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[@SinCity2100]

The Fact that Noob Saibot never won a fight in the New timeline is absolutely disheartening, He's one of the Coolest Characters in the MK Franchise and he's being treated like a Jobber.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

He technically did,he kicked shinnok's ass and killed scorpion like he did in the original timeline,after that he just gets his ass kicked

[@SandwitchZebra]

Baraka, Reptile, Ermac, Sheeva, Kano, Mileena, and even all the new jobber characters from MK11 who have really cool ideas and more were all wasted as well, which is a shame as they are some of the coolest characters in the franchise. The villains always get the short end of the stick.

[@SinCity2100]

@@GhostFan-ev4di Do you actually say that Sonya can beat up Shinnock, Man the Power Scale in the new timeline is all over the place!!!

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

@@SinCity2100 yes indeed,and. apparently kronika a titan with time powers is weaker than geras a being she created herself

[@Dres2000]

It sucks that the previous timelines don’t matter and the new timelines rewritten characters poorly. I wish Tobias didn’t leave.

[@Kingmegadon]

You know you're still under-cutting pre-death Bi-Han. In mythologies he defeat Pre-specter Scorpion, 4 elemental gods, Post-specter Scorpion, 3 demon assassins, and an elder god. It took Liu Kang 4 games to do all that and Bi-Han did it in one.

[@reapersoon8362]

A lil' correction here, Bi-Han never defeated Shinnok. He merely stole his amulet and then fled. So, yes, Bi-Han is clearly a force to be reckonned with but this battle is one he never won (and, understandably, never tried to fight).

[@outis439-A]

@@reapersoon8362 But you can kill Shinnok so doesn’t count?

[@reapersoon8362]

@@outis439-A Well I'm only taking the canon into account here. Canonically speaking Bi-Han never killed Shinnok. Indeed it can be done in the game, but canonically it never happened.

[@moseslalmuanpuia8988]

Fr. Dude was fire in that story. The game however .

[@Doralga]

Jaqcui got that juicy plot armor to beat Bi Han despite losing too Sub zero in the last game

[@pearsemolloy9656]

To be fair though Quai Liang is the superior fighter but yeah Jaqui shouldn’t beat Noob. That’s why I always use Jax to fight him.

[@Doralga]

@@pearsemolloy9656 New timeline bullshit in the Original he beat sub zero in every encounter and dude No Jax is far weaker than any of the Ninja's Jax plays hands with Kano

[@decima1434]

@@Doralga right ninjas super powers can kill him

[@ZeoSleeps]

Nah the player had plot armor

[@MartinDemario]

Jacqui was the only one to show skill when fighting kuai lang while the rest of the kombat kids got their asses kick.

[@Red_1911]

What really pisses me off is that Noob isn’t even that mad about Scorpion killing him unjustly

[@Red_1911]

Darion Mackey then why does he complain to Raiden about his death? If noob loved being dead then he would thank raiden.

[@computationjix428]

@@Red_1911 Jacqui's chapter in MK11 seems to suggest that Noob is still somewhat salty about it. Not only did Kronika promise his own army of darkness, Noob hoped that his "unjust" death would be prevented. p.s. I'm not suggesting that his death wasn't unjust with the quotation marks. This is how Noob himself referred to his own death. If he can admit that his death was unjust then he's probably still salty about it.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

that was disappointing,you couldn't at least have scorpion and noob saibot,get a proper fight or interaction netherrealm? at this point I think ed boon is tired of MK,and he's milking it until he's done.

[@shawklan27]

@@Red_1911 true true

[@TheNemesis432]

He is though. But only in pre-fight dialogue with Raiden. He actually even says what he was "killed unjustly" to which Raiden replies what Scorpion lost his trust to which Noob in return replies what "this is not justice". He even considers thanking D'Vorah for killing Hanzo, but at the same time lashes out at her for robbing him of his vengeance. I have no idea why they didn't add a similar piece of dialogue in story mode, but then again it seems what story mode and pre-fight dialogue was written by completely different people (who still share complete lack of knowledge and understanding of MK lore).

