Beyond the Noise #17: Does Everyone Need a Yearly Covid Booster?

In this episode of Beyond the Noise, Dr. Paul Offit discusses the CDC recommendation on 12 September 2023 of a booster dose of Covid-19 vaccine for everyone over 6 months of age.
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[@lohphat]

I just got the 2023-2024 vaccine because I’m the last functioning adult in my family, Covid killed my father, stepmother has long Covid, my sister had a mental breakdown. I’m the one taking care of my sister. I live and work in NYC with a lot of international travelers. Coworkers are out with the current variant and many of my friends are over 60 years of age and vulnerable. I have mild asthma yet physically active. I simply can’t afford to get ill. Two days of mild discomfort is nothing compared to the alternative.

[@7QHook]

did all those family members get all the injections?

[@lohphat]

@@7QHook No. they got Covid before vaccines were available. My sister's issues are not Covid related but lifelong. I’ve had all vaccines and have no side effects or have contracted Covid yet.

[@marioyakir5486]

​@@7QHook sure seems so.

[@7QHook]

@@user-ni6uj8dw6m fiction? do you have the same reaction to something like "The Testimonies Project" ?

[@lohphat]

The medical flat earthers have entered the comments. Cult members gonna cult.

[@chrischapman214]

Agree or disagree. Paul is consistent with his point of view on this. I appreciate this. He does seem to be standing up for his perspective. Thank you.

[@vanessawalker2656]

They never tested that crap on the people they are recommending to especially 6 month old.

[@youtubejasonyoutubejason6962]

That’s a looooong explanation. Some people just don’t take experimental procedures and some do not sign a release beforehand. It only takes that long to so 😀

[@billymacdonaldPEI]

It's quite amusing that Paul didn't bring up the financial incentive when suggesting the idea of the CDC's rationale on why to recommend to 6 months and older. It seems like such an evident point to consider.

[@aq9415]

"It seems like such an evident point to consider" - Only if your starting position is that the CDC is conspiring with the drug companies.

[@sallybrookner4158]

What is the financial incentive for the CDC?

[@wholesystems]

@@sallybrookner4158 you really don’t understand the smallest bit of financial connections between cdc and pharma?

[@deborahfreedman333]

There is none.

[@wholesystems]

@@deborahfreedman333 do you truly believe that “regulators” use unbiased science alone to make their policy decisions? Just yes or no…

[@douglasmiller373]

I would be interested to hear Dr Offit’s thoughts and educated guesses concerning why we are still seeing a high incidence of excess deaths in the US, the UK and European countries. COVID? Mrna vaccines? Delayed medical care? Or something else? Seems like a really important issue that most of the media is not discussing. If Dr Offit or other credible people hsve addressed it, would like to see it.

[@nwbw217]

Covid destroys organs and probably immune systems. That’s why!

[@robertaugustijn1157]

Apparently in Western Australia excess deaths arrived before covid did. Guess what also arrived before covid did. Jup it was the jab. So there is no question really.

[@deborahfreedman333]

Offit did address it, age, diabetes and obesity.

[@Mac-ku3xu]

@@deborahfreedman333 Yep. Anything except dangerous injections. Definitely not that! No sirreee!

[@vanessawalker2656]

I think I commented on this thread. Dam KZbin at it again with the dam censorship.

[@TroyKnapp]

I know you can't cover everything in a short video like this one, but some discussion of why antibodies are more relevant for older adults might have really wrapped up the T cell discussion. I feel like if I hadn't already known that older adults have a degraded capacity for creating T cells, switching from the discussion as to why T cells were so important to measuring antibody titers might have been a bit more confusing.

[@Sceince01]

I think your post will help quite a few who try to understand it

[@cbarronie2361]

Need more clarification on the 2nd most common group to be hospitalised is 6 months to 4 years. I think a more useful metric would be admitted to ICU, as young children who can't vocalise their symptoms & severity are often admitted as a precautionary measure.

[@Mac-ku3xu]

Note that Offit has stated he won’t be playing Russian roulette with one of these shots - but you should.

[@nicotoscani8270]

He’s vaccinated.

[@Mac-ku3xu]

@@nicotoscani8270 Yes and he’s realised what an enormous and dangerous mistake that was, and has opted out.

[@nicotoscani8270]

@@Mac-ku3xu Yeah that’s not what he said at all. You’re making up narratives. Typical.

[@Mac-ku3xu]

@@nicotoscani8270 Yeah, yeah. Well good luck with your next series of “Boosters” 😂. Me and Offit will be watching from the sidelines, crossing our fingers for you. But great respect for your bravery.

[@strphenz]

@@Mac-ku3xu You're the noise.

[@angelaquesnel7546]

I don’t think you can really compare the rates of long COVID after 1,2 and 3 doses because there is a temporal correlation to the number of infections/exposures as well. It seems to me subsequent infections are less likely to cause long COVID. It’s a bit misleading.

[@sampal5352]

I don’t think the data bears that out. I’ve read that Omicron seems less likely to cause LC than other variants though.

[@maryrowe506]

Always grateful for your take. For a long time, the US accounted for a much larger proportion of covid deaths worldwide than our population would indicate. I am curious to know your takes as to why that would be so, and could this influence the vaccine strategy.

[@GBS1043]

You will not hear anything from Offit.He is a MAJOR PHARMA SCHILL.

[@Mac-ku3xu]

Because every time anyone died of anything, they pressured hospitals to register it as a covid death, for financial and political reasons. You live in the Soviet Union.

[@JoseGomez-el3fl]

Thanks for keeping an open mind and asking questions. A lot believe anything authorities tell them.

[@Stand_and_Deliver]

Thank you so much.

[@TheSecdroid]

Very helpful information. Useful in making my personal decision re: this vaccine.

[@jasons4425]

The FDA has gone bonkers. Paul’s argument is spot on. Unreal this is even still going on.

[@onisillossekkides9005]

Excellent discussion. I share this assessment.

[@monikagajdek9632]

Thank you so much for this informative video! I wonder if there is any data about when should pregnant women het covid vaccine, should it be third trimester to protect the baby as well? Is it safe in first and second? Any risks, any possible premature births as in rsv vaccine? Additionally, it was discussed that 6mo-4yo kids are high risk and should get this vaccine if unvaccinated, what about if they have natural immunity? Should they still get vaccinated? Thank you so much for your time!

[@annh.8290]

Great show, thank you for these recommendations. Really, thank you for everything you are doing.

[@cherylkeithley7303]

Thank you for your expert opinion and all the facts you share with us on a regular basis. 😊👍

[@ThisTooShallPass2030]

I was told the latest booster has 6% uptake, is that true? First version was at 70%+, but 6% is over 90% drop in use

[@Jedi_Australia]

Paul is right to mention the uncertainty regarding longer term effects of the vaccine from myocardial damage or other unknown causes that may not be known for 5, 10 or 15 years. That does raise a question mark in my mind as to how to assess risk for babies and children in particular. If we are being honest with parents, CDC should also be cautioning of these unknowns. Perhaps risks are small, but then again so is risk of hospitalisation from Covid. Let parents decide with all information in front of them.

[@WillNewcomb]

But we DO know that myocarditis is both much more common AND much more serious amongst those unvaccinated & infected.

[@WillNewcomb]

@@Jedi_Australia You are badly misinformed. Myocarditis is 16x more serious amongst Covid-19 patients!!!

[@WillNewcomb]

newsroomDOTheartDOTorg/news/myocarditis-risk-significantly-higher-after-covid-19-infection-vs-after-a-covid-19-vaccine

[@Jedi_Australia]

@@WillNewcomb even the CDC quotes a statistic of only 5 X but we know that is way off because it includes MIS-C, which is acknowledged to be no longer an issue. It also significantly overestimated myocarditis from Covid because it used EHR diagnosed Covid only. But the main point is that the vaccinated still get Covid and these types of numbers completely ignore that. I’m going to stop here because the main point I was making was that all risks and uncertainties need to be clearly and accurately set out for parents.

