Beyerdynamic T5 3rd Generation Headphone Review - It's a little bit magical

[@brianisaac1804]

Really is great that he responds to comments. We had had a conversation on his Topping A90/D90 video. Convinced to me buy them, but waiting till Black Friday.

[@kirillzolotov5978]

After watching your review a few weeks ago, I got the T1's and T5's on Amazon to compare and leave one of them for myself (I also go the balanced APOS cable you recommended). First of all, let me say that until this point my references were Sennheiser HD600's. This sadly quickly changed. Let me say that I think you accurately described the difference between these two headphones. I would even add that the T1's, to me, sound more closed in, with a more compressed soundstage and less air than T5's (which shouldn't happen). They have a darker sound (classic Beyer), less resolution, flatter (more one dimensional) bass, and a cheap sounding peak in the treble that colors the highs and compresses them into a narrow frequency band. If anyone listens to these two headphones back to back (which I can do since my amp has balanced and single ended outputs live at the same time) and does A/B on the spot, there is no way the T1's would be picked over T5's. The limitations of the T1's are crystal clear here. Having said that, they are still better than the Senn 600's which I dearly loved for years. The T5's are (as you said) special headphones. I believe that their driver speed is the main reason that leads to their resolution, the ease with which they let go of sounds and their sheer slam. Overall, tonally to me they are as close to neutral from the lower mid's to highs. They are a bit too bass heavy for my taste and I decided to reduce the lowest octave by a few DB. But other than that, these headphones are truly special. I am listening to songs I know as well as anything and am hearing new details, not just in the highs (which is typical with new hyper resolution HiFi) but the details are creeping in in the mid's!, lower mid's! and bass!). The T5's at 850 on Amazon IMO are an absolute steal. Once you hear them, everything else will sound as if someone put cotton balls in your ears. Thank you for your review, and I hope my comments help someone out there in their choice of new reference headphones. (update - after putting a few hundred hours on them I have decided to take away EQ in the bass. Running them straight now and think they are basically on point across the full frequency range)

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for sharing such detailed impressions, Kirill!

[@garylambe1187]

HI, I just bought these headphones and I find them so far fantastic quality. I dont really understand your comments about the cables rubbing on clothing and to buy new balanced apos cables. Im new to audio so wondered if you could recommend which cables to replace them with that doesnt involve having to change the plugs. I run from a Topping MX5. Which cable should i replace them with so I can just plug the new ones straight in as per the included cable? Thanks

[@PassionforSound]

If you're not having any issues with the cables, there's no need to swap them, but if you do need to for the sake of a balanced connection type then there are lots of brands around that can probably help. Unfortunately, it's hard to recommend cable makers because there are so many out there and it might depend a bit on where you are too.

[@musicxxa6678]

Closed back Beyer with big soundstage ? That is a nice combination. That's why i'm still using DT 770. It's soundstage and imaging makes so much sense. People often confusing open sound with big soundstage that's not true. I've tried lots of open backs and they don't have impressive soundstage at all. They just sound open and more natural in the vocals. So i generally don't value the opinions of reviewers when it comes to soundstage but i think you nailed it with your reviews. Emu Teak review and comparison would be very nice. One of the rare respectable closed back out there.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for the tip! I need a few more good closed backs!

[@LencoTB]

@musicx xa You seem to love your 770. I am thinking about buying them but can’t seem to choose between many of the Beyers models. 880, 990, 1990.

[@BillyKueekSG]

Lachlan should have 200k subscribers by now, another excellent review.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Billy! It's a VERY slow climb as a new channel in a niche area 🙂

[@BillyKueekSG]

@@PassionforSound, my channel which discusses soft skills topics still only has 200 subscribers I think

[@PassionforSound]

Stick with it, the rate of growth picks up significantly after you hit 1000 subscribers and can monetize because then KZbin wants to put your videos in front of more people.

[@BillyKueekSG]

@@PassionforSound thanks for your advices. I don’t know video editing so when I do live-streams, I uploaded the whole thing up. I have given motivational speeches, soft skills training, NLP and Hypnotherapy certifications training to over 1 million people over the last 25 years.i have tenths of thousands in social media friends and followers but kept telling them to come to the channel to no avail.

[@PassionforSound]

Yes, it's a tough sell sometimes!