[@SandwitchZebra]

They did Bi-Han dirty in recent games. I mean look at MK11. He: -shows up out of nowhere with no explanation on how he's alive -has lost any sense of what he was before -is shoehorned into the story just twice and is never seen again -is apparently sexist (Edit: why can't people understand this one is a joke) -has a voice that sounds cool but after a while is really hard on the ears -has a really lousy ending that's doesn't expand his character at all -has really lame interactions with his brother and killer -should have ended Hanzo instead of the stupid bee lady -is only in the game to make fans happy so they hopefully buy it. That last one seems especially true. He just feels like a shoe-in so people would buy

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

Mk11's whole story was mess,four problems are time travel,kronika,titans,and multiple timelines,take all of those out,mk11 would be good

[@Missrena1000]

I wouldn’t call Bi-Han sexist. He probably just said that to piss off Frost given how quick to anger she is. Tbh, he does say some pretty heinous shit to all the characters. I think in the game, he threatened to said the n-word to Jax. So I wouldn’t necessarily label him as such.

[@computationjix428]

@@Missrena1000 Making Bi-Han sexist doesn't really "do him dirty". It's not hard to believe that the Lin Kuei as a whole do not accept women given that the only instance of there being a woman present is when the group was under Kuai Liang's authority. Noob adopting the possible principles and values of his old clan seems to make lots of sense, more than 4thSnake's dream of him being redeemed despite being a dickhead bad guy even while alive.

[@The4thSnake]

When was he a dickhead bad guy while alive?

[@shawklan27]

@@GhostFan-ev4di agreed

[@alingeorge1138]

The MK11 Bi-Han is a present version apparently, because he knows about the soulnado incident and the timepoint of the past versions is before Kung Lao's death

[@alingeorge1138]

Scorpion asked him how did he survive the souldnado

[@WontSmith]

Yet for some reason he came out even weaker than in MK9. Meanwhile, Scorpion gets to be the Elder Gods champion and takes down Onaga.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

@@WontSmith that just shows how some of the writers currently working on mk haven't played any of the past games

[@majorpum95x26]

Its kind of weird cuz in the gallery u can see how concept arts say: Present Saibot and past saibot but we only see 1 xd

[@khayree7929]

Won't Smith and I’m so fucking tired of lui kang. Why not let sub zero or scorpion get the endings... hell theyre the ones carrying the franchise

[@Thebearwithnoname]

Whats starting to become clearer, to me at least, is that Netherrealm really do not understand the core of any of their characters or history. If they do, they have a blatant disregard for it. Outside of Jon Tobias, it just feels like none of there creative team cares about telling a coherent story. And the messed up part is it's not that hard to do, and only strengthens the overall presentation. When folks say story doesn't matter in fighting games, it's alot due to the fact that fighting games have set such a low bar for care, and thought into their stories, thats it's become the standard. A reputation of mediocracy as the expected norm. Fatality indeed.

[@TheNemisisx]

When john tobias left the story telling started to take a nose dive. He was the driving force behind the plots and character developments. I honestly wish he'd return to write the story for the games cause i guarantee he'd dish out a masterpiece for us.

[@zviedelman9015]

@@TheNemisisx And, hopefully, they'll drop the "4 fights per chapter" thing...

[@Zaire_39]

They don’t understand that Bi-Han was not irredeemable.

[@JarvisBaileyVA]

4thSnake: "I think another dude put it best" Me: "Wow what a jerk. He doesn't even know the guy's name but is gonna use his quote" *Profile is actually named Another Dude* Me: "So like I was saying, D'Vorah is so trash right?..."

[@stevester9148]

Kuai Liang: ''BROTHER! Where have you been all this time??'' Bi Han: ''Waiting in the shadows.......of this fridge right here, to have a quick fight with you and then dissapear from story mode. Oh, but I have a cool new Dr. Claw voice.''

[@thedeviousdimwit4251]

Sorry, Netherealm traded character nuance for "I am become Death; destroyer of worlds"

[@ianrocco8453]

When he became the reaper of souls from Diablo III?

[@theberserker7305]

Well,here in Brazil this is a cool reference,because Noob's brazillian voice actor is the same as Kratos in God Of War 4,and "I am become Death,destroyer of worlds." Is what Kratos says in Ghost Of Sparta

[@thedeviousdimwit4251]

User:Cyber_Bot_13 Not to take take away from how cool that must’ve been, but wouldn’t that be more coincidence than reference?

[@Umbra_Ursus]

To be fair, he and Cyber Sub-Zero had a good interaction back in MK9. Probably some of NetherRealm's best writing. They should have done more with that.

