Better in every way? Analysis of Lynx vs Sherman S (S02Ep2)

[@jonoeuc]

Btw the Lynx and Patton footplates are Interchangeable but not with the sherman s.

[@EUCScotland]

just ordered the nylonove bite system for my upcoming lynx using your code...does that mean I can order the pedals now if they the same as the patton?

[@darkstar4494]

Oh that’s interesting. It looks like lynx pedals have inferior spikes compared with Patton.

[@EUCScotland]

@@darkstar4494I think he means they are just the same pivots

[@darkstar4494]

@@EUCScotland just to be clear, are you saying I should be able to install my Patton pedals on a lynx?

[@EUCScotland]

@@darkstar4494 yes.... I contacted nylonove and their patton /lynx pedal is the same pedal

[@supakat1835]

I would like the range of Sherman S with all the features of the lynx. Maybe that will be the next version.

[@HerricktheMildlyPerturbed]

Would kill the weight which is a big draw.

[@monocyc]

oh yes. Lynx 3600 ❤

[@kingrook45]

Im looking for range, so sherman s me please

[@MathieuTechMoto]

Another great video, one time i did 130km on the Sherman-S with about 30% battery remaining, riding speeds between 25-40 km/h

[@FinnBjerke]

Youve got the engineers approach for this greatly appreciated info.

[@FinnBjerke]

But Im not gonna sell my Sherman S there will be new better wheels every half year.

[@beetz12]

This is the best comparison video I've seen between the Lynx and Sherman S. I just had this same debate with myself recently about which wheel I should get, upgrading from a KS16X and I reached the same conclusion. At the end of the day, what made the difference for me in ordering the Lynx was the lighter weight, resulting in a more responsive ride, the greater top speed and increased power, the safety considerations, and the ergonomics. Plus in all the review videos, the Lynx just seemed like a much more fun wheel to ride. There is no wheel for every rider but based on my needs, I think the Lynx is perfect!

[@jonoeuc]

Hey Beetz, good research. Exactly the weight is a massive influence. It'll be a massive upgrade in performance, enjoy!

[@monowheeling]

The first sentence you got completely wrong: 0:40 " _it's one of the huge factors and the reason I am so excited about this wheel [the Lynx] is that they managed to pack all of this power and performance in a lightweight unit_ " The Sherman S weighs 9lbs more than the Lynx, however it has also a 900Wh larger battery. Batteries weigh around 1lb/100Wh. That is, adjusted for battery size, both wheels weigh almost exactly the same.

[@jonoeuc]

I'll have to disagree with you. The weight savings are a big deal. Now that I have the Lynx it rides completely differently as I said. Better braking, acceleration, cornering plus, mounting dismounting and trolleying around. All of these are encased in the 'performance'. some mathematical equivalency is all good and well. however it doesn't change the power and performance aspect (note I don't say range or battery) Although I do say the Sherman S has more battery. Hopefully that helps clear things up. Cheers Jono

[@monowheeling]

@@jonoeuc sure, the Sherman S is way too heavy and the Lynx is too, that's nothing you need me to convince of. I wonder though, don't you understand that what you describe as "weight saving" was just putting a smaller battery?

[@ed_boogie]

Very tempting especially with a tubeless tire.

[@christopherclements4707]

I have so many questions about the tubeless setup. I've heard it makes maintenance more complicated and can result in leaks. Can you shed some light on why you'd prefer a tubeless tire over a tubed one?

[@wutruriding1355]

Oh man, here goes another wheel I’ll have to hide from my wife. Just ordered one. Thanks, great comparison.

[@KevinRedmondWA]

I have both. I love both.

[@ke72499]

Can i have the other one?

[@KevinRedmondWA]

@@ke72499 no way! Get yer own! 🤣

[@ke72499]

@@KevinRedmondWA please? 😗

[@KevinRedmondWA]

@@ke72499 lol no way. They are my babies.

[@ke72499]

@@KevinRedmondWA yes way! I love babies 😘 Here’s my address…..

[@magnetmannenbannanen]

I got to ask, how long before the battery breaks on these? I hear a lot of china quality battery powered stff gets bricked in a year or two?

