Bethinking 2/6: John Lennox on Stephen Hawking's "The Grand Design"

The Bethinking National Apologetics Day Conference: "Countering the New Atheism" took place during the UK Reasonable Faith Tour in October 2011. Christian academics William Lane Craig, John Lennox, Peter J Williams and Gary Habermas lead 600 people in training for how to defend and proclaim the credibility of Christianity against the growing tide of secularism and New Atheist popular thought in western society.
In this session (Part 2), John Lennox critiques physicist Stephen Hawking's book "The Grand Design" and explains why, despite its media hype, neither God nor philosophy is dead.
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[@Redo12able]

I always forget how cool this guy is. I hope he is around for many more years.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

I really like your use of cool. It is a very fitting word for John Lennox. He is unflappable and has the patience and intelligence, with a large dash of agape love, to handle the skeptics with style and wit.

[@pyroclone123]

Why? He’s just going to go to heaven

[@patrickturner7764]

Download the videos and his teaching will be around forever.

[@cynthiakleyn-kennedy5881]

Iliiii

[@markuse3472]

@@pyroclone123 You believe as atheists and evolutionists do: without evidence and actual honest research--of Gods word. He is not going to heaven.

[@go2mark1313]

“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” ― Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers

[@alexnorth3393]

Not really, that is just so intellectually lazy.

[@stevedoetsch]

The atheist tactic is brilliant; like all evil it projects itself onto others, accusing them of intellectual laziness even while restating it's premise, atheism, as it's conclusion, materialism.

[@mick1gallagher]

@@stevedoetsch your all stupid deluded bullshitters

[@RMGWOO]

@@mick1gallagher do you really think that intelligent God believers are bullshitters?

[@JnWayn]

Cool story

[@synesthete23]

Prof. John Lennox, Dr. William Lane Craig. Prof. Alister McGrath - these guys exorcised the spirits of humanism and scientism unknowingly entrenched in my soul and mind by modern education. Even raised as a Christian I wrestled with this underlying atheist worldview in science against my belief. I can’t express what joy and satisfaction I have that ALL the evidence points to God whom I already met as my Savior. I must add that even while I waited for the evidence, I already had peace in my heart that I knew the truth. What Christian apologetics did was to confirm my conviction and answer logical questions, not give me my belief in the first place. Thank God for raising these men to speak to a young generation who are being misled every day in classrooms permeated by an atheistic worldview. Thank God!

[@lepidoptera9337]

You already know the truth... and that is why you don't care about facts any longer. That and intellectual laziness, of course. ;-)

[@thomaswayneward]

Don't rely on the wisdom of man to give your faith, your faith comes from God. It makes us feel good to hear the truth, but that doesn't give us faith. God draws all men to Him, as the Bible says.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

@@thomaswayneward Faith = the excuse for belief in something without any evidence

[@thomaswayneward]

LOL, you mean the "faith" in an unproven theory; Darwinian evolution?@@bobwilkinson2008

[@ericday4505]

As a complete apologist John Lennox may be about the best, he is winsome, funny, knowledgeable and a great debater. He with Bill Craig and Frank Turek, are my personal favorites, JP Moreland is indeed another, listen to Lennox and learn and be entertained.

[@soubhikmukherjee6871]

Professor Lennox is an amazing man.

[@Yesica1993]

This is the first full talk I've heard by Prof. Lennox. He has the ability to translate complex ideas into real-world speak and communicate them clearly - a mark of an excellent teacher!

[@Stupidityindex]

John Lennox can't be serious. What he lacks in reasoning is made up by his lovely accent as he preaches to the choir about fantasyland. God helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction. I hear appeals to strong emotions, a common tool among podium jockeys. Any god outside of fiction is an absurdity the illiterate observes. Those with one foot in fantasyland authorize themselves to weigh-in on whatnot as if Earth had gravity-free zones & magic. The religious don't have ears to hear, the books of God are filled with faith & prayers: Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital, the religious are only into convincing themselves. Rabbi Podium Jockey should not take himself so seriously, nobody should. The religious have no quality-controls. God knows, god helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our verbose podium jockey. Who in their right mind promotes travel as if best done with one foot in fantasyland vocabulary. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, and these wolves in sheep's clothing advocate prayer & faith verbiage. Even Jesus Christ said faith was worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing voice commands. What is moral or ethical about suggestions of travel with one foot in some religious fantasyland? A house divided cannot stand. We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland. 'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.'' Come, let us worship Jesus. Let us all forget it was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings. Let us forget we have a saying: God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing. Let us ignore nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital. Let us ignore a wicked generation seeks signs. Theologians grant the titles to each other without a deity certification. A deity unable to be acknowledged by everyone is a forgery based on literature. Oppression builds character among the dominated. Who do you think nailed the king of the Jews, when Imperial Rome controlled temples & publications? Just for the fun of it, have their Messiah say render to Caesar? My sheep hear my voice. Think not I come with peace, but sword. The literate of the age; built religions & made propaganda, devalued the currency, too. Marvel not I say you are all gods, and so on & so on. Faith is a fantasyland term, & the Christians hate to hear it. If faith had any value, then you could move mountains by voice-command. We know there is no god outside of fiction. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control. Think not I come with peace, but sword. I come to divide this that and the other thing, & I give you tax exempt status. "Furthermore, whenever any person or group of persons in a position of great power, and without the full knowledge and consent of the public, uses such knowledge and methodology for economic conquest -- it must be understood that a state of domestic warfare exists between said person or group of persons and the public." You can't be serious. God is an absurdity outside of fiction. It is the religious who don't have ears to hear, being a wicked generations seeking signs. These are the wolves in sheep's clothing: My sheep hear My voice. Even Jesus The Nailed, says faith is worthless if you can't move mountains by voice-command.

[@MartinHindenes]

​@@Stupidityindex you really spent over a thousand words writing a bunch of statements and questions but you haven't backed any of your statements up with arguments. Yet you mentioned literacy, maybe you should study that.

[@kkdoc7864]

Science is merely the discovery of God’s creation.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

What crap

[@bitebonumbere1426]

Which God's creation?

[@kkdoc7864]

@@bitebonumbere1426 I’m sorry you’re an atheist.