[@jacklondon3745]

The fucker quoted Oppenheimer, I cannot tell you how loud I cackled when I heard him say that. He's so goddamn edgy in 11, it is ridiculous. It was interesting at first where he betrayed Kronika because he figured she would betray him, but rather than keep that going where he's either extremely paranoid all the time or, like Shang Tsung, is typically untrustworthy, they made him into another 'i Am DaRkNeSs InCaRnAtE' villain.

[@jacobweatherford4696]

I could imagine a living bihans interaction with noob being something like this Bihan : so this is what becomes of me Noob : i have been liberated of my weakness Bihan : i did not take back shinnoks amulet just to become his pawn!

[@respiratoryfailure3780]

They tossed their good brotherly relationship cause it's too much effort for them and it'd just be easier if they made Bi-Han just an overall bad guy even though he was once a really good guy, even Raiden said it.

[@icynibazuki]

I guess his character wasn't so... Cool I'll find my way out

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

I'd never throw you out in the cold.

[@omiorahman6283]

thats cold

[@evolvedcopper2205]

All of you just leave 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Dres2000]

(Reads comments) Shiver me timbers!

[@dadeleemurphy85]

you should have said 'I guess this character wasn't as cool as you thought....'

[@thepriorstone4064]

Honestly I’m more pissed there was no interaction between Scorpion and Bi-Han, Quan-Chi revives the man that Scorpion dedicated his afterlife to killing, and now is stuck working alongside the man he hates the most, where the FUCK did this rivalry go?

[@Layd36]

now they brought back this rivalry with bi han as the villain for no reason

[@Deimos_Fresh]

I always thought that Mythologies ending was a hint for Sub-Zero to change his dark fate. He did questioned Raiden about what Quan Chi told him. Even to this day I still waiting for Bi-Han to redeem himself from his darkness, but it seems for NetherRealm it's more important to make Scorpion endlessly rage over nothing.

[@seasonembrace3624]

I guess you could say Nether Realm turned Bi-Han/Noob-Saibot into a literal shadow of his former self from Midway.

[@DarkEdge1231]

I typically don't care about the story of MK or your videos criticizing it. I'm just in it for the entertainment. But when you and that one comment addressed the missed opportunity of not having Noob kill Hanzo but choosing Dvorah is the one case where I realized how awful (or incompetent) these writers are. I realize what NRS biggest writing problem is. They try to go for the grandest or most drastic moments to shock people. Not being subversive but more over the top that they only think in simple terms. They lack tac/subtley, thematic nuance, character dynamic cohesiveness, and foresight all for the sake of Saturday morning cartoon levels of storytelling. They made Dvorah kill Hanzo because it is shocking (because noone saw it coming and why would they it's fucking retarded) and to make Dvorah even more hated. It seem they will go at any extent to make Dvorah as cartoonishly vile as possible to make audiences hate her regardless if it ruins the story or just retcons shit. And worst part it goes nowhere. Dvorah never gets her comupance or any punishment. She gets away scot-free and the universe resets. Basically cheap shock value over good story telling. It's shit writing like that where OP characters like Dr.Fate is taken out by a fucking tentacle.

[@Spanishfutbol2010]

MK1 as great as it is destroyed Bi-Han’s character beyond repair.

[@Layd36]

Lol he's gonna end up as a jobber but the difference being him being no longer noob 😂

[@SinCity2100]

Well I can't wait to see the MK1's version of wasted potential after butchering his character, even with him being back as sub-zero AGAIN!

[@mbmjks2786]

“Such wasted potential”

[@mountandblade77]

on another note, imagine if Scorpion himself didn't write Bi-Han off as a lost cause and tried to save him himself, instead of trying to save his own past self who could have been off doing something else at the moment. It would make things more meaningful, with a complete reversal of the two's original positions...if Hanzo pulled out the fact that Quan Chi manipulated absolutely everything that transpired between the two...and this actually *meant* something to Bi-Han. as well as pointing out the fact he still has family to live for, unlike himself... If this actually reached Bi-Han and he completely traded positions with past Scorpion, i feel it would make the whole moment far, far more meaningful, as we would have actually lost something..and yet gained something else... Rather than trading a redeemed Scorpion for....another redeemed Scorpion.