[@marioyakir5486]

​@WillNewcomb it's much higher if vaccinated.

[@TheDeezy250]

Covid killed my 2 sons, their mom didnt want to vaccinate them. We have shared custody and the judge sided with her. I lost my sons to a preventable illness , I dont know what to do

[@tarolantern9729]

I’m so sorry. How old were your sons?

[@andrewgomez9571]

You don’t know what to do? What do you mean?

[@Sceince007]

So sorry about your loss. COVID took my father 1 month before vaccine arrived . Imagine how many more families it would have ruined even if it was delayed by one more month .

[@ThisTooShallPass2030]

I heard this prayer from May 2021: "The world has become more polarized. This is part of us moving up, this planet moving up into a higher frequency. It is causing humans to reveal who they really are, and to make a choice about who they really are. That is why so many have exited during this time. They no longer wish to be here, and have used the pandemic as an excuse to make their exit. Even though many have died, while not infected, they have still chosen to exit earlier than they would normally have. And so many of us have seen people unexpectedly die / crossover / leave us behind. That is their choice that their higher selves have made. Understand they are not gone; they have just transitioned. Have some comfort in this."

[@Captain12Davey]

Prove it liar

[@patriciahoke4722]

Thank you Vincent. If Dr Offit is going to use himself as an example, then I'm comfortable asking if he took Paxlovid (or anything else) for his virus infection in May 2022? Two, I still struggle to understand the difference between the updating of the two vaccines - flu and SARS2, and I don't think I'm totally alone on this. If I understood correctly, Offit is saying the difference is T cells. Is that it? And is he saying that T cells don't play a role in protection from the flu? Finally, Offit discusses possible "residual" effects of the vaccine 5-10 years down the road. Now, I was reassured, like many others, that effects to vaccines don't show up in that way. IOW, the effects, if any, are seen in the first 2 weeks. This is a bit different than what he has been saying up till now, if I'm not mistaken.

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

Influenza vaccine doesn't seem to provide long lasting t cell responses. Unfortunately. On the other hand, the t-cell epitopes of the covid spike protein seem to be preserved among the variants better, even while the variants evade antibodies. And its the t-cell responses that provide long term immunity to severe disease. Flu also has yearly strains.

[@joebuslife9275]

Sounds like Offit is starting to be worried about how these Vaccines don't end up going on 5 year placebo controlled trails (at least he worries for himself while pushing the vax for others still)

[@Sceince007]

Also there is a difference between flu and COVID Virus. For flu it’s a different STRAIN ( not just a variant ) . STRAIN vs variant may be a good thing to look at . STRAINS have much more mutations and are so different that even adaptions from at cell immunity is evaded . Variants are different bit not different enough where T cells fail completely . Hope it helps .

[@Logotic]

Dr. Offit has previously said that he didn't take Paxlovid when he was infected. When Dr. Racianello was infected, he was initially hesitant to take Paxlovid because he wanted to see what would happen, but was persuaded by Dr. Daniel Griffin to reconsider.

[@deborahfreedman333]

You might want to contrast the different ways the two viruses change their genetics. While coronaviruses mutate, a lot, influenza viruses both mutate and re-assort. That is because the influenza virus genome comes in seven or eight discrete subunits, that can mix and match during co-infection. That is why there are such different flu viruses each year.

[@geoffbirchall7552]

I have had seven injections and have had covid four times, when should I get my booster?

[@geoffbirchall7552]

Only kidding, I’m a pure blood and don’t do government propaganda! 😂

[@christopherrobinson7541]

@@geoffbirchall7552 In that case you should get the primary series and 1 booster.

[@symbologee]

Yesterday

[@symbologee]

@@geoffbirchall7552You funny

[@lokipokey]

On a much earlier interview, I heard Dr Offit give another reason, other than the normal known and unknown risks of the vaccine, as to why people should not get last year's bivalent vaccine. I wish he would explain that again. It was something to do with immune system exhaustion? Or over exposure? I do understand that the antibodies wear off after a couple of months, but that the memory cells continue to protect us. I wish I could hear Dr Offit explain this again.

[@Sceince01]

No he never said anything about immune system exhaustion . That’s a narrative being forwarded by antivaxers . It was exactly the same reason as now . 1 additional reason was that instead of Bivalent the single valent vaccine against newer variant at that time showed better result but was not employed .

[@christopherrobinson7541]

He was discussing imprinting.

[@lokipokey]

​@@Sceince01 I don't remember what his reason was, and I'm such an Offit fan that I don't remember when/where he said whatever it was on one of the zillion interviews I've heard. But it answered the question "what's the downside of getting another vaccine?" That's the question I really want answered. If you have any knowledge about that, I'd love to hear it, esp if you have links to references. I do understand the difference between the short-lived antibodies that last for only a couple of months after the vaccine, but give likely immunity, and the longer-term memory cells that protect us from serious disease and death for a long time. But what I haven't seen is, for how long? Are the memory cells there and ready to activate antibodies for a year? Two? Forever? Last year I was within a year of a covid booster, then caught Covid (lasted 24 hrs thanks to Paxlovid.) So I didn't think I needed the bivalent shot. But I went ahead and got the it anyway, even though I didn't need it for myself, because I was going to visit my 100 year old mother and severely immune-compromised great-niece. I wasn't worried about catching it for myself, but didn't want to give it to them, so got it 3 weeks before my trip. Now I'm planning a trip to a very densely populated conference, then to visit the same great-niece (dear mom died at age 101 last spring, of the same cause as Queen E. "Old age.") So again, I'm considering getting the new shot. Im 71, but no medical conditions that would heighten my risk other than my age. My question is, even though it's not necessary to protect me from serious disease and death, is there a downside to getting it? I could've sworn he mentioned a downside.

[@Sceince01]

@@lokipokey hi just saw it so I apologize for missing this . First the upsides of repeated vaccination for age 60 plus or for those with multiple co morbidities . Lower rate of hospitalization and death . 1: 65 plus should get it every year as the immune system is known to be not that robust in all ( in future we will be easily able to tell who needs based on genetics of T cells ) . We already know exactly what genetic differences make some do better and other do worse with COVID and in between . We are already that exact but those tests are not commercially available yet . 2: with shots up to 4 and 5 the likelihood of long COVID decreases Benefits For any age 3: two recent long term studies have suggested that those who take flu shots every year for 4 to 8 years lower their chance of dementia by 40% . Since flu was never clearly associated with dementia but COVID if every scientist is ready to put their money on even greater effect on dementia from COVID shots specially for those whose life styles gets them COVID yearly Harms Dr Offit mentioned possibly of myocarditis with repeated shot . The risk of myocarditis increases from shot 1 to 2 then subsequently decreases but it’s never zero . There is also very slight risk of autoimmune diseases - very low . Overall benefits hugely offset the risks

[@simplysarah0310]

I just trust my own immune system to work lol

[@paytonfarar834]

Increase death rates highly vaccinated states and counties

[@sundariann9161]

Thank you

[@connieadams607]

74 years young and never had covid or the shots!

[@westfield90]

I love Paul and Vincent. But my dad is one of those ‘rare’ people who got heart damage after his second booster (4th shot) last year. He was amazingly healthy and walked 3 miles a day. Nothing changed in his life except that 4th shot and now he can barely walk 1/2 a mile. He’s had more hospital stays in the last year than his entire life. His life and our lives have been completely destroyed. No more boosters in our family and absolute contempt for those who push these endless vaccines without acknowledging the real risk however small of heart damage which can be life changing for the victims and their families.

[@doctorrobert60]

I have to agree with you. I am 73 year old who started with atrial flutter at 70 years of age. Eventually asked why cardioversion was not done and after this in sinus rhythm for over 2 years now. I have had 3 total shots but do not to risk even subclinical cardiac inflammation that may trigger atrial flutter or atrial fibrillation that could follow another vaccine. Like your Dad used to do I walk 3 miles/day. The vaccine does not prevent getting COVID which I did get in January of this year and it took few months to get back to normal activity level. So sorry to hear about your Dad who went from active guy to being severely limited in his ability. Not only affects on physically but mentally as well. Like you said also effects the whole family. Wish your family the best.