[@jonoeuc]

Most manufacturers use Samsung or LG batteries now. You should always check that. If they are (like these models) you can expect MINIMUM 300 charges ~21,000km. They aren't dead at that point. The capacity is around 80%. I'm not sure how they're affected with simply aging and not being used much. The majority of riders change to another wheel before the battery dies or becomes severely reduced.

[@darkstar4494]

same weight here. 62lb is fine on my patton for street riding and small jumps. i never bottom out. i don’t think i’d need 66

[@jonoeuc]

I think you are wise. I may have been misled by others by choosing the 66lbs spring. I'll post updates whenever it arrives!

[@iustitiaepervenit]

Biggest and the Only important argument for the Sherman S for me is Range

[@jonoeuc]

important factor. I'm looking forward to a range comparison on my regular routes. Hoping for not less than 70km fast riding.

[@liamventer]

How does the hall sensor algorithm work? Has anyone tested it in the real world yet? I am skeptical given the very brief info provided by Leaper Kim so far. Without an operational hall sensor they can't know how fast the wheel is rotating.

[@jonoeuc]

checkout this real world test 7min 45s here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKWbZHelrJ2kpM0si=OGNVk4-QhIsRYAvD&t=465 It's clever enough to keep you upright until you can fully stop. big win. I don't know more specifics, hope that helps cheers

[@captnhuffy]

Very, very, informative. Thanks

[@jonwall4994]

You are making it tough to hang on to existing wheels

[@SonofDarnell]

Would you say the Lynx is the most comfortable EUC for seated riding?

[@jonoeuc]

no I wouldn't. The larger sherman s was more comfortable due to stability when up at speed but unwieldy taking off and at low speed. Lynx better at taking off and at low speed.

[@calcon11]

Thanks for the video, great set of information.

[@darrenboone4239]

My route, which is a mix of off roading and paths with steep inclines on both is 58 miles, if i take the shortest path, the long path is 71 miles, so for me not being one for high speeds but knowing i can cruz around the 40mph mark is just fine. If i don't overpower it going up very steep offroad hills the ShermanS will still get me up there. So the use case FOR ME for the Lynx would be as a short range commuter or race wheel. Great Review and great job.

[@JonahHax]

80 km is not exactly short range if you look at peoples average tour lengths in EUC World.

[@jonoeuc]

Hey Darren, understandable! It's tough giving up the assurance of the extra battery. I realised that the majority of my rides are easily within the Lynxs range. Mainly because it's my car replacer. Meaning I'm doing shorter trips to the gym, visit family and running errands. Rarely go touring longer distances. I'm resigned to carrying the charger for those occasions! cheers jono

[@a.k.akingloose]

Cheers! Texas🦾

[@adilsonmendessilva8000]

Oi Jon vou trocar meu v11 pelo Lynx obrigado pelas suas dicas vou ter as mesmas dificuldade que vc teve mas agora com informações valiosas

[@GUNDanielGUN]

Hi. I'm changing my v11 to Lunx too.

[@apro_zbruh]

Would the lynx be good for a heavy rider?

[@jonoeuc]

yes, the limiting factor maybe that the heaviest spring rate is 70lbs. There is a chart on the ewheels lynx page for weight and suspension sag

[@MC-ny7iw]

I follow your all videos. I am new to the euc world, want to buy my first wheel, I am on the heavy side (120kg), I currently have two strategies in my mind. One, buy a smaller Euc, perhaps KS s16. Try it out, learn the basics, make sure I like the hobby, then with lessons learned decide to upgrade to a bigger wheel, my two theoretical candidates (after having watched 100s of videos and 0 practical experience) will be the Patton or Sherman s, 70lb shocks. Patton looks like perfect, though the extra range for a heavy rider like me, sounds enticing. Other approach will be to buy directly either the patton or Sherman s, "pay once, cry once" and take the time to learn how to ride, as from what I heard learning in a bigger wheel will take some time. What would be you approach if you were in my position?. I intend to use it for city commute and perhaps some gravel roads, during trips. I want to have it in my model y when I travel to a place to further explore it in euc. trails? Maybe in the future, but not something I see likely Happening. Thanks. Big fan from Palo Alto, California!

