Avengers Doomsday - Chris Evans as Evil Captain America?! - Full Breakdown

[@VidtopiaEntertainment]

All of these MCU actors like RDJ and Chris Evans returning to the MCU after only a couple years is literally like that SpongeBob episode where Mr Krabs tells him to take a vacation SpongeBob does and then goes back to work right away, that’s the MCU actors right now.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

With RDJ though, it's like he got a breakthrough at that fancy ship-in-a-bottle restaurant but then chooses to remain at the Krusty Krabs. Well, kinda.

[@harrisd1983]

Well, Chris Evans didn't have much of a career before or after the MCU. RDJ got his Oscar and missed the 10s of millions for a single movie.

[@piusdoe8984]

Do you think referencing memes incorrectly makes you sound clever. Work right away? You mean after the movie that came out in April 2019?

[@m.s.6586]

@harrisd1983 You're joking right? Evans have been doing really well since he has been done with the MCU - different projects all completely different from one another in character. he shot three amazing movies this year due to come out next year with some incredible directors and cast. even his "flops" were a good watch and got good reviews from the public.

[@candelsjr]

The problem with New Avengers vs Evil Avengers is that we haven't anyAvengers movie with a new line up. What made Endgame work is we got to see the Avengers in a bunch of team movies so they earned Endgame.

[@piusdoe8984]

Did marvel annoucne they are doing new avengers vs evil avengers?

[@candelsjr]

@@piusdoe8984 No they did not announce that. Grace mentioned it as a possible plot, but I think it would feel a bit forced if they did that. We haven’t had an Avengers movie with the new lineup yet, so it might not feel earned.

[@Igivegdparent]

@@candelsjr true thats probably why no one likes the new line up because we havent seen them in action

[@mabusestestament]

@@Igivegdparent Is there even a new line up? I mean they’ve introduced new character after new character after new character, but what is the actual new (core) line up?

[@Igivegdparent]

@@mabusestestament not named but people assume they will try to mirror the og avengers as much as they can We only know of the new captain America and shang chi

[@jacobkirk1846]

We should have had two Avengers movies before Doomsday to get to know the new Avengers team first. Secret Invasion should have been our introduction to the new team.

[@AnthonyMcNeil]

They haven't built up any new team yet, which sucks. The D+ shows should have been that but truthfully D+ hurt more than it helped. If Shang Chi is not a part of the team then MCU dropped the ball. That movie was so good that it sucks that it's not a sequel to it yet.

[@piusdoe8984]

Why "should we" have had that. That's on option not the only way

[@adamsbriee6330]

And then add a siege of Asgard movie or dark avengers movie for phase 5. Make these doomsday and secret wars phase 6

[@sandal_thong8631]

I think they didn't have faith in the new characters or we would have seen an Avengers 3 movie with the members shown at the end of Avengers 2: Captain America, Black Widow, Wanda, Vision, Falcon, and War Machine. Or _Quantumania_ could have been a West Coast Avengers movie featuring Ant-Man, Wasp, Shang-Chi, Wong, She-Hulk and maybe Ghost since the end-credit scene of Shang-Chi seemed to lead to the Quantum Realm. It would have been interesting to see Kang defeat the original Avengers in that movie. They seem to forget the rule: "Show, don't tell." I agree that _Secret Invasion_ should have been an Avengers-level event. But wouldn't some of these characters get killed and replaced by the Skrulls?

[@celdur4635]

Secret Invasion should've been a massive Avengers whole phase and series of movies really.

[@HopePrevails4Life]

The raw stench of desperation!

[@DominicRuiz23]

they should be desperate. all the new charcters are BAD

[@lars7282]

Desperation is Disneys second name since the 2000s

[@vinhluu3950]

See you on opening night

[@Tuntira]

​@@DominicRuiz23Shang Chi?

[@sandal_thong8631]

@@DominicRuiz23 I don't think the secondary characters after the first _Avengers_ movie were bad. Doctor Strange bargained with Thanos so that Tony wouldn't be Snapped, but I think they could have done _Endgame_ with him being the only original one still alive (with Falcon, Ant-Man, Wasp, Black Panther, Wanda and maybe even She-Hulk introduced then). But Kevin Feige figured having the original Avengers go back in time was more powerful, and it worked well as the characters we know best had their issues to resolve like Hawkeye and Cap with Tony, and special reveals with Hulk and Thor and the deaths of characters we loved. There is some desperation to returning to original Avengers actors since they are responsible for these being billion-dollar movies. But a good script with something new like evil Avengers could be what gets butts in seats. Then the secondary characters, if they survive, could prove themselves as worthy successors. Sure some will root for the bad over the good.