[@Patrick_Ross]

“The vaccine does not prevent getting Covid”. No claims were ever made that it did. What it does do is greatly lessen one’s chances of being hospitalized and dying.

[@westfield90]

@@doctorrobert60 thank you Robert

[@CarlSciuk]

Phase 3 Pfizer trials had more deaths than placebos. Why is no one demanding better testing? It is well documented that younger people are over 10 times as likely to have a serious vaccine injury vs potential benefit

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

I'm sorry to hear that. And I agree on your family not taking any more boosters. No one said it was completely safe. Specific environmental conditions combined with genetic could theoretically repeat this for your family. Or it could've been a specific immune response of your fathers. But it's an extremely small circumstance and there's no chance that widespread. That being said, you should hope that vaccination is going around you to limit the spread. You are part of the unvaccinatable herd that require people around you to be more immune rather than less.

[@rouxbe3595]

So grateful for these shows with Dr. Offit❤️

[@marenhumblebee2736]

A lot of what you said in terms of "we need this data"- that data is out there! I seem to remember several bouts of research from Israel showing that the vaccines did not protect from severe disease any longer than 6 months in the vast majority of cases. So with all due respect... please address these studies next time you talk about this topic.

[@Sceince01]

No such studies . If so name em. They can not address imaginary studies

[@TomMitchellNiftyEgg]

Great show. I would like to hear thoughts in the context of vector groups. For the most part "Children are at low risk but not no risk"; is there an implication for community infection reservoirs. Antibody titre data. A random sample of pre-vaccine dose titre data is lacking. Large systems can both draw a couple vials of blood then give a jab in the arm. Evidence, evidence, evidence. Behind door #3 is long covid. Mortality is too easy to measure and long covid too hard to measure.

[@jeffmoodie6144]

Short answer, most definitely not. As much as I am anti mRNA, (the reasons are myriad but start with zero long term data yet), I’m not necessarily anti vaccine although the individual needs to make informed choices according to their risk profile. That is just no longer part of the medical paradigm as doctors, practitioners, politicians, regulatory bodies are all censored if they attempt to use or recommend classic medical measures. Had there been a properly informed choice and the data on C was actually accurate and not spun like it was there would have been no mandates as there would not have been the initial uptake that there was that allowed mandates to work. I understand that many did succumb to C due to many co-morbidities and a variety of personal risk factors but the recording of deaths was pushed to include any instance where C was as present and not an actual cause of death. Now the excess deaths being reported in highly vaccinated countries that are not due to C or other “normal” factors is highly suspect when the temporal correlation with some medical interference is taken into account. You want the shot, have mine.

[@charliepiston3169]

Well spoken. Most will remain in denial until their very ends. The paradigm shift required to accept reality would be just too much of a painful shock - especially for those injured as a result of their submission. Ignorance truly is bliss for a majority it seems. Terribly sad.

[@marthalewis173]

Why aren't they talking about these real issues affecting i would dare say almost every American either directly or indirectly and 100s millions around the world. Seems like that would fall under "public health". Maybe not...

[@Sceince007]

You are wrong on most of the stuff you posted and not just wrong you are actually horribly wrong . 1: no vaccine in history has produced long term effect that STARTED after 8 weeks - no such medical mechanism exists . 2: the death counts via OCR are severely undercounted - true works death toll is upwards of 22 million . Excess mortality studies - check A Karlinski exceptionally detailed study . 3: are you aware that vaccinated have mostly been spared excess non COVID mortality ? If not I can help with the education on that as well COVID vaccines have benefits way beyond just preventing death and hospitalization 1: blood clots 6 times more common among unvaccinated 2: myocarditis- 8 to 11 times more common among unvaccinated 3: myocardial infarction - multiple times more common among the unvaccinated even upto a year after unprotected COVID ( getting COVID while unvaccinated) 4: autoimmune diseases 3 times more common among unvaccinated 5: still births 2 to 3 times more common to unvaccinated mothers 6: early births ( with plethora of life long problems and issues ) 2 to 3 times more common among unvaccinated . 7: COVID vaccine prove. To be 30 to 90% protective against long COVID. 8: COVID vaccines have shown promising se in treatment of long COVID as well

[@Sceince007]

@@charliepiston3169sorry that you hate facts so vigorously.

[@charliepiston3169]

Rest In Peace@@Sceince007

[@AnthonyL0401]

5:00 Why a blanket CDC recommendation was a lost opportunity to educate the public about who is REALLY at risk

[@williamverhoef4349]

This is not a valid point. You can do both. You can recommend the vaccines for everyone AND educate the public about who are most at risk AND recommend they take additional precautions.

[@AnthonyL0401]

@@williamverhoef4349 people hear "everyone 6 months or older" and that's all they need to know. The detailed info is ignored when no need to learn it

[@johnsheehy4192]

What is the definition of "risk"? Is it the risk of having a SARS-2-specific health event, or the *EXTRA* risk that SARS-2 presents to a person, above and beyond background risk? It seems to me that Paul and Vincent and most experts and authorities are using the first meaning, which is not an honest proxy for actual, non-semantic risk. Risk from a specific cause is not necessarily extra risk and can be completely semantic. This is the elephant in the room that seems to be ignored by the "experts". If there was a sniper that hung around a town square and sniped people condemned to hanging just before the floor was to be dropped out underneath them, there would certainly be a risk of being a sniper casualty, but does the sniper increase risk of fatality? We can put diseases on a spectrum from 0 to 10, where 0 means no extra events (like the sniper), and 10 means totally random victims with no association with pre-existing health, age, gender, ethnicity, or any other individual characteristics. It sees to me that SARS-2 infections would be someone around 1 or 2, but most experts are talking about "Covid risk" as if it were actually around 8 or 9 or so, as you would have with something like ebola or smallpox. It seems that even experts who are softer and more nuanced than the CDC, like Paul and Vincent, are talking about "risk" that isn't very "extra". Only EXTRA risk should be considered in a risk/reward analysis of the shots; not the risk of a Covid event in isolation of background and context.

[@wundermax1993]

had covid pre-vax, no issue at all, then after 2x pfizer I had covid and now I am practically disabled. Sad to see we are still in the dark about the actual long term effects of both covid and vaccination or the interaction of the two. And we are not even talking about each individual risk factor and precondition such as genetic factors or previous illnesses or chronic illnesses. A global clinical trial is going on and nobody is addressing this fact. We just take studies from the ones that fit our narrative and ignore the actual logical implications and limitations of said studies.

[@williamverhoef4349]

Personal anecdotes are not evidence.

[@douglasmiller373]

@@williamverhoef4349. Perhaps not. But a lot of anecdotes along with some studies provides reason to question the current recommendation to vaccinate everyone 6 months or older. And to question why our health officials and the drug companies that will profit from it are pushing a plan at odds with much of the rest of the world. And, as noted before, the decision by Dr Offit to not get either the last bivalent shot or this new one arguably says more about whether to get this new shot than the rest of the conversation.

[@wundermax1993]

@@williamverhoef4349 thank you for stating the obvious.

[@vaushfan9200]

The good news is you have broad immunity due to catching Covid pre-vax. The bad news is you subsequently dosed yourself with spike proteins for no reason and those are what have let to the problems you’re having.

[@vaushfan9200]

@@douglasmiller373 Read the FDA submissions by Pfizer etc, they openly admit in the sections on infants and pregnancy that they have no actual data and are just guessing it’ll be safe. It’s right there in their official documents.

[@jackthompson6296]

If you think nuanced messaging is a good idea, you have never worked in retail.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

You do want to buy a bridge and what colour would Sir like and which finance package?

[@wholesystems]

Hedging his previous statements so he looks less wrong in retrospect.

[@Sceince007]

Exactly which statements ?

[@wholesystems]

@@Sceince007 the ones in which he strongly supports the new injections despite lack of evidence.