[@olje8824]

Thank you, great honest review.

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you liked it

[@mhortop1]

Great review! Do you know how the T5’s would compare to something like the Focal Stellia?

[@PassionforSound]

As far as I know, the Stellias are on another level, but I haven't tried them for myself yet

[@mhortop1]

@@PassionforSound Thank you! Yes I thought so, I guess the best thing would be to try them out in store sometime. 😊🎧

[@snowrang3r657]

Great review (as always) I bought the Beyerdynamic DT177x GO (Drop's version on the 1770 Pro) in March planning to use them in the office. They didn't sound too far from what you're describing here. Sadly I haven't been in the office in many months so I ended up selling them recently to fund other gear for home.

[@PassionforSound]

I hear you. I've got "commuting gear" staring at me saying "Sell me! Sell me!" because I never leave the house now for more than groceries or coffee

[@LencoTB]

What is Drop that is mentioned in many comments?

[@PassionforSound]

Drop is a site that provides a range of products across various categories including audiophile. They've done some collaboration products over time to connect the community needs / wants with the manufacturers like THX, Sennheiser, etc. There's a link to Drop in the description of most of my videos, especially the recent ones so you can go take a look if you like.

[@LencoTB]

@@PassionforSound Thx for the detailed explanation. You answer on all comments on your videos. That is really rare for a KZbinr. Respect ✊

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome 😁

[@Wyd4]

Fantastic review and so happy to see it looks like beyer have a win in the t5. There really aren’t a great deal of higher end good closed back cans. So it’s good to see another in the mix and the t5 sounds like something I might have to listen to at some point should I accumulate an abundance of money.

[@PassionforSound]

Haha. I hear you. I'm VERY tempted to buy a pair myself because I agree there's a lack of good closed back around.

[@mjjm6220]

I would agree with most of what you say. I do have the T5 and its soundstage is better than any other closed back I've ever heard.

[@PassionforSound]

It's pretty amazing for a closed back!

[@mjjm6220]

@@PassionforSound So as you mentioned to replace the stock cable, what brand of cable would you suggest?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi MJJM, I mostly use Aurealis Audio cables, but there are lots of great cable companies like Norne, Double Helix, Forza, etc.

[@juanedudr7166]

As I say before, thanks for this review. I just bought the T5 3rd Gen. I have always used closed headphones so the T5 is perfect for me, and thanks for your review of the Audeze LCD-X also buy one. I will explore how open headphones works to my ears. Thanks a lot

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Juan, you're welcome for the T5 review, but I can't take credit for the LCD-X review - that was someone else 😉 Hope you enjoy your journey of discovery with open headphones!

[@juanedudr7166]

@@PassionforSound Hi, I just notice that, sorry. Was the Joshua Valour’s Audeze review. By the way your review of the Topping D90/A90 stack Dac/Amp are make me thinking a lot about these. Right now I have the Fiio K5 Pro and want to upgrade my system

[@PassionforSound]

No problems! 🙂 The Topping 90 stack will be a significant upgrade from the FiiO - nice choice!

[@juanedudr7166]

@@PassionforSound Hi again, thanks a lot for your answer. Like I said before I’m looking for the Topping D90/A90 stack, it cost USD$1,399 and buy the Beyerdynamic XLR balanced cable for my T5s (USD$149) in order to use them on balanced mode. What do you think if I buy the RME ADI 2 DAC instead, it cost USD$1,149, and use it on singled ended? How do you compare this two DACs? It definitely better balanced output? I also watch your review of the RME and it’s a great product too. I really appreciate your opinion. Also know that the Topping can be more versatile because has separate components, and full of options, the RME can be more compact and German made. Thanks a lot again for all your content.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Juan, I would choose the A90/D90 stack over the ADI-2. The A90 is significantly better (both balanced and SE) than the ADI-2 internal amp. The DACs are probably comparable for PCM/DSD, but the D90 does MQA and sounds great when fed MQA.

[@kristoffer8740]

I own a pair and like them alot. That said I do not think the Beyerdynamic T5 G3 is worth 1000USD at all. They should retail for 600-700USD. They do not compete with the Focal Celestee, or the Aeon 2 Closed imo. Also the build quality and design does not scream 1000USD at all. The look less impressive then the DT1990 which is roughly half the price.