[@Cdr2002]

Kuai Liang is honestly wasted in MK11 as well. He’s faced with his brother, his friend, and his surrogate daughter, people the old timeline indicated very clearly he would do anything he could to save and absolutely never give up on. And nothing is done with any of it. He disowns Bi-Han, tosses Frost aside, and while managing to save Cyrax, decides to sit idly by as his friend kills himself, making no attempt to ensure him that there’s another way. Hell, he barely even reacts to Hanzo’s death. MK11 Sub-Zero is utterly compassionless and I hate it. This was the same man who wanted to save Bi-Han and Frost, refused to give up on them, who convinced Smoke that he still had a soul and aided in Cyrax’s redemption. In both timelines, he was able to bury the hatchet with Scorpion. And all of a sudden he’s fucking TNBA Batman: a closed off asshole who alienates those close to them.

[@Cdr2002]

Are you going to specify your opinion any further or is that it?

[@basilofgoodwishes4138]

@@Cdr2002 If you want I can give you my response to your comment, but only if you like to listen, so get over here boy, this is going to be an Ice cold Bloodcup! In the Old timeline, Sub Zero is very much consistent with his Character in the New timeline, a cold man with a heart of Gold, as he should be. He is very pragmatic if he has to, but not vile like his Brother, which still holds true today so I don't see why he had fallen here. These people Sub Zero cared about, the people you, mentioned were, except with maybe Smoke( who was forced to be Evil and did not deserve this, and was allegedly saved by Sub Zero, hence why he fought in the final battle at Armageddon on the force of Light) lost causes as almost every attempt to save Frost ended with someone getting hurt and even caused the death of many of his loyal Lin Kuei, all because she betrayed Sub-Zero in an attempt to gain more power and control, stole Sub Zero's Medallion and tried to kill him(or Freeze), which ended with her being Frozen. after all the shit she did, I would have after her recovery confronted her and punished her for treason most likely with Death or imprison her in all for Eternity for her betrayal and Sub-Zero might have been in that position too. Noob refused to be good and despite his brother's attempts to redeem him, he still rejected him and joined the Forces of Darkness, so I doubt that he will try to redeem him again in a timeline, where both survived Armageddon somehow or during the Fight. So no, Kuai Liang should not have tried to give them so many Chances after all they did here. Oh, and your Gaslighting on Sub Zero's refusal to help the unhelpable is pretty awful. Bi Han had been responsible for a lot of deaths and even supported both the Cyber Initiative and Shao Khan's Invasion, which would have ended the lives of Billions of People on Earth and all of that for the Money, on top of telling his younger brother that they are no longer Siblings, this guy can rot in hell. Frost is equally bad, for refusing to get pass by her anti-Shirai Ryu believes and even nearly caused the death of Sub Zero, ergo, she can be either give the last warning( which is maybe what Sub did and she still serves Kronika) or expel her from the Lin Kuei. Cyrax was a lost cause, he died like in the Comics, in a Suicide and did the same in this game, hardly terrible from Sub-Zero to say goodbye to him. 2 of them deserve no redemption and the last one wanted to die, that is in no way incorrect for Subzero to act as he did in the storyline. Sub Zero is not compassionless, he understands, unlike you that you cannot open your hearts to everyone and that there are people, who, no matter what you do, refuse to change and pose a threat your life, it's like with Abusive Family Members, you like Sub Zero have to cut them out of your lives and be yourself, a good Human. Sub Zero did nothing wrong. What you want from Subzero is identical to what Cetrion did in the entire story, refusing to cut ties with her evil mother and allow her to plunge the realms to endless war, because she is family, which is stupid and evil. Cyrax, Smoke, and Scorpion were diffrent cases than the other 2, they deserve compassion and are actually good people, even though Scorpion is not that great in the beginning and even admits that he deserves no redemption, but in spite of all of this, at least attempts to put things right and he did with Takeda and the defeat of Havik, on top of being only the way he is due to being the victim of a mass murder, he has no perfect redemption, but still deserved it more than Frost or Noob. Batman died a long time ago since Allan Moore destroyed superheroes along with that fool Frank Miller, who made him a fascist, Batman is unlike Sub-Zero, not really a person anyone.