[@ENFPerspectives]

The act of discovery is a representation of God's Love for us as well. God is Awesome!!!!!!! ♡ He has lavioused us with His Love.

[@Sorg22]

No, it’s not. Being born is the discovery of God’s creation.

[@mike-cc3dd]

Wow.. Stephen Hawking just got bitch-slapped out of his chair. What a great response to his book by John Lennox.

[@fullmetalbudgie544]

+Michael Avila It was not a response to his book at all. It was a response to either the fact that Lennox did not understand his book, or it was a response to Lennox lying about what the book said. I suggest you the read the book, rather than take Lennox's word for what it says. Either way, it made Lennox look like a fool or a liar for anybody who had actually read Hawking's book.

[@mike-cc3dd]

+Metal Budgie nope. not at all. you're mistaken

[@fullmetalbudgie544]

+Michael Avila So you have read Hawking's book?

[@mike-cc3dd]

+Metal Budgie yeah sure. this guy is using simple logic to defeat the main argument of the book.

[@fullmetalbudgie544]

+Michael Avila Awesome, so can tell me the first sentence on page 94?

[@JayFish85]

I enjoyed watching this video and I'm looking forward to the next parts. Many thanks from the Netherlands.

[@robertsparks1692]

Didn't we go through this over 100 years ago regarding life? The atheists thought life spontaneously sprung into existence from nothing and one experiment by Louis Pasteur ended the idea. Life does not spring into existence on it's own but today the entire universe does?

[@BamfFromLA]

Obviously it can if you think that "God" created everything. It wasn't here and then he created the Earth in what was it...7 days?

[@doncourtreporter]

Yeah. Read something non-fictional.

[@yitzhak177]

BamfFromLA Really, there is a difference between creating something, and something randomly springing to life. God created everything, it didn't just spring to life. Robert is not wrong.

[@doncourtreporter]

FLiX Fury If you guys would only study the subjects against which you're arguing, you'd "know" what the fuck you're saying. Science is what we know. We're not guessing. It's not important, or relevant, what one believes when it's absolutely not based in fact. What do you guys know? Make a risky prediction about tomorrow and I'll see you then.

[@yitzhak177]

don leavell You don't know that God doesn't exist. And I have studied both sides of the argument. I have an amateur understanding of each. I've chosen the way of Christianity and the belief of creation because evolution doesn't follow along logically with itself.

[@rodalmond8210]

Excellent! So clear, so rational. so manifestly obvious to a thinking mind. Is it possible because Dawkins is so irrational, that his disease affected his brain? I know this can happen with Parkingson‘s disease. It’s just amazing that he wouldn’t have been ashamed of his irrational thinking and like you said on some of this even a grade schooler is able to discern

[@SamIAm-kz4hg]

Rod Almond "Is it possible because Dawkins is so irrational, that his disease affected his brain?" You mean like religion is affecting your brain? Moron.

[@stevedoetsch]

11:50 Hawking: Philosophy "...has not kept up with modern developments in science, particularly in physics." Um, I don't think he understands what philosophy is. Philosophy is the method by which we answer questions about the information provided by the other sciences, and even ask questions about the nature of those sciences themselves; it is the mother of all scientific disciplines. Ironically, Hawking's entire book is in fact philosophy; no matter how one impugns philosophy one cannot escape doing it. The only question is whether one is doing philosophy poorly, that is unclearly, or doing it well. Why are atheists always such poor thinkers, aka, bad philosophers?

[@gamerdareswins2825]

"Strangely enough science proves God more than religion ever could" Physicist and self confessed agnostic Paul davies.

[@GeoCoppens]

Strange if you believe that sort of nonsense!

[@GeoCoppens]

@Achilleskneel Utter bullshit! Get educated!

[@AudioGardenSlave123]

GeoCoppens Present. An. Argument. Refute. Something.

[@GeoCoppens]

@@AudioGardenSlave123 "Mathematics almost certainly rules out a purely Naturalistic model of the origin of life." Mathematics NEVER DOES this!

[@GeoCoppens]

@Achilleskneel Where do you think intelligent life begins...? Heard of eukaryotes? We have life! And not from some celestial entity. That is infantile! Do science and don't believe fantastic nonsense!

[@user-ig7nq7pc7k]

Brilliance, humor and love. So fantastic!

[@megalopolis2015]

Dave: John Lennox is one of my all-time favorites. I learned recently that one of his professors was C.S. Lewis! No wonder he is so brilliant.

[@TheWorldTeacher]

megalopolis2015 One person’s “brilliance” is another’s DELUDED fool. 😛

[@thejma724]

@@TheWorldTeacher And guess what? You are the fool on the hill

[@TheWorldTeacher]

@@thejma724 I would insult you back, Silly Sinful Slave, but the fact that you are a fully self-obsessed, deluded FOOL is sufficient insult in itself ;-) “Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.” Euripides

[@mick1gallagher]

Brilliance humor and love and a stupid deluded fool like you

[@kevinevans8892]

A very good lecture by Professor Lennox

[@bobwilkinson2008]

Really, where? What a load of waffle, with a few scientific references thrown in to sound good but which he doesn't actually understand.

[@Scott-zm8ei]

It sounds like a critique of your own comment rather than on Dr. Lennox’s talk.

[@markuse3472]

@@bobwilkinson2008 Lennox is not alone in the scientifical world who can easily explain away evolution and aliens. Science can't exist without a creator, God, and evolutionists and ancient alieners alike are by definition science counterfeiters. Life, on Earth and throughout the cosmos explains God and creation. You people simply don't care for honesty.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

@@markuse3472 Lennox isn't in the scientific world. He doesn't explain anything of any use. You are delutional if you think science can't exist without a creator. Evolution is proven, you're not doing yourself any favours by denying facts. Life on Earth IS explained without a god. I can't speak for the cosmos and neither can you. If there was any proof of any god, things might be otherwise, but until then...

[@candeffect]

@@bobwilkinson2008 Give some examples for why you can't support what Lennox said.

[@issamhaddad835]

Thanks for mr Lennox since because of people like him We can debate with atheist in scientific and logical way and

[@dckfg01]

Philosophical critique of Hawking at its best.

[@bluebird2426]

I LIKE AND ADMIRE JOHN LENNOX . HE IS USING HIS BRILLIANT AND SHARP MIND FOR THE GLORY OF GOD , UNLIKE ATHEISTS/SCIENTISTS WHO USE THEIRS FOR THEIR OWN GLORY .