[@Sceince007]

@@wholesystems with new injection you mean Bivalent booster and new omicron booster or do you mean primary vaccination for COVID ( the first three shots as he still strongly supports first three shots as data is crystal clear for the most studied vaccines in history )

[@wholesystems]

@@Sceince007 all off the new injections. Terrible evidence for those below 50 and that’s why many nations with better health care systems than the US’d pulled them earlier for those groups and now ban new ones below 50-70 depending on nation. They have better science than we do / policy.

[@wholesystems]

@@Sceince007 “most studied” - quite a contrition on those with the shortest track records and shortest trial times. 😂

[@eduardohernandez5624]

wow great show!!

[@dmr6390]

Even Paul acknowledges that the CDC recommendations are bad at this point

[@TeamKrasno]

It was my understanding that the myocarditis and pericarditis was a much greater risk with an actual infection than with the vaccine. Not sure why Offit did not mention that.

[@BlakeSuperior_Beats]

100% agree

[@soccersprint]

Because thats not true. The actual truth is that the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis is much higher in people who allowed themselves to be injected with spike protein mrna.

[@BlakeSuperior_Beats]

@@soccersprint There is simply no data to support that claim.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@soccersprint "the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis is much higher in people who [vaccinated]" That is *false*, and you know it.

[@Sceince01]

@@soccersprintnot true at all . Myocarditis is 8 to 16 times more common among unvaccinated - multiple large comparative studies .

[@alizam.2953]

What do you say to those unvaccinated and have not had Covid?

[@Sharla1213]

He said it, get vaccinated. Two doses.

[@lw1zfog]

Hmmmm, but does Dr prOffit ‘have the right’ to refuse to take it ? oh, what a difference a day makes 😂

[@Sceince007]

Sorry that your ignorance knows no bounds . Any reason you like to embarrass yourself ?

[@vanessawalker2656]

I'm over 60 got commodities and obese won't let them put that poison in my arm or go near those hospitals.

[@ChrisKoch-gq9dt]

You are probably eating poison every day.

[@KiwiRocketScientist]

What if you have one of the autoimmune conditions that sit within long covids remit.

[@williamverhoef4349]

Please tell. Or is your purpose simply to scare-monger about vaccines.

[@KiwiRocketScientist]

@@williamverhoef4349 What happens when your cells make a foreign protein? I have heard research rheumatologists say that generally most autoimmune conditions are made worse by (most likely) the spike protein that was chosen as the mRNA inside the lipid nanoparticles. Of course the virus itself could gain access to many of those same organs. Still seems very experimental. Why is this under emergency authorisation when the pandemic is largely over?

[@charliepiston3169]

VAIDS

[@adyarym]

@@KiwiRocketScientist Because business is good and keep going.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@KiwiRocketScientist "I have heard research rheumatologists say that generally most autoimmune conditions are made worse by (most likely) the spike protein" You "have heard"? Sure, you have. "Still seems very experimental." Even for someone like you who seems to know very little, this is clearly just an unmitigated lie. A vaccine that has gone through Phase I, II, and III clinical trials and through nearly three years of Phase IV post marketing pharmacovigilance study cannot possibly be still regarded as experimental. You are simply confirming my suspicion that your purpose here is simply to scare-monger about vaccines. "Why is this under emergency authorisation when the pandemic is largely over?" The vaccines have been fully approved for over 18 months ago. Please stop scare mongering about vaccines by lying about them.

[@kathleenp3135]

Loving this segment with Paul. Great idea.

[@Invitational2]

Spoken like a true sheep.

[@goutfromfriedokra3936]

PAUL has a hidden agenda...NO TO VACCINES.. WATCH BRETT WEINSTEIN

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

@@Invitational2 - unlike following the anti-vaxxers.

[@vanessawalker2656]

@@AlbertMark-nb9zo 🐑

[@simplysarah0310]

@@AlbertMark-nb9zo Well I mean my 13 yo daughter has never had a vaccine in her entire life and she is healthier than any child she had come into contact with! 😄

[@marksturgess2040]

People still buying into this...wow

[@AnthonyL0401]

15:00 We will learn a lot this winter about covid's seasonality. 15:55 Which groups need to be focused on the most among the high risk? The messaging should be to those groups.

[@miquelfaig880]

Is the access to Paxlovid a medical consideration to bust or not?

[@tedwards000]

Paxlovid works according to Dr. Griffin. I keep some available just in case.

[@HappyHappy-ue8lt]

The header shld be ' Does anyone need to cut- short their life span?.Nowaday, CDC is not pushing hard for vaccination

[@gottagowork]

I just had Covid for the first time, and due vaccine + one booster it was a "3 day mild run with fever" with other symptoms lasting about a week. Even with elevated risk factors. However my taste buds are not back yet (day 10), and now I realize my taste buds were my best buddies... While it should be up to the people themselves now that that health care isn't overwhelmed anymore, lingering/Long Covid is probably worth considering.

[@user-hw6vr6uz5p]

No you didnt. You had a positive test that doesnt say anything.

[@AndiS-dz4pq]

I’m glad sarscov2 was mild for you. My husband and I are not vaccinated. We got covid twice (once confirmed) and had very mild illness, we’re in our 60s. My husbands’s uncle is an 89 yrs old with type 2 diabetes, not vaccinated and got it twice with even fewer symptoms. The rest of the family members are all vaccinated and everyone reacts differently to the virus. It seems all over the spectrum, vaccinated or not.

[@hotblack1166]

@@AndiS-dz4pq Glad you, your husband and his uncle only got a mild dose although that's quite a small list of unvaccinated family members. I don't know any family members who aren't vaccinated but they are spread over Spain and the UK so not quite as much antivax stuff there than in the US. None of them have had anything more than a bad cold when they caught covid, including my 81 year old diabetic mother. She caught it in hospital when she was having a leg removed and has recently caught it again. Her health isn't good and it's quite possible this latest infection could take her and if she does pass, that doesn't mean the vaccines don't work or that it contributed to her passing. She's old and frail and old people die all the time but your implication that 'vaccinated or not' has little effect on their outcome seems very wide of the mark. You keep rolling the dice if you want, it's you right to do so but I'll stick with the science which proves overwhelmingly that the odds are in your favour if you are vaccinated when you catch it.

[@deborahfreedman333]

Not your taste buds, but olfactory sense that was affected, due to white matter damage. You can still taste salty, bitter, and sweet, as those tastes are sensed by taste buds. People on chemo often have a similar loss of 'taste', for the same reason. What you really loss was your sense of smell.

[@gottagowork]

​@@deborahfreedman333 "You can still taste salty, bitter, and sweet" Absolutely not. Spray pure citrus in mouth - nothing. Chocolate and sweets - nothing. Coffee had a very weak taste, but still also way off from what I'd expect. Extremely spicy pizza - nothing, was like eating cardboard that still made me sweat. So very weird sensation. That said, 14 days after the worst fever day, tastes are coming back, improving day by day now, so yay to that. Still a bit lethargic and need a lot of rest, and eye focus (lens shape?) is still affected. The sick af period with high fever only lasted 2-3 days.

[@biancamatter2299]

Hello Dr. Offit, shall a mother of a newborn baby, she is three times vaccinated over a year ago, two times Covid 19 infection over a year ago, take the new vaccine to protect her baby, while she is nursing? thank you very much!

[@crowesarethebest]

I always look forward to Paul's expertise and appreciate his efforts. I think he misspoke when he said 'pregnant people' instead of pregnant 'women/females'!

[@calluna5030]

Women are people.

[@crowesarethebest]

So are men but men can't get pregnant. Not sure what your point is@@calluna5030

[@Sharla1213]

He has to be politically correct.

[@lizcoleman5229]

Thank you gentlemen for another very informative podcast!

[@donnellylv]

Great segment with Paul. I was wondering about this new booster and this information helped me make a better informed decision. Love all of these segments with Paul. Thank you Dr. Racaniello!

