Bethesda Is Being Weird About Fallout London - Luke Reacts

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[@dmaxcustom]

They just have to get rid of their narrative director, one of the most incompetent and non creative person ever that you have no idea how he reached his current position.

[@nagger8216]

They need to hire a team of actual writers instead of letting Joe Jerkov who's making the weapon textures write for them. Red Dead 2, Cyberpunk, the writing in those games make Bethesda look even more pathetic in comparison.

[@JABO95SA]

Yes

[@shayanali8771]

Yes. Neil has to go.

[@Longknife]

Unfortunately, they are doing everything BUT that, and instead other people are leaving: -William Shen, project lead for Far Harbor - the best part of FO4 - chose to leave the company immediately after Starfield -Bruce Nesmith, writer of Oblivion's Thieves Guild and Project Lead for Skyrim, retired after Starfield -Kurt Kuhlmann, a man previously described as their "encyclopedia of knowledge for all things Elder Scrolls Lore," was "encouraged" to leave the company. We do not know why or how So Bethesda has bled not one, but three of their most well-known workers immediately after Starfield. That Kurt Kuhlmann was "encouraged" to leave also stinks of office politics. If Kurt left alone, we could maybe write it off as him being a problem child, but the fact that he did not leave alone and we have other talents also choosing to bow out at the same moment implies that all is not right at Bethesda. I've been saying it for ages, but Emil is not just a problem because he can't write: Emil is a problem because he's a *symptom* of potential nepotism hires. The fact they choose to keep him despite the lackluster talent suggests that whoever is making such decisions has probably made other poor decisions as well, and it's all finally starting to become a problem.

[@baka1984]

@@Longknife William Shen is now my coworker and he has been nothing short of amazing on our team.

[@KintzSince93]

It seems really obvious to me why Skyblivion got shouted out: they made the original game. Fallout London was an original idea.

[@drakkenmensch]

It's pretty clear that years from now the "best Fallout game" debate will be between London and New Vegas... neither of which was handled by Todd himself.

[@jarrenhelme6060]

@@KintzSince93 also the London makers went on bbc news complaining about Bethesda updating fallout 4

[@scottneil1187]

​@@jarrenhelme6060Makes no sense, they also made the original game London is a mod of.

[@matthewkiernan7592]

@@KintzSince93 Skyblivion is effectively a remaster though…. Something Bethesda would love to pounce on

[@diablotry5154]

​@@matthewkiernan7592and when has bethesda ever made a remake before? The closest they've gotten is the 142nd release of skyrim

[@NoTimeAllTime]

My money is that they see Skyblivion as a love letter, Fallout London as a challenge.

[@ThisisCitrus]

Exactly this.

[@5226-p1e]

in my eyes, this is only coming off as salty projection and nobody knows what they are talking about.

[@MinosML]

@@5226-p1e maybe we'd know better if they actually showed that they care?

[@5226-p1e]

@@MinosML let me tell you my perspective on this, so this mod i honestly didn't know about for the longest time because for some odd reason nobody was really talking about it up until it was just about to be released. why did they wait so long to talk about this mod FOLON? also why didn't they contact bethesda about it out of concern of their launch date? like why no communication? bethesda has known about skyblivion and skywind for far longer and most people have known about these projects for a full on decade straight among many other projects for the elder scrolls games, because they are far more popular than fallout's community, no offense it's just the truth of the matter, i like fallout sure but it's still not my favorite game and it's just nowhere near as intriguing or interesting or engaging as the elder scrolls games. in this situation it sounds like bethesda didn't even know about this mod project, but it also doesn't help that the fallout modding community are far more critical about anything bethesda does, and to be honest with you, bethesda aren't even that bad in comparison to a lot of other gaming companies, especially right now. when i see people complain about Todd or bethesda it just comes off as salty mixed in with a lot of projection and anger, and it never ends. there is a recent remaster game that came out recently that a bunch of people purchased out of anticipation for a community made mod for that game and that company, Activision took down that mod and pissed off the entire community, if bethesda attempted that shit, i would never purchase anything from that game company ever again, bethesda never takes down mods so long as the mod in question follows the rules in how that mod is made if it contains copywrite material, they will have to take action, but if it's just a mod created from scratch than it's not going to be messed with by them. think about it, did bethesda send a cease and desist letter to have FOLON taken down? no they have not, and they won't likely either, unless there is some copywrite content contained in the mod, which so far it doesn't. technically believe it or not, they can go after the people using their tools via the creation kit to shut mods down, because that modding tool is their intellectual property, so they do have grounds to take down a mod for that reason alone, but they never do because they know the kind of backlash that would cause and they would rather partner with the modding teams out there and allow them to make money off of their mods, but through their system, there are people who have been mod authors for years who have been actively breaking that terms of service when they charge money for mods created using the creation kit and again, bethesda does have the grounds in taking these mods down, but they never do, because again, they want to use the modders to make money themselves and they don't want to rock the boat with the modding community to much.

[@dranzerjetli5126]

And London is way better than any fallout game in over 10 years

[@chapman3713]

Emil is the "Fallout Guy." Makes Fallout 3, gets outshone by New Vegas. Makes Fallout 4, gets outshone by Fallout London. You just know he's incredibly salty about this.

[@jamin12342]

Good.

[@kevinfisher5492]

New Vegas was just the original Interplay Fallout 3 rewarmed. But they did a damned good job...it's like that pizza in the fridge but if you nuke it just right, it's like fresh made. That's New Vegas. Which is miles better than Fallout 3, not that I hate Fallout 3. In the end I'd rather play ELEX again.

[@electricangel4488]

​​@@kevinfisher5492no "project van buren" or interplays fallout 3 was never about new vegas its was about the south west from new vegas too denver. New vegas is more like the interplay fallout 4 which is why the lore bible was writen. I dislike new vegas base game a lot it more like a theme park too me a lot like outerworld obsidian also made. Irronically i love the harshness of fallout 3.

[@Kha1.420]

@@chapman3713 great games but both done slightly better

[@gt57298]

there was also a new vegas mp mod that was being made but Bethesda shut them down too

[@worko1867]

Hey! One of the Fallout London voice actors here! (I was one of the Vagabond voice types which made me likely the dice-rolled voice for "Tricky" Ricky, Chief Roach, a few holotapes, and a character in the upcoming Wildcard update) It's all a very interesting situation with hearing nothing from Bethesda, yes. But frankly, what has meant the most to us all in every department is the hugely positive reception from people that have been playing it and enjoying it so very much. We have absolute total respect for Bethesda, because frankly without them, Fallout probably would not have continued whatsoever past 2004 and would have totally faded into obscurity by now. Bethesda kept this franchise alive and have since developed it massively into the mainstream, and as both a classic Fallout 1 & 2 as well as modern Fallout fan myself, it is a truly special IP which deserves to live as long a life in the zeitgeist as possible. This was actually my first VA gig in hopefully a long & successful career, and frankly that I have been part of this project is astounding in how much people have loved this and have said as much out there into the internet spaces. It was a labour of love made for the fans & it wasn't done for a pat on the back, so if that ever does come? Wonderful. If it never comes? That is fine, that's not what we did it for. Keep playing it, keep talking about it, keep loving it. Stay safe, and remember- mind the gap ❤

[@dranzerjetli5126]

Bruh new Vegas has just as much to do with fallout being popular. Their writing was top notch and some of the lines are way more iconic than any other fallout game including 4

[@varno6793]

@@dranzerjetli5126 You can be a mega-fan of FNV.. without trying to tell us that Fallout 3 & 4 had nothing to do with Fallout being a popular franchise. And also, way to miss the entire point of the OP's post.. jesus, you anti-Bethesda cultists are so very insufferable.