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't heard the Celestee and it's been ages since I tried the Aeon 2, but I think they're well priced. Not saying that I'm right and you're wrong as you're completely entitled to your opinion. The T5.3 has a sense of clarity and smoothness to the sound that's hard to find in my experience so it probably depends on what we all value most.

[@eyesintheskies]

Always used dt770 pro & they’re bombproof. At 80ohms my portable audio player’s volume is maxed out. So a luxury upgrade at 32ohms would give me that extra volume if I really want to blast it! Definitely appealing 🤔

[@AR-gk1kt]

I'm curious if you've heard the beyerdynamic DT1770? It seems these T5 are warmer and less aggressive than the DT1770 but are they worth double the price? I think the Tesla driven DT1990 punch above their weight and wonder if it's the case with the DT1770. I totally agree about the design on the T5.3, they would be so much more appealing without the printed pattern, I even wonder if it could be removed.

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't tried the DT1770 - sorry! I wouldn't recommend trying to remove the T5.3 pattern as I think it's etched into the actual metal

[@markhogquist2000]

Which is darker, the T5 or NightOwl? Is the treble softer and more reserved than even the NightOwl? Also, how do the mids compare? More forward on the NightOwl? Thanks for the review.

[@PassionforSound]

They're really different, but not necessarily darker/brighter. The NightOwl has the more forward or present mids because the T5 has a bigger bass bump and treble peak. The bass bump from the T5 probably makes it slightly more warm overall and therefore might be considered darker, but it's also got slightly peakier treble. That's where it gets hard to sum them up into just one or two terms

[@Mr2pint]

How do these compared with the T5 2nd gen?

[@PassionforSound]

I never tried the T5.2 so I can't say - sorry!

[@WorldView22]

Would you say that the reduction in resistance to 32Ω has not degraded the sound fidelity in terms of dynamics? Also, how would you compare these to Sony Z1R headphones?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi WorldView, I haven't heard the Z1R to comment, sorry. As for impedance, I don't get all the people that complain about the reduction in impedance as if it inherently degrades the sound quality. Unless you specifically want to use OTL amps or have a device with overly high output impedance then this really isn't a concern. I found the T5s pretty close to perfect in all areas (assuming you like the warm signature) and am trying to find the funds to buy a pair for myself. There's nothing lost with the reduced impedance.

[@WorldView22]

@@PassionforSound Thanks for your prompt replies. I've read testimonies of audiophiles in the past having compared certain Beyerdynamic models (DT1770, DT1990 I think) in the various impedances that they're sold and found differences consistent with the claim that - all else equal - "higher impedance, better fidelity".

[@PassionforSound]

Ah, that's generally true for the Beyers with different impedance options. In this case, they've designed the T5 specifically for the single impedance so I don't know that the same theory applies. I.e. they haven't adapted the "pro" 600 ohm version down to an easy-to-drive version like they might have with other models

[@WorldView22]

@@PassionforSound That's a good point. Let's hope so. I own a pair of T1.2 and - at 600Ω - they're not as easy to drive as low impedance headphones, and your review made me think of the potential benefits in swapping them with a pair of T5.3. Having said that, I have to mention that I'm very happy with T1.2 except perhaps for some lack of speed in certain kinds of music and a hint of occasional piercing highs; also, a lower well-controlled bass sounds (pun intended) very tempting! Furthermore, I'm being sceptic about losing T1.2's great stage.

[@PassionforSound]

I think the T5.3 will have a slightly reduced soundstage, but that's all going from my memory of the T1.1. The T5.3 have an amazing soundstage and great bass. The treble is definitely tamed, but it's likely a LOT tamer than the T1.2

[@MeteoraEra]

Would love to see a comparison with these and Fostex 900 (be careful, they're very much required to be driven with the right system, very picky)

[@PassionforSound]

The 900s are superseded now by the 910 aren't they? It's unlikely I'll review an older headphone and I recently sold my T5s.

[@adityavikramrajawat]

What cables do you recommend? Also, will a chord mojo make any difference for these or not really?

[@PassionforSound]

I really like Aurealis Audio cables from here in Australia. You'd need to email Geoff there (via the website) to ask about these as they're a new design I think. As for the DAC, these will benefit from any high quality source so a Mojo will be great.