[@Ryan-gz9xg]

IMO we put way too much in which characters and actors are gonna be in the film. All i care about is the story good? All these cameos and returning actors don’t mean anything unless it’s a good story. So as long as the story itself isn’t spoiled idrc

[@58kenstyle]

Exactly

[@wdeemarwdeemar8739]

Sam Wilson didn’t work in the comics either as Captain America after multiple attempts.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Why do you suppose that was?

[@LucasRibeiro-mj9uh]

I think this could work but honestly it's just so risky. Having the OGs return as villains to fight against the new characters that weren't really well received for the most part, may sound as a forced approach to make the fans like the characters that haven't caught on. I love that they are literally trying everything EXCEPT giving those guys more development lol 😅

[@JGeeNbDZZU8k9YHfsxkcZFumFiXBhj]

People that up with deadpool and wolverine. They will watch for weird cameos and mix ups.

[@sandal_thong8631]

That's a good point. It could be interesting to see Shiri's Black Panther, War Machine, and Falcon talking about issues, such as how they're succeeding their mentors. It would need to be about experience. If the originals had gone, then villains might see an opportunity to outwit and outfight the new team, and that would give them experience working together. I like to think about Egghead and his Masters of Evil as a moderately formidable Avengers villain.

[@Sticker6181]

less than 10 years… the actors are pushing 50-60

[@purplemarsmotionpictures]

chris is 43, ScarJo 40, and Hemsworth is 41. They got plenty of time.

[@djwallace4542]

Chris Evans and Scarlett are much younger than Anthony Mackie

[@Supermonistic]

Great, informative video and I appreciate your perspectives but just a bit of clarification .Superman Red Son wasn’t an evil Superman story. It was just a story about Superman, having his perspective juxtapose to that of his original origins. He wasn’t evil. He was just a communist.

[@katarzynan3724]

I think that Marvel went too fast with the story after Endgame. New Doctor Strange should've been the Nightmare story, just as it was planned originally. Then Multiverse of Madness would be way later in the story with different ending of course (Wanda going to other universe where Doom would be).

[@mechanwhal6590]

Good grief. Disney can’t do anything new, can it?

[@Blazeyates]

& they still making money!!

[@mechanwhal6590]

@ Numbers! Bah! There’s more to life than numbers!

[@loststoryproductions]

They tried. Nobody liked it lol

[@taylorfisher3944]

​@@Blazeyatestheir stock valuation is roughly the same as before they bought all the IPS and networks. So technically they have devalued all those assets by roughly half.

[@DominicRuiz23]

no they cant... they tried it and all the new charcters are cheeks. they need to reset again.

[@dejajade6726]

As someone who's wanted a What If story where Team Cap was Hydra, an MCU version of the Crime Syndicate is right up my alley. Like that would be so cool!

[@jgarduno1543]

Grace explaining why a men won't tell a women written notes. Really is saying wokeness is out of control

[@JavierRamos-j5v]

but grace always be spoiling left and right

[@sandal_thong8631]

Not always, but she may have said something about _No Way Home,_ that I didn't want to hear. I haven't gone back to watch it to see. Spoiler thumbnails are also something to try to avoid, though I don't remember if she did that once or twice too.

[@OmarHudson]

Chris Evans coming back undermines Anthony Mackies Captain America.

[@taylorfisher3944]

They should of kept Anthony as the falcon. He was already a good character in his own. It makes no sense for him to be captain America. He has no super powers and strengths from super serums. Bucky would of made more sense as he also received the super serum.

[@OmarHudson]

@@taylorfisher3944 Bucky is not Captain America worthy. He is a bad man. Who has done bad things.

[@OmarHudson]

@taylorfisher3944 That's like saying General Zod could replace Superman just because he has similar powers.

[@taylorfisher3944]

@@OmarHudson he hasn't been under mind control for like a decade. Also wasn't he in that show with falcon, I didn't see it but pretty sure he's a legit good guy now.

[@OmarHudson]

@@taylorfisher3944 That is not how that works. Maybe in real America, but I digress. You don't turn a mvrd3r3r into a symbol of justice, morality, and America.