[@drakkenmensch]

Awesome to hear from one of the talents who contributed! Fallout London is dominating my gaming time right now and is the best Fallout content that has come out in years.

[@tomcappado]

@@varno6793 I mean to be fair; Bathesda themselves have tarnished the fallout name in a lot of ways. I won’t disagree that 3 and 4 helped get the ip more recognition, but it’s blatantly obvious that FNV is what’s giving the ip more longevity and fondness - how often do you hear people talk about fnv’s world and story relative to fo3 or 4? Also being antibathesda is a good thing lmao. Starfield and FO76 were both abhorrent on launch, and frankly insulting towards fans. Their responses to both situations were equally appalling. It’s obvious they need to change, and I’d rather people vehemently despise bathesda than praise it - it’s obvious bathesda is high on their own fumes, and don’t realize modders are the ones who’ve given their games all longevity. To the OP tho - slay, you ate bb, keep up the good work. Just cause these corpos won’t acknowledge you, doesn’t mean you aren’t adored by a massive community 🫶

[@dranzerjetli5126]

@@varno6793 so says the Bethesda SIMPs who gobble anything Bethesda to say that new Vegas had nothing to do with fallouts success is just revisionist history ppl were excited for 4 just bcoz how good the writing of new Vegas was and ppl wanted more of that and not whatever 4 is.

[@ninja1man4u]

And people say we're crazy that Todd is being a salty prick about ANY FALLOUT IP he didn't personally mess up with his meddling

[@joshuatealeaves]

The creator of Fallout, Tim Cain talked about this specifically in a video of his. He pretty much said everyone who thinks this are outsiders who don’t know the relationships between the peoples making these games. Most of these people are friends irl. We know nothing. There’s no salty Todd. It’s a fabrication of the mind to confirm your bias that’s all

[@TheNightman.]

@@joshuatealeaves Or you know, just doesn't want to throw shade when you can clearly see he's salty

[@joshuatealeaves]

@@TheNightman. I’m going to trust Tim. He’s very intelligent. Especially in the emotional department. In my nearly 40 years of existing I’ve gotten really good at picking out untrustworthy people. Tim is not of one them. Far from it actually.

[@jamiepullthatup8812]

@@TheNightman. I checked out your other comment that you left on this video. You’re clearly biased towards not liking Bethesda. Just like Josh said I think you’re confirming a bias by believing in this fabrication. Yeah…that’s 100% what’s going on

[@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc]

@@joshuatealeaves Tim Cain had his own issues with Brain Fargo that is why he quit Fallout2. So he should be talkling. When Caine and Fargo met at the Fallout tv show premier party they couldn't even remember why they had a falling out so they forgave each other and that was it. So I like Tim but he is wrong about this. He should know better as should you.

[@silverscion2144]

Referencing Skyblivion over Fallout London is even crazier because Skyblivion will be a direct competitor to any potential Oblivion remake/remaster. There has got to be something going on over there for them to shun Fallout London like this.

[@ryguy1483]

Oblivion is just fine the way it is :/ Love the painting aesthetic

[@johnnyflannigan136]

It's because skyblivion is basically a remaster of their existing oblivion game.. Fallout London is like a new fallout game that's better than todds games... Todd's ego cant handle that

[@NBAdux]

Because they offered them a job and they said no, so I guess they are mad now

[@chromewarnock9681]

@@johnnyflannigan136 or maybe its just asking too much of bethesda? fans made mods great but now you are making entire games of a franchise that they own? where does "fan" understand the line of not to cross. they paid for the fallout franchise and they are the one made all models and engine of fallout 4 and now some "fans" come and make entire game out of that? how is that fair. bethesda have to pay their employee pay stores and legal and many things including taxes for it and someone just makes a fan project? really?

[@mrpebbles3904]

maybe they are being petty because of what they said on the news

[@TheBrotatoPatch]

I think the problem is that Fallout London is something NEW that they didn't make. Whereas Skyblivion is just a fan remake of what they (BGS) made in the past.

[@savlecz1187]

Nope. Skyblivion's tweet about the CMC includes other Skyrim projects such as Beyond Skyrim, which will definitely not be a remake of Bethesda's own content.

[@TheBrotatoPatch]

@savlecz1187 True, but they only mentioned Skyblivion.

[@savlecz1187]

@@TheBrotatoPatch But you're right. They also retweeted Skywind's tweet so it's either that they are the two biggest projects on the modcon or that they'Re remakes of their own games.

[@TheBrotatoPatch]

@savlecz1187 That's the only thing I can think of atm, unless something new is discovered

[@dieyng]

Let me point out that we have both a complete conversion of Oblivion and one for Skyrim on Steam, whereas for some reason Bethesda won't allow Fallout London on Steam. And of course both Nehrim and Enderal are also completely new content.

[@RealNC]

Why has nobody bothered to read the license terms of the Creation Kit? Why would Bethesda need to shut down London if they acknowledge it? Don't the Creation Kit license terms specifically allow mods like this?

[@J77199]

Stop facts are too much for internet neckbeards

[@alexjensen007]

Lunatics just want to bash Bethesda at any given moment.

[@Theonceandfutureslayer]

@@alexjensen007yeh

[@kvproductions2581]

You see There is this terrible narrative that has emerged to justify awful companies like Nintendo and Take 2 shutting down mods and fangames which is "US legal copyright system means if they let them exist they lose their own IP!" This is an extension of that They want the world to think their hand is being forced, when in reality they're just assholes

[@planescaped]

It stems from Bethesda's reaction to Fallout New Vegas. It was a harrowing, existential threat when another company made a better Bethesda game than Bethesda, and they were quite unhappy about it. That said, Fallout London is a different set of circumstances, and I think people are just jaded and expecting it thanks to shit Take-Two and Nintendo pull.

[@MatthijsBrands]

I have a theory why they would shout out skyblivion and not fallout London. Skyblivion only contains content from other elder scroll games (as far as I understand ), but fallout London contains a unique story (not by Bethesda) with references to properties and/trademarks not owned by Bethesda/microsoft like for example doctor who or using the name of an existing pub. Maybe that causes legal problems for them.

[@WILLPORKER]

For Bethesda skyblivion is their own game basically, while fallout London is not written by hack writers and is a middle finger to Bethesda's slop. The harder they fall the bigger the chances of Xbox wrestling control from Bethesda and giving it to a better team that they own for a spinoff game

[@Kornelius707]

Also the mod is named Fallout: London. I'm sure the corpos at Bethesda want to make money off of that or in comes legal issues. Otherwise Bethesda might be doing them a favor by not even acknowledging the mod. Remember "Skyblivion" and "Skywind" are named so partly to not get any more trouble from a while ago.

[@insertjokehere212]

Yeah. I'm not a BGS fan, but I'm leaning more towards this than sheer petty. Doesn't make sense to keep their mouth shut to this point, when people are actively trying to make them acknowledge it.