[@onlyspace9813]

Hi! I have an important doubt. Much money on game. I want a good over ear for 3-4 years. The purpose is enjoy music. (edm, dance, pop 80s 90s, ambient, clasical....). So, which is the best over ear under 800-900€???

[@PassionforSound]

That's very hard to answer because it depends on your tastes. Do you need a closed back headphone or can it be open?

[@onlyspace9813]

@@PassionforSound Honestly, between an open Over ear and a closed one, I don't care. In theory the open one gives you more scenario but after trying several the difference is small or sometimes it doesn't exist. So honestly I don't care.

[@PassionforSound]

In that case, I'd probably look at something like the HiFiMan Ananda or an original Focal Clear if you can still find one for sale. I also really like the Beyerdynamic T5 (3rd generation) and Dan Clark Audio Aeon Noire which are both closed back headphones and very good. Sadly, there's no single best headphone so that's asuch as I can give you to get started. I've got reviews on all of those except the Aeon Noire (coming soon) so maybe watch the reviews and see what sounds like your kind of headphone.

[@jingzhiyang661]

Thanks alot for the review！I just received my new t5, it is really easy to drive, sound great from my iphone or sony discman. But I it just doesn’t out rank my t1 2nd gen when connect to RME adi2. I am wondering how it compares to Drop dt177x go, since the price doubled, not sure if the improvements worth the extra ton of money.

[@PassionforSound]

Being a closed back will always limit our slightly compared to the T1.2. Unfortunately I haven't heard the DT177X to comment - sorry.

[@LencoTB]

What is Drop that is mentioned in some comments ?

[@iampoot]

try removing the dampeners inside.

[@Bootrosgali]

Priced doubled whuut how they doubling price?

[@alanpergolari3798]

hey man, between this t5 and the amiron home, which is the best for you? is it worth to spend about 300 dollars more respect the amiron?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Alan, the Amiron home is nice, but not special. Unless you need an open headphone or you don't like a warm sound, I'd choose the T5.

[@autoexec5367]

I wonder how the T5 compares to the DT 1350. I really love its tuning but the lack of overall clarity is definitely one of its weaknesses. Is there any chance you've heard a beyer DT1350?

[@PassionforSound]

Not for a very long time, I'm afraid

[@jimis3167]

second gen sounds the same with third gen t5? .Also, how's the sound leakage?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Georgia, I haven't heard the 2nd gen so I'm not certain, but I believe it's a new tuning and quite different. I didn't specifically test sound leakage, but judging by the isolation it should be pretty good because they isolate very well.

[@AR-gk1kt]

Have you or anyone else here tried the T5p 2nd Gen in comparison? I'd like a set of higher end closed backs and Beyer have always done well by me (DT770, DT19990, Xelento). I'm just curious if I should go for a used set of 2nd Gen or pay extra for the current 3rd. It seems each Gen has had increased bass and warmth. I'm not convinced of the styling of either but more interested in the sound.

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't tried the Gen 2 - sorry

[@robertadam777]

@Passion for Sound Cheers, out of curiosity do you still own the T5.3? It's interesting that you liked it enough to pick one up.

[@PassionforSound]

I eventually sold the T5.3 for a DCA Aeon 2 Noire, but the T5.3 still has a place in my heart for sure

[@ekjellgren]

​​@@PassionforSounddid you do a review of them? Still your favourite closed backs? Found it.. 😊

[@NamNguyen-xt4yk]

Will the T5/T1 beat DT 1990 Pro? I have 1990 in the mail today, after watching this clip, i have second thought, maybe i just get the T1 or T5 instead.

[@PassionforSound]

The new T1 and T5 are very different headphones compared to the DT1990. I prefer the 1990 over the new T1. The T5 is a closer call, but it's a much warmer sounding headphone than the 1990

[@NamNguyen-xt4yk]

@@PassionforSound i have been binge listening to the 1990. So far, i like the bass and mid very much, just sometimes i get spike tremble in some tracks, that kinda bump out for me. I think i need to work on EQ for those cans which i have not.

[@PassionforSound]

Yeah, that treble spike is a killer sometimes! Hope you can find an EQ setting that works for you 🙂

[@hans803]

Which one do you prefer, Meze Liric or the T5?