[@Dark_Kommissar]

In a fight between the original, evil Avengers against the new Avengers, I’m rooting for the bad guys.

[@DominicRuiz23]

yep. grace needs to wake up and realize we dont like she hulk and those other new charcters.

[@sandal_thong8631]

@@DominicRuiz23 Some of us like She-Hulk, Shang-Chi, and others, but people didn't like the She-Hulk show.

[@alvin12822]

Maybe its the "hail hydra!" scene idea from the Avengers Endgame movie. 😆

[@PavanCgari]

There is also a theory going around that he could be playing the beyonder who takes Steve rogers' form.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I think he did that in the first issue, but it didn't go anywhere and he changed his appearance after that.

[@thedollaisle]

An Evil Avengers vs Avengers 2-part movie would be cool where the first movie is entirely from Evil Avengers pov and then the second part is our team winning.

[@JGeeNbDZZU8k9YHfsxkcZFumFiXBhj]

It'll be a good plan to put Young Avengers on Disney Channel and so they can keep it there as a CW corner of MCU.

[@That_OtherGuy95]

Hulkling will fail if they introduce him in a love story right away with wiccan. The reason why gay romantic movies almost always fail is because the audience for that is extremely small. Just give them the wanda and vision treatment. Don't rush into it and let their relationship develop naturally through multiple projects.

[@DominicRuiz23]

why is that even a priority for people to be talking about with marvel? Some people really dont care about good movies or shows anymore they just want their own agenda to be pushed

[@mateom1691]

@@DominicRuiz23Their relationship is as important to the characters as it gets. It is literally built into their origin story together. You can’t have Wiccan without Hulkling. That’s like having Batman without Catwoman. The fact that you just don’t want to see it doesn’t make it any less important

[@DominicRuiz23]

@ nobody even knows about Wiccan aside from the minority of people who watched Agatha and know about his story from the comics. That isn’t a priority at all. Believe me majority of people do not care of even know about any of this.

[@Shockkings0714]

@@DominicRuiz23 Nobody knew Batman before his show either

[@Shockkings0714]

Nobody knew Batman before his show either

[@EvanSawyer4]

I think, as a concept, evil cap is fundamentally different than evil superman. Superman is a god, him being evil has humanity ending consequences. And that’s the take we’ve seen many times already.

[@sandal_thong8631]

We haven't seen a movie version of Bizarro, whose origins are a little weird and childish. He seems like he has autism-spectrum disorder or something. In my version I could imagine in an alternate reality, a piece of Kryptonite from his planet exploding and lodging in Kal-El's escape starship and radiating him as a baby to turn him into Bizarro. Then some others meet up with him as a teen to manipulate him and go with him for the first time to the Fortress of Solitude. I think the Jor-El A.I. would have its work cut out for it to try to turn him good.

[@JR-182]

No Chris doing Scott Pilgrim was great. And made the fans so happy.

[@rezza_lynsaii]

the mcu is gonna drown itself out ig

[@Blazeyates]

Your are out your "mind", for that statement!!

[@TheDeckOfficer]

Deadpool and Wolverine would suggest otherwise.

[@TheBioBoy]

@@TheDeckOfficerthat was fox. Disney is going to run those properties to the ground soon enough too

[@lorenzohamilton6254]

@@TheBioBoyyet you’ll stay tuned in

[@taylorfisher3944]

​@@TheDeckOfficerthat was a leftover just like the finally guardians movie, Disney on the other hand is struggling.

[@jessevjames]

I feel Quinta Brunson can write a really funny season 2 of She Hulk that everyone can get behind. Plus, she loves Marvel.

[@ngin98]

wow I think you just nailed it !!!

[@ThunderKat2012]

Yeah I liked she hulk in general…liked Agatha but couldn’t get behind her series…caught part of the first episode and I felt like she shoulda been trapped in a procedural television show (like Wanda was) and at the end she’s freed by Aubrey plaza and Wiccan…didn’t care for how that played out💁🏽‍♂️

[@sreyangovender3404]

Who?

[@ngin98]

@@sreyangovender3404 abbott elementary

[@starship824]

OMG yes, that would be perfect.

[@WestheBestMoore-du8kp]

I loved Defending Jacob

[@小笼包-m3o]

Yes! I arguably enjoyed more than captain America 😅

[@AlTheD]

I liked Chris in The Gray Man as a villain, he should do more villain roles.