[@zc8673]

They've literally referenced other IPs and trademarked media in their previous fallout games. This is definitely not the case.

[@ThisisCitrus]

@@Kornelius707 BGS isn't making money from London, and they don't have much legality to do anything to it. Everything Fallout London did is within the allowed agreement between BGS and modders.

[@wreagfe]

FO: NV isn't a "spin-off" game based on BGS's Fallout 3; it's effectively the sequel to Fallout 2.

[@nagger8216]

It's definitely more of a "Fallout 3" than the actual Fallout 3 was, that's for sure.

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

New Vegas is the direct sequel to Fallout 2

[@mfspectacular]

​@@AndrewRyan-zv7zb spiritual sequel, it's roughly what wouldve came after van buren even

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

@@mfspectacular since Van Buren technically isnt real, its the most direct sequence of events following Fallout 2s major player.

[@mfspectacular]

@@AndrewRyan-zv7zb huh? There's a demo you can find floating around im pretty sure, fym it isnt real? They were already planning a fallout 4 even during van buren is what i was getting at. Just going off memory from retconraider's videos, as an example; the legion was only meant to be introduced in van buren, with them playing a bigger role in what was only conceptually fallout 4

[@Pandarian300]

I think that bethesda new vegas PTSD just re-emerged when it came to fallout london.

[@Zaxth]

Todd and Emil are very petty people. It's the same reason why they rejected further Fallout games by Obsidian, when they got pitched by Chris, who was storywriter on New Vegas, and lead design on Fallout 2.

[@EcardEcardian]

The problem is that both of this men are not good for the ip at all, Fallout has become subpar each time Bethesda makes a Fallout game.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@EcardEcardian Fallout 3 sold 100 times the copies of Fallout 2. There is an obvious appeal to it that can't just be attributed to being subpar.

[@T-sm1bs]

I hope big brother Microsoft gets involved (or do i? :/ )

[@Zaxth]

@@Edax_Royeaux The gaming market was 1000 x bigger as well.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@Zaxth Fallout 4 had 25 million sales. Fallout 76 had only 1.4 million on year of release. It's not only about market size.

[@cthulhu888]

They've known for years that new Vegas was everyone's favorite fallout, saying the same for fallout London would just make them cry off stage lol 😅

[@tapejara1507]

Maybe you shouldnt talk for everyone because there is a silent non boomer fanbase that likes FO4 way more than NV.

[@MinosML]

@@tapejara1507 probably console babies that are mad that they can't experience FOLON

[@dranzerjetli5126]

​@@tapejara1507ofcourse there are. Ppl love mediocrity and awful games no wonder they spend money on it. Thats the very reason the world is awful bcoz of ppl who make awful decisions just like how ppl decided to give money to Bethesda by buying that piece of shit fallout 4 instead of buying anything else.

[@tapejara1507]

@@dranzerjetli5126 beeing this bitter lmao. calm down Harold. its just a game.. and a good one at that.

[@dranzerjetli5126]

@@tapejara1507 nah bruh cyber punk 2077 after the updates is a good game ac origins is a good game even with the grinding yakuza 0 is a good game GTA San Andreas is a good game GTA 4 is a good game Fallout 4 is an outdated piece of shit with bad writing bad gameplay mechanics. You clearly have never played games at all in your life if you think any open world Bethesda games are good. Hell wolfenstein and doom are way better games than fallout 4. Ppl like you are the problem bcoz you reward mediocrity by buying their buggy AF games which need mods to be fixed

[@drrobotnik3628]

17 minute nothing burger. Nobody at Bethesda is obliged to talk about any mod. Also the Skyblivion tweet was directly related to Creation Mod Con. Also x2 they did promote Fallout London on their twitter back in September 2022.

[@arron666]

Todd just being a child not wanting to share his toy because he doesnt know how treat it

[@octavianpopescu4776]

If he didn't want that, he'd just sue them for using the name Fallout.

[@jashloseher578]

He can't go after one big mod without going after the rest of them too.

[@dranzerjetli5126]

​@@octavianpopescu4776he cannot the mods make them money since ppl buy the games to play the mods. And money talks if it weren't for the game sales he would have shut them down for sure. It just works and 16 times the detail showed me what a piece of crap egotistical asshole todd Howard is.

[@BrgArt]

@@octavianpopescu4776 it would be a pr disaster

[@samuelm4021]

Part of me thinks Todd never had the magic and it’s his team that carried him to stardom.

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

It was all Michael Kirkbride that saved the studio and allowed Todd to get as rich as he is today. Kirkbride had to trick Todd into allowing some of his concepts into the game. He knew Todd was conservative and hated risk, so He would draw a monster, make another copy, and make it crazier. Show it to Todd, Todd would say it's too crazy, Kirkbride would go into another room for 20 minutes and show Todd the original Drawing, and then he'd approve it. Kirkbride was essentially the Lorkhan of Bethesda.

[@nicknevco215]

Lol the team broken mess after broken mess

[@justvoss47]

I think it's because Skyblivion is still the same quests/designs that Bethesda originally made where Fallout London is flat out better than what Bethesda was able to create with the same tools

[@ThisisCitrus]

Half right, London is something new, not written or approved by BGS. So they don't want to endorse a mod that they don't know what's in it.

[@animelytical8354]

They know whats in both just the same. They just made one so ultimately get credit for the success of Skyblivion. Skyblivion's success is a success of their own content.​ FOLON is a success of someone else's content. They arent proud of FOLON

[@varno6793]

@@ThisisCitrus Yeah, wasnt their a major controversy when another massive Fallout mod came out? (I think it was Fallout Frontier?) Imagine Bethesda endorsing & congratulating that mod.. only to delete all tweets mentioning it, when fans found the truly.. "uncomfortable" aspects of it.

[@justvoss47]

@animelytical8354 I may have worded it weird but this is what I was trying to say. Thank you for clarifying

[@KantFromEC]

If I was Prilladog and the Fallout London team I would be over the moon proud knowing that we made the guys who ruined fallout mad by creating a genuinely enthralling Fallout experience.

[@pauperslament3467]

I don't know. Is it really the same people. The Hodd excluded.

[@ikninja1hd]

the guy who ruined fallout? without todd there would be no fallout 3, new vegas, the tv show, etc? Fallout is mainstream popular because of todd.

[@nagger8216]

@@ikninja1hd You say that like it's a good thing. Fallout 3, 4 and the show all suck ass hair, and New Vegas probably would've happened after Van Buren anyway (although it would be **gasp** 😱isometric instead of Elder Scrolls with Guns, God forbid).

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

​@@nagger8216im a classic Fallout and new vegas stan, but the 3D gameplay is a good change from the classics.

[@fhgdngdfh]

@@nagger8216 Fallout 4 sucks so bad, it's frequently the most played fallout game on steam by a considerable amount.

[@PhotonxShockwave]

A couple years ago, Bethesda hired a few developers from the Fallout: London team its on the internet you can find it, maybe there is some bad blood because of that for some unknown reason?

[@5226-p1e]

were they known modders for anything else? because i never heard about FOLON up until it was about to release after the next gen update, Skyblivion and skywind projects people have known about for a full on decade straight including bethesda.

[@uncleclaps44]

Todd comes out on stage and pats the Skyblivion team on the back and congratulates them on a good job then gives the bethesda-microsoft lawers the subtle shoot-to-kill nod.