[@calebmarquardt6381]

Why do you think atheists and scientists use their sharp minds for their own glory?

[@bluebird2426]

Caleb Marquardt Atheists-scientists are continuously campaigning for more and higher regard and adoration of Science so that upon any scientific discovery or invention they will receive honor , fame and glory as the heroes of this planet and mankind , not God

[@calebmarquardt6381]

BLUEBIRD Examples please?

[@bluebird2426]

Caleb Marquardt Ashamed to claim they are heroes and the brightest of this world , Godless scientists is doing their best for people to be Science dependents and devotees . As the love of Science ( not God ) is established and inculcated in people's minds their desire to earn or reap honor / glory is assured . Or since scientists and science are inseparable these Godless scientists are honored by people w/ adoration to science and by themselves . every time there is scientific discovery or invention . Example of this - A Godless Scientist who became Nobel Prize winner

[@calebmarquardt6381]

BLUEBIRD I'm not even sure what to make of your paragraph.

[@johnc4624]

Wonderful, excellent, witty... great exit statement. But then truthful, irrefutably logic, clear... Thank you Dr Lennox

[@lauroneto3360]

The best thing here in the comments are the atheist's answers to Lennox's argumentation. There NONE. Just whimper and whimper and whimper.

[@doncourtreporter]

That's weak. If you had a real god, you'd put up. And you would win the Nobel for the most important discovery, etc. But it's misunderstood allegory, even by the snot-nosed children who have ignored science and left us 31st in education. Good work. Can't distinguish reality from fantasy. Peace.

[@lauroneto3360]

+don leavell yeah! Here we have another example of exactly what I was talking about. Anyway, there are lots of evidences for a designer, but what do you need? a photograph of him? Wait, a peer-reviewed photograph of him maybe.

[@lauroneto3360]

+don leavell Even naturalists admit the clear appearance of design in life and in the universe, so YOU guys must prove the contrary. Go ahead..

[@lauroneto3360]

+kc collette Well I actually was talking about Dawkins. But maybe he is just not a naturalist. My bad. That doesnt prove anything, but is quite ironic.

[@lauroneto3360]

kc collette"Even naturalists admit the clear appearance of design in life and in the universe" "The difference is one of complexity of design. Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose" - The Blind Watchmaker - Chapter 1 - 2nd paragraph

[@samsonmutambo1849]

My Professor, John Lennox I love your profound knowledge.

[@omgimboredperry406]

I loved the God of the gaps part. Really clicked into my mind, and helped me understand that one big problem is that atheists and theists and a completely different view of God. I think some atheist don't realize, it's not about God being the default for something until science uncovers it, it's That there was a super intellect behind it, making it understandable. Things like mathematics, a universe actually subject to laws of nature

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

I mostly agree but most mathmatical formulas are descriptions of the natural world. We haven't a clue what energy, gravity, magnetism etc are. We just observe and measure what happens consistently and give the properties of what's seen a name to designate it. As we understand more we are able to take advantage of it. Its a given thing that we forget our dependence of consistency in the universe. Scientists these days need a big helping of humble pie.

[@qlddave]

jamie Russell Hi Jamie, not sure you really understand what you just said. According to what you said we do not know what a flowers are, we just observe and measure them and give them a names. Humans may be dependent on the cosmological constants, but that presupposes that the universe was made for US. We have no idea what life may have formed and how if the universe was made a "different" way. In fact if gravity was different we may be stronger live longer or have evolved to be shorter and lived as long as turtles. We do KNOW what energy, gravity, and magnetism are. To say we do not, is to say we do not "know" anything. Everything we KNOW is observed. When you turn the door knob and the door unlocks and opens, you know this will happen, because you have observed it, and it does it consistently. That is knowledge.

[@ItsJustAdrean]

The entire universe is information. Information implies intelligence. I'm convinced we're going to climb the mountain to find the explanation of ultimate reality, and the theologians will be right there at the top, saying, "I told you so; knowledge, wisdom, information -- it's all from God!"

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Dd S, hahaha.....Dr. James Tour is one of the top organic chemists in the world today and a Christian as well, I guess his faith is what sets you off

[@ENFPerspectives]

@@Jamie-Russell-CME agreed but we all do ♡

[@N3Rd32]

I never knew Richard said that about William. Crazy considering Richard literally supports the murder of the unborn and yet is trying to frame William as pro genocide... Actually kinda disgraceful.

[@AlCapwnd-tb5ow]

“Murder of the unborn” 🤦‍♂️

[@equationist]

Hawking has been trained in his whole lifetime as a physicist, but not as a philosopher or theologian. Hawking should always be careful because high-caliber philosophers can easily detect the flaws in his arguments.

[@AtamMardes]

+loreto juelar A question & no offense: U thank God for creating u & for the animals u kill & eat. U thanking God for choosing u to have a life implies God ignored the many dead infants born in the same minute as u. U thanking God for recovering from a sickness implies God ignored many dead patients while u were sick. Don't u see how religion business with its imaginary God exploits your hypocrisy selfishness narcissism arrogance gullibility vulnerability & ignorance to fool u into feeling special in your delusional mind?

[@megalopolis2015]

Atam: You say "no offense" when you call Loreto "delusional"? That is a page out of Dawkins book for sure. :0)

[@milkshakeplease4696]

@@AtamMardes Atam, in order to claim God isn't be just, you have to make the case that God has no logical reasons for the suffering in the world. Good luck. This is an impossible task.

[@AtamMardes]

@@milkshakeplease4696 Sammy, you need to first prove God is not just a figment of your brainwashed delusional imagination, then pretend to represent God.

[@HW.37]

I started reading Chesterton upon the recommendation of Lennox and I can’t put his book Orthodoxy down.

[@BeyondEvent]

I love Dr. Lennox. Thank you for posting this.

[@1godonlyone119]

The statement "Philosophy is dead" is a philosophical statement, not a scientific one. It is therefore self-refuting, which means that its converse must be true: Philosophy is still quite alive.

[@giorgikvatchadze4928]

A great lecture from a wonderful man and great apologist. I always find Lennox's lectures and points utterly interesting, let alone appealing.