[@wandahughesgreene2069]

It's not a booster...the CDC says it's a NEW vaccine. Targeted towards the new variant, Please do your research on what you're about to put in your body😑

[@user-hw6vr6uz5p]

Lol u were wondering? Lmao, you still WONDERING? PLZ TAKE BOOSTERS REGULARLY THANKS.

[@Invitational2]

Did you blindly follow Paul to the alter of jabba 1,2,&3?

[@Mac-ku3xu]

@@user-hw6vr6uz5p That’s definitely the writing of a heavily boosted TV viewer.

[@Dr.DP-PhD]

As usual a well considered, clear and concise overview. Over simplistic messages create equally simple ways to find ‘issues’ with the message!

[@anthonygargano1861]

Totally Agree with Paul here - I don’t recommend boosters in healthy people under 65 who are vaccinated but tell people who are healthy that want the vaccine anyways that the risk is low and so is the benefit but if they are men under 40 I recommend the Pfizer vaccine over Moderna. By not being straight with the American people the ACIP risks decreasing trust in the health care system. Thank you Vincent and Paul

[@elinannestad5320]

it's not exactly 'not being straight', it sounds like it's being as simple as possible. It might in fact be a way of chasing trust which is disappearing for no good reasons.

[@williamverhoef4349]

"By not being straight with the American people the ACIP risks decreasing trust in the health care system" That is an exaggerated concern. Far more concerning is the role of the anti-vaccine industry. It is part of their strategy to convince people not to get vaccinated. It is also part of their strategy to blame the CDC for the mistrust they themselves have deliberately set out to cause.

[@alfrede.newman1838]

So over 65 'boosters' are advisable and Moderna seems like a better option? That about it?

[@davidpnewton]

@@williamverhoef4349 no it is NOT "an exaggerated concern". American public health authorities have repeatedly lied and exaggerated over this issue. The single biggest resource that public health authorities have is trust. By people like Fauci lying over these issues that trust has been frittered away for political reasons. Fauci lied about masking. Fauci lied about funding gain of function research in China. Others have lied by claiming it is proven that the vaccines prevent transmission. It is legitimate and correct to compare Fauci to Wakefield for the amount of damage that he has done to vaccination campaigns in the world. Both are liars and fraudsters. Both have promoted fake information as fact. Both have seriously eroded trust in public health authorities. Both have been disgraces to their professions. Both have blood on their hands as their lies have directly led to people dying.

[@johnsheehy4192]

​@@williamverhoef4349 The CDC is driving people away from them with their purpose-driven dishonesty. When Walensky looked with melancholy eyes into the camera and declared "this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated" in late 2021, she was tossing around statistics that were completely distorted going from source to purpose. Her data, from an MMWR report, counted all the people who passed or were hospitalized during the virulent Alpha wave after Dec 14, 2020 and until people had two weeks pass after their second shot after waiting their turn, as "unvaccinated"! That is as dishonest as it would have been if they counted events from the spring of 2020 as "unvaccinated" and used the data to prove efficacy or relative risk; the only difference is that on December 14, 2020, a very tiny number of people already had a chance to be vaccinated, so gullible people believe that anyone could have been vaccinated then. Sure, any *individual* could have theoretically completed their full course plus 14 days by December 14, 2020 if they were individually set up to do so, but the whole rollout to the entire population took a long time, and the CDC counted events *pre-vaccination* as "unvaccinated", which makes it a total FRAUD when using such data to represent relative risk ratios, in a semantic bait-and-switch. The Alpha wave peaked during a period where almost NO ONE was yet fully "vaccinated", but much of it after Dec 14, 2020. Anyone with half a brain reading that report should have noticed that non-Covid hospitalization and mortality was also higher by approximately the same ratio in the "unvaccinated" by their definition (which includes pre-vaccinated), which should make any honest person who has a any grasp on statistics suspect a powerful confounder or confounders, or a big error/fraud in calculation, and a possibility that the intervention was not what was giving the relative numbers. Imagine if someone claimed that most of the people who passed away in Palestine between 4BC and 40AD were non-Christian, and then tried to make a claim that it was dangerous during that time period not to be Christian. They'd be laughed at. But when you have a mass formation psychosis going on, people become willfully blind to obvious nonsense.

[@calleywang6203]

Those countries that have recommended limited vaccinations have healthier populations, along with national health care systems.

[@calluna5030]

The UK has the NHS, but is very underfunded. Cost / benefit analysis becomes very important in their decision making, with the cost part often being the main driver, so some procedures that are necessary for the wellbeing and health of some are not being done (or left until too late for good recovery) if there are other greater priorities for the money to be spent on. What is desirable and what can be afforded are two different things.

[@somatotrophin1535]

Which countries have limited vaccinations? How do you know they have healthier populations?😅

[@judithcorstjens2650]

Surely when you are discussing the benefits of vaccination you also have to discuss the risks. Currently in Australia and the UK we have excess death rates running at about 15% above expected. Until this is explained we need to follow a precautionary principle. BTW, these excess deaths are highest in the oldest age groups - just th profile Dr Offit is suggesting should be preferentially vaxxed.

[@Sceince007]

Yup you might find it reassuring that the vaccinated are spared the non COVID excess mortality . If all vaccinated we would have much lower incidence of that

[@7QHook]

@@Sceince007 everyone knows that isn't true, dude

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

@@7QHook - CNN even had a story where the Republican heavy districts had higher mortality rates. 1.8 times case and mortality rates.

[@7QHook]

@@AlbertMark-nb9zo well, you may be a pharma bot and deserve to be attacked, but I'll just give the info: first, combining case and mortality rates into a single stat is so disinformative that you should throw it out immediately. Now. that study concluded that the republican excess death rate was 5.4 percentage points higher than the democrat death rate, which doesn't look like much and is well below 80% or 1.8 times as in your comment, but then they add the comparative difference in excess rates as a percentage and they get 76%, close to 80%, which likely CNN morphed from comparative percentage to absolute difference to get that 80% higher death rate, or 1.8. Very different stats, very different story. But you were mislead - how many others were?. But also, it might be a slanted study, given the ghoulish framing they started with (Repubs vs Dems - who is dying more). Why would they feed an already bloody political divide in that way, except out of malice ? But if Harvey Risch had done that study, I'd believe it. As it is, he's been condemned as an anti-v*xxer (great John Berman CNN interview of Hirsch from August 2020 that yet again shows how slanted CNN is - really worth watching). If this bit is cryptic to you then you I believe you have missed one extremely important story line in this c19 pandemic, and need to be better informed - to help you know to stop getting any more injections (As Offit did, 2 years ago)

[@7QHook]

Title of that interview, from 3 years ago: CNN host John Berman VS Yale’s Dr. Harvey Risch worth watching.

[@norfolkngood8960]

Well i didnt get the last booster and just had the worst illness of my life, no xough but the pain was incredible despite being on butrans patches already and yes it was Covid

[@7QHook]

how many injections have you had?

[@lw1zfog]

yeah well, ‘A.D.E.’ is a thing 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@jeffreystone8503]

If boosters give us neutralizing antibodies, even if just for six months, and thus can help limit the replication and spread of the pathogen, then it seems there is some advantage. Maybe further mRNA vaccines aren't the answer and we should be investing more in nasal or other mucosal immunity vaccines. Hopefully those will be shown to have less risk of myocarditis and any other potential side-effects.

[@sallybrookner4158]

I wish could get explanation of why Dr. Offit uses 75 and older as at risk, when every other recommendation I see uses 65 and older.

[@theirmom4723]

bc the majority of people at the age of 65 go on medicare

[@juanfgaston]

He is 72 years old...

[@JoseGomez-el3fl]

"We'll see how it plays out." Is all we've been able to do in the 21st century. At least that's what it feels like. 'What makes the most money?' Has always been our motto, whether in healthcare or military industry.

[@themazdamanpoweredbymazmar2985]

Paul is brilliant and I think honest. I wish to get some clarification; is he saying infants and small children have high risk of hospitalization and death from this illness?