[@5226-p1e]

you guys are projecting so hard on this one. and it's really sad to see how salty the projection is.. the FOLON mod didn't get taken down or anything like that, they just didn't talk about it, yes they brought up skyblivion, because that mod project has been known about for years and years, like a full on decade people have known about that and skywind as well, not to mention they got Bethesda's blessing way back a decade ago of this mod, like i didn't hear about FOLON up until maybe late last year and it was a mere footnote because they kept it a secret for some odd reason, but when it launched is when people started talking about it and it blew up. some how i doubt bethesda even knew about that project, btw there are thousands of mod projects going on in their games all the time nowadays, most of them are for their elder scrolls games and those are highly talked about for years and years by the community and they often tell bethesda about these projects in advance. btw the FOLON team all knew bethesda was going to do a next gen update, we just didn't have a clue when it was going to drop, now my theory is that they released it out of anticipation for their fallout tv show which happened roughly 1 month before the update, but they messed up that update and it screwed up the game and the release of this mod nobody knew about up until they started talking about it openly, now people know because it involved the BBC and a whole lot of backlash of people talking about it.

[@uncleclaps44]

@@5226-p1e and you are exactly right, they did mention in an interview in september last year to expect the next gen update when the show is about to release. maybe folon knew or didn't or they hoped a quick f4se update would be all that's needed but it wouldn't be that simple and so downgrading is the only option. however you misunderstand my joke, do you remember capitol wasteland was going to be fallout3 remade into fallout4 and bethesda sent the legal hitsquad on them... that's what i was hinting at in my joke, no projection. I really am looking forward to skyblivion but worried and concerned bethesda might fuck this up like every big planned announcements in the past. maybe they will let the skyblivion team get away with making a seperate copy of skyrim like how SureAI did with Enderal and Nehrim: At Fate's Edge or maybe they will want to try and coerce the skyblivion team to make it a Creation Club DLC and bank profits off their hard work. So many pies they can finger, which one will it be?

[@5226-p1e]

@@uncleclaps44 oh sorry i guess i didn't understand your context, so was this for FO3 in FO4's engine or was this FONV in FO4's engine?

[@shanegale6143]

Bethesda never killed any fallout 3 remake. The mod authors were simply told it's illegal to straight up copy paste the audio assets. Which is standard. For example on Nexusmods, you cannot upload anything that is just a existing asset/model ported from a game without it getting clipped - you need to make everything from scratch yourself. The FO4 modding scene is replete with similar projects that have been ongoing for ages and not had any sort of legal troubles. They either entirely recreate all assets, or expect you to inject existing game files from your own copy. F1, FNV and Far Harbor remakes are examples just off the top of my head.

[@uncleclaps44]

@@5226-p1e fo3 in fo4. they were well on the way to making it and it looked impressive but the lawers shut them down and said they can't use copywrited audio from the game and they agreed to make their own. later they were struck down once again for plagerizing fo3 and the cap wasteland team gave up and abandoned it soon after. Maybe there is something else in the background what happened back then or they didn't want anyone making a fan remake of one of their games which had the Obsidian brand on it, this was in 2021 and going off memory, you might find better reports then i could summerize.

[@Bman67]

More proof that Todd wouldn't talk about New Vegas because he knew Obsidian put Bethesda to shame despite only having 18 months or whatever it was.

[@splatterking1171]

0:35 you scared me man, thought you were gonna say that Bethesda lawyers DID shut the mod down

[@SamS-zu8up]

No. I did. I HATE fun.

[@splatterking1171]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@Death_Saved]

Current BGS cannot survive without FO or TES while FO & TES can survive without BGS, they are basically the western equivalent of Game Freak who cannot survive without pokemon, neither will give the mainline IP to anyone else as it is basically an act of suicide, any half decent studio can outdo them and probably with a smaller budget and they are afraid of anyone noticing up top.

[@zc8673]

I wish Microsoft would just take Fallout from Bethesda. They don't deserve it

[@chromewarnock9681]

this applies to anything. someone can make gta using Rockstar engine who is not rockstar but that doesn't mean rockstar is gonna let them do that. at this point fans are stretching what they should do or not do because BGS will shut down everything including mods that are not part of creation club.

[@thats_not_glue]

@@chromewarnock9681naww gta is a completely different beast from anything bgs does, making a gta game involves pushing gaming forward (even if it’s a dark future **cough** gtao), which is something a bgs game hasn’t done in a very long time

[@chromewarnock9681]

@@thats_not_glue no it doesn't, gta 5 launched with weak mech and graphics on ps3 when ps4 was just about to launch and than they updated it. all open worlds games do compromises on everything and they dont "push" gaming forward. but that has nothing to do with what i said.

[@5226-p1e]

@@zc8673 are you a moron? they already own bethesda.

[@super_terram]

There are things in Fallout London that I know for a fact would turn heads in management at Bethesda. Things they would never put in their games. Examples: baby/child skeletons, vulgar graffiti, questionable adult themes, many examples of extreme violent, like charred corpses and body bags, bloodied corpses hanging, nooses, etc etc etc. Skyblovion is a 1 to 1 remake of Oblivion in Skyrim's engine. It's more or less a fan-made remaster/remake. Fallout London is basically a whole new game built in the Fallout 4 engine, and has almost nothing in common with past Fallout games outside of RPG elements like perks and skills. Edit: PS: I'm a huge fan of Fallout: London. I'm simply explaining why Bethesda doesn't.

[@introvertedrobot3681]

Nothing in common... except literally taking place in the same universe.

[@pauperslament3467]

On an Engine they had no legal right to use for their purposes?

[@introvertedrobot3681]

@@pauperslament3467 This baited so hard I almost had a seizure.

[@soulcaliberlinkt1k832]

You forgot about enderal which is a whole different game created using skyrims engine

[@SirPream]

Fallout 3 would make current day Bethesda quiver with repulsion

[@jazzyjswift]

The funk surrounding their silence on FOLON is the same smelling funk that has permeated their treatment of New Vegas for over a decade. I think Todd himself is annoyed that other people are handling the Fallout IP better than his own studio can, and he's shutting down any official response from inside the studio to it.

[@FluffySylveonBoi]

*FLON whoever created FOLON should learn grammar, Fallout is one word, seems lke two, but they aren't separated, too bad. He or she shall learn to read properly hehe :)

[@CALAMITY0FHYRULE]

​​@@FluffySylveonBoiyes but abbreviating an IP with a single letter doesn't work Let's test this: M Did you guess Metroid? Probably not. Some franchises need more letters to be clear

[@nozhki-busha]

I dont recall them shouting out Sim Settlements 2 either, a mod that makes FO4 an order of magnitude better.

[@navegandoporlahistoria]

Neither America Rising 2, adding the Enclave as a complete functional faction to the base game has its own merit too.

[@ByMonitorLight]

Don't know how much of a difference it makes, but as I understand it, Fallout London is built on top of Fallout 4, while Skyblivion is Oblivion rebuilt using the Skyrim engine, so it MIGHT be a technical thing. OR it's because Fallout London is an original story, while Oblivion is a remake. You'd think that would cause things to be the other way around, but if it is as petty as jealousy, they might be happy pushing something that is updating their own thing rather than something unique and seen as superior.

