Better than a Carbon Cub??? Bearhawk PATROL Specs

[@57eleven1]

130’ take off and it’ll cruise at 140+! Stalling at 40 power off! And, a 4 place. That’s sweet! Thx for sharing

[@RumblestripDotNet]

it's a two place bird.

[@57eleven1]

Oops! You’re right. I was looking at their 4 place as well but this is two. Thx

[@Neeeeeeeko]

4 place will do about the same or even better with an io540

[@57eleven1]

Nick Duncan I just wish I didn’t have to build it. I’m 57 years old. I’d be probably 60 by the time I finished. I’d love to build it but I’d rather be flying one. I’ll be on the lookout. TMI, sorry. Lol Thx for you reply

[@Neeeeeeeko]

Scott Koehn yep I know how you feel. I had a 4 place with an IO-390. Mine was ok but no where near the crème of the crop. After I sold it I said that one day I would build the perfect bearhawk with a 540. Finding the time is the problem as you say. If you see one for sale snap it up. They are unbeatable. I kept mine at my house and had a 600ft paddock to work with. Bearhawk made it look easy.

[@BPCougar8000]

I have loved the bearhawk since I read about it in 2007. So glad you acquired one to put it through its paces.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

We're having fun with it so far👍

[@homertalk]

Love the forward cam. Kinda like the wonder woman plane cam

[@thegeek3348]

can't wait to see this thing in person. hope the trip is going well.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Going great! Looking forward to our stops in NJ, PA, and VA!

[@georgerahn1301]

Very nice job on your work with the Patrol, we spoke a few days ago and I asked about your path down through the Southeast specifically Savannah, Ga. Have a good Holiday and be safe, looking forward to meeting you all on your way down.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Looking forward to it as well, hope you enjoy your holiday!

[@MikePatey]

Great video 👍🤠

[@tomcoryell]

Mike Patey Dang Mike! You’re slacking man! Back to work!😉😎

[@TheBaldPilot]

Outstanding performance review of the Bearhawk Patrol! Good stuff, Jon!

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

I appreciate it!

[@robertlafnear4865]

Hope you enjoy a great holiday dinner ...... and........... I LOVE that plane ! Fly safe.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving!

[@timfoster5241]

Great vid. I’ve been looking at BH for awhile. Great to see real world numbers. Just subscribed too so looking forward to more vids.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Thanks for following us along for the journey!

[@StudioRV8]

I didn’t think wind would have any impact on TAS, or any airspeed for that matter. What’s up with that? Nice overview of the airplane and thanks for the video

[@ryanp3907]

The airspeed indicator doesn’t usually show the actual tas at the angle of attack n stuff in a stall

[@StudioRV8]

@@ryanp3907 The TAS is calculated (by Garmin in this case) based on DA and IAS. There was a comment about wind speed impacting TAS. Wind speed isn't a factor.

[@EricSimoneau]

Great video! Some really great analysis. Great overall plane. So well rounded.. Can go anywhere.

[@bernardanderson7569]

The best one is still looking ahead is the Piper Super Cub

[@Windtee]

Great meetin' ya at Lincoln Park, Jon!

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Nice to meet you too!!

[@leviself1901]

Looks like it has a static leak or a bad static source placement. That is why the TAS is showing too high on the Garmin display. I have found the TAS in the Garmin display to be very accurate if static port and OAT probe placements are good.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Ya, something we're troubleshooting

[@ginacalabrese3869]

An AOA indicator and something like the dual shock system the kitfox guys have been getting and this thing would make an excellent contender in the STOL drags. It would probably perform quite well as is also.

[@cluelessbeekeeping1322]

Great 'real life' review. Very common sense approach, none of the stripped down extreme approach, this was a great review. What you said about flying it next to another similar plane is a great idea! I can't wait to see the comparison. A ChickenHawk (as I cal them) lives next to my N3. He scratch built it. That guy (the builder is a total badass!)