[@TheDeckOfficer]

Always a fun time on the streams! Seems like Avengers Doomsday is going to be a big reset button. Hope it’s good! Btw, that fog looked so cool on the stream today. Very cinematic.

[@P1V0TDude]

Stop trying to make "she-hulk" happen. She's not going to happen

[@The_Gentleman_X]

The Bride on Creature Commandos is my She-Hulk.

[@AnthonyMcNeil]

She Hulk can happen, it's just that the MCU and D+ dropped the ball with her.

[@trisw5991]

😂

[@mrjack8849]

Skrulls and Secret Invasion should have been an entire phase before anything else. The get into Secret Wars. Completely botched everything.

[@captainmalcolmreynolds1526]

She hulk definitely down played Bruce’s horrific past that she probably couldnt even fathom . That’s a big reason I was turned off by the character somewhat. She says she has it worse but Bruce had it so bad he tried to off himself

[@sandal_thong8631]

But if the series didn't say why she'd want to give up lawyering and become a superhero then it failed its mission. She's also supposed to like being She-Hulk more than being Jennifer. Still, she's more fun and better as a team-player than as a solo character.

[@JustMe-dc6ks]

Evans I can see. Cap, old Cap, evil Cap, Johnny Storm whatever. I don’t see RDJ as Doom.

[@sandal_thong8631]

He's either an evil version that takes over Doom's armor and the name Doom, or his body has been exchanged with Doom's which is one of the latter's powers, or he's been brainwashed to become Doom with Doom's memories like Kristoff. Any of these works logically.

[@adrianfuenmayor616]

Would be this the reason why Thor was crying in Deadpool and Wolverine???

[@Penpaper]

Yes people will root for evil Cap. Rogers will always be the real cap to casuals

[@jonathancurran5366]

Let's be honest who didn't see them all coming back at some point back in 2019.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Better than bringing them back from the dead.

[@GHBobBrownbear]

Thank you Grace, great stream :)

[@ramstrong1961]

Can you spell desperate?: D I S N E Y

[@DominicRuiz23]

Ill take evil avengers over these new trash charcters anyday.

[@eduardopantoja9115]

​@DominicRuiz23 the problem is that they are going to be temporary [well I think since mcu villans usually get killed which is dumb because you waste the opportunity for a future villan group team up]

[@josephwilliams8545]

All Disney sees is M O N E Y

[@auradjinns]

Christopher Reeve was evil Superman in Superman III. What a talent!

[@jonathancurran5366]

@@auradjinns the original Bully Maguire.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Not really evil, just a douche, if people still use that term. I watched him blowing out the Olympic Torch again recently. Bizarro was supposed to be an evil version of Superman, but they didn't use him or Kal-El in that Crime Syndicate comic Grace mentioned, instead creating a different Kryptonian.

[@thedollaisle]

Omg but imagine Clint having to fight evil Natasha 😭

[@ArticAnomaly]

I dont mind the number of teams. Marvel need to create a clear separation of demographics instead of making everything for everyone. Young Avengers is Marvel content for a younger audience, Avengers or X-Men is your family friendly content and Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers is your more adult content. For the first phase Avengers and Xmen should be billed seperately and with hints that each team is not happy about the events taling place in the other teams stories, which all culminates in the first new big crosss over of all teams being Avengers VS X-Men After that, each line up can have their own team up avengers style movies and then all of the teams can come together for big events bever 10-15 years but shouldnt all be so intertwined, having the expectation that everyone should be involved in everything is whats killing the MCU, let it be seperate just like comic lines can all be read independently

[@sandal_thong8631]

I don't know about Avengers vs. X-Men. It's like a trope in comics that heroes meet for the first time don't believe the other guys are heroes, which they did in the first _The Avengers._ That's sort of what happened with the introduction of Alpha Flight in the X-Men comics: the Canadian government wanted Logan back and diverted their plane to Canada so they could fight, but not to the death. Avengers vs. Evil Avengers seems like a better idea. The original actors playing evil versions of themselves will put butts in seats, and make their successors have to prove themselves. And if it involves two teams to fight the Evil Avengers, then why not?