[@musicinspire1745]

Hawking lost his mind long ago. Even brilliant people can become insane just as anyone else.

[@johnmcclain3887]

I've watched two of Professor Lennox's lectures, this and the one he speaks of in the last minute, I've been "of faith based on observation" since about four or five, a committed, born-again Christian since my time in Beirut, 82-83, these two lectures have been some of the most brilliant deductive reasoning answers, and inductive as well, as I've ever heard or seen. I'm but an amateur student of the sciences, a lifetime mechanic, electronics tech, and metallurgist, but have spent my life reading, and find the Professor's reasoning, impeccable, carefully explicated, and in every way, sound. I've been enjoying u-tube lectures increasingly, having stumbled across them, and these two have been some of the most interesting, because they speak what I've only felt, and never put words to. A real honor and pleasure to enjoy. Semper Fidelis, John McClain Vanceboro, NC

[@ttimetotroll]

14:15 science is limited. It is not the answer to all truth or reality (scientism). Even Einstein admits the scientists are poor philosophers

[@theresametcalf7066]

There is no spontaneous creation. Nothing comes from nothing. period

[@jasonantigua6825]

Theresa Metcalf Do you know something we don’t then ???

[@srrlIdl]

You believe something came from nothing ... Atheists make no claims about creations, they just don't buy the theists claim.

[@ttimetotroll]

9:22 (Stephen Hawking) No Atheist ever questions the slightest move from Agnosticism to Atheism, or less, attribute it to senility. But when a philosopher and one of their own changes to Theism, oh they jump on him and accuse him of senility. (Antony Flew). There is such a double standard. If they are not so, and if senility is a proper explanation for someone's change in views, they should have attributed Hawking's newly switch to Atheism and materialism as a result of senility and dismiss his case as well. Just an observation. I find that John Lennox is very gracious and gentle, referring to Hawking's switch as being a change from reticence to outspokenness. Such respect. Guess I have much to learn in terms of 2 Tim 2:25

[@1godonlyone119]

If it's not possible to speak intelligently outside one's particular field of expertise, then doggins, hawking, and hitchens (oops dead) are or were clearly unqualified to speak about God, as they are not theologians or clergy, and yet it seems God is all they ever talk about.

[@stevedoetsch]

Atheists always accuse others of what they themselves do. Why? It misdirects people from focusing on the atheist to defending themselves and even Lennox falls for this trap. The trap is natural to all narcissists.

[@ghallora]

Love you Dr. John Lennox. A true Miles Christi. Love you Brother and keep spreading his Gospel.

[@hwd71]

Amazing how Hitchens and Dawkins can come away as atheists after debating John Lennox. Reminds me of the old saying. He who is convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.

[@thomaswayneward]

It reminds me of the power of satan.

[@georgelianos373]

Just believe in. God and Jesus. Its so simple.

[@AtamMardes]

+George Lianos LOL. Jesus is mostly a fictional character posthumously glorified by fake backdated prophecies & fake miracle stories like virgin birth, resurrection & walking on water copied from: Attis 1200 BC, Krishna 900 BC, Dionysos 500 BC & Zoroaster 600 BC. Church uses fake images as bait: tinyurl.com/jqsdj6o & tinyurl.com/jm8wryq Religion has got u by the balls.

[@megalopolis2015]

George: Simple, yet not at all easy. I am glad that people like Lennox, Zacharias, Craig and Ramsden are here to point at the obvious things about God so many of us refuse to see.

[@srrlIdl]

It's easy if you're simple minded.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

George Lianos, it is only simple to those who hear the Shepherds voice. And respond.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

atam mardes, how sad for you to believe that. It is a false statement you have made and one you will learn is false in the end.

[@bradsmith9189]

Atheism: "The belief that there was once absolutely nothing. And nothing happened to nothing until the nothing magically exploded (for no reason), creating everything and everywhere. Then a bunch of exploded everything magically rearranged itself (for no reason whatsoever), into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs" Makes perfect sense...

[@HeShines]

Lmao this honestly made me laugh. Such rationality and logic atheism offers. Truly incredible

[@Baelish-fx7ew]

lol strawman fail

[@bradsmith9189]

+euhonod yerffej This is simply a cop out based on twisted use of the English language.Be honest..atheists simply don't want to admit they believe there is no God because they'll be trapped in being asked for proof of some kindwhich they have never been able to do.It's simply based on faith (Unlike the honest agnostics) and is therefore a religious world view:We, as rational individuals, all know its true except the atheists themselves. When, and only when, they understand that they indeed belong to a religion, then we can get down as to who holds the most accurate and truthful religion out there. For Atheists to attempt to claim "neutrality", in reference to God, is a complete cop out and disingenuous intellectually. They have indeed picked a side. They choose their religion based on what they believe is evidentiary to their presuppositions. Denying what they believe, and hold as truth, may be an easier pill for them to swallow but they are only attempting to deceive themselves.

[@adrianobulla7875]

😀😀😀😀😀

[@theparadoxicalidiotknowsth8817]

Yeah I'm a theist too brother, but was that last part an attack on dinosaurs, such as anti-evolution of was that just how you stated it? I'm kind of a theistic evolutionists by the way.

[@AMonikaD]

Intensely enjoyable.

[@interestingstuff5964]

John is so brilliant! I am only at 20:00 and I am loving this!

[@mick1gallagher]

I totally agree with you he's brilliant at making millions for himself

[@RMGWOO]

@@mick1gallagher do you think every educated and intelligent apologist is a con?

