstyle]

I expect for ES6 to be a 7/10. Everything's a little bit better, the map is not unnecessarily big but larger than skyrim, cities are gonna be a bit bigger, more npcs, some new travel gimmic like boat travel maybe and sword singing, the combat is probably gonna be decent, a little bit more magic but not nowhere near morrowind level of depth. Overall it's gonna be an enjoyable game, with tons of exploration but bethesda are gonna play it safe and not improve their glaring weakness like writing, ai systems, boring loot/unique item system, weak quests and most importantly loading screen fiesta that they can't seem to fix. The game will be released in 2028 ish but will feel like a game from 2018

[@nickswisher5261]

I will love it if it’s good. Of course it probably can’t match what Skyrim was for me when I was 11 lol

[@sneakybadgerjd1583]

Devs will come up with any excuse as to why their gsme won't be received well. "Oh you have too high expectations". No your results just aren't enough

[@nickb220]

well they know what people liked about skyrim

[@luissosa320]

Expextations almost impossuble to meet? My god... when I played fall out 4 I thought to myself. If they implement these details in ES6 it would be pretty cool... jeez. Cmon skyrim is a great game, but you guys didnt make Elden Ring

[@crappycrane7325]

This is completely the higher ups at Bethesda’s fault. The idea that the blame is on gamers for being excited and having high expectations is ridiculous. And btw it better be perfect or Bethesda we be gone 5 years after release. No one trusts the ability of this company anymore after fallout 4 & startrash

[@woody5476]

By the time it's done, it's going to flop, not because of high expectations, but because all the Elder Scrolls fans will be dead by then.

[@philipajfry]

I don't understand people justifying why their next work will be bad. Worrying about metascores and numbers. Focus on the art. Make something good from a place of passion. Their games keep devolving cause they keep making what they think people want. And what they think people want is wrong.

[@BioShock55Airsoft]

I don’t think their work is bad that has nothing to do with it, it’s a bunch of customers with rose tinted goggles that expect the game to have the same feeling as Skyrim had for them when they were 13

[@planetofthegames2843]

Let them take their time and cook

[@XtremeXbox]

2028 IS RIDICULOUS! Let alone any later. For gad sakes man, we had the teaser in 2018!!! That would make it a whole decade! It does not take an entire generation to make one game! They're purposely dragging their ass on TES6 and I would like to know why.

[@finesseandstyle]

Bethesda doesn't crunch and have amazing workplace conditions. It's great for the people working there but not for actually producing games at a good pace. The teaser they announced was purely to inform that TES6 is planned, nothing more

[@jimf4278]

Bethesda created this problem themselves. By waiting for ever ( and still counting) to make TES 6 they’ve allowed their fans to become obsessed with Skyrim ( especially because of the great modders) it will be impossible to top it. I myself am obsessed with Skyrim, I always do a new modded playthrough every year. They should have held off on TES online and released TES 6 first, and don’t get me started on starfield wasting 5 more years. They took their golden goose and pushed it to the back of the line. Good luck with TES 6, I’m sure it will be a major disappointment

[@Iceman-gm1fu]

if humans actually make it, it will be fine. we saw what happened with starfield.

[@StarfieldBattlefront]

I don't have faith anymore. Sorry. Not after fallout 4. And especially starfield.

[@ickysticky3672]

Doing damage control before the game is barely in production. Not a good look.

[@MiguelBaptista1981]

What a weak argument.

[@sillyninja65]

no if its amazing itll be amazing. its kind of simple really. skyrims the base line... ya make that and all its systems but improve upon in it with the 13 years if feedback. you use popular mods as a guideline for what people want. bring back the class system, a blocking system for weapons, staffs and magic that feels protective. pretty graphics is the easy part. then experiment with AI NPC dialogue to keep interactions fresh. thats kinda all there is to it as far as gameplay. like its kind of infuriating how hard it is to actually fuck it up. they have had over a god damn decade. no one asked for starfield. no one asked for fallout 76. they fucked up and if they fuck up again their reputations officially dead

[@IgnimortisTC]