[@LucenProject]

With so many people down on the new stuff, can Marvel afford to show the New actually beating up on the Old? If they don't win, the new can't carry the universe. If the New win it "insults" the old.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Not necessarily. There's another DC story they could steal, about Batman knowing how to defeat all the superheroes if it ever came to that. Could Sam defeat evil Steve? Maybe. Could Yelena beat Natasha? Maybe. Would James know secrets to defeat an evil Iron Man? I don't think so. Would She-Hulk know how to defeat the Hulk? I don't think so. They'd need someone brilliant on their team like Hank Pym. And Smart Hulk is still around, so though he couldn't beat the Hulk in a fair fight, maybe he'd know some secrets to get the job done?

[@dhruv9744]

In my opinion Owl Man(Justice League Crisis on Two earths) and Homelander(The Boys Tv show not comic) are the best evil subversions of superhero characters that have ever been created.

[@Bubbles_Emporium]

Until they're ✨ 90 ✨

This is such a cool idea, that i dont think is goint to happend, like Mephisto in Wandavision

[@jkb_games_music]

If it's og avengers vs new avengers I can only imagine how toxic the fandoms about to be lol

[@sandal_thong8631]

Instead of Team Cap vs Team Iron Man, we'll have Team Evil vs. Team Good? I can't see War Machine, Falcon, She-Hulk and the new Black Widow beating the originals. And what about Thor and Hawkeye? If Jane's Mighty Thor had lived, then she could have fought Evil Thor, assuming there is one. Maybe Loki from his series sends a version of himself to aid the Avengers?

[@eliafuimaono]

Red Son is worth the watch

[@jonathancurran5366]

@eliafuimaono the motion comic that used to be up here on KZbin is good also.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I watched that and thought it was enjoyable for the time I spent, but I don't think about it much since.

[@alwxnstx]

I somehow believe that those spoilers and leaks might even come out directly from Marvel to keep the audience at least a bit investigated and interested in all those announced future projects. The MCU kinda lost me with their takes on the multiverse and too much bad character development and too many sidestories through all the Disney+ series, though I liked the majority of them.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Either they should have done a reboot after _Avengers: Endgame_ where you have all three main Marvel teams, or they should have succeeded with the Multiverse in the Doctor Strange movie and others. After all, how do you beat restoring half of life in the universe after Thanos (and preventing the second Thanos from destroying the universe)? Save multiple universes. This may be what's going to happen in _Beyond the Spider-Verse._ Miles might have to save his universe and universe 42, and others mentioned that had a failed canon event.

[@SUPERRAGO1]

Everyone keeps saying people don’t like the multiverse but the multiverse movies have made the most money. No way home, D&W, even multiverse and madness got close to a billion.

[@julesjacobs8931]

I like to be surprised when I see a movie

[@liamglowsplaces]

I think this would be the perfect way to round out the multiverse. With a bang! The audience only hasn’t enjoyed it because it’s been lack lustre mostly. So maybe they are just giving us what we’ve wanted all along but can then go on to the next thing - Xmen

[@lennzo9231]

I feel like Chris Evans is too artsy fartsy to keep the Marvel fans. If he’d gone the route of staying buff and doing action/adventure male centric films, i think he could’ve had the most mainstream success out of all of them.

[@VuMinhThuFPLHN]

He is stuck with male goofy role and want to escape and you want him to be stuck forever?

[@jonathancurran5366]

@lennzo9231 not really, they're a bit like the GOT actors (their contemporaries interestingly enough) nobody really cares about what they do outside of their core franchise.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Someone in the livestream said he should have done a Rom-Com.

[@morningview-ok]

36:27 yes, mostly men DID get upset over that, and just like everything: get too involved in their own feelings to actually understand what Jen was saying. Becoming She-Hulk was an easier transition for her (aside from it being a blood-transfusion and not a faulty SS Serum plus gamma radiation) because she’s constantly had to manage her emotions, because for some women it’s literally the difference between survival or being unalived. And she says that in the first episode, and these Neanderthals get butthurt that she is able to hold her own against Bruce. She literally has two decades of emotional and reaction management over him PLUS it’s the whole reason she was able to obtain consciousness while in Hulk form. The reasons are literally all there, and comprehended within the context of Jen’s character. The show is literally called SHE-Hulk! It’s about HER. Why would we be talking about Bruce’s experience when it’s a show about Jen. It isn’t ‘SHE-HULK AND HULK IS IN THERE TOO’. And I also loved that they called this out in the show, and the irl comments were almost verbatim. Love love loved it. Just goes to show how predictable these edgelord incels are. I can see where Grace is coming from in terms of casting the widest net so people will watch the show and will make money, but America is so down bad with making money that they are willing to sell their liberties for all to achieve it. Men will always find something to be upset over (just look at the last 10 years). If they didn’t want it to be such a feminist-forward project - maybe they should have just made something else. What other self-aware and 4th wall breaking character is better to talk about women’s issues than She-Hulk? And to think that she wouldn’t, especially in today’s social climate is unfaithful to the character and just obtuse. And to celebrate Winter Soldier’s social commentary and not She-Hulk’s is hypocritical and inflammatory. I also love the idea that these mouthbreathers don’t realise that the characters they love, like Captain America (and across codes, Superman, Batman, etc) wouldn’t be on their team - they would be catching hands from them. “…I don’t like bullies, I don’t care where they’re from.” - Steve Rogers, Captain America (2011)