[@jonoeuc]

Hey MC, I'd do my best to find any EUC in the area to try out. Best bet is a shop or local riders. That's what I did and tried a smaller non suspension wheel. It was alot of fun but I could feel it was too much of a toy and felt more or less like a manual unicycle. Thus i'd outgrow it quickly. I then tried the v11 and felt it had room to grow into so that's what my first one was. If you can't find any eucs to try out. ask yourself if you like skiing, rollerblading and other inline sports? Surfing, onewheel and snowboarding don't translate much but if you're enjoying learning those too then the learning process for EUC will be enjoyable. Going straight to a larger wheel, while difficult, is usually better in the long run. Particularly at your riding weight and goals of commuting and offroad. Since you want to travel with it and commute i'd suggest something smaller than the Sherman S unless you need the 3600Wh battery. The Patton is brilliant and should do well for those use cases. Perhaps the Lynx is you wish to ride faster. hope that helps, jono

[@SociallStupid]

Third; Love the EUC content keep it up!

[@Jameslongstafff]

On ya bro

[@doctorpd1959]

I only weigh 135-140 lbs. Which suspension should I choose for the Lynx? 62 lbs or 66 lbs? Chooch is about my weight and he loves the 66 lbs. on the Lynx that he is riding.

[@jonoeuc]

Hi Mate, Remember chooch is a performance rider including off road. if your Style is similar, then definitely lean towards the 66 otherwise look at Marty Backe. He went 62 and he's a heavier rider (200lbs) and he's loving it. . The difference being, He had to use the preload to adjust the sag. which might be your situation, safer bet 62lbs. Hope that helps cheers jono

[@doctorpd1959]

@@jonoeuc I am NOT an off-road rider. I do 95% of my riding on the street. Perhaps I should change it over to 62 lbs. I will have to notify Ewheels the change ASAP. Thank you for the information about Marty. I did not see his video yet but I will.

[@davewood1982]

Makes you wonder how they've made it so light thou, My concern would be durability and longevity of the lighter parts/materials been used. Im probably bias because i own a Patton but i still think overall the patton is better value for money because it's around £1000 cheaper than the Lynx, and the sherman s will still standout because it's the plushiest long long range suspension wheel currently available.

[@jonoeuc]

The Patton is awesome, loved my test ride. I reckon its essentially 16" wheel vs 20" wheel class. Nimble torque vs faster cruising stability. ofc not 100% since i haven't ridden the lynx yet. Yes! good point I wanted to mention the durability concern. Weight savings by more magnesium aloy used. proven strong on the sherman s shells. *however* the lighter rim IS a possible downgrade. I've heard its strong but less ductile more brittle. meaning more likely to crack from tyre bottom out. Wait and see situation. Cheers jono

[@prawnshop4573]

Im done with constant euc upgrades, im riding my sherman s till it falls apart 😂

[@jonoeuc]

The sherman s is an excellent EUC and really does hold up well. race footage from zen lee. I'd just as much ignore euc news and enjoy my wheel but I like to make content too! facebook.com/100006686104436/videos/1144872423166609/

[@StevePöttler]

Again, a very good video! My lynx is moved by 2 drives. I am 75kg, sporty on the road and trails and my mother is 55kg, more comfortable on gravel roads. Which suspension can you recommend?

[@jonoeuc]

Hi Stefan, That's trickier if you're aiming for two riding weights. 75kg and 55kg. I presume aren't riding weights? so add +7kg for gear etc = 82kg and 62kg riding weights. Since the spring rate is primarily to set the initial sag (see below link) and can be dialed in with preload. I suggest going 62lbs spring to accommodate the lighter rider. Then you can adjust the sag for your heavier riding weight. For trail riding and more aggressive riding, that's where the rebound and compression damping adjustments come in! Hope that helps, cheers Jono forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/34567-how-to-tune-your-shermans-patton-lynx-suspension-101/

[@StevePöttler]

@@jonoeuc thanks, that help a lot! Do you think i can go for bigger jumps with the 62lbs as well?