[@mick1gallagher]

@@RMGWOO what are you trying to say God looked after John very well so John could live in luxury John is a multimillionaire from this racket God seems to have ignored children in Africa starving and being eaten alive by flies but took great care of john

[@RMGWOO]

@@mick1gallagher I asked you if you think all educated religious people are con artists. How can you infer from that question that I am saying God looked after John Lennox as opposed to the children of Africa? You're going to have a hard time charging others with irrationality when you come on like that. People who believe in God don't think that God personally orchestrates all the happenings of the world. Book sales are clearly not examples of divine intervention, considering that John Lennox's main opponents are multimillionaire authors themselves, and they have much larger audiences in their native countries. Richard Dawkin's work is more popular in the UK, and Sam Harris' is more popular in the US, and I would imagine that both of them are more popular than John Lennox across the commonwealth also. As for Africa, similarly to the book sales, economics isn't a venture of God. People starve in Africa because the leaderships of most African countries deny the implementation of free markets because they want to maintain control through beurocratic cronyism and totalitarianism. Free markets lead to opportunity and independent prosperity. The periods in history when African nations have implemented these systems they have seen massive reductions in poverty. The data is out there if you want to navigate the world with more reliable information than just the cliches you offered me. No offense, but what you said was weak. I'm not trying to belittle you, but man-to-man that's the truth. By the Christian faith the intervention of God is upon request. Individuals have been given free will. Though they are part of a creation they have enclosed within them the individual identity, hence the notion that they are made in God's image. That's what that means. Suffering is a part of the experience of living but it is not of such dire consequence to God in a similar fashion to how you would not panic about a character in a video game being killed when you it's just a game. By the christian view there is at the basis of all individuals an immortal soul. This is the player of the game. Have you put any serious effort into finding out if the naturalist/materialist view holds up at its basis? You might be surprised. It's not just Christian apologists that see the holes in these theories. And if the holes are there to be seen by all those who go and look, why is it that they aren't common knowledge? I would suggest taking that same skeptical eye of yours and focusing it on the people who profit from belief in materialism.

[@mick1gallagher]

@@RMGWOOso as another deluded fool said on KZbin the children in Africa find themselves in this predicament because of the sins of the world and John found himself in his predicament because God likes him its frightening what religion can get sane people to believe

[@jcherrera70]

Absolutely brilliant!!!!

[@ThePultzFamily]

The law of gravity produces the universe in the same way as the traffic law produces traffic

[@redlinegw]

John Lennox is Awesome! I hope to meet him someday!

[@danbike9]

I always like to ask know it all atheist/scientist those childhood questions. They HATE those questions, not because the question is beneath them, even though pass it off as just that, but because they don't know the answer.

[@faith5940]

One of the apostles explained it perfectly when he said the reason people don't want to believe there's a God is because they love their sin. It's either or with God. There's no gray area with him and that's what atheists like to make you think and or believe. When in reality - they simply think they'll lose their so called 'freedom' to sin - and yet in actuality they are in bondage. I love this man's way of 'preaching' the gospel with his ability to use science against the 'opinions' they have. All they can do is speculate, theorize and have an opinion and people follow this rubbish. It's not easy to be a Christian in an apostate world, or to follow in Christ's footsteps, because it's so contrary to man's sin nature. It's amazing when someone truly does believe on Jesus and begins the journey as a pilgrim and knows he is only passing through this life and it's tests. But is so worth it to trust and be loved by the creator who gave us a chance to have eternal life and his love is so freely given and to trust in someone you can't even see or hardly begin to understand. But we have the free will to choose which path we want to go on and a book (that's forever been the no. 1 best seller)with 66 books in it to help us learn his ways. God's mercies are what I love the most about him. He is so faithful and so good to us and is there for us whenever we need him or just want to tell him we love him too. Interesting God is all about love and that is the one thing an atheist just can't reason with. He's spirit and truth. I guess they figure they'd rather take their chances and find out after they die and not before. Wonder where all these great high and mighty egotists are now? People who outright defied God like Steve Jobs , Steven Hawkings, John Lennon and the list is quite long. Am so glad to be a nobody who has no title or real education, that I decided to just believe there was a being named Jesus who said he loved me and believed it. Glad I never had money or prestige now.

[@thomaswayneward]

Best reply on this thread. But who believes it? Only the ones that accept Gods love.

[@aneldavanschoor5021]

Brilliant comments by John Lennox, as always.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

Where?

[@nofascistideologies8742]

John Lennox says it all with his statements "I do not wish to engage specifically with Hawking's science. That is beyond my range of competence". Instead he does what anybody intellectually lazy and dishonest will do, an argument from ignorance as he admits. I don't understand it, therefore God. God is the low hanging fruit for anyone without the time or mental capacity to investigate, and therefore the dishonest position.

[@misterRDF]

This was amazingly grabbing for the mind.

[@Pin8yelchavodel8]

Both demolishing and entertaining. Great Lecture.

[@kerpelwaston3223]

This should have a million plays.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

And a million dislikes

[@ii.gondolkodo3169]

The world that creates itself is like a man who lifts himself up from the earth by his hair.

[@MusaKhanandalusian]

53:23 who created your creator? awesome! and at 53:00 created gods are what we call idols!

[@stevedoetsch]

Atheists are neo-pagans; their primitive concept of gods is pure philosophical illiteracy, like that concept of gods held by jungle tribesmen dancing naked around a fire.

[@Angle98411]

If God were to be created he is not the Creator God is Eternal.

[@pescheriajonioblu8591]

If there is a law of gravity then there must be something to gravitate

[@josephlandrut4154]

Thank you for contributing to developing society as two scientist, who know what to say to each other and confusing the general public with words that are used to impress your students. As a man who knows and knows that he knows I prefer to write in layman terms, which can be understood by people who lack the education because of their social class.

[@josephlandrut4154]

When you go out and meet people, make a point of talking less and listening more. The more you listen to what other people have to say the more you learn to your advantage. Always control conversations by asking questions and when a topic comes up that you are interested in, casually ask questions that are important to your education. You will remember my words when you are in conversation with someone. All kinds of routes will appear if you listen more and talk less.

[@aslamranjha2965]

My intellectual hero Who explores scince deeply and wisely to find clear light of God.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

You're kidding obviously. The old fool is good at word salad but other than that...

[@iotianooroa812]

Thanks, love your simple explanation of science etc to our understanding of our God….thanks

[@cjb8010]

Listening to John Lennox is one of my forms of prayer. Gentle, charming, incisive, directed. Perfect lights for faith.

[@vuho2075]

Isn't he also a superstitious old fool?

[@cjb8010]

@@vuho2075 no, but like any form of light he does attract his share of moths.

[@WhiteKillerRabbits]

Dr. John Lennox is incredible.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

Incredibly deluded

[@sicdavid6292]

Religion proves ignorance lazy ignorance is popular

[@strongfaith888]

Brilliant!!