[@johnpittsii7524]

Thanks for the news Grace

[@MaestroHenry]

Marvel & Disney so damn desperate at this point

[@sandal_thong8631]

They have the I.P. and if they can make something good, they can get butts in seats to the tune of $1 billion for a good Marvel movie and maybe $2 billion for a good Star Wars movie. But yeah, it feels desperate that they want R.D., Jr. to save the MCU again.

[@rontibm1621]

I am sorry but sam and bucky never were lead materials.

[@rickyjaey6187]

i think lets give marvel a chance to buildup the legacy characters a bit more , so we can get attached, then when they’re faced with the ppl who inspired them to become who we know & love them as that’ll be insanse

[@johntheX]

Can Chris Evans portray an evil captain america? his acting is... oh well.

[@rl8259]

Watch Snowpiercer he’s a good actor

[@johntheX]

@rl8259 I did. The movie is great. His performance is okay.

[@strandedtraveller1038]

He has played villainous roles multiple times. Knives Out and The Gray Man prove that he can pull off charismatic a-holes with conviction, and his debut performance in Lobby Hero on Broadway received great reviews as well. There was also Pain Hustlers last year which he starred opposite Emily Blunt and though the movie was forgettable, the scene of them having an argument at the parking lot was pretty tense and they both delivered.

[@davidwilliams7624]

Yelena vs evil Natasha. It would be great.

[@Stardust4900]

Thank you for the stream grace!! Your coverage is always excellent!!

[@chase5436]

Um, if the best we have is the same actors but evil, I don’t know.

[@pensado3000]

I've collected comics for over 40 years, and I find it interesting that...the characters comic collectors didn't care about back then...don't connect with today's general movie going audience. facts!!!

[@michaelsaldana4103]

The "Speeding Bullets" comic I think would make a great adaption. Also I think they missed out on an old Captain America doing his best Stan Lee impressions in future Marvel movies, would of been gold and pay homage to Stan, as well as a series of Cap returning the stones.

[@JoybuzzerX]

Hydra Captain America however only turned out to be alternate dimension. If it was well received, I have no doubt it would've stayed as the 616 Cap.

[@purplemarsmotionpictures]

What made The Crime Syndicate iconic was Owlman, who was so more than a evil Batman. And it's hard to write a character that deep and disturbing. You can copy the formula but you can't copy the art.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I was reading about the Crime Syndicate after watching another video on Chris Evans returning. They didn't just make Diana, Kal-El and Bruce evil, they largely chose new characters to fill their shoes, so it was both similar and different.

[@TheSorcererSupreme-w5g]

I saw pictures of Downey Jr with Jessica Alba on IG. So I think it will be Sue Storm next to him, not Wanda

[@maesteraztec5796]

I liked She Hulk the show and the character. I think she could be a character who is always going against the grain and challenging decisions and going off to do things her way, maybe making things worse but then everything works out in the end.

[@Zethonring23]

I'm just miffed we couldn't get even one Avengers movie without the original cast, they tried to do something new, tell a new kind of story and fumbled it so badly they had to go running back to Chris Evans and RDJ, beyond desperate

[@celdur4635]

Anthony Mackie is a fun good actor, making him Cap america was the worse thing. The falcon had more potential for him specially if he had to go through some tough times with some story where he's "just" human vs enhanced people, and then becomes more jagged en evolves as a character.

[@Ray03595]

I just don’t really care. I’m sure it’ll succeed because if it doesn’t pretty much confirms MCU is done and everyone saw Endgame as the rightful finale.