[@ThisisCitrus]

It's more likely they wont endorse London because its completely new and they don't know everything in the mod, so if there is a controversial quest for instance, they don't want to be seen endorsing something controversial.

[@ByMonitorLight]

@@ThisisCitrus That is actually a good point: the thing's so big, there could be anything in there and they wouldn't know without playing it to it's entirety. Though you'd think there might be at least a couple of members of staff who are Fallout fans who'd find out (though Microsoft likely wouldn't sanction that on company time).

[@VictorDude98]

It MIGHT be that FOLON uses the actual trademarked name Fallout. While Skyblivion is a merge between two names and that isn't protected.

[@davidrenton]

FO London makes Todd look bad Todd don't like being made to look bad

[@jdt1981]

Todd already does a great job of making himself look bad, he doesn't need any help.

[@FluffySylveonBoi]

*F not FO because Fallout is only one word.

[@AlaiasAlias]

@@FluffySylveonBoi Imagining policing this such small thing. Fallout London’s official acronym is FOLON for you information. And people been saying FO4 for years

[@FluffySylveonBoi]

@@AlaiasAlias I know, it's sad.

[@nicknevco215]

X-Cell is even better

[@Cifer77]

WHAT is the POINT of acknowledging Fallout London!? What does any party hope to gain by that? Why is this a big deal?

[@davidrenton]

they are not obliged to , but it's common courtesy, that actually helps Bethesda. FO London will do more to keep Fallout alive as a relevant IP than the TV show. First it probaly generates FO4 Sales as it's required, but more importantly for some people FO London will be their 1st exposure to Fallout, People who are say 15 now, have probaly never really seen FO as a thing, FO4 came out when they where 6. As we are unlikely to have F05 before 2030, anything that keeps that IP in the gamer conscious is a good thing. lets face it, Mods are why Skyrim and FO4 are still being played. These people are your biggest fans, and should be respected for keeping these games alive, which will result down the line in increased attention to any official products, also it's free, a post from Todd, and you have all this free goodwill PR for 1 minutes work

[@silvialuzmia]

Yea I don't get it It give the vibe of unwanted child who want attention

[@JackCeck]

This is what I'm thinking This entire thing feels like a non-troversy when there are hundreds of other valid reasons to hate modern Bethesda. People are making a mountain of conspiracies out of a barely formed molehill

[@MrJamess1982]

They’ve been shamed by these modders. It’s not the first time this has happened and it won’t be the last. Too many of these studios get lost in their own bubbles and they lose what the players want or they think if they bang the drum hard enough we will answer their calls. It should be a humbling experience but they will just ignore it and go back to releasing the same broken stuff over and over again.

[@dranzerjetli5126]

Unfortunately 76 and 4 are making loads of money so no they will be making the same type of games until ppl stop supporting shit gamws

[@drrobotnik3628]

"They are so ashamed by these modders that they not only stay out of their way but give them shoutouts and write entire articles to said modders."

[@SabiJD]

​@@dranzerjetli5126Oblivion is what created the BGS we have now, not F4 or 76. Compared to Morrowind, Oblivion was a lobotomised piece of arcadey shite... But it was a colossal mass-market hit - many people's first fantasy game or [action] RPG. It also had horse armour... the antecedent of the trash being charged money for on the Starfield storefront. Do I blame people who flocked to Oblivion? It's hard to. But that is what catalysed all that BGS are now.

[@tehol1]

Who cares. It doesn't need it. Everybody has made it clear Fallout London is amazing.

[@SamS-zu8up]

It'd still let even more people know, and it's a cherry on top

[@adieljonsson864]

The only thing I can think...I know a lot of authors publicly state that they do not and will not read fanfiction. Most publishers will advise them not to read any. This is primarily to prevent being subconsciously influenced by or to set up deniability for if the next official installment just so happens to contain similarities to published fanworks. A similar thing may be happening here, perhaps? Has Bethesda ever acknowledged a mod project that wasn't directly based on their own established lore?

[@JohnDaubSuperfan369]

Bethesda's own works within the Fallout universe *are* fanfiction, and very shit fanfiction too

[@ThomasWarhammer]

Todd has specifically stated that he doesn't envision Fallout ever being set elsewhere but the US, because it's to him a series about the red-scare-americana type of vibe so why would they shout out Fallout London? Just because it's a popular, impressive mod? There are tons of popular impressive mods out there

[@mjrpain]

Fallout London DOES use assets from OTHER copyrights, one of the big ones is the "Keep Calm and-" posterworks, the active quests directly referencing the TARDIS from Doctor Who and how close the names of other copyrights are such as Fesco to Tescos in the mainline stores within the map. Its a curation mess.

[@kvproductions2581]

Bro never heard about parody

[@CheezMonsterCrazy]

That's not how copyright works.

[@lunaris3983]

Honestly Fallout just needs to get handed off to Larian or something. Bethesda has proved that they're incompetent at both making games and supporting their community.

[@ndb_static_6850]

They just got bought recently by Microsoft so I’d give them some time to improve.

[@jamesn0va]

@@lunaris3983 no no keep larian free for Warhammer 40k please!

[@ToxicRoachX50]

@@jamesn0va that would be sick

[@TheJewishAzovMember]

​@@ndb_static_6850 Microsoft usually lets its gaming companies have no leash. Look at 343, for example.

[@TheNightman.]

Weird as in, they don't want to talk about a blatently superior product that shows just how little effort they bother to put in on any of their titles

[@Domenic1407]

Difference is. Skyblivion remakes a thing Bethesda made, fallout London is it's own new thing. Bethesda doesent want to shout out new stuff that makes their own stuff look bad, they only wanna acknowledge stuff that honors their own work

[@jorgep7747]

I mean I didn't really expect them to praise it given the community's unanimous sentiment is that Fallout London is the best Fallout game after New Vegas, the one other didn't touch since they bought the IP from Interplay.

[@vex8535]

bethesda isn’t being weird, it’s their game their choice

[@bastardhyena7882]

@@vex8535 but their choices are wildly unpopular and are completely disconnected with their community with what the game really needs. And it isn't their franchise, Black Isle Studios made the IP and Bethesda bought the IP because Black Isle was going under, and now they are slowly driving it aground.

[@SabiJD]

@@bastardhyena7882 It is their IP - legally. Saying they didn't create it means nothing. No one from the past era has any input. As for driving it 'aground'? No, they're really not. In terms of IP health, has it ever really been better? The Fallout TV show was a huge boost, F76 is doing well, and even F4 had a boost - to player numbers and modding - because of it. And you also have people discovering NV, and likely even 1 and 2. What you really mean is you don't like what they're doing with their IP... I don't really care about Fallout, and modded 4 is frankly by far my favourite. I'm - or was - a TES guy. And I was tearing down BGS when Oblivion came out... That shift of design culture and priorities was where it all catalysed. That dumb game is the Rosetta stone of why BGS is the way it is. Morrowind was art. Oblivion and everything they've done since? They're just toys. Todd has nothing to say or explore thematically, he just wants fun toys. And mostly they succeed at that. Fuck F76 to hell and back, but it's eventually proved popular. Starfield is the best example of what you mentioned re being disconnected with the community. And gaming culture in general... It'd be nice to see that being a wake-up call for them, but it seems they're just sticking their heads in the sand. 'Good sales = good game'. Emil P is a frikkin' moron of a game designer and thinker/writer. If they continue to close ranks and ignore all the criticism--- well, I don't know... No one else really makes games like they do on such a scale, with so great mod potential. People will buy whatever mainline title they put out. So nothing is being run into the ground, it's really just toys being manufactured and bought. Of what I've seen of FOLON's story/MQ I'm not that impressed yet, but I could definitely see the fan reaction and attention it got making Todd, Emil, et al a little uncomfortable.