[@PassionforSound]

I like the T5.3 better. The Liric are technically superior, but the T5 is the easier and more enjoyable listen IMO

[@Trippsy05]

Could you elaborate on what you dislike about the included cable? Do you mean the vibrations from the cable moving around are making their way back to the headphones? I can move and tap my DT770 cable around and hear it very clearly, but its never bothered me and I do not move around enough for it to be prevailing. Is it like that but worse on the T series cable or do you mean something else entirely?

[@PassionforSound]

From memory, the T5s have a fabric-wrapped cable and it was rough enough to create friction and noise when rubbing against clothing. It wasn't dreadful, but did create some noise and minor discomfort too. Very easy to swap out though if you want to and they're a lovely headphone that I miss a bit.

[@albertguev]

Your description also matches the ZMF Eikon, which I'm very interested in. If they sound similarly, then I'd say this is a better buy than the Eikon.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Albert, sounds like I need to try the Eikon because I loved the T5 and still miss it!

[@davidbjornstrom243]

What better cables can you recommend then?

[@PassionforSound]

There are lots of cable makers depending on your location in the world and your budget. I've got a review already out and another coming up of some Gladiator Cables (made in Europe and very affordable). There's also Aurealis Audio in Australia and then brands like Norne, Toxic Cables, Double Helix Cables, etc.

[@Bootrosgali]

I am tempted to buy a B Stock refurbed as it is an in house refurb by Beyerdynamic themselves. It is €750.. this is pitting it againt Audio-Technicas ATH WP-900 ..The feed back is fantastic from those but it remains an outlier and untested by any of the top 10 channels. And for a highly regarded, highly portable., hifi closed back option by a main brand, i find that really really strange.

[@PassionforSound]

I was trying to get some AudioTechinca headphones on the channel for a while, but with no luck. I don't think they're very active with their reviewer approach.

[@Bootrosgali]

@PassionforSound ah they don't send out demo kit?.. look up ATH-WP900. They fold and have small profile look fab as well as easy to drive, but not as well built,I don't test things so it's all this channel research. 😉. The reports you have of T5 correlate.. Seeing as you have tested Noires , how do you compare.. Noires more sparkly and closed in?

[@PassionforSound]

I chose the Noires over the T5.3 because they're a bit more tonally balanced, but they lack the soundstage size and space so it's a bit of a trade off.

[@Bootrosgali]

@PassionforSound ok thanks. I'd be a bit self conscious walking around with Noires on I think... Its actually very hard to find visual context in real world settings for headphones. For the Noire there is actually a promo of a lady outside with them on I think... But the Noires the Noires ,, Yes Yes..

[@timchapman924]

Thanks for the heads-up on the T5. Added to wish list 😂

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome. Hope you love them when you get them!

[@musicxxa6678]

Me too :) hoping price drop.

[@BelieveTheHype777]

Thanks for your fantastic review! I know these are vastly different price categories, but would you recommend the Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro or the T5 (or another one)? Looking for a pair of closed back headphones, thank you!

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you liked the review. I have a review of the DT 700 Pro X coming early next year. The T5 and 700 are very different so a lot will depend on your tastes and usage. The 700 is closer to neutral because its intended for music and media creators. It's still a bit warm, but not as coloured as the T5. What are you looking to use the headphones for and what's your preference in sound?

[@lewiseverson322]

@@PassionforSound hi, I am looking to use them for listening to music. I've recently sent a pair of dt700 pro x's back because I found them a bit too flat sounding. Would you say these are preferable for someone looking for a bit more warmth and bass?

[@PassionforSound]

I'd say these are a great choice if that's what you're looking for. I still really like my T5s.

[@BelieveTheHype777]

@@PassionforSound I am not looking for analytical headphones, but more for an enjoyable listening experience and some warmth. Sounds like the T5s are the ones to go for! Thanks for your help!

[@PassionforSound]

My pleasure. They're definitely an enjoyable listen IMO

[@percival5207]

Excellent and timely review 👍🏻 How does it compare to the HD820 and focal close backs ?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Percival, I can't say just yet having not heard either, but I'm on the hunt for some closed backs and will be seeking to try some in the coming months so stay tuned...