[@mo6live]

I’m not even a begin marvel fan outside of X-men but the GA isn’t going to be upset by evil captain America from an alternate universe in the multiverse arc we are finally getting multiverse stuff and where complaining why? We are trying to get through this and finally get started in a phase that’s been in stand by for years and never really got started

[@lloydculbreath8105]

Perhaps Anthony Mackies Cap will get super powered somehow between now & the reboot

[@rl8259]

I don’t think he’ll stay

[@jfcfanfic]

Thanks for the stream. Evil Avengers... seems like a cheap move around but as a fan of fanfics I'm definitely familiar with evil Avengers so I'm willing to give it a shot. Especially as you mentioned, it's now or never with the actors getting older and older. To be honest, I'm more relieve to learn they are finally having a goal in mind after so many years after Thanos.

[@DominicRuiz23]

Ill take evil avengers over these new trash charcters anyday.

[@lars7282]

It’s exactly as cheap as Mufasa, Moana 2 or Inside Out 2. It’s the safest bet for shareholders

[@BraidyBrown]

Will there be a Secret Level review?

[@Jossbecerra]

Dr. Strange and Spider Man will probably lead the avengers, Moon Knight, Deadpool, and Daredevil would be cool

[@sandal_thong8631]

I forgot Moon Knight is still around. But he's got another personality that we haven't seen much of that seems to be doing dirty work.

[@sm-rune]

Sorry, but in my opinion, Sam Wilson exists so moderate white people can say, “Look, we have an ethnic! Black folks can be patriotic and uphold the status quo, too!” Sam’s whole reason for existence in Cap 2 was to give Steve Rogers a diverse sidekick, so audiences know Steve is “one of the good old white guys.” Even in Sam’s own movie, he’s second-fiddle to the Hulks and the weight of dangling narrative threads. What is this movie even about anymore? (I’d like Cap 4 to do well, but I think it’s morally and intellectually bankrupt, so no amount of reshoots is gonna save it.)

[@Shockkings0714]

So Black people can't be Captain America? Got ya

[@Shockkings0714]

So Black people can't be Captain America? Got ya

[@EduardoGarcia-ww8su]

Hmmm, not sure about the whole Sam's existence as a black side kick theory. But even if you are right, that doesn't have to make it a bad thing (if that is what you are implying) because the reason Cap's movies are some of the best in the mcu is because of the political themes and messages.

[@Shockkings0714]

Sounds like BS

[@Shockkings0714]

Sounds like BS

[@lars7282]

Dear Lord, the MCU is a messy mess!

[@smallies7154]

Walker was probably the only character I liked since endgame

[@Sanj1n]

Loved the stream Grace. Thank you for answering my questions, you have an excellent point, they are going in full safe mode with new Avengers movie.

[@PathOfRage]

Hawk Newsome...pleasant fellow 🙂...but anyway 🙂...its like RDJ and Evans are joined at the hip. Once RDJ came back, I was pretty sure Evans was. I dunno if this is a leaching type deal or what.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I thought it was a really bad idea to bring Robert Downey Jr. back to the MCU, especially as another character: Doctor Doom. I thought that could only work logically in one of two ways: either Doctor Doom transfers bodies with Tony, or he brainwashes Tony like his Doombots did for Kristoff. With Chris Evans coming back, likely as an evil version of Captain America, there could be a third: Evil Tony defeats Doctor Doom and takes his armor and his name. But how could Captain America be evil? I guess if Steve fell and was captured and brainwashed by Hydra instead of Bucky. Maybe it's lazy writing, but they want a billion dollar movie, and pretty much only the original Avengers have done that. So Evil Avengers versus Good Avengers might put butts in seats. But the Good Avengers better earn their victory; we can't have a situation like Hank Pym defeating Kang with giant ants.

[@Mohamed-ben23]

"and Matt Damon" 😂😂❤

[@asyme9717]

... please god don't be Captain Hydra. If they do, they seriously miss the appeal of his character. People don't want to see an evil cap. And despite how much Chris Evans wants to focus on heel/comedic roles - his fans really like him as a face/lead. Also? The Captain Hydra arc was awful. And justifiably loathed by fans. The MCU needs to stop copying awful modern stories readers have already rejected.

[@SuperExtrovert]

Just got started with my day and the news just hit my timelines. Interesting development!! Marvel is on a roll this szn!!!