[@j.muckafignotti4226]

Everything with your performance review is cool but we don’t have a real frame work to work in. I haven’t read all of the comments so if am repeating just say so. First, which engine and and your approx. take-off weight? That will go a long way in establishing actual ‘performance’ as the rest of the stuff is really pilot-centric. Thanks.

[@JTGmartin]

On your way back north stop at WWD I’d like to see a bear hawk up close. It you have time I’ll take you in to Cape May and show you around.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Maybe we'll make it out there when we get towards DC!

[@gerritdykgraaf2570]

Hey Jon nice video!! Take time and enjoy the plane !! Fly Time, with any bird is your friend !! Say Jon,,,, you and Steph have a wonderful Thanksgiving!! Enjoy the family time!! It never last long enough for sure!! As always Jon! Fly Low,,, Fly Safe,,, G -Man

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving!

[@goldeneaglearbor614]

Can yall make a video like this with a kitfox sti? It would be cool to see how they compare. Love the vids btw 👍

[@Mike-01234]

Bearhawk has larger wings kitfox is smaller so the wings can fold also meets LSA in weight. Kitfox 132 SQ feet wing the bearhawk patrol is 180 Sq feet wing. I would say the bearcat is more in line with the Carboncub ex or PA-18 supercub check out the video "Bob Barrows Approach to Airplane Design" on Bearhawks youtube channel guy knows his stuff.

[@Sports-Jorge]

You should checkout Andover NJ and do a video with Damian from Tailwheel 101 vid. Has a cub and steerman there at an airport with great views.

[@christiancormier7847]

Love your new aircraft! Happy Thanksgiving!

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Hope you enjoyed your holiday!!

[@benhuston310]

0:56 CRAAAWLING IIIIIN MY SKIIIIN!!!!

[@karlsandin4515]

Can’t wait to get myself a tail wheel endorsement, greetings from fort Myers

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

It's a great thing to do to improve your skills!

[@deanmerculief2966]

The specifications between both aircraft aren't even close. Size of engine, props constant speed versus fixed. Get someone that has the same engine and other stuff and see what we come up with including the same wing profile. Can you do that?

[@emmetwilkening7819]

Awesome video, how much does one of these usually go for?? Well say minus the advanced avionics

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Call up Mark at Bearhawk...he has all the details on current pricing

[@bdaileron]

It’ll take off shorter with 30 degrees of flap.

[@wanderlpnw]

I don't have too much super cub experience. I just used to rent one for fun, but I've never done any better in takeoff distance. Little lower stall. But I flew the o-320 version so it's probably a lot lighter. A helluva lot slower cruise than this plane. Great video!

[@AkPacerPilot]

Awesome, looks like it’s preforming pretty well...

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Ya....going good! Getting a little more used to it each day👍

[@jemo_hack]

Nicely executed!

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

We appreciate it!!

[@ericpowell3102]

Are you still at Lincoln park airport!!?? I’m taking classes there and I would love to see this plane in person as this is my sole reason for getting my license!!

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

It was there for a week...just moved it to N40 today, it'll be here til Thursday morning, then on to LOM

[@aviatortrevor]

Why are you concerned about your ground speed in the stall? I can understand there's an effect in landing distance upwind vs. downwind, but I'm not sure why an average ground speed when hitting stall derived from that particular day's winds-aloft is of any practical use?

[@dragthatsht]

He said he wasn't sure about the accuracy of the pitot system. With gps you have accurate ground speed, you can calculate out wind speed to get rid of pitot error caused be AoA. That's my guess any way.

[@aviatortrevor]

@@dragthatsht Ah, gotcha.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

The airspeed won't be remotely reliable at high AOA....it pretty much reads 0 on this plane. Trying to get data that you could accurately compare other aircraft to.

[@RussellTelker]

@@dragthatsht That's why he did it twice, once into the wind, and again with the wind. average the two and get a "relatively" accurate number...

