Beyond the Summit Shuts Down And If Esports Can Survive | MoistCr1tikal

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[@MagmaF]

Man, I remember the first Dota 2 tournaments that Beyond the Summit held back in like 2014, they were so good... The legendary EternalEnvy bathtub interview

[@Nicole_whatsgood]

Man so many good memories from my childhood watching bts dota tournaments. The summit house tourneys were the greatest thing to happen to esports

[@flowersnaught9380]

Hundreds of hours spent watching their tourneys and the side content they had between games

[@Tobythecatrocks]

I thought BTS was that Korean boy band

[@merciless972]

Nah, that's nsync/s

[@Weed69420]

weed

[@jackattackhero5571]

Nah thats metallica

[@theunluckycharm9637]

​@@jackattackhero5571 I thought Metallica was a popular American song

[@ratkingbeeboop]

@@theunluckycharm9637 nah Metallica is that clothing brand

[@theunchartedwolf9480]

The Smash community just can't catch a break, depressing to hear about.

[@sam_fromMD]

its not even just smash tho. its like esports in general, crumbling onto itself. its like the esports ice age. alot of things falling but a few that are rising (like ludwig and charlie are gonna be pretty succesful atleast)

[@coryyoung7544]

@@sam_fromMD I mean you got capcom with their $2 mil tournament and guaranteed $25k evo prizes. There's actually an upswing so far this year.

[@EbonMaster]

@@sam_fromMD I think its more that every org that was expecting some sort of profit from esports is imploding as it becomes clear that thats never gonna be the case. Others who dont expect a return on investment and are just interested in building that community (like Capcom and I'd assume Riot and Valve) are looking okay though.

[@PipMan1101]

Good

[@SRFAA]

@@coryyoung7544 The $2mil prize pool isn't going to continue. We've consistently been getting less than that for the CPT so $2mil all of a sudden is most likely just going to be for the launch year of SF6, and then significantly decrease next year. It's essentially just another way to promote their title and get more eyes on the CPT (so marketing). EVO is the only thing that we can expect to continue since that's a low bar.

[@TH-li7lj]

Apparently the average player in the LCS (league of legends competition) makes over $400k a year (according to top google search, I didn’t look that hard.) For a sport that doesn’t make any money that’s insane. Even supporting 2 players with that pay could cripple an organization if there is no profit. You can really tell companies threw money into this sport with no real thought about how they could make any in return. I feel like a lot more shutdowns are going to be coming soon.

[@noahm3915]

Honestly depressing when your eSports community is hated by the company that made it's game

[@Parpeing]

It is the community but its also rhe thought of competition and change that nintendo seems to despise Its so weird and distrurbing the zeal they put into destroying every fan made stuff that comes about

[@neverknowsbest.]

If the smash competitive scene actually played the game the way Nintendo wanted them to I promise they'd actually support it that's the sad thing.

[@Parpeing]

@@neverknowsbest. fitting name

[@noahm3915]

@@neverknowsbest. Nintendo is notorious for making a lot of their older games damn near impossible to access and then shuts down the biggest melee tournament because they used an emulator to play while owning a physical copy despite the game being over 2 decades old and the pain in the ass it would be to get multiple copies, consoles in good condition and recording equipment. Even though all this tournament will do is bring positive attention to Nintendo

[@neverknowsbest.]

@@noahm3915 yup. if big tournaments played with items and all that other causal shit Nintendo would def support it smh idk why they hate their fans so much

[@BLAPGames]

The RL beyond the summit event was so amazing.

[@Tecknee]

“Black eyed peas, ‘my humps’ ripped off by pooping unicorns toy”

[@bryanarellano5302]

That sucks that BTS is shutting down. I really liked that one song called dynamite. They really had something going for them…

[@maxrona137]

"BTS SHUTS DOWN" had so many kpop stans clicking

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

So even with sponsorship cash, eSports can't survive.

[@crimsonpirate9]

If esports had better marketing sadly all the ball sports are funded by gambling and I don't know if that will work with esports since most people who watch or play are under 18

[@sick0h]

Sad - I hadnt heard of them until the drama because I dont really follow Smash, but they stretched out in to TFT recently and it was an awesome production was hoping to see more TFT events from them :(

[@stokkejanraggio9091]

Rip to an era.