Nobody is expecting perfection. Bethesda's always made jank games, but sometimes that jank was endearing, because the game around it was clearly trying to be good. Morrowind is janky, Oblivion is janky, Skyrim is janky, all in different ways. What players need and want, IMO, is innovation, and for TES, that doesn't even need to be all that "new", because it was deeper and more interesting before Skyrim. Stop removing any even remotely troublesome elements from the game. Bring back attributes (you can change the way of levelling them, but they provide a lot of value to the RPG system), more skills, more interactions in the world based on said skills and attributes. Bring back spellmaking, bring back spears, make armor at least as modular as it was in Oblivion (hell, modders did way more with Skyrim), make the combat system more impactful and tactical (it's saddening to look at a 2006 DMoMM and realize it had better melee and spell combat design and impact than any Bethesda game to date), make quests more interconnected so that choosing something in one quest doesn't just abruptly stop mattering once you have finished the quest...

[@Lupinemancer87]

Sounds to me like Bethasda are the ones who are expectin too much of this game. I just expect a game that is slightly better then Skyrim. Nothing more.

[@Based_Chameleon]

The idea that the bar is too high is bullshit. I hate to say it, but Skyrim is objectively not a good game. Skyrim only excelled in two aspects, those being world design and soundtrack. Everything else was mediocre to terrible. The combat and gameplay in general was outdated even at the time of it's release. The roleplaying systems are stripped down and broken. Some skill trees are useless and others are completely overpowered (Sneak + Archery). Certain customization options weren't even in the game (spell crafting) Graphics were average for it's time. Storylines and plots were mostly not good. The writing was a definite downgrade from Oblivion. Quest design was also way better in Oblivion. Overall Skyrim's quest design was pretty generic and boring. If they are not able to top Skyrim it just shows how bad of a game studio Bethesda has become.

[@jacklonderr]

No, the expectations are not high, after garbage Starfield the bar was never so low.

[@Justanobody8472]

I want them to rush it out the door, idc if its bad, I just wanna play it before I die

[@greatcoldemptiness]

no, fuck this

[@trolltalwar]

no

[@johng3029]

​@@trolltalwaragreed, no

[@philip2404]

Skyrim wasn't even that good to be honest... Hammerfell as a location would be much more interesting !

[@SolarisKane]

If Starfield is anything to go by, the writing will be awful and the RPG mechanics will be even more dumbed down.

[@luissosa320]

Wow! 2029! 😮😮😮😢😢😢

[@UberOcelot]

I mean dozens of devs are making major progress on not only their TECH, but also their GAME DESIGN... while Bethesda has basically been reskinning their games for 15 years now... meanwhile Avowed will dropped next month. Nothing Bethesda has made comes close to Cyberpunk. Like, the future of first-person open world is already here. Bethesda just missed the boat.

[@jacoiraqgam5535]

Excuses excuses excuses excuses why don't they stop?

[@jfkst1]

@@jacoiraqgam5535 Because they want to put in minimal effort for the highest ROI. Hopefully enough gamers are wise to their scam.

[@dksamaritan5200]

They're telling their experience in the industry, if you can't understand that then move on.

[@BabaSunWuYan]

Have you ever made a video game or first experience the process as a dev?

[@gerolfvanoudshoorn4359]

@@BabaSunWuYan If they can't deliver a good game, then maybe they need to change career.

[@Josh_728]

Effeminate "men" working in corporate setting.

[@ReachTea]

ex-dev

[@tylerlee3439]

The bad news is modern people are so anhedonic, they will never be satisfied; and Bethesda “fans” are some of the worst in that regard. The good news is, they shit the bed so hard with Starfield, most of us have slightly lowered expectations.

[@HouseJambo]

They shit the bed by and large with every release after Skyrim. This many years in, naturally we have lower expectations. They can't even meet baseline expectations.

[@tylerlee3439]

@ yeah see, that’s the bitterness I was talking about. Fallout 4 isn’t perfect, but it’s not a bad game. It’s okay to like things.

[@HouseJambo]

@ I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying they're making excuses. The expectations really aren't that high. Because we can't even expect them to make a game up to the standard of each game they make subsequently.

[@roozbeh6999]

​​@@tylerlee3439 it's a meh game with a shitty plot hole ridden story