[@SamS-zu8up]

yeah its their choice. And its a wierd choice. They said they don't owe anyone anything. It just would make sense for them to want money, and to shout out a game that requires all DLC to function (pirated or not) would make them money but maybe Todd has been laundering money and needs to get rid of cash fast.

[@beyasal]

if you install fallout London you won't be able to buy cremation club content for fo4 while Bethesda is still trying to cash in on the tv show's popularity.

[@SamS-zu8up]

can't you, just for vanilla fo4? And for a mod that requires all DLC's to play no way is this a bad thing for them

[@splattt8088]

The fallout 4 next gen really shouldn't have been a surprise. I (and most of the community) knew it would release around the show as soon as both were announced, and especially when the next gen update got delayed. I've heard from a guy who interviewed some of the devs from London that the there was bad blood between one of the main project leads and bethesda. I also heard that Bethesda not only was in contact with them but actually helped them. Keep in mind that this was probably just individual employees but if they were telling the truth there this goes against what Fallout London has said publicly. Take all of what I said with a grain of salt and i get skepticism since it's a third hand source, but I don't have any reason to think the guy I talked to was fabricating anything. I dont think this is as simple as Fallout London good, Bethesda bad. They've both had weird behavior in the past. I disagree that the legal argument is irrelevant due to them mentioning skyblivion for multiple reasons: 1. Fallout London uses the ip name when Skyblivion doesn't 2. Fallout London has references to real companies, media, and locations 3. Fallout London is original where Skyblivion is a remake of existing Bethesda content

[@scully4life]

I love it when the Todd Howard candle comes out. BGS is so weird. They're like the game studio version of J. P. from Grandma's Boy.

[@yothisgamesucks]

I can see Todd even doing the robot voice while saying, “I am a god.”

[@LandStrider23]

Lol love that reference 😂

[@scully4life]

@@LandStrider23 😂 Thanks! It's one of my favorite movies.

[@georgestuart7314]

It may be semantics but portmanteaus might not be covered by the IP limitation. Skyblivion is not the same as Skyrim or Oblivion, so in theory it would appear safe for them to acknowledge this. But again, that might just be a semantic argument.

[@ThinkerT]

This was my first thought as well. I don't know if the copyright laws work the same with portmanteau's as they do using the name directly like fallout.

[@Doomin-c2m]

Well, Skyblivion and Skywind are mods with the essence of "we loved these games so much we remastered them." While Fallout London has the essence of: "We made our own fan-fiction story on this IP." Of course Bethesda would shout out the mods that are literally celebrating what Bethesda did, and not the one that kinda just created an awkward competitive feel.

[@mangaas]

Why does Luke keep bringing up the point of Bethesda having to respond legally? Bethesda games have been heavily modded for almost 2 decades., they have modding built into their games now. Nexus exists because of Skyrim modding, Steam has entire Workshop system built in for modding. Stop even wasting time on this non-point. It has NO BASIS in reality. It's just some nonsense that some industry shill pulled out of his ass. Please stop mentioning it, its WRONG.

[@CommanderM117]

indeed plus bethesda Promoted the Fallout London team ages ago before the next gen update was mention Prilledog even mention this in that bbc Interview, when people constently hate on bethesda, now sure enough they have done stupid stuff in the past like the buggy mess that was 76 and Starfield. but now they just Promoting their games and mod and the TV series at the Mo.

[@shaunfilby8026]

I think they're more worried that if they accept it, it might cannonize something they don't want, or want to change

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

Bethesda should be ASHAMED by how good Fallout London is.

[@vergil_vt]

Bathesda we put out the next elder scroll or fallout game and we expect the fans to fix it with mods then we add a new update that brakes the mods.

[@theghostofthomasjenkins9643]

it's not though? it barely runs.

[@Xx2abattery]

@@AndrewRyan-zv7zb if they’re smart, they’ll hired the people who made fallout London. But we all know Bethesda.

[@thecthuloser876]

@@Xx2abattery They hired multiple people who worked on it. Even before it's release.

[@Xx2abattery]

@@thecthuloser876 I didn’t know that, thank you! :)

[@burritoincognito2343]

So Bethesda has rules for fallout games, and one of those rules is that fallout will never take place outside of America. Maybe that might be why they aren't acknowledging it. they don't want the negative PR of saying their game isn't going to be Canon

[@juliocesar-po6hu]

When the next gen update dropped i thought it was just a coincidence, but I'm starting to believe that Bethesda really is afraid of talking about fallout london for whatever reason.

[@dranzerjetli5126]

BCoz they know ppl see how much awful the fallout devs and writers are now especially Todd Howard.

[@aleksoctop]

Fallout is now a tv-show, which means more stakeholders from large third party companies, which means more potential things to go wrong, TES is their in-house home-brewed IP that doesn't have any movies or tv shows. I think there isn't much more to it than that.

[@morewi]

Yeah they realized that they could still make money on supporting decade old games like Skyrim and that's their business model now. Anything fallout was put on the back burner and the show was supposed to just be a bone thrown to die hard (Bethesda) fans

[@andresbogado7133]

Todd didn't create neither Fallout or Elder Scrolls, he just took someone else creations and make them shit for casuals. Thank god mods exist.

[@SnaxMang]

@andresbogado7133 Okay, you gotta google that elder scrolls part. You're just wrong on that. lmao

[@TheJewishAzovMember]

​​​@@SnaxMangPretty sure they hired a professional writing company to write the lore and story of elder scrolls and then built a game off of that, and then never used them again after they wrote the lore.

[@SnaxMang]

@@TheJewishAzovMember Doesn't match any of the stories I'm finding.

[@attenberg]

Bethesda not reacting at all is everything we need. It’s not a problem. Everybody gets what they want and everyone is happy.

[@playboyfan001]

They are willing to shout out a project that just remakes one of their games… something they made (with a fresh coat of paint wtvr)… But they refuse to acknowledge something brand new that is far superior than anything they’ve done in the last decade (with the fallout IP), taking into account the budget & manpower.

[@TheRailwaystationist]

Nah. They congratulated the creators of Enderal on Twitter when it launched. There's something else going on.

[@mfspectacular]

​@@TheRailwaystationist that's basically a whole seperate game though, not something comparable to a spin off or mainline game. Whole thing to me seems like they dont wanna kick the hornet nest that's the fallout fanbase, not anymore than they need to anyways lol

[@CommanderM117]

they gave them Promotion and spot like before the game came out, nothing really wrong and even London team said people are hateing on bethesda for no reason.

[@kanaria-cu3uv]

maybe they really don’t know what fallout london is. which wouldn’t be that surprising, seeing what kind of games they make. maybe they just live under a rock.

[@CommanderM117]

they Promoted a few month back Before the Gen gen update problems, the London dev even mention they had bean in talks with bethesda marketing guy in that UK interview.