[@liamventer]

Preload only sets ride height. It does not and can not set spring rate...unless you can apply enough preload to start binding some of the coils. @@jonoeuc

[@XtianApi]

Great video. I'd suggest covering your camera screen so you don't look at yourself. It really takes up a lot of mental processing evaluating. It's less awkward if you can't see yourself. Cheers! Great vid

[@jonoeuc]

I think I hung a list of dot points off the camera here. Better to just hold them to remind myself of each! Thanks for the tip!

[@seanp789]

What is your rider weight?

[@jonoeuc]

Hi Sean, 80kg (175lbs)

[@dwcola]

How much do you weigh?????

[@jonoeuc]

weighed riding weight today. 77.7kg (171lbs). I think the 62lbs spring is likely better and have asked for it. Otherwise we shall see with the 66lbs lynx.

[@dwcola]

@@jonoeuc Thx. I'm about the same. 175 to 180 lbs. I saw some posts that possibly 66 lb is better as the shocks wear in and you can dial them back a little if needed but still have some room left...

[@JonahHax]

Everyone is so excited for the hall sensor failure protection.. It's nothing new, the Abrams have had that for more than a year now and it's all done in software so all wheels could potentially get it. Also, you did not mention how fast these wheels can charge? What's the max amps we can throw at them? I believe the 50S can charge much faster but can the motherboard handle the extra current? I don't mind 2700WH at all, since I am used to that from my Abrams, but even the Abrams can charge at 15 amps, so a full charge in about 2 hours. I hope the Lynx can do better than that???

[@Patriksitter]

It's 15 amps on lynx

[@Jukeboxandi]

Very interesting. In the most range tests I saw with the Sherman S, it ended up with a range of an average of 120km.

[@lefotografion]

Nah, 70km before battery is down enough to not be fun anymore, like 13%, at least when I ride it

[@VladimirMinkin]

So you have your own Lynx, don't you?

[@jonoeuc]

not yet, the shipment got delayed. It should arrive early in the new year.

[@Mpower31]

Are you being jarred because the 62lb is too stiff? I wish they'd make a 58lb prpgresive spring for us lighter people :).

[@jonoeuc]

That spring exists! E-Riderz isn't getting any in because its by special request only. Perhaps ask around? Are you wanting that spring in the sherman s or in the lynx? cheers jono

[@Mpower31]

@jonoeuc forsure in the Lynx! I heard it exists in the linear form are you sure it exists in the progressive form? By the way are you finding the 62 lb spring on the Sherman s to be too stiff for your weight?

[@jonoeuc]

Here is the source for the 58lbs spring skip to 1min 38s kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYCzn62ljtF7qJYsi=RrgloL66uR5lfHp8&t=1m28s Yea the 62lbs isn't a plush ride. it feels premium but rather stiff during the entire travel ie linear. thats why I'm excited for the progressive revision from Fastace! I'm getting the right sag on it for my weight. so it seems to just be the damping characteristics of the linear fastace sherman s suspension

[@Mpower31]

@jonoeuc thanks! Wouldn't the progressive spring be worse, though? I think of it as starting at 62lbs and going up from there?

[@Runewitify]

​@@Mpower31not sure, but I thought the progressive spring would be softer at the top?

[@hankVa13ncia]

Just FYI, I Believe if you ordered the Lynx from Ewheels, they will provide the seat and pivot hardware along with power pads at no additional cost

[@patrickmckowen2999]

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[@КошкапоимениБелка]

Спасибо за обзор! Я хочу перейти с моего v11 на LYNX!))

[@jonoeuc]

Huge upgrade!

[@BigBoss-gb4cx]

IMHO Sherman S is better since range is the most important factor

[@jonoeuc]

Easy choice for you with that criteria! Sherman S is an excellent wheel and I'm really splitting hairs on some of these points.

[@pacochawa2746]

I lik3 the lynx but range isnt sounding that good.

[@jonoeuc]

Range is tough since it's sooo subjective to the rider. weight, speed, elevation changes, head wind, top speeds, avg riding and accelerating hard? I think we have a good picture now with those three test points. My first Sherman S range test was 110km and I could drain it in 90km now so it varies wildly depending on those parameters.

[@Vince4343]

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