[@quakers200]

The centuries when men of science had no choice to be religious if they wanted to keep their jobs, was that not a problem? But now when a scientist says science does not need God. Well that is a terrible problem?? What parts of physics did we need the god equations to make it all work out? What theologians were pondering the scientific contributions they were needing to contribute to make working computers.?

[@1godonlyone119]

Dr Lennox is brilliant! =)

[@garylaxson]

I don't understand how scientists can believe they can discover everything when surely they understand infinity.

[@rosariomorris7295]

We are so blessed to have you Prof John Lennox, the Lord greatly bless you ❤

[@gamerdareswins2825]

Lennox brilliantly tears hawking to bits. Finding 3 main logic flaws and assumptions in his best work.

[@atheist6037]

theology is unnecessary because Hawking, Sean Carroll, Lawrence Krauss have been able to created model of the universe to fit the data without invoking god...this Lennox guy is only picking on Hawking because he's not there to defend himself... I want to see him debate Sean Carroll.... You have to prove that your god exists without including the god of the gaps first

[@gamerdareswins2825]

***** lennox found 3 points of logical fallacy in Hawkings work. He also assumes much of it. Krauss has been hammered by a fellow Professor of physics for dishonesty. And there is a debate with Lennox and Dr Ravi zacharias against Hawking. Hawking is not as intelligent as he thinks he is. And all those 3 guys are chance of the gaps theorists. Saying millions of years did it is no different than saying God did except saying that an intelligence(which most honest physicists actually concur) did it which we can see in our universe through physics is far more rational. Multi award winning physicist Dr Paul davies stated that the laws of of our universe are designed to allow life to exist, with pin point accuracy...that is not a random thing. Only an intelligent mind could of done that. Cosmologist for NASA John o'keefe also said our universe has evidence of design by intelligence. Hawkings work is ancient now and isn't relevant. Neil degrasse tyson is also in trouble for stating opinion instead of facts in his cosmos documentary. He's also been deleted from wickipedia. I'd like to see a debate between creationist Astro physicist Dr Jason lisle ph.D. And Tyson. "I think only an idiot can be an atheist. We must admit that there is a great power or force of intelligence in our universe that got it all started in the first place" Christian anfinsen, Biochemist and nobel laureate

[@atheist6037]

Steven Pounsett "Multi award winning physicist Dr Paul davies stated that the laws of of our universe are designed to allow life to exist, with pin point accuracy...that is not a random thing..." It seems like you're underestimating your god, because if he was omnipotent he'd created any life in any condition he/she want... Plus can you define life and how do you know another form of life couldn't exist if the conditions changed? plus which parameter are you talking about? "Saying millions of years did it is no different than saying God did except saying that an intelligence(which most honest physicists actually concur) did it which we can see in our universe through physics is far more rational." Well say billion of years, through biological evolution, by natural selection, it's not magic, it's well explained if you actually looked at the evidence...God did it has no explanatory power, and Stephen Hawking isn't a biologist to explain how life evolved in a physics book.. "Cosmologist for NASA John o'keefe also said our universe has evidence of design by intelligence." Just because it looks designed doesn't necessarily means it is, you have to demonstrate that... In fact how do we demonstrate design? we do it by comparing designed things from things that occur naturally...For example a watch was design, but sand wasn't design it occurred naturally... A robot is designed, but humans occur naturally etc... I think only idiots are creationists because as people say if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...which pretty much summarizes the creationist arguments.."it looks designed therefore it is designed..." very dumb

[@gamerdareswins2825]

***** oh you're one of those... What dawkins says is ridiculous. Just because it looks designed it wasn't??? That makes no sense, hes in such self delusion its not funny. He's basically saying if it looks like a duck, acts like a duck and sounds like a duck its... its bottle nosed doplphin. Ummm no richard... its a duck. You just refuse to admit that. he said the cell has all the hall marks of an ingenious engineered machine... yet he thinks random unguided processes and accumulation of error did it???? Dawkins is obviously in the early stages of dementia.. and denialism. When was the last time he or anyone saw something as complex as a cell come from natural unguided processes? Geez I know guys with masters degrees in chemisty(also studying theology) and masters degrees in engineering who think he's a loony. And there is absolutely no scientific way to prove if anything evolved at all. Even the famous evolutionist Stephan j gould admitted that. Professor David snoke, a leading biologist and researcher for intelligent design has also said he and many colleagues are training up a new generation of young scientists to think like enginners. So in conclusion if it looks designed its probably not is one giant cop out. For people like you that do not want to admit the blatantly obvious design in our universe. By the way astro physicist Neil degrasse tyson is currently in a bit of strife for citing opinion other than fact in his Cosmos documentary. He has also been deleted from wickipedia. I wonder how many other evolutionists are going to follow. Because assumption is not scientific fact. By the way

[@gamerdareswins2825]

***** you might like to read up on Nuclear physicist Dr Lee spetner ph.Ds book The Evolution revolution. In it he shows how natural selection is not evolution and that new genetic information cannot arise from copying error. But any computer programmer could tell you that. Also there is research by associate professor of molecular genetics Dr Georgia purdom ph.D Shes written over 120 plus research papers for secular and creationist journals. Also she's written about very recent discoveries in our DNA Found a whole new set of undiscovered coding and more. Also geneticist ph.D jeffrey Tomkins has done the same and Dr jake Hebert ph.D DNA is itself evidence of an intelligent designer. "The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome, he can be worshipped in the cathedral and lab" Former atheist turned christian Professor francis collins ph.D geneticist. Also look up the research by Russ Humphreys phD. Also ex evolutionist turned creationist.

[@minjirewambugu7905]

God bless you ,John.

[@lepidoptera9337]

Which god? We invented so many of them. ;-)

[@timwatts9371]

Only a few minutes in and Lennox indulges in a shameless strawman. He describes Hawking as "one of the most powerful scientific voices in the atheist choir" Actually he's not but Lennox obviously wants to present him as some kind of huge target to make his attack seem more significant than it actually is.

[@johnlca]

always enjoy Lennox.

[@aquillafleetwood8180]

Google, the Northern Cross, by Aquilla Fleetwood, youtube! Genesis 1: 14...the stars shall be for signs...

[@remalim9471]

John is brilliant. I love the way he pointed out the contradictions made in Hawking's book.