[@mrman-yj3bn]

Why would they talk about a superior product?

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Because they can integrate it through the creation club and make a boatload of money off it. Duh.

[@RainMakeR_Workshop]

Why would they "have" to shut it down? Its a Mod... Something they actively support and is the ENTIRE reason their games are so long lived.

[@EpicFace7589]

They keep pumping out mobile games/fo76 content full of micro transactions. They are mad as hell other people are clowning them so hard with their own ips

[@theemoTV19]

If they shouted it out, they would acknowledge the fact that the fans can make a better fallout game then they could

[@Longknife]

There's no way the answer is "we acknowledge it 2 years ago, we don't need to do it again," because there's two possible gains from doing so: 1) Publicity. You said it yourself: they were on BBC. Bethesda can easily swoop in, look good for supporting them, and also promote their own game simultaneously. If FO:London is getting publicity, Bethesda can always tag along for free publicity themselves. Not only that, we are also in a position where as we see with this video, *YES* it looks extremely bad for Bethesda that the guy was interviewed on the BBC, the reporter probably asked a harmless question with no ill intent, and then lo and behold, it turns out to be one of the odd takeaways that the studio that SHOULD be acknowledging London did not. What could've been free publicity has instead turned into *BAD* publicity. 2) Potential recruits. It would be an absolute lay-up to approach the team and try to recruit them to Bethesda. But they don't. They are basically neglecting not one, but two possible chances for personal gain, and we have no conceivable reason as to why. Their behavior is downright illogical.

[@dranzerjetli5126]

Todd won't do anything that would mean replacement of his mediocre team

[@thecrazyjoe250]

Oh I got a really logical explanation: bitterness.

[@thecthuloser876]

Once again, people from the Fallout London team have *already& been hired. Bethesda also actively pays the team behind Sim Settlements 2 (which "made Fallout 4 a good game" according to many people) to work on both Skyrim content AND Starfield content.

[@CommanderM117]

they Promoted it before it even came out, not to mention that same Interview mention that they have talked with bethesda marketing team and they like it, just nothing has bean said puplicly after it came out and that it, plus London team have said time and again people are hating bethesda for really no reason.

[@YourPalKindred]

AFAIK Bethesda was very supportive of Enderal, a very similar mod project to FO:London. They've always been supportive of large conversion mods in the past, and still are to some degree as pointed out with Skyblivion. This seems to just be a Fallout thing.

[@dragonman7856]

Why df would they shut down fallout London?

[@baddragonite]

Technically the name "Skyblivion" does not violate their Trademark at all

[@HairryTurttleneck]

i mean... what could they say? "Sorry for ruining steam players?"

[@XTRACTyt]

I don't think it's that deep, I imagine it's all legal behind the scenes, I'd probably put it down to Bethesda giving access to the Fallout trademark and franchise, could cause further issues within the company, issues that they probably don't want to deal with All things considered, despite the impressive work of the team behind Fallout London, likely should have started their own IP, rather than stealing Bethesdas work I said the same about the DayZ team when they first started back in the day, but they have since went on to join with the original developers of Arma, I believe the same will happen here, it is likely that the teams could merge, especially seeings as Bethesda has had a good relationship with Modders in the past.

[@SinbaGaming]

just update starfield and fallout engine and we wouldnt have to do all your work for you Bethesda

[@dranzerjetli5126]

Todd Howard :- Never 😠

[@-castradomis-1773]

People are saying they only got a shoutout because it’s not a new game and/or original project. Have they ever shouted out Beyond Skyrim? Or Bruma? Much more interesting project imo.

[@ariezthedragonx9]

Bethesda is horribly insecure and we knew this since fallout new vegas. I cant believe a decade later, they cant stop being petty with a franchise they're slowly killing.

[@fabricepaul4764]

Fallout is more popular right now than when they bought it

[@CALAMITY0FHYRULE]

​@@fabricepaul4764 yeah and people hate them. The games, objectively, are not good. Niche and not good are very different

[@BabyPluto82]

@@CALAMITY0FHYRULESales say otherwise 😂

[@dranzerjetli5126]

​@@fabricepaul4764its popular bcoz of the tv show and unfortunately ppl are buying the bad fallout due to this so I expect bad fallout games in the future

[@dranzerjetli5126]

​@@BabyPluto82McDonalds also sell well so does coca cola doesn't mean they are any good

[@random33E]

Skyblivion has been in the works for a lot longer and is a much bigger project the Fallout London. They're literally remaking Oblivion from the ground up and more with the skyrim engine. It would make more sense for the Skyblivion team to have been interviewed on tv...

[@ragnoxis05]

It's because of their egos.

[@KellySmith-p4q]

Theory.... Bethesda saw the potential and tried to force the team into a contract so they could sell it as an addition to the franchise.... and the team refused? All kinds of potential issues that could have caused tension between the two sides. Never know! BTW: many games use the same or identical assets... is that Asset Flipping? Yes.. is that a crime? No.. its standard practice for many low budget / free game projects. Many games end up selling their assets and art to make some added money even.. OR they never bought exclusive rights to the assets int he first place.

[@diceroller2723]

lol the next gen update was a damn set up by Bethesda i knew that day one.

[@dillonsrt]

Cause Todd can't make good games, and relys on modders to fix/finish his games. But he doesn't like it when those modders make a game better than his. Why does this surprise anyone? Especially when he's made it clear he hates NV

[@deimosmars3683]

Weird video. Why does Bethesda have to acknowledge a mod...? Literally who cares. People really mad that Bethesda didn't give attention to a mod.

[@Longknife]

I'm a huge stan for New Vegas. Any sort of idea that Bethesda was "jealous" of it or whatever, I told myself it has to be personal bias, incorrect, and this thought should be ignored. At most, it was probably just something like Bethesda getting a better cut or wanting to market their own, directly produced titles more for better publicity, but no personal animosity. ....But now we're 2 for 2, and I can't help but wonder if Bethesda really does have petty people at the top who dislike when someone outshines them. Given that these are *FANS* that made a mod because they love the base game so much, yes, it is incredibly odd that Bethesda hasn't reached out whatsoever to congratulate them on a job well done. Or hell, tried to recruit them. IIRC, Oblivion had a mod known as "OOO" that overhauled a lot of core mechanics, and Obsidian went on to hire that guy for their studio because they loved the mod design so much. You would think Bethesda would act on the lay-up opportunity of recruiting some of these devs and giving them real jobs making games. Like at the very least, make the offer. EXTREMELY odd behavior from Bethesda.

[@hellleon]

What a garbage video. Entire video is whining about bethesda not shouting out FO London, then someone highlighted that they did shoutout fallout london a year ago. C'mon....

[@X._A_.D]

I think it's because of Starfield. They already have poor player numbers. That's why they're worried that more people will switch to Fallout London.

[@ThisisCitrus]

They're not being weird, they're being corporate. I'm not a BGS stan, but I understand why they talk about Skyblivion and not London.

[@MinosML]

Why though?

[@Lancars]

From what i recall they already dealt with Skyblivion legal stuff which is why they acknowledged it. I think in time when the legal team gives the okay they will acknowledge it. Maybe. I'm trying to be positive about it.