[@dan-qe1tb]

How can you be so sure that the cable is microphonic? Where were the tests under controlled conditions? I would hope that German Beyerdynamic engineers would know how to engineer a cable on a $1000 headphone, after all those years.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Dan, that's very simple - I wore the headphones for many hours and heard the sound of the cables rubbing together as it was transferred up the cable and into the headphones as vibrations. You'd think these things would be addressed by designers, but often the cables aren't great even on very high end headphones.

[@laurentcaron6784]

Got me interested now, great review!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Laurent. They're a very interesting headphone - not perfect, but very beguiling.

[@TheHope12322]

DT1770 pro and DT1990 pro are the current Beyerdynamic flagships...

[@PassionforSound]

Fair point. I think the 1770/1990 are focused on professional use whereas the T1/T5 have become more of a consumer/home headphone.

[@TheHope12322]

@@PassionforSound I talked to Beyerdynamic and they said to remove the black/red felt foam pad to reproduce the classic T1 sound. Can you confirm this or re-review? I know it's a lot to ask.

[@PassionforSound]

I would gladly, but I had those on loan so no longer with me - sorry!

[@iampoot]

@@TheHope12322 You can find a reviewer who did this on the t1.3 on Head-fi. I have done this for the T5, and prefer them removed on these as well.

[@faringoestafilino]

@@iampoot hi, can You show me link please? Reacently i bought t5 3gen

[@nikokomac3185]

Hello...i search more relax body sound with good soundstage with less treble without sibilance which will be better for smooth sound T5 or ZMF A tticus?

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't tried the Atticus so it's hard to say. I suspect both will have treble peaks (the T5.3 definitely does) so it comes down to where they sit in the frequency range and whether or not it bothers you at that frequency. Sorry I can't be more helpful!

[@nikokomac3185]

@@PassionforSound ok and if you compare T5 3gen with T1 3gen which of two have less treble and not have any kind of sibilance? Thanks

[@nikokomac3185]

But in general T5 not have sibilance problem? I try amiron home and is very good headphones but i return it only because i can t tolerate sibilance

[@PassionforSound]

The T1.3 had less treble from memory, but also lacked something overall. The treble fun the T5.3 never caused me any issues like the Amiron Home or older T1 (1st gen) did. This is where it gets tricky because we all have different treble sensitivities due to the different sizes and shapes of our ear canals. Have you considered something like a Dan Clark Audio Aeon Noire?

[@nikokomac3185]

A ok...because i have problem with amiron home with sibilance like sssssss or tttttttt iritate me...T5 and T1 3gen don t have this issue right?

[@manueljenkin95]

I think I'll skip on this. The race to ease of drive always comes at the cost of sq. I am of the opinion that a headphone should get out of the way and let me hear my amp, music and source chain (I know it's different from the general consensus, but I have reasons for this). Focal is the only company I've seen yet to be able to design something that's both high fidelity and easy to drive, and even it has easily noticable Achilles heels.

[@PassionforSound]

Fair points, Manuel. I don't know if the ease of drive is actually the issue because other headphones have done easy-to-drive well. I think the issue is that basically all driver types are flawed in one way or other. Even high impedance drivers have issues with large impedance swings where there's driver resonance, etc.

[@abrahanneyra1657]

Hello, how good do they isolate? I'm looking for an upgrade for my Oppo pm3 and msr7b, since I mostly listen outdoors and over ear, thanks

[@PassionforSound]

Hi abrahan, I didn't specifically test the isolation, but they did isolate quite well in general terms and the increased bass always helps because the background noise that gets past passive isolation is in the lower frequencies so they'll be a good option I think.

[@abrahanneyra1657]

@@PassionforSound I didn't know that fact about how bass helps pasive isolation, thankss , I sub

[@PassionforSound]

Hi abrahan, thanks for subbing. Just to make sure I've been clear, the bass doesn't increase isolation, but the ambient noise that makes it past passive isolation is in the form of lower frequency vibrations through the headphone and through your skull (bone conduction). The end result is that if the bass levels aren't high enough in the headphone, we'll feel the need to turn it up more to balance with the ambient noise and then we end up with too much treble and/or hearing loss

[@abrahanneyra1657]

@@PassionforSound now I got it, I'll have to think about it

[@carlosc3906]

How are these headphones in bass response compare to the LSA HP2 Ultra

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't heard the HP2 Ultra to comment - sorry

[@Jesse_Alex]

After using these, are they any better than Nuraphones

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Jesse, they're so different. I love the Nuraphones and would choose them every time for portable use because they cancel noise and are wireless, but the T5s can produce significantly better sound quality from a decent portable device or desktop setup.