[@hottiestub6420]

lennox is a heavyweight,keep bouncing your memes Dawkins

[@megalopolis2015]

Not only is John Lennox an intellectual powerhouse, but he is totally huggable. :0)

[@GeoCoppens]

Lennox is a heavyweight crackpot!

[@alexnorth3393]

No, he's just deluded.

[@lampkin9287]

Alex North What... that’s all we get, he’s just deluded “. On what grounds can you qualify this statement, because I’m not buying it as if you never said it. Here is a man who’s education is extensive. He’s been around like minds most of not all of his life and I quite sure he knows to cover all of his bases before he even speaks. So if you’re going to make such claims... then I’m hoping that they’re back up with just as much thought.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Alex North, Obviously you read the God delusion and you believed every word in it. Ha Hah Hah

[@nofascistideologies8742]

educational? to educate means to convey useful information based on provable facts. It is the very opposite of what is happening in this video, god did it isn't an explanation for everything. It is an end to the search for the answers, and not education dear sir.

[@nieuwbooy]

I love Lennox's voice.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

Yeah, but nothing else about him. Talk some sense man.

[@mick1gallagher]

How much money has John lennox amassed from this racket the books DVD books and more books that's what religion is all about money money money and more money

[@emmettbrown3018]

I love his voice.

[@stanstevens6289]

I find it incredibly grating and arrogant... it certainly carries plenty of BS.

[@greenvalley5843]

Yes his voice is comforting, not a hint of arrogance. For such an intelligent man he’s quite humble.

[@Phantasmag0ry]

"God is eternal, he never began to exist" Could you provide some proof. This is the part where you start throwing around bible quotes and ignore the uncountable amount of fallacies in the same text. Please do enlighten me though, i love a good laugh in the morning.

[@oldscorp]

Hearing John Lennox talk is like having a picnic in a meadow during may while you're huging a wise-cracking baby harp seal.

[@ApplesAndOranges1]

Just being rude doesnt prove anything. You dont have to be here. So if you dont like him leave. But you want to stay because you know there is truth in his words...

[@ENFPerspectives]

😆☺️😊

[@Thomasw540]

The meta-metaphysics is yet another transparently lame attempt to subordinate Kant's epistemology to Hume's theory of perception. Hume is a common refuge for fraud of all sorts, although his theory of perception is critical to the scientific method. But it is finite game versus the infinite game of epistemology, as James Carse has described in his Finite and Infinite games. Hawking is trying to sustain fallacy through wishful thinking. I did business with Soviet foreign trade executives back in the day and they were atheists. They were a very spiritual people, although it was attributed to "Esprit de Corps" and not the Holy Spirit, but the State defined their universe and that was that. And there was absolutely no emotional investment in the existence of God one way or the other, It was a profound Materialism. The New Atheist, on the other hand, is emotionally over-invested in narcissism. As much as anything else, it is part of their business plan. Hell, it IS their business plan, which spills over directly into Christian Evangelical business plan, especially as they are committed to Solo Scriptura as core doctrine. Hume's theory of perception is particularly accommodating to either side of a dialectical inquiry. In politics, Hume is the default meta-metaphysics of Donald Trump and his Tea Party Conservatives. And Hawking is trying to validate whatever their might be of Donald Trump's core philosophy.

[@codythompson759]

The arguments for atheism have long been outmatched. It's obvious Dawkins and many others are in denial. Not an issue of the mind but of the heart.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

More mindless crap. "Dawkins and many others are in denial"? what, in denial of the science? Where's the evidence of any god?

[@גקליןיפה]

Dawkins. Hawking. What's What's. In. A. Name

[@DG-mv6zw]

I thought science was based on evidence thats observable, measurable, repeatable.

[@casimirpampo]

Wow beautiful mind Sir John Lennox.

[@Uenbg]

32:19 "People say"..."Science, generally speaking, asks..." (me:science doesn't ask, it's better to keep using the word "science" in its old Latin meaning for the word "scientia" which means "knowledge", you don't want to get confused with the activities of philosophers calling themselves scientists using their imaginations to come up with new philosophies they end up marketing as scientific theories with their best friends and their fanbase, but....he did say after all "people say", but I think that ends here and then he starts talking himself again...)"but it doesn't ask or answer..."(me: it = science = knowledge, and it's still not asking mr. Lennox, but it DOES answer, or at least the right type of knowledge provides the seeker with an answer, I believe that's correct english but english is not my birth language). It's this weird behaviour of trying to attribute some kind of power and differentiation to what questions may be asked when DOING (intentionally saying it wrong know) science. You can't do science. And if you want knowledge, of course what type of knowledge you're going to find depends on what kind of questions you're going to ask and then try to find an answer to through observations, personal experience and reasoning, among a few other things that are involved in acquiring knowledge which are explained in more detail in my playlist called "Can your educational system always be trusted?". Which I think is a good question for acquiring science to start with (edit: my playlist didn't work properly anymore so I made it private, so nvm, the question is still interesting though). And having used the word "seeker" in my comment, I feel compelled to leave behind some biblical concepts which I think mr. Lennox and those who like listening to him might appreciate. Proverbs 15:14: "The understanding heart seeks knowledge,But the mouth of the stupid feeds on foolishness." And for some more on the word "understanding" (found when using the searchterm "knowledge") from the public online library on jw dot org: Understanding. Understanding is the ability to see how the parts or aspects of something relate to one another, to see the entire matter and not just isolated facts. The Hebrew root verb bin has the basic meaning “separate” or “distinguish,” and it is often rendered “understand” or “discern.” It is similar with the Greek sy·ni′e·mi. Thus at Acts 28:26 (quoting Isa 6:9, 10) it could be said that the Jews heard but did not understand, or did not put together. They did not grasp how the points or thoughts fitted together to mean something to them. Proverbs 9:10, in saying that “knowledge of the Most Holy One is what understanding is,” shows that true understanding of anything involves appreciation of its relation to God and his purposes. Because a person with understanding is able to connect new information to things he already knows, it can be said that “to the understanding one knowledge is an easy thing.” (Pr 14:6) Knowledge and understanding are allied, and both are to be sought.-Pr 2:5; 18:15. And yep, because I know too many people won't bother to look up the verses referenced I'll quote those too for anyone to read here, I'll even show some different translations, first NWT: Acts 28:26 saying, ‘Go to this people and say: “You will indeed hear but by no means understand, and you will indeed look but by no means see. Proverbs 9:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom, And knowledge of the Most Holy One is understanding. (Darby Bible Translation) The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; and the knowledge of the Holy is intelligence. (ASV) The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. Proverbs 14:6 (back to NWT) The scoffer seeks wisdom and finds none, But knowledge comes easily to the person with understanding. Proverbs 2:1-5 My son, if you accept my sayings And treasure up my commandments, 2 By making your ear attentive to wisdom And inclining your heart to discernment; 3 Moreover, if you call out for understanding And raise your voice for discernment; 4 If you keep seeking for it as for silver, And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures; 5 Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah, And you will find the knowledge of God. Proverbs 18:15 The heart of the understanding one acquires knowledge, And the ear of the wise seeks to find knowledge. end of bible quotations. Ahhh, it's always refreshing to my mind to see that the last thing I read in the bible is exactly what my whole comment started about, if you accept that the english word "science" is the english version of the Latin word "scientia" meaning "knowledge". The very same word you will probably find in Latin translations of the bible (scientia).