[@basilofgoodwishes4138]

@Raider 2747 No, my point regarding these two is not Ignorant, it's quite Enlightened. Batman became more unlikable and detestable with the advent of these two writers, who tried to deconstruct Superheroes, which is why we have so many edgy and bad comics for following that trend. TV tropes made articles about much of it, it's under Misaimed fandom and 90's comics. Another good source on it is Hbomb's video regarding the killing Joke and the comic industry as a whole. I did not mention Sareena, because I found her not relevant in this discussion and a lot of the beef that happened with her and Kuai Liang was due to misunderstanding rather than utter hostility.

[@basilofgoodwishes4138]

@Raider 2747 The All Star Batman stuff was made as a way to parody and even criticise TDKR Batman Frank himself created and even omitted to having ruined him by making him a fascist, he literally tried to make amends for his shit, until the Dark Knight movie came and made batman again edgy. Alan Moore did more than making the Killing Joke( which also created many crazy Joker fans, who believe he is right about the idea of needing one day to be enough to make someone evil, eve though it's contradicted in the story), he also made the Watchmen, the biggest deconstruction of Superheroes yet that literally sparked the beginning of the Edgy 90's comics and is the biggest influence on modern superheroes being dark and gruesome as opposed to the saviours they used to be. That it was made in the 80's doesn't devalue my point, because they still influence the 90's comics and still were the main inspiration for them, so yes, it's still their fault for the industry trend we have right now, even they admitted that they were overboard with some of the stuff they have written, it's even online, you can look it up.

[@TheLatiosnlatias02]

@@basilofgoodwishes4138 I wish a few things storywise: A number of minor *mentioned/scrapped/forgotten* characters and realms from films, cartoons, conquest, legacy, books even games were involved in future games like taking part in the Battle of Armageddon. But the outcome will be different like Taven negates everyone's powers. Ashrah purified Noob thus allowing the reconciliation between the brothers and therefore allowing a new alliance between Lin Kuei and Shirai Ryu ninja clans. Kitana goes into the past where here first encounter with Mileena occurred. Then Kitana instead of being like before which was jump to conclusions, she could have lectured Mileena the same way with Baraka, granting her new life free of Shang Tsung. If Baraka, Scorpion, Erron Black and Shiva became good, why not Mileena? Ermac? Cetrion? Geras? Ashrah purified even Onāgá as well as Empress Kreeya. With that done, Kotal explains to Onāgá, Kreeya and Dairou that Kitana is now empress who did better job than Shao Kahn. Onāgá will be with Empress Kreeya and Kotal be with Jade. Dairou? No idea... Shiva, Mileena, Baraka, Jade, Onāgá, Kotal, Kreeya, Zeffeero, Dairou would even pledge their loyalty to their new empress. Liu Kang (still fire-thunder fused) could perhaps have a happy ending too. Kitana forms an all-female fighting force (Lì Méi, Sonya, Jade, Mileena, Shiva - except Sindel being killed for being a gold digger) and banish the Forces of Evil to the Netherrealm. Khameleon restore Zaterra with the help of Ferra & Torr and a redeemed Reptile as well as Chameleon. Perhaps, Khameleon could be ruler of Zaterra. Sonya (similar to Mortal Kombat Armageddon ending) annihilates Black Dragon and Red Dragon with Jax observing "Damn, you barbecued his ass".

[@metalmario991]

In my WP of Mythologies, I do have Kuai Liang show up. He first appears before Bi-Han leaves on the quest, warning his brother that he has a feeling that Quan Chi cannot be trusted. He ends up giving something that helps Bi-Han later on, which also saves his life during the battle against Fujin. Kuai Liang then appears again at the end, seeing Bi-Han off as he boards the boat to the Mortal Kombat Tournament.

[@williammelin1671]

Ok... hold up..... jax got his own death wrong. Says his neck was snapped but it was a high heel from sindel through the throat that kills him?!?!

[@gerrymcwilliam]

Thata the MK writers for you

[@twinodoom]

I like that tutorial idea. Reminds me of how Shujinko learned moves in MK Deception.

[@kazene10]

There’s a whole redemption arc just waiting for Bi-Han that could include Sareena as well since they’re teased as having become lovers or at least somewhat romantically involved. And that’s on top of everything else currently listed. Too much is wasted and not used for these characters

[@gearsworkshop6718]

Am I the only one who likes the idea of Noob and Kabal "fucking off on a holiday somewhere"?

[@cwing1028]

He also beat a fire god, water god, fujin, and the earth demi gods. Bi-Han was literally picked by quan chi because he was the only mortal who could do it.