[@johnsheehy4192]

More honest than average, but consciously or not, people like him often fill "gatekeeper" roles or roles like the "good cop" in a good cop vs bad cop scenario. IOW, he is presenting the idea that there may be a time for an individual to stop taking the shots, without presenting the possibility that no known demographic needs to take them at all. From what I see in the raw data of place, time, and age throughout this pandemic, the "intervention" has not helped any major demographic at all, statistically. Sure, in a world of 7 billion plus, you will have individuals who benefit even from a mostly-dangerous intervention, retrospectively, but the problem is, you don't know who those people are and they don't know who they are. The total sum of experience, however, in the hardest real-world data, is that both Covid mortality and excess all-cause mortality INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY following rollout. The Delta wave, the first challenge for the intervention after the rollout, was bad in places where infection rates were low before rollout (like Florida), and mild or non-existent in places with lots of infection before rollout (like NYC).

[@christopherrobinson7541]

I have heard the case for vaccinating children put another way. The IFR of those under 2 years is greater than that of their parents and grandparents. Also of those dying < 18 years the majority are < 2. This also came from Dr Paul Offit a few months ago.

[@callmemaybe367]

“let’s see what happens ” = “real world data “

[@Captain12Davey]

I get a Covid vaccine every six months and helps with my TDS as well

[@onedominant]

After 3 Pfizers and 1 Moderna, I just had covid for the first time in August 2023. I should now have hybrid immunity. Glad my immune system was prepared ahead of time. I'm guessing, since I was just infected in August, I should not need the new booster. (Can't seem to find the recommendation for that one.) But, I do need to get a flu shot, I'm sure.

[@frankdasilva5649]

You were not supposed to get Covid after all those jabs!

[@karenkaren3189]

@@frankdasilva5649 To reiterate yet again, again, again. The vaccines help to greatly reduce one’s chance of getting severely ill or dying. Sorry we have to keep reminding you but there it is.

[@karenkaren3189]

@@user-ni6uj8dw6m Aren’t you special!

[@Patrick_Ross]

@@frankdasilva5649- are you really that stupid, Frank? Or just out trolling this morning?

[@charliepiston3169]

The WEF thanks you for your self-sacrifice.

[@jannabailey6800]

A nurse or PT treating my dad had a baby boy who died f

[@morkelj]

Exactly! The benefits are not clear. Not in the least.

[@tedwards000]

I am 76 years old and a little overweight so I will get the vaccination, although I considered not getting it since I have had all the boosters. I think we can understand nuanced information and should be given as much information as possible.

[@CKWong-jk5st]

I am just a couple years your junior. I am glad that you like and understand nuanced information and discussion. Unforntuately, many people, even younger than our age, do not. In fact, age alone does not make one more or less able to or inclined to understand nuanced information. As a retired doctor, I could tell you that a lot of patients and even doctors do not like or want to listen to nuanced information and discussion. E.g. one time a surgeon asked me a medical question and I tried to give him a answer with different data, studies, interpretations...etc. the if, and, or, but, and he got annoyed, "just tell me yes or no." I said, "well, that is not so black and white" and he said, "why not! just tell me yes or no. You don't know?" That is why I am in the camp that public health policies need to be simple and as straight forward as possible. The nuances would better be handled betweent the doctor and patient, and hopefully both would be people who are rational and are inclined to and understands nuances.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

@@CKWong-jk5st "Surgeons just read the titles of the papers."

[@CKWong-jk5st]

@@christopherrobinson7541 Although most of them are not medical thinkers, some of them are and are quiter good to brilliant, but certainly only a small minority among surgeons. In fact, a friend of mine is an acclaimed surgeon who is also a very good medical thinker, better medical thinker than many medical doctors. Again, I am speaking as a retired doctor. BTW, sadly, a lot of procedure-dominated medical specialists have become, behave, and think like surgeons, e.g. interventioanl cardiologists, and gastroenterologists. To make matter worse for the public, when the media want some medical opinions they typically call on surgeons. The public think the nut Dr. Oz knows medicine. To make matter even worse for the public, the media would invite famous medical quacks to ask questions on medical matters. I remember one time a main stream TV morning show invited Steven Forrest Hotze, a conservative talk radio host, conspiracy theorist, "natural medicine" physician (and someone who is considered a quack by all respectable endocrinologists), to talk about treatment of thyroid disorders. The whole endocrinology and thyroidology communities in the country were up in arms, and endocrinology professional societies sent letters to the TV media company to complain.

[@joanneclark8256]

I do have to share this. Many people are insulin resistant and don't even know they have a type of diabetes. Most people are pre diabetics. What about that like? For instance p c o s is considered a diabetic problem

[@SugaryCoyote]

People have a record of what you pushed for and when you pushed for it. This record will never go away. Have a nice one.

[@Doug97803]

"A targeted recommendation ... was not offered as an option ... was never discussed" - and no further elaboration on why this mightt be the case.

[@Sceince01]

@@Doug97803targeted is for booster , primary vaccination is recommended for every body .

[@Sceince01]

Yup and people who care about facts and the truth would bow down to science as COVID vaccines ( all types ) throughout the world saved 20 million lives in 2021 alone . I have a feeling you don’t like facts 😝

[@georgeharrison6022]

Good comments

[@user-ez7dn9mg9u]

Lol 😂 no thanks il pass.....

[@mark080358]

Love Dr. Offit!!

[@nailbomb3]

Paul: "should everyone get a yearly flu vaccine, I'm not sure because NUANCE?" Oooooof.

[@heathers4449]

👏❤

[@RWM56]

I had Covid twice first time when I found out my daughter call the Doctor Who don’t believe in the shot gave me Fluvoxamine I took them for three days started feeling better and stopped taking them. Second time with no pills was like a cold for three days and it was over. I think my immune system works very well and a little prayer won’t hurt 😊. O stay healthy

[@Sceince007]

Good you got lucky , over 22 million did not and many more millions have adverse effects that will remain . Why leave matters to prayer when God gave us solution and we are too in thankful to receive ?

[@landofevolution9757]

​@@Sceince007um nobody dies of imaginary things...

[@Sceince007]

@@landofevolution9757 lol what imaginary things ? I hope you are not talking about climate vid because if you are I M going to ask you about your last mental health examination and when did you stop your antipsychotics?

[@drtoup]

It would be really nice if Dr. Offit could describe how he would tell his son and daughter in law what the benefit to risk ratio is of vaccinating his 7 month old grandchild. If he doesn't know the numerator/denominator are then I think we have our answer.

[@Sceince007]

Over 1000 children died of COVID in USA alone . Hospitalized over 45k of which 10k were in ICU . An additional 9 K children had MIS- C . Vaccines are also protective against long COVID . Since myocarditis is 8 to 26 times more common among unvaccinated even though vaccines cause some myocarditis but essentially on a larger scale they prevent myocarditis since every body gets COVID . Brain damage demonstrable on MRI before and after COVID infection ( even mild ) UK bio bank study . I have not even listed all the reasons to vaccinate children bit I think for any sensible parent these should be enough - remember not for booster bit for primary vaccination .

[@karenkaren3189]

You are making it too complicated. He said he would recommend his granddaughter getting vaccinated. Period.

[@drtoup]

Sure, too complicated to ask a sophisticated question. Nuance. @@karenkaren3189

[@vaushfan9200]

Read the FDA submissions by Pfizer etc for yourself and check the sections on infants and pregnant women. They openly declare right there in black & white that they are just guessing about the safety in both cases and openly admit they have no actual data.

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

His grandchild wouldn't have ever had exposure. Priming the adaptive immune system with the vaccine is the SAFEST WAY to develop immunity. Risk benefit is both obvious and uncontroversial.

[@Invitational2]

Paul 6:42 Offit won’t take the booster. He’ll only recommend your baby and everyone else take it.

[@claytoncashion6105]

He recommends the immune naive to get vaccinated so that they have some adaptive immune response when they are inevitably infected and will therefore be less likely to experience severe consequences. There is a clear benefit to be argued for vaccinating the immune naive that is not present for booster shots in most people with any adaptive immune response from vaccination, infection, or both.