[@TEFilms]

I know someone that met Todd at a gaming convention and asked him about FNV, it was pretty clear that Todd hates the success that game had. He's incredibly egotistical and cannot enjoy someone else having success with the Fallout IP, especially more success than what Bethesda have put out.

[@skippingrouge86]

Source: Trust me Bro

[@nyquilforthekill1620]

I think the real reason they dont promote fallout london is for two reasons. 1. Its better thought out than their original release of Fallout 4 2. Fallout London devs were upset about the new update screwing them and expressed their concerns and issues with BGS. So I feel shouting them out via Twitter would incite people to point these thing out or call BGS out even further for their lack of timing notice and the fact that they were communicating with the devs of Fallout 4 and told them it was okay but then surprised dropped the update on them, where their mod would not work with the current patch release. Not to mention BGS is already in hot water because their newest patch is riddled with bugs. They dont most likely want to make a tweet involving fallout information in general due to fans wanting more fallout content/ fixed bugs/ and answers about why they did why they decided to release a patch update and screw over Fallout London. They also if wanting to fix the patch would need to send over necessary changes and patch notes to devs for fallout London so they can work on making it viable more easily with the latest patch. I feel like it will be a while before BGS would ever consider adding it to their creation club. They would have to have their devs take on Fallout London or with with Fallout London to make it work and upload it onto the creation engine for every platform. I as a console user wish fallout London could be played on Xbox but sadly you cant revert a patch and you cant download Fallout London on consoles. So sad.

[@theangryimp1345]

I desperately want London on console. Make it cannon I'll buy it standalone. It would be massive

[@dranzerjetli5126]

They will never do that bcoz they will have to probably pay the modders for their work then. There are better worker rights law in the UK after all

[@TotallyToonsTV]

If New Vegas is anything to go buy, Bethesda will not mention or acknowledge any Fallout games that are better than theirs.

[@autism-is-unstoppable8017]

This is crazy because a lot of console players are re-buying fallout 4 for the PC just to play the mod. So Bethesda is actively hurting their own profits...marketing L

[@dranzerjetli5126]

Wtf are you on about its helping Bethesda with money. They will release more mediocre games now thanks to ppl supporting mediocre games like 4 and 76

[@jadetortellini6150]

London is a wholly original setting, with an original story. They’re being weird because they have no plans on ever remastering their older games, Todd’s made that clear, but they absolutely do want to be the ones who get the credit and praise for any new games. They’re weird in this exact same way about New Vegas for the same reason, and I’m almost certain they went with the NV teaser at the end of the Amazon show so that they can say “here, this is basically New Vegas 2, in the same way that the first season could be looked at as a Fallout 5 in some ways, now please stop begging Obsidian to make it”

[@PoppaKrunch]

No plans on remastering old games but will release skyrim 50 times lol

[@Painless_]

Probably would have helped if the project lead didn't go on the BBC complaining about Bethesda.

[@CommanderM117]

he didn't complain he actually says they bean in contact before the releash and had good relation it was just after game came out silents at least with main bethesda team the guy they talk with bethesda marketing guy actually says it strange but they like it. also bethesda did a promotional thing for them during their creation stuff show off.

[@Rpground]

Fallout London won't get a shoutout for the same reasons why New Vegas doesn't get shoutout. It upstaged Bethesda at their own game and proves the point that they only provide a platform for modding and not an actual game people want to play.

[@RedXGurt20XX]

I bet Bethesda are so petty they wanted to full-blown cancel Fallout London but Microsoft said no because it would be a PR disaster and that's why I think Bethesda is silent on this.

[@bilson7523]

9:00 Worked in the Auto Industry for years, this is my understanding of how trademarks actually work. You have to act when you become aware of the infringement. Whether that be C&D or licensing. In the Auto industry, that's basically how every consortium operates (ex: MOST, BroadRReach, Open Automotive Alliance, Automotive Grade Linux, etc), the consortium trademarks the name so it can control standards, then participants get sublicenses for applications and advertisement.

[@ludahwolf3634]

No lol yall are just wanting to hate bethesda. Witch is ok in itself but dont try to pretend like your all great detectives and figuring out just how bethesda is. Like they're just so salty and hateful. Who tf really cares. To this day games havnt done what bethesda has done in the past. And theyre still trying. To emulate bethesda games. Complain all you want. But the fact is bethesda is still a bug name with tons of fans. Lol

[@feddora5776]

the past is the past brother, the past can't carry a whole company in the present nor the future, if all what they are making is garbage , then that's what they will be remembered for when it goes down in flames. Now not even Bethesda can do what they did in the past.

[@ludahwolf3634]

@feddora5776 nobody said they are doing what they did in the past, brother. Their high days are long gone. Criticize all you want cause I agree. But my point is that there is a lot of so-called hate with zero substance being thrown around in these videos I don't agree with is all I'm saying. Their best work is def behind them. But I understand most these people need to whine about literally anything anyway so...idk

[@lfcmike12]

"To this day games havnt done what bethesda has done in the past." What exactly have they done that nobody else hasn't? Literally the only thing I can think of is accessibility of mods, and they are destroying that aspect of their games with these ridiculously bad micro transaction stores.

[@ludahwolf3634]

@lfcmike12 if you don't know then thats on you. I'm not the one to inform your ass. Feel absolutly no need to persuade or explain anything. I said what I said. Live with it, mate. Ill say just one thing though about nethesda that other companies have tried to emulate. Not one company has made as big or as deep an impact on open world rpgs, the freedom in choice and the different stories and roles you can play. The different systems at play. And Yes i know this was "then" and not "now" .. but... weather you like it or not, it is a fact that nobody has done what bethesda has done.

[@dranzerjetli5126]

Todd Howards presentation for 76 proved how Bethesda actually are.

[@kasch3288]

Ok guys it's fallout 4 with a british skin slapped on top of it and some guy doing voice acting in his bedroom like chill out it's not that good.

[@MossyToomes]

Thank God someone says it.

[@RockR277]

I never really got the "they can't mention mods" thing. Mods have been a huge part of their games, officially or otherwise, for a long time. Is the idea that they can only mention mods if they're trying to monetize them?

[@CommanderM117]

they can Luke just talking out of his ass. they Promoted Enderal and London before it came out

[@samuelfawell9159]

I can’t help feel that Bethesda is weighting the cost if they were to demand it taken down.

[@SetsunaKai5]

why are people trying to bring back "weird". It's really weird.

[@edwardbishop3150]

Skyblivion and Skywind are working very closely with Bethesda's legal team to ensure full compliance, even though that has resulted in great delays to release and additional workload for the team, as well as additional hurdles for the players who will eventually play the mods to clear before they can enjoy it. As of latest news, players won't be able to play if the only own a copy of Skyrim, they will also need to legally own a copy of Morrowind and Oblivion as well (respectively).

[@VencentCross]

Bethesda has NEVER made a good Fallout game. This is the same way they gave Obsidian the cold shoulder after NV came out.

[@JohnKnight-q7c]

Bethesda is ashamed to be associate with Fallout

[@angelmessenger8240]

Bethesda are jealous and greedy. they can't bare it that someone made a great mod.

[@paneth8466]

They probably are not talking about it because they are enjoying the sale coming in from Fallout 4 because of this.

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

From what I’ve seen of Bethesda over the years I’d say it’s an unhealthy mix of incompetence and pettiness, and that’s probably the root of everything that happens there