[@OnyxeBlade]

I fucking died when you showcased the screw up with Jerrod's death and Jax saying Sindel snapped his neck when she in reality stabbed him in the neck with her heel

[@JtheBOSS]

I didn’t even think about how MK11 could have had a Bi-Han skin for subzero to bring him back in the story as subzero that would have been cool to see

[@Itri_Vega]

I love you endlessly for that last sentence. I'm so sick of them pushing Jacqui so hard... she's got absolutely nothing going for her.

[@Dres2000]

Bi-Han: Arrogant, pure hatred towards the shirai ryu. Kuai-Lang: Honorable, humble person. Who restores his clan (I probably cannot spell it) Why aren’t you a screenwriter!? You can write better stories than Crappyrealm studios!!

[@Cdr2002]

I think I finally figured out the problem with Frost’s MKX appearance. They gave her Bi-Han’s personality inexplicably.

[@lennydickson8845]

Carlos D Rodriguez Which turned to her being a woke cyborg that hates everything and everyone thinking she’s better than everyone. I love how she looks and all, but man she needs to chill

[@Cdr2002]

Yeah her MK11 portrayal is abysmal

[@lennydickson8845]

Carlos D Rodriguez Worst of all, she was always like this

[@Cdr2002]

Except not really. In the original timeline she had no issue with the Shirai Ryu and although arrogant, wasn't intrinsically evil. She made a mistake, and instead of learning from it, the writers gave her dementia and saddled her up with the bad guys. At least Sub still held out hope for her. A shame we never got to see any redemption come to light.

[@clownypoundy6834]

Don’t forget my list: reptile,reiko,tremor, li mei, bo rai cho, goro, rain, Kano, Tanya, Shang tsung. And last but not least fujin.

[@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158]

Yeah, this is the biggest disappointment in new timeline. I mean, NRS - you have this huge and epic story featuring 2 most iconic characters in the series, 2 guys who went from bitter enemies to friends. It is a story that also involves undead demonic brother, a powerful necromancer, female demon seeking redemption and dark Elder God connected to these two. Great and epic story is sitting right there in front of you and it is a story that, at least, 80% of fans would like to see coming to conclusion. But no. Instead we get stupid teens with daddy issues who play almost the same as their parents, have personalities that are bland as cardboard and do nothing but cracking stupid one-liners that would even make MCU writers cringe. Seriously, what the hell.

[@udhsids]

You paragraph sound like is could literally be in the video.

[@GodOfOrphans]

I blame the unneccesary push for adding new characters they literally could have added no new characters to any of the Netherrealm games and stuck exclusively to existing ones and hardly anyone would've minded, hell unless you count Cyber Sub Zero that's exactly what they did for MK9 and that one is by far the best of the trilogy if not the entire franchise. but of course once you add new characters you're obligated to do something with them since they have no previous continuity and old fans to fall back on so they are shoehorned into scenarios they don't belong.

[@jedi196]

Why put in the effort when you make shit loads of cash anyway,

[@datrickster8674]

Give it time. We got a new bi Han. Let’s see if he’s humbled up

[@Zaire_39]

He probably hasn’t since NRS don’t understand that Bi-Han was looking for redemption after Mythologies.

[@DinoGoodley]

“If you try to please everyone, you please no one.”

[@r3n3gad33]

You need more subscribers man!

[@The4thSnake]

It's true. ;)

[@ernestkhalimov3305]

An insteresting thing to point out is that if you pick Sub Zero's alternate costume in MK9 he will use Bi Han's voice clips just like Noob Saibot. I loved this little detail.

[@The4thSnake]

Shame it doesn't apply to his intro line.

[@christhechilled]

I'm MK 11, Noob Saibot is who he is, a noob. " A Freaking Journey Man " Shout out to The Fighting Den

[@The4thSnake]

"A gatekeeper."

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

I like that you used Jamieson Price's other voice clips for the scenarios of Bi-Han and Kuai Liang. I still have no idea why they didn't bring him back to voice Noob yet got him to be the Announcer...

[@The4thSnake]

Same with Kelly Hu coming back as D'Vorah but not Frost.