[@blackday1013]

I started my time as a Dota fan off those early Summit streams. Dang shame

[@armonster95]

Good thing Ludwig took the yard crew.

[@canadian_american84]

If a team wins prize money, does it go to the compagnie or the players as a bonus?

[@canadian_american84]

Oh, he answered my question...nvm

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

Typically there's a split because it gives an incentive for players to perform better while giving the org some money when they do win. Though with Moist Esports they don't take any winnings.

[@StevenSenile]

Can't believe this is the end for the successful K-pop band BTS 😪

[@waynemorgan6153]

Unless you're in the upper echelon of performers in the most popular games then I would assume making this a full time gig as opposed to a hobby or side hustle is a complete fantasy.

[@STOKEDOS]

Pretty much how it's always been

[@bananonymouslastname5693]

E-sports in the US are primarily supported by investors who see places like South Korea where it has caught on at a huge level, and are looking to be the ones to benefit where it caches on in the rest of the world. They want to own the next NFL, NBA, or MLB. I'm sure there will be a time that it catches on, and likely in the near future, but it hasn't been a natural culture shift yet that has recgnition in average households. Honestly, there's a streaming (and especially video game streaming) bubble that is getting ready to burst alongside the other economic woes. As inflation continues, less money will be spent on entertainment. Streamers will be paid less and subscriptions will go down. There is no galvanized community in the gaming space to serve as a strong foundation for a new entertainment sector like e-sports. There will have to be some growing pains that unify a customer base to want enough of the same thing for it to be successful.

[@allinefeyn9224]

Can't speak for other e-sports but at least League in NA is full of average players that are vastly overpaid because of some accomplishments 10 years ago. Its no surprise that nobody wants to watch that crap. The sc2 NA weekly tournaments are consistently won by Korean or European players despite the ping disadvantage.Their solution to throwing money at the problem not working is throwing even more money at it and then be surprised it fails.

[@XavierTheRed]

I feel like the money that circulates for esports is way too insane for it to fail. I'm truly shocked that all this is happening.

[@jjwang7597]

It *was* way too insane, back before every crypto company took a massive nosedive Also too big to fail, where have I heard that before lol

[@kevino13]

Most Esports really don’t make THAT much money, outside of the game dev sponsoring prizes, or snagging huge (usually crypto) sponsors. Fighting games, and also Smash, historically have not had great prize support, and survived largely on the passion of the players to keep things going

[@bwfextreme]

Sports like baseball might be super boring, but at least there’s variability in the form of the most complex physics engine that all tangible sports share.

[@connorupton4200]

You need a Todd Boehly type guy in order to run the best esports team- someone ok with pissing away tons of money.

[@drakegears]

Luckly Charlie and Ludwig are prepared to do exactly that 🤣🤌

[@neverknowsbest.]

RIP bts. Summit. And mainstage

[@Lazo4200]

Man they threw some of the best CS tourneys

[@JojoE1ns]

I was so happy seeing BTS shut down but then i was disappointed

[@greenguin1]

What does the esports industry need to do to recover from this?

[@crimsonpirate9]

Not rely on crypto

[@jornavyr2459]

Stop spending so much. But in reality, there probably is no surviving. Can't really reverse course at this point, to try and offer players less money.

[@fort809]

Vertical integration, like what Charlie and lud are doing with moist esports. they lose money on the esports team but by streaming tournaments and making content about their team they can potentially profit long-term

[@MidProductionz]

Why not create a separate moist mogul channel with all team content? it'll at least be another means of income.

[@NoFaceTsu]

What about rust? Rush pushed a lot of streamers, as soon as they got there and nothing had to be done in return except stream a weak or something like that which streamers were doing anyways so

[@ryanreis8814]

Why can’t they make money? Can someone explain

[@georgehernandez2156]

Everything costs more and not enough sponsorshop money. Plus esports isnt popular.

[@r2dk594]

Probably a lack of sponsers. No company wants to spend money on an event. That may or may not get shut down by Nintendo. Eventually they run smaller events with less viewership and smaller sponsorship deals. thus bringing a downwards spiral of money loss.