[@Jesse_Alex]

@@PassionforSound Oh Hi there, okay so what matters to me the most is sound quality and if T5s can give that to me over Nuraphones, I'll grab those then.

[@PassionforSound]

Yep, they're comfortably better IMO. Slightly different sound signature, but overall clarity of tone is outstanding

[@Jesse_Alex]

@@PassionforSound Thank you for the detailed response

[@RX-rd4sc]

Are these still worth in 2024? In 800$? Better than denon d9200 in your opinion?

[@PassionforSound]

I would definitely choose them over the D9200.so I guess that's a yes 🙂

[@falsecatalyst3936]

Hi, if you still reply, what dac would you recommend for this pair, would an audio interface be enough?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi FC, you'll get much better performance from a dedicated DAC/amp setup. The audio interfaces are generally not great for headphone listening (beyond basic monitoring/editing). As for what to recommend, it depends on your budget. How much are you looking to spend?

[@falsecatalyst3936]

@@PassionforSound well i got a lot to blow right now so $1000 is okay to me, I’m planning to upgrade from my mdr1am2, which has been brilliant and only took 16 ohms to drive, but with super high end headphones like the t5 I might as well go balls to the wall when it comes to the source too

[@PassionforSound]

For $1000 or so I'd probably go for the Schiit Modius or Bifrost 2 (budget dependent) and then either the Schiit Jotunheim 2 (if you can arrange a balanced termination for the headphones) or probably the Burson Funk that I'm yet to try myself, but would comfortably by blind. The Burson Conductor is also a great option for an all-in-one solution that will sound brilliant.

[@falsecatalyst3936]

@@PassionforSound so i decided to get an amp too, so I’m gonna get the schiit valhalla and a bifrost for the dac, thanks for all the recommendations

[@PassionforSound]

You're welcome. Nice choices!

[@levinste2750]

can you mount oval earpads on this???

[@PassionforSound]

I don't think so, but I haven't tried

[@shaaf5453]

How would you compare them to sony z1r?

[@PassionforSound]

The T5.3 is a lovely, enjoyable headphone, but the Z1R is a tier above IMO. Z1Rs are the best closed back I've ever tried at this point.

[@TCESCorp]

What is the appropriate burn in time for this headphone?

[@PassionforSound]

I'm not sure what beyerdynamic recommend (if anything), but I'm not noticing any major differences with my new pair compared to the review pair which had a bit of mileage when I tried them.

[@TCESCorp]

@@PassionforSound thanks for your response

[@PassionforSound]

Anytime! 🙂

[@kjell-arneolsson8922]

Hi, you complained about the cable, an recommended buying another. I don’t like the cable either, but is there other cables out there? I could not find one, and when asking BD in Germany they only recommended rhe 3 m version of same cable.

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't looked into it yet, to be honest, even though I did buy a pair of T5s. It is a standard connector into the cup so it would just be a matter of finding someone who can make a cable with narrow enough connectors that they don't get blocked by the moulding around the sockets. I'd recommend looking at custom cable companies like Norne, Aurealis Audio, Corpse Cable, Hart Audio, etc.

[@yomofoindahouse]

Yeah, the T5 is good.

[@PassionforSound]

I definitely think so. Ended up buying my own pair about 2-3 weeks ago

[@KristianDowling]

Good to know cause it seems the new T1 has lost its mojo

[@PassionforSound]

Yeah, to me it has ☹️

[@PassionforSound]

Yeah, I hear you. I think this hobby tends to create a demand for 'new and improved' because of the 'flavour of the month' syndrome. Older gear is often thought to be worse, but the reality is that the technology in headphones hasn't changed much for a LONG time!

[@PassionforSound]

By trying too hard to make something different?

[@PassionforSound]

Sure are. Next announcement comes tomorrow, but we're not expecting much change...

[@PassionforSound]

No, best not go there, but you're not wrong...