[@coeu8967]

Quite Nice panel

[@space1commander]

Thanks for that info about the Bearhawk FlY8MA. Now how much is the crazy Number on it new?. And what is Your take on the G5 and the G3 displays?.

[@clarencehopkins7832]

Excellent stuff bro

[@dylanholland2470]

If you're still in Sarasota, let me know. I am in punta gorda. I have flown tricycle gear. I fly sport. Eurofox to be exact. I bought a small tailwheel ultralight and was wonfering if you could provide some tail wheel training. Or knowledge. Or tips. Ill pay obviously for your time and drive to you. I just dont want to take it to the field, ground loop it and lose myself.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Shoot me an email! [e-mail]

[@manoloaviation8609]

Awesome man!

[@sblack48]

How did you get the airspeed and g readout on to the video? That's cool. I flew the patrol at Osh in 2014 and loved it

[@digitalpilot6854]

Might be something similar to cloud ahoy.

[@AgeCobra]

What about the take off weight compared to the 170 ?

[@cr-us9ch]

Awesome video. Thank you

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Feel free to share it around a bit!

[@edge540steve]

Great video! Keep it up!

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

We appreciate it!!

[@hauberbrian]

What do you mean by 24 squared?

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

24" manifold pressure (power setting), 2,400rpm ......it's a constant speed prop

[@hauberbrian]

@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 I've never heard that term used before, but thank you for the reply

[@benjaminbixby8459]

I want to get a Bearhawk rather than a Kitfox now....

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Definitely very different capabilities....I would certainly prefer the bearhawk

[@kevinrushmere]

what engine was in the patrol please ?

[@josesbox9555]

An air data computer in a light aircraft. Who would have thought?

[@donandhisstationair2382]

Great plane!

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Definitely loving it so far!

[@dragthatsht]

Have you been in the four place? Any thoughts on it?

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Made a whole video on it as well... it's on our channel

[@dashriprock2916]

Wonder what it would true out at 8500'

[@Jesusistheonlyway86]

What engine?

[@AV8R_1]

Can you fly it with the windows open?

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Sure...we have up to 100mph... there's not a "published" window speed as each one is experimental

[@blaster-zy7xx]

Why were you using ground speed for stalls and not just go by the airspeed indicator?

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Indicated airspeed is guaranteed to be totally inaccurate at high AOA....it reads 0 on this plane....

[@blaster-zy7xx]

@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 Thank you. Then what are you supposed to use as an air speed indicator for a slow approach? You can't use ground speed for obvious reasons.

[@pauleyplay]

@@blaster-zy7xx Well said & so true !!!!

[@pauleyplay]

@@blaster-zy7xx He does ! I don't know how & it cant work. Would you please state the obvious ? I don't believe how to fly is taught anymore. I go way back, Old & bold !

[@alaskancub7124]

So this is a tandem it looks like? Also what engine is in it? Tough to say “better than a supercub” a lot of people have said that over the decades and then gear breaks, or other things not related specifically to performance only happens...lol

[@portnuefflyer]

The gear is much cleaner then a SCub, but not as bush worthy, no cabane in the slip stream probably accounts for 5-8 mph extra cruise.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

It's certainly one of those things time will only tell...and I think at the end of the day there is never a "better" airplane.... they'll all have their purpose and strengths and weaknesses. This one however definitely has great performance at first glance....time will tell as more get built and crashed how durable they are

[@alaskancub7124]

portnuefflyer agreed; I prefer sturdy and “bush worthy” as you said to cleaner gear for what I use my airplane for.

[@darioushdadyan1288]

Do you train private pilots on a regular base?

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Send a quick email over! [e-mail]

[@pieterkotze7728]

Which engine do you have in there? I believe you said in an ealier video it is a 180 Hp. Is it the fuel injected version ?

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

O360 180HP carb

[@thedilettantegamer8860]

how do you determine max gross weight in an experimental?