[@wandahughesgreene2069]

Yep! Why would he subject his 7month old grand child to a vaccine that has been proven to have so many adverse effects. I just don't get it🤔

[@wandahughesgreene2069]

​@@claytoncashion6105 I'm sorry injecting something in my body to INTRUCT my cells to actually make antigens instead of prompting them too... is very scary. You are opening pandora's box😑

[@razerginn]

Hes already vaccinated and had covid, your babies not! Vaccines have saved 100' s of Millions of people. Wake up!

[@karenkaren3189]

He has an intelligent and nuanced approach.

[@guygrotke8059]

It's comforting to hear every idea I have about SARS-COV2 vaccination reiterated by both of you. 100% agreement, and these points are all consistent with my on-line posts. This fixation on antibodies reminds of the guy who was searching for his dropped car keys under the street light, When his friend asked where he dropped them, he said: "Down the block, but the light is so much better here." I do disagree with one point though. I think the real unsung hero is the innate immune system, because all those folks who were asymptomatic or had mild cases before the vaccines came out owe that to their innate immune system. Their virus was all deactivated before their adaptive immune system came into play. In April 2020, I had a moderate case (SpO2 92 and no oxygen or CPAP) and I had almost no B-cells from an immunosuppressive drug I was taking. I may have had some cross-immune T-cells from the other corona viruses, but I certainly had no SARS-COV2 antibodies.

[@WillNewcomb]

And those who have inherited some Neanderthal genes are at a much higher risk apparently. Also if you have blood type A.

[@johnsheehy4192]

Sounds like you've been paying more attention to details and precedents than to the hysteria-on-demand of the pandemic. If you look closely at the data of all-cause mortality in the elderly by US state over time, and at cumulative Covid fatalities, you will find that it is all explained by natural immunity, leaving nothing to be explained by the intervention. States that had the most Covid in the first and Alpha waves had the least during Delta, and states that had the least Covid during the first and Alpha waves had the most during Delta, with ZERO signal coming from rollout itself. Globally, C fataility rates increased 49% after rollout for the next year, compared to what they were before the rollout. Where, oh where, is the intervention signal in the hardest forms of data, which are actually counted, as opposed to modeled, as the relative risk ratios are?

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

@@WillNewcomb - Those were early studies. There was a recent study that a variant Neanderthal gene lowered risk. It's pretty speculative. As for the blood type. I think that completely fell apart.

[@captainLoknar]

living in a fantasy world surely is conforting

[@johnsheehy4192]

Why do people even think there is a significant risk from Covid at this point in time? It is infinitesimal now, when thought of properly, as EXTRA risk. No pharmaceutical intervention is worth even small risks if the *extra* risks of the disease are infinitesimal. The intervention is only even *alleged* to prevent Covid hospitalization and death, not hospitalization or death. The kind of people who wind up in the ICU or morgue with severe Covid are people who were statistically heading there soon, anyway, with or without Covid. Even if the intervention was efficacious (I see no evidence that it is), what would it do in the immediate future? The person saved by it would stop producing interferons soon after, and become susceptible to other pathogens again. They can even get RSV *while* infected with Covid, because the interferons from a Covid infection do not prevent RSV (although they do the flu, which is one reason flu was so absent while SARS-2 was rampant). The biggest lie of this pandemic, IMO, is the idea that risk from Covid is all excess risk that a person would not have if Covid did not exist. That risk is quite tiny compared to the risk of having Covid on your hospital chart or your death certificate. Why is no one talking about this except me? It seems that even most people who take a heterodox perspective critical of health authorities use language that supports this lie, unwittingly. Covid risk is NOT necessarily *EXTRA* risk! You can not do an informed consent on risk/reward for the intervention if you assume that all risk of Covid is ACTUAL, EXTRA risk, as it would be with other pathogenic diseases, like smallpox or polio. Why is the world so freaking dense? As long as people are thinking in terms of risk of severe disease with a specific pathogen, rather than the extra risk that it creates beyond background risk, they can not possibly do an informed consent, even if all of the data numbers they use are correct for their demographic. Covid risk is completely irrelevant; EXTRA risk due to Covid is all that matters. IMO, that extra risk at this point in time, even for an obese, type-2-diabetic with 190/135 blood pressure, is probably infinitesimal. No need to take intervention risks, whatsoever, no matter how small you think they may be. Remember, these aren't smallpox or polio vaccines; they impart no sterilizing immunity, so they can not prevent potential outbreaks in the future, as other vaccines might. The world would be a better, safer place, IMO, if these Covid immunizations were terminated completely, for everyone, but the pro-vaxx, auto-vaxx ideologues have too much power for an honest assessment of their worth in the US, and play a shell game that confuses people into thinking that they are analogous to measles or smallpox shots in potential function.

[@dansmith3507]

If you are liberal, please go get your booster. Darwin awards all around.

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

CNN - story had Repub areas had a higher death rate due to lower vaccination rates.

[@charliepiston3169]

CNN, or Cable News Network, was founded by American media mogul Ted Turner. Ted Turner, a well-known businessman and philanthropist, has been vocal about his concerns regarding overpopulation and its impact on the planet. Here are a few quotes attributed to Ted Turner on this topic: "We're too many people; that's why we have global warming. We have global warming because too many people are using too much stuff." "If we're going to be here [on Earth] for a long time, there's no question that we're going to have to leave our mark, or we're going to have to figure out how to live someplace else, but in the meantime, we're here, and we need to pay attention to our environment and the number of people." "I think the biggest problem in the world is that we've got 7 billion people and probably over 5 billion of them have aspirations that are unrealistic. A hundred years from now, we'll probably only have 2 billion people, and they'll all have plenty to eat." "I know that many of my colleagues believe that 500 million should be the target for which to maintain the human population. But I think it should be more like 250 million." These quotes reflect Ted Turner's concerns about the challenges posed by overpopulation and his views on the need for sustainable living and environmental stewardship.@@AlbertMark-nb9zo

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

@@charliepiston3169 - Man, whataboutism at it's worst. In that case, don't take a vaccine, don't get any medical intervention and just take that Darwin award.

[@davejoseph5615]

We have constant fear-mongering anti-vaccine claims being circulated, to the point where it is difficult to tell who is being overly alarmist, but can you at least definitively tell us whether or not rare vaccine side effects such as myocarditis and pericarditis, are even MORE likely to be caused by an actual case of the Covid virus?

[@rayfisher6869]

I am so glad the vax has finally been tested to remove all doubts about the excess mortality. Should we not be getting

[@Sceince007]

Yes the excess non COVID mortality , vaccinated the least effected cohort .

[@christopherrobinson7541]

@@Sceince007 There have been several studies that show an increase in the risk of dying from other conditions after infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and that this elevated risk persists for at least 18 months, the length of the trial. As the vast majority of those dying do not have COVID-19 when they die, they are not recorded as COVID-19 deaths, but are scored as non-COVID-19 related excess deaths. The missing excess deaths are not missing, they are just misattributed. The risk of such indirect death needs to be factored into the risk/benefit analysis when making the decision to vaccinate or not to vaccinate.

[@erlindastanton1914]

I suffer from ringing in my ear following injection of MODERNA BIVALENT booster on 16 Sept 2022. I am from UK. It is an engine running continuously in my right ear. I have seen hearing specialists, 6:01 unfortunately no cure for it. I am becoming deaf. I do not recommend use of this booster.

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

I got peripheral neuropathy from taking the antibiotic cipro. I can't feel parts of my right leg. It's unfortunate, but I don't blame any part of the medical system for the outcome. You cant tell what the outcome of any treatment can be, but doing nothing can be worse than actually doing something.

[@nvcn86]

what the heck is Paul about. is he off his rocker??

[@juliesharp5077]

Can any government tell us why people, even young people, are suddenly dying?

[@GranthamAtHome]

Exactly! Excess deaths in all age groups reported by the UK government (Office for National Statistics) over the three year period to March this year is not being discussed. And this picture is across the developed world.