[@GodOfOrphans]

my guess is they were worried that having the same actor playing too many roles might be immersion breaking, in Elder Scrolls for instance hearing the same voice come out of completely different characters over and over again is very jarring at times. That said there is absolutely value in keeping the casting consistent Patrick Seitz has done a wonderful job with Scorpion and has played him consistently enough that I really can't imagine anyone else playing the role at this point, or how about the fact that they've been using the same "GET OVER HERE!" sound clip for ages because it's become part of the character and cannot be removed without something being lost along with it.

[@The4thSnake]

@@GodOfOrphans And yet, Steve Blum gets his fourth role in Baraka.

[@KeyBladeMaster-Dan]

@@The4thSnake I still have absolutely no idea what compelled them to hire a major talent like Kelly Hu and waste her on a shit kharacter like D'vorah

[@shinkenger2011]

So late on commenting on this video. Bi-Han was always my personal favourite character, and... yeah, he’s been given a shit deal recently. Say what you will about MK2011, but at the _very_ least, it gave us some good moments with him... and Jamieson Price’s kickass voice. MK11, on the other hand, has no excuse.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

Bi Han Sub zero should have appeared in 11 Bi Han: I will never be like you Noob Saibot: Embrace the darkness within you Bi Han: Never undead Bi Han: Brother? Kuai Liang: never though I would make it as Grandmaster? Bi Han: you have learned from me Brother, remeber that. Bi Han: still vengeful for your death? Scorpion: I have forgiven you for my death Bi Han Bi Han: I haven't for mine Scorpion: My death by your hands was honorable Bi Han: I didn't seek your clan's demise Scorpion: Quan Chi payed for their deaths

[@codafett]

The power levels, or lack thereof, in the NeatherRealm era are easily the root of most of the problems. Noob Saibot is one of those characters who should be bad news every time he appears, he's always been explicitly stronger that Kuai Liang even when he was "just" Sub Zero. But now that "everyone can beat everyone" he does nothing but lose. You can't take villains seriously when they can get beaten on by the Kombat Kids.

[@godzillagurus576]

Technically all of his feats in mk mythologies doesn’t matter anymore because he gets beat up by humans like Sonya and Jacqui

[@codafett]

@@godzillagurus576 Exactly, it's a tragedy

[@godzillagurus576]

@@codafett yep. They should decanonize mk mythologies because it doesn’t make sense that bi han loses to humans but yet he was able to beat 4 elemental gods

[@anotherdude5974]

Oh great, finally the Wasted Potential i was waiting fo- 6:17 LOOK MOM, IT'S ME, IT'S ME!

[@foxsapprentice3335]

You deserve more subs

[@The4thSnake]

Right now, I have zero. ;)

[@Dreamydr]

Personally I've never been a big fan of Noob mainly due to his fan base that shuts me off on Noob. But I do think he has so much potential to be one of the best if not the best character in the series. I'd also love a episode about the Shokan and the Centaurian rivalry or a episode about Sheeva

[@The4thSnake]

There's an MK Khronicles chapter about her.

[@Cjwilkk]

Petition to fire the entire story writing staff at NRS and make The4thSnake executive 1 like= 1 signature

[@respiratoryfailure3780]

5:38 the old voice for Noob was more fitting

[@xamzenial5005]

I really hope Neatherealm watches these videos and learn from them.

[@rawpowergroudon1]

They won't.

[@juanpijimenez9850]

The missed opportunity was that the soulnado didn't turn him human again and still keep his Noob Saibot powers (no ice powers) and still be an asshole.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Instead of continuing with Noob Saibot we got frost Who is a bratty sub zero Yep, that was a great use of a space on the roster

[@HalstenSnowborn]

Speaking as a guy who's only real MK experience has been with MKX and MK11, knowing the history of Bi-Han/Noob Saibot and how his character is tied to Scorpion and Sub Zero/Kuai Liang, it actually frustrates the hell out of me that they did nothing with Noob in MK11 and just jobbed him out to Sub Zero, Jax and Jacqui Briggs in two throwaway fights, and how they gave the kill of Scorpion/Hanzo Hasashi to D'Vorah of all people. Everyone else in the comments has pretty much already said everything I could say about it, but it's such a huge waste of good and satisfying storytelling potential that they had D'Vorah kill Hanzo instead of Noob. Hanzo's past finally catches up to him as Bi-Han gets his revenge after all these years, and it creates this big emotional moment for Scorpion as he sees for himself the fate that his rage and lust for vengeance will create for him unless he lets go of it. There's so much wasted potential in MK11 when you start to learn about the backstory of the series and its characters

[@seasonembrace3624]

There’s a lot of cool background elements in this series that I wasn't aware of. I enjoy watching your vids Snake.