[@sblack48]

The dilettante Gamer it’s a design weight. The designer should tell you. If you go above it then you have less structural margin i.e. you can’t pull as much g before failure as the designer intended, whatever that might be. Bob Barrows specs it out in the Patrol plans.

[@thedilettantegamer8860]

​@@sblack48, Oh ok, so the manufacturer will still provide the MGW and G limits for the designed airframe. that makes sense now. is this the same for CG limits? this topic has not been discussed with my CFI. I'll need to review it with them and do some more independent research on it.

[@realthrill]

Whats insurance like

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Depends on the pilot and how many hours and what ratings they have.

[@johnmasters3851]

Where do I get one

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Call up Mark over at Bearhawk!

[@aviatortrevor]

Is this thing IFR-certified?

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Nope....could be with the right instruments easy enough though

[@1logpil]

Throw on a set of 31'ABW's! It will help with your take off roll with a slightly higher AoA. And with the extra drag, it will be easier to slow it down on final. They will also slow the plane down a few more MPH in level cruise. It all depends on your mission, if you need the bigger tires, you don't need the speed; If you need the speed, you don't need the bigger tires. Also get the Garmin GAP26 AoA probe for that G3X. Fly the AoA, not the airspeed during final, it will shorten up your landing :)

[@1logpil]

Cant wait to see it at VDZ!

[@sblack48]

This plane doesn’t need any help slowing down. The flaps are massive. Those big wheels look cool but they kill your top speed.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Hope to have it up there!

[@johntempest267]

Waiting for someone to drop an LS 3 in a Bearhawk 4 place.

[@drewhansen429]

To heavy.

[@johntempest267]

@@drewhansen429 You mean too heavy? IO 540 weighs 430lbs LS 3 weighs 418lbs Did you know that drew?

[@drewhansen429]

@@johntempest267 both those are dry weights. The io540 is air cooled, the ls3 is not. So you can account for an extra 6-8 gallons of coolant on the ls3, which is 40-50 pounds, along with a gear reduction unit for the ls3 that would weigh AT LEAST another 50-100 pounds. Plus all the accessories since that ls3 weight is for a bare long block..... so it will come in a MINIMUM 100 pounds heavier then an io-540. And an io-540 is already significantly larger then what the patrol was designed for. The patrol was designed for the o320-o360 engines.

[@johntempest267]

@@drewhansen429 You're coocoo for coco puffs drew. 6 to 8 gallons of coolant? Have you ever seen a radiator? Try 1.8 gallons. Air cooled engines block and head castings are much thicker and more robust offsetting this coolant weight. The 418lbs is the weight of the entire engine installed. The weight of the gear reduction drive (22 lbs not 100) is offset by the removal of A/C compressor and the power steering pump which are included in the installed weight of the LS. BTW I said in my first post 4 place Bearhawk, which is routinely powered by the IO 540.

[@drewhansen429]

@@johntempest267 I'm actually a master mechanic.... the radiators dont hold a ton but the block and heads do. The ls3 is not 418 pounds ready to install

[@pauleyplay]

What does ground speed have to do with stall speed of any airplane ? Very misleading !

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

You're joking right?

[@pauleyplay]