[@sampal5352]

I think because of why we are all here…Covid? I know people want to point to the vaccine….that’s a bit of unknown bc to date the benefits of even 1 shot so far outweigh the risks of an infection. I know not everyone can be vaxed safely or wants to be, that’s just the data. But- an infection can raise anyone’s risk for heart attack, stroke, AI, dementia….that data is solid and people are just not making the association bc every one is more interested in arguing about vaccine/mandates, masking, how they are pure blood and it’s just like the flu. They are just beginning to get some research in on repeat infections, but to date I’m understanding that each time you have any even these minor infections, you are rolling the dice on these factors being elevated for a year or more infection. Lots of people are very willing to profit off of blaming the vaccine/ people can get made at big pharma, gov etc, but it’s much harder to vent emotions on a virus you can’t even see, that you can’t even talk about anymore. That’s the real silencing to me.

[@calluna5030]

Part of being human. This has always been the case. But in the past many people died much, much younger than they do now, as life expectancy was much lower.

[@schwarzblatt]

Not a new phenomenon. Predates any and all vaccines. There are a multitude of reasons and you don’t need a government to tell you.

[@TheFirstManticore]

Of course everyone needs the yearly CoViD booster until the next miracle disease comes along. But I do not belong to the set called "everyone."

[@charliepiston3169]

You just can't fix stupid. RIP.

[@cherrieinman5917]

So who’s getting the vaccine? Curious

[@Patrick_Ross]

I did, as well as everyone I know.

[@Mac-ku3xu]

Condolences. But there's always time to wake up.@@Patrick_Ross

[@Patrick_Ross]

@@Mac-ku3xu - wide awake and staying healthy at 74. Also got the RSV vaccine plus my annual flu shot last month. Follow the science.

[@Mac-ku3xu]

@@Patrick_RossWell done. Keep following the $cience. Bigpharma loves you.

[@loristuber1870]

From my perspective, the best comment is "I would rather [my grandchild] have adaptive immunity induced by vaccine before that exposure." Let us consider the risk groups and recommend action on that basis. Evidence, to date, supports the presence of T-cell immunity to prevent severe illness/death for those immunized with the primary series and added immunity due to infection.

[@rebeccaslater1398]

2 years vaccine injured and my daughter too

[@lumberdog198]

"We have been wrong three times in the last 20 years" OMG that is quite a bold statement. @9:03

[@CKWong-jk5st]

Why is that "bold"? That is how science and knowledge works. As we gain more studies, more data, more information, and more knowledge, we find that some of our previous knowledge, understanding, or interpretation are wrong and we make corrections and make progress. That is how science, including medical science, advances.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

The Influenza virus mutates in two ways,by point mutation, which is evolutionary and reassortment which is revolutionary. Monitoring what happens in the other hemisphere gives us heads-up the what the strain maybe in the next Flu season. With reassortment there is no advance warning and it is a matter of luck how effective the vaccine will be. Which is why other approaches are being researched, that can afford better protecting very year.

[@lw1zfog]

Dr Faux Chi was also wrong about ‘Pandemrix’, but was all over the TV & visibly keen to shift units at the time. GSK don’t really like to talk about it any more. Just imagine if they’d ‘mandated’ that one, there’d be beds being installed everywhere on the streets instead of the defibrillators.

[@Sceince007]

@@lw1zfog actually a success story for post monitoring . 30 million people got the vaccine and 1300 developed Narcolepsy.

[@hal511bm]

It will be interesting to observe how long it will take to CURE THE STUPDITY OF DELIBERATE HARM !

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

Of lying how dangerous vaccines are? Tell that to the guy who didn't get vaccinated and is now partially paralyzed. Tell that to the people who didn't get vaccinated and developed cervical cancer. Tell that to the people who didn't get all the various vaccines they should've and developed the diseases they fought. Or the people who caught it and passed those pathogens and diseases. If they lived.

[@hal511bm]

Tell it to millions of dead vaccinated people who were previously young and healthy.@@AlbertMark-nb9zo

[@hal511bm]

@@AlbertMark-nb9zo Have you noticed that less than half the population was vaccinated for polio and now thanks to medical science they have stopped that lie too ?

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

@@hal511bm - So the guy who wasn't vaccinated didn't get paralyzed from polio? And other than vaccination, what was the "medical science" that is protecting the unvaccinated. A prayer hoping you don't encounter the virus? That you don't get paralyzed? As for "less than half", according to the WHO "In 2022, 84% of infants around the world received 3 doses of polio vaccine. In 2022, the coverage of infants receiving their first dose of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) in countries that are still using oral polio vaccine (OPV) is estimated at 84% as well. " Canada has an average 92%.

[@emmajones8590]

You don't know whether you need it or not, until it's too late.

[@MonsieurDrobot]

Nobody should be forced to take the poison. Anyone pushing it needs to be held accountable and face long prison time.

[@roncarlin3209]

Asking a Spanish speaker whether they have the new variant is causing some consternation. Apparently "Tienes una pirola?" has an unexpected meaning.

[@williamverhoef4349]

Especially if the person you ask is female.

[@guygrotke8059]

There are several words like that. Always ask "Hay huevos?" or Hay leche?" in Spanish. Literally "Are there eggs/milk"? Tienes is personal and informal, and you are asking a man if he has testicles, or a woman if she is lactating! Likely to get you punched in the nose.

[@alfrede.newman1838]

So it sounds like, in common street talk, if you have had all your Covid shots (that's 5) so far with this latest now making it 6 and you've actually had covid at least once and if you are a senior in healthy condition (not obese, not compromised, ..) THEN the 6th shot will not hurt but it's effect on keeping you out of the ICU is minimal. So no foul no harm. Is that about it?

[@Patrick_Ross]

@@user-ni6uj8dw6m - getting Covid multiple times is not smart as each additional reinfection substantially increases the chances of complications. Getting additional boosters has almost no risk.

[@lw1zfog]

sounds like you might as well just keep on deferring to perceived authority Alf.

[@BlakeSuperior_Beats]

For me, it’s a very simple decision. As they mention, a “booster” reduces your risk of being infected for ~3 months, so if I am less likely to be infected then I am also less likely to get long COVID. I don’t see any downside, especially right now while we are in a surge. If numbers were still on the decline then I wouldn’t bother, but that is clearly not the case. Now through the holiday season is the ideal time, IMHO.

[@BlakeSuperior_Beats]

@@Mike-ko9pz sure, but is there a bigger downside than long COVID? Not in my opinion.

[@wandahughesgreene2069]

It's not a BOOSTER. It's a new vaccine according to The CDC.. please do your research on this 😑

[@charliepiston3169]

VAIDS@@BlakeSuperior_Beats

[@rayanton4549]

Depending on age and sex, myocarditis is a risk not to be overlooked.@@BlakeSuperior_Beats

[@rayanton4549]

have you already been vaccinate and boosted? have you already been infected and recovered? IMHO, you don't need another injection of mRNA vaccine.

[@household6098]

Pity he doesn't go into detail of the serious adverse reaction numbers vs actual fatality rate of covid. But hey... guess not when you're paid not to.

[@johnsheehy4192]

Even the fatality rate of C itself is irrelevant. What is relevant is EXTRA fatality due to C. Any adverse reaction risk to the intervention is totally extra. Any risk from the virus may be all or mostly relabeled background risk of being comorbid in the first place. It boggles my mind that almost no one in positions of authority are discussing this important distinction. It's as if we have allowed authorities to make us think with tunnel-vision.

[@household6098]

​@@johnsheehy4192They are pretty much all captured by big corporations - including the media. Throw cheap politicians a few pennies and they would put their parents up for medical experiments. Tell scientists they'll get funding and they'll deny covid came from a lab (exactly as happened)

[@CONTACTLIGHTTOMMY]

When will Vincent get a real expert to debate virology and immunology? Vincent never invites experts like Russell Brand or Joe Rogan. What are you afraid of... Vincent?

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

Experts like Russell Brand or Joe Rogan? You're kidding, right?