[@jordanmatthewstelck]

We need a poll for Luigi and Joker.

[@HLDN1989]

This is a business decision by Marvel. Since Endgame they've spent over $1b+ on a unmitigated run of disasters (Eternals, Marvels, Thor 4, DSMOM, Quantamania). Iger and Feige are going back to basics. Re-hiring the OGs (RDJ, Evans, Russos), and then stacking fan favorites back to back until 2028. I mean seriously, Spider-Man 4 is scheduled between Avengers movies right now.

[@aashishsinghyaduvanshi7903]

Back to formula 😂

[@Mo_KING_bird]

Multiverse of Madness was far from a disaster

[@jonathancurran5366]

@Mo_KING_bird right and Thor L&T was atrocious but made money.

[@MadMax76er]

Take a shot everytime Grace says 'you know'

[@gagec98]

If no one in these comments likes the MCU at this point, why are you still interacting with the content? If you hate it, move on. People complaining all the time is how we got DC 😒

[@gagec98]

And to clarify, I love it. Either way. No matter what they do. It’s based on comic books. Comics do wacky, gimmicky, “desperate” stuff all the time.

[@justaguy4402]

K..

[@JoybuzzerX]

Been avoiding spoilers since Endgame. Didn't even know it was time travel I only heard it as rumors.

[@sooshibun]

They should have evil Captain America and evil Bucky be in a romantic relationship, that'd be amazing and cute. >:D

[@sandal_thong8631]

I'm thinking for Captain America to be evil, he would have been the one to fall instead of Bucky. So they wouldn't both be evil. And I don't think people shipping Steve and Bucky would want them to be evil versions.

[@AhabweArthur]

Everyone is thinking Captain Hydra Me: I see him as the Beyonder or molecule man especially with RDJ as Dr. Doom.

[@WestheBestMoore-du8kp]

We saw some Cap on Cap action in Endgame… And Sam Wilson v bad Cap Burnside in comics

[@TheDbduece]

Evans should come back as Steve Rogers proper not some multiverse knockoff - and not even necessarily as Cap. Remember, Rogers has a whole lifetime of stories to tell before he reappeared as an old man. And, as far as we know, he's not even dead! I would love to see Old Man Steve and Old Man Isiah form a super soldier team up on Disney+.

[@MsFated]

Sorry but this is ridiculous. First RDJ and now Chris Evans? Please just restart MCU with new actors why can’t they just do Young Avengers as a movie?

[@BostonChattanooga]

Evil OGs vs their portages does sound appealing to my ears 🙈

[@DominicRuiz23]

it does if the evil OGs win

[@alberteaux]

They could de-age old Cap a little bit, and have him take over for Nick Fury once Sam Jackson is over it.

[@adamagreen]

People complaining for 5 years of marvel doing stuff different then cry when the go back to the Avengers 🤣 can’t please the internet.

[@andrewdotjames]

There is about 20 characters who are currently in the MCU who can be avengers. Why are we doing this?

[@rl8259]

Because they’re not popular

[@DominicRuiz23]

they are bad

[@andrewdotjames]

@@DominicRuiz23 id like to remind everyone that the first CA, Thor, and Iron Man did not perform particularly well and, with the exception of Iron Man, were not well reviewed either. But Marvel stuck it out and built their universe and the billion dollar movies came later. They didn’t even crack $600 million. The first CA movie not evening making it $400 million.

[@DominicRuiz23]

@@andrewdotjames please never compare those movies with the movies now.

[@Shockkings0714]

@@DominicRuiz23 Why not compare? Iron Man 2, Hulk, Thor, and Thor 2 are bottom of the barrel horrible. They aren't as bad as she hulk or secret invasion but they aren't that much better either

[@martins2246]

Good for Anthony...he will be leading the good guys

[@ricardoramirez8392]

Catching the playback. Thanks for this livestream, Grace❤ If this comes to fruition in Doomsday, Bucky better go as hard for Captain Hydra as Cap did for him in Winter Soldier.

[@MagdaleneLina]

What if the evil avengers aren't from an alternate reality, but instead they are scrolls from our main universe ?

[@sandal_thong8631]

Skrulls could have worked from _Secret Invasion_ which I haven't read or seen. But they didn't go that way. I liked an issue of Fantastic Four where the X-Men turn up to fight Gladiator (and Captain America and Spider-Man), but they turn out to be Skrulls using devices to copy their powers.