[@phelan8385]

Not enough people watch and it's hard to monetize.

[@YightLagami]

@@r2dk594 sounds like money was already a major problem for them. They cancelled their big event because it wouldn’t get sponsored by Nintendo until next year

[@nater420]

The return on the sponsorship is dogshit compared to spending that money on running ads or even sponsoring KZbinrs/streamers. There's always going to be companies that run events though. Vans ran Warped Tour for 20 years despite it being a money drain. I just can't imagine them running as many as they had been the last couple years.

[@nesmario123]

technicals is enjoying himself right now

[@ActionPanther]

I actually have thought of a way for esport teams to make extra consistent money. How would I contact some of the owners of these teams to get this info to them?

[@frisky_dart7273]

Cap

[@ActionPanther]

@@frisky_dart7273 I mean generating revenue in their industry actually has NUMEROUS avenues that just havnt been tapped into. Like you could make money as a CC (not an average player obvi) on every game and match you play outside of the ones with your team.

[@ActionPanther]

@@frisky_dart7273 I might not have the TOOLS they need but I’m sure I have the answers that would lead them to the proper tools.

[@fort809]

Charlie reads emails

[@jumpiestaman100]

Honestly, Esports is dead. It started as a kind of niche area in the mid to late 2000s, with MLG. A sudden boom later on caused corporate companies to start, and many others to quickly get in on the perceived gold rush. And then, when everyone realized it’s Ana crisp waste of money because you don’t even turn a real profit, everyone pulls out. It’s a shame because Esports was really coming on the scene, but video games will never amount to the level of actual physical sports.

[@00nasco48]

NOOO I THOUGHT THEY MENT BTS BROKE UP I WAS GONNA BE SO HYPE

[@syalem]

JIMIN DID WHAT?!

[@ryanmckimm1945]

When Charlie lists things it sounds like ai

[@accessdenied3474]

No idea who they were, crazy!

[@mamashroomz]

Not gonna lie I only clicked cuz I thought you meant bts the K-pop band so I had to make sure for my girlfriend they was okay😂

[@Mclucasrv]

I hope they get a SF6 player

[@laryonyt]

Dota 2 NA scene is pretty weak. It would be great if Moist esports injected some life into it.

[@HSTLMLWL]

Nah clash of clans esports is where it's at lol

[@TARS..]

Jungkook!!

[@darkmephilez]

I don't see Esports surviving past 2023

[@uh869]

Good. It ruined casual gaming. Every game wanted to have their own fortnite World Cup and focused more on making the game about esports than the casual players

[@MKHops111]

That’s incredibly stupid. As long as gaming exist esports will always be a thing. At the moment it’s not profitable but in the future it very much could be

[@loopybirb5813]

@@uh869 horrible take, i get people may want to play causal, but you shouldn't get rid of esports as a whole. People like to play competitively and watch those games, maybe not everyone but there was a market for it, i say was because sadly this could be where esports dies

[@bobhanson1037]

​@@uh869 yes cod was ruined by pro scene not the content creators. Overwatch was ruined by pros and not by stale content and horrible community. I can go on. The whole point it's not esports it's competition. We are competing in life, in games, in content creation if you're trying, etc. That brings out the worst in people hence the toxic fan bases where you get called slurs for just playing a game.

[@BLAPGames]

​@@uh869 for games like Rocket League, it only makes sense and doesn't take away from the game whatsoever. Pretty meh take from someone who just isn't a fan of any esport.

[@_Rite]

:0

[@jllemin4]

I really hope esports die out completely so that everyone involved in them would get real beneficial jobs to their society and community.

[@CAS89]

Wtf is BTS?

[@Generic-usernam3]

Read the title dummy

[@giant9211]

Beyond the summit

[@sacevo]

72nd like

[@Anonymous25491]

Smash is dead and with the Steve Ban no point in playing.

[@idontknow5468]

Down goes The Smash community 🔥🔥🔥💯

[@dorian4191]

Tf are those emojis

[@idontknow5468]

@@dorian4191 emojis from youtube

[@silverlight2677]

this is perfect! the riot fighting game will pop off even more!