@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 Deadly serious. Two different sets of numbers, Your plane fly's by airspeed not ground. Always the wind over the wings. Can your hawk fly backwards ? Sure can. just needs enough headwind. Lets say 40 indicated & 45 headwind. We know this will have us going 5mph backwards. Here is where guys get lost. The airplane does not know or care. AIRSPEED will still be 40 over the wings. Swing around downwind , indicated still 40, 85 ground speed. Airspeed + or - equals ground speed.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Here's what anyone who holds an airman certificate needs to know: Airplanes stall at any airspeed, in any attitude. Exceeding the AOA is the ONLY thing that causes a stall. Indicated airspeed has nothing to do with a stall, and in this airplane and many others, airspeed reads terribly inaccurately in a 1g stall (90% of the aircraft out there will not have accurate IAS at stalling AOA and many read 0). This is a test of true airspeed (ground speed) at a 1g stall for the given conditions. This is the speed you could potentially slow the aircraft to prior to touchdown, thus landing shorter. Here we're trying to COMPARE what aircraft out there can land short, and COMPARABLE landing distance is mostly determined by speed at touchdown. In no wind, which is how we want to compare airplanes, this airplane is capable of sustaining flight right around 40mph, indicating 20-30 IAS depending on how smooth the air is flowing into that little tube, and the only instrument that will remotely be accurate at that configuration is your fingertips and butt.

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Just so everyone is clear, relying on IAS to avoid a stall is akin to relying on rumble strips to keep your car in the center of your lane going down the highway.....while it's not entirely useless information, it is in no way a primary source to be used to keep your car in the center of a lane.

[@pauleyplay]

@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199So what should we use ?

[@lime701]

I'd be afraid of that I pad dropping on my head

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Haha, it's on there pretty tight. Mygoflight mount

[@bernardanderson7569]

Not good short field take off because the tail wheel hits the pavement right at your rotation

[@ddaniel307]

Thanks for the review! Very interested to see more on both the 4 place and Patrol!. How is baggage space in the Patrol? Would golf clubs fit in the Patrol? And have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

Deff could, tons of room without rear seat, still quite a bit of room with the rear seat. The earlier walkaround vid we did on the patrol shows you all the crap we pilled in it

[@et5881]

Traffic scan! Traffic scan! Fly safe. Look around, man!

[@randystern7870]

Piss poor fuel economy for performance. Rans s21 outbound for the Win. Hands down.

[@cluelessbeekeeping1322]

*ChickenHawk, and yes, it's better.

[@zackriden79]

the answer is NO

[@rebekah-chriss-k4872]

Time to grin and bear it haha :P

[@Watson1]

Good video, but you need to slow your radio talk down, far too fast. Even your review speech is far to fast. Slow it down.

[@digitalpilot6854]

Change the play back speed or turn on Closed captions. Sounded fine to me.

[@bjs2022]

“Bad sound makes good video look bad.” Extreme breath-popping and plosives become very annoying very quickly.

[@quidestnunc9238]

Write a script. Be succinct. Please become professional.

[@df98156]

What the heck, so unnecessarily mean...you must be a competitor's alt account :)

[@sledawgpilot]

You should ask for your money back. Oh wait...

[@quidestnunc9238]

@@sledawgpilot Actually, I Do pay for KZbin. Apparently, you do Not.

[@thomasmixson7064]

Clearing turns? Level at 4000? Fast test.......hiuuuuum, lots of time with eyes in plane, not outsiide.... Really?

[@jayphilipwilliams]

Ever heard of context? Ever heard of video editing? You think his entire test flight was 9 minutes?

[@thomasmixson7064]

@@jayphilipwilliams ....this is presented as instructional, but no mention of required precautions.... Editing can account for only so much

[@fly8ma.comflighttraining199]

This isn't instructional....this is just observations of our new plane...do not try at home. :) ...and yes, 25 different precautions taken, talking to approach, ADS-B, etc....

[@sblack48]

Post a video of yourself flying so that we can all pick apart everything you do there Captain Safety

[@thomasmixson7064]

@@sblack48 ....I knew...just wanted them to mention it...Over 2000 hrs with steam gauges, 2 nav/coms, a DME...a flight bag, charts...haven't flown in 30 yrs...but it's interesting to see how little has changed..to old pass a medical now...alas, so no video...Captain Safety. Love the compliment..happy flying, but remember this please...All to many, experencied or not, spin it and too often with not enough alt to recover

[@angelcardesign]

Guys I tried to get in touch with you on Instagram but got no response. Any email? Phone maybe?