[@mattmun12]

You realize the writers of the bible had a 50/50 chance of guessing if the universe had a beginning or not?

[@lechatbotte.]

Hawkins has stood before God and now knows he was wrong. Sadly he will eternally regret his choice. Same as Carl Sagan.

[@SamIAm-kz4hg]

lechatbotte "Hawkins has stood before God and now knows he was wrong. Sadly he will eternally regret his choice. Same as Carl Sagan." No. They are both gods now. (You get to make shit up. I get to make shit up).

[@michaelgonzalez9058]

Lebneiz went to WAR and it changed him

[@timmytimmy12121212]

we created the idea of god and he did not created us

[@ThisGuy4]

Man like Lennox! 🙌🏼

[@donn07]

AMEN 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@michaelgonzalez9058]

If a optimal cannot rise one is promotional

[@go2mark1313]

hawkins was a failed attempt to clone darwin. they would have done better to mate barney and spongebob

[@rapturebound197]

Ok that was funny...very 8th gradish of you but funny! ;)

[@mattmun12]

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." -Albert Einstein.

[@DG-mv6zw]

R.Jastrow ( Cosmologist, Physicist,Astronomer): 'For the scientist who has lived by faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a BAD DREAM. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, HE IS GREETED BY A BAND OF THEOLOGIANS WHO HAVE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR CENTURIES. '

[@srrlIdl]

He himself has to believe that X (God) created Y (time) while Y already exists, otherwise God had no time to create anything. That's nonsense.

[@lengraves2556]

The Creator God is outside of time. God is eternal AND the God of time. Blessings.

[@SamIAm-kz4hg]

@@lengraves2556 "The Creator God is outside of time." So then how could you ever know this? The only way is that you simply took someone's word for it. Since you're not a god, you've simply got to accept it. Considering all of the bullshit in the world, that's a dumbass idea. Some people don't ever seem to think through the bullshit they spew. You are one of them.

[@0VistaDelMar0]

Craig and Lennox are delusional

[@ntsokolomemani3874]

I really find it hard to believe people think Lennox makes sense with all these things he is saying. I really can't believe he is a professor of maths. Something that is all about logic and he is the opposite of the word logic

[@wittsend86]

Could you please give an example of something he said that was illogical?

[@bobwilkinson2008]

@@wittsend86 All of this lecture. It's all just waffle with a few scientific words thrown in to make it sound logical. I've never heard such a load of rubbish.

[@MusaKhanandalusian]

The matter is when there was nothing how does time emerge a cause? if its due to chance, how does chance exist in nothing? if it was due to another universe which too had an emergence then its infinite regression.

[@stevedoetsch]

32:02 Laws of physics and nature are effects, not causes. They are patterns we observe in matter, they do not produce, or cause matter to come into existence. This confusion is a fundamental error in Hawking's understanding of the universe. He confuses causes and effects thus claiming that laws precede material things when laws are patterns observed after material things already exist. But what causes the material thing to exist and what causes the pattern? Science explains neither.

[@schmetterling4477]

Quantum fields. You are welcome.

[@Angle98411]

@@schmetterling4477 Quantum physics are just explaining God's creative work🤷‍♂️

[@schmetterling4477]

@@Angle98411 Is that why you are still using crayons?

[@rLnSazon]

'Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of GOD; because many false prophets have gone out into the world' (1 John 4:1). Be like the Bereans... "Not all statements by scientists are statements of Science" and "The MORE I understand Science, the MORE my worship of The CREATOR increases" and "Atheism is a fairy story for people afraid of The LIGHT" (John Lennox). I've been listening to Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones for a few years and GOD has used his "logic-on-fire" sermons and in-depth expositions of GOD's Word to deepen my understanding and love for our TRIune GOD. Now the LORD SPIRIT has provided Professor Lennox's lectures to help me better understand the atheistic world view, so that I may better point to the Reality of GOD with my friends who are atheists or liberal Christians -- with respect towards them, no matter our differences in belief systems. Today with much FAKE news by the major news media and the LEFT's narrative of altogether removing the GOD of the Bible out of American society -- more than ever I appreciate men of GOD like John Lennox, who are bold and passionate for The TRUTH of GOD -- CHRIST JESUS Himself. I especially appreciate his "Why I am a Christian" talk to the youths in Perth, Australia and his debates with much-followed and believed atheists of our time. May GOD grace Professor Lennox with many more years of healthy debating! \o/

[@JnWayn]

John Lennox is just another apologist obfuscator. He just goes on and on about what some other guy he doesn't agree with says, digging himself a gap in science to stuff with the god-of-the-gaps.

[@ApplesAndOranges1]

Well thats what a debate entails. And its how we as logical humans discuss different ideas🤣. You believe everything came from nothing! Sounds like science of the gaps🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JnWayn]

@@ApplesAndOranges1 don't tell me what I believe. I don't think there was ever nothing, just like you. You're only now resorting to nothing after gods have been rejected as wishful thinking. Not having a creator doesn't imply coming from nothing, or if it does then god also come from nothing so either way we both have the same start. You just have no evidence for gods

[@schmetterling4477]

@@ApplesAndOranges1 What's up with the crayons, bro?