[@The13thElysium]

I'm sure you'll bring it up in the Sareena episode but Noob's relationship with her could have been interesting to see if she had been in MK11. He could have even been a mentor to Frost to help turn her against Kuai Liang.

[@QueenNagaJacie]

I may like the 2nd timeline MK Games, but I do agree NetherRealm has made Poor Choices

[@Lupo32]

i just treat it as a alternate retelling with new plot twist

[@TheLatiosnlatias02]

I am doing fanfic prequel trilogy. I'll be doing a remake of MK Armageddon next

[@andrewquick4176]

The writing of NRS is fucking DREADFUL

[@ellure]

we need a Cetrion wasted plotential, her only character trait is blind obedience to Kronika

[@The4thSnake]

I have on planned, but I'm struggling to make it work because MK11 is so nonsensical in its premise.

[@blackbatman3152]

It’s really sad I don’t get the emotion from the new storyline because that is utterly Impossible at this point But I get it from Knowing how great the characters were and could have been if there was thought put into it too bad. Thanks Snake for this fantastic video

[@Zaire_39]

Man its not looking good for Bi Han in MK1 it looks like they’re making him a one note villain when he was never such a thing as Sub Zero. I don’t know why this misconception that Bi-Han is evil by nature persists when there is loads of evidence that supports the contrary.

[@Layd36]

I guess NRS always needs the bad guy trope and stick to it cause it's more expensive writing characters into a different light, again these big companies are just buying off franchises and cashing in on favourite characters and keeping them villains for merchandising and marketing purposes

[@shamarbarrett9958]

Yea I noticed that too , idk why either 😂😂

[@Zaire_39]

@@Layd36 it’s really not more expensive. Netherrealm are just full of idiotic that can’t do their fucking research or even make a good idea to save their life.

[@undead923]

Poor Noob. Only a shadow of what he could have been. Twice. (Check W.P on best MK girl for info). I also loved how you altered lines of the VA's to make it blend with their presented stories. Now that you mentioned Taven, is there any potential that any of the Konquest characters (Shujinko, Taven, Daegon, etc) had shown and wasted. Shujinko and Taven's journeys balled up to "Beat the beast, save the day" but with context.

[@MiniBlackWaltz]

Pretty much every character in the Netherrealm era of MK was treated terribly. At this point, I have absolutely no more hope left for Netherrealm or MK, the next reboot is gonna suck just as much as the last one did, if not more

[@rebirth2526]

As someone suggested in MKX era on when NRS reveal Sub Zero in roster and people thought Sub Zero in MKX is more likely Bi-Han who come back as Sub Zero than Kuai Liang at first. It should really be Bi-Han but no, NRS is too afraid to go for continuation from new 2011 timeline and the focus is so much on Kombat Kids. If Bi-Han is really Sub Zero in MKX then we could have something like this timeline Bi-Han become Grandmaster instead of Kuai Liang. Also, Bi-Han more neutral side could be use in many many ways like in the late episode of MKX than Bi-Han decide to save earth realm in the last moment and try to fight to save Kuai Liang who still revenant(or Cyber form) on Quanchi's side. Also this is very important in MKX, Bi-Han should be the one who should make amend with Scorpion instead of Kuai Liang.

[@isaaclegend5939]

Man bi han use to be in the same tier as lu Kang he was once a champion of earthrealm...

[@TheBatspecter]

Noob is my favorite video game villain of all time, and I feel like they should've done more with him.

[@PK-ow1kj]

Noob saibot voice at 5:40 sounds absolutely phenomenal. I wish this was his voice instead of that crappy nail in the chalkboard voice.

[@raptormage2209]

'I'll get you next time gadget. NEXT TIME''

[@TheNemesis432]

3:34 In story mode Hanzo actually mentions what Noob was destroyed by Soulnado to which he gets a response from Noob what "Quan Chi's creations do not die so easily". So this is Bi-Han from the present, not the past. It's obviously doesn't explain how Noob survived (probably Kronika saved him), but it never was explained exactly how Scorpion "escaped to the Void" from Soulnado as well. But "Soulnado has made us stronger" is definitely a bs (as is a lot of other pre-fight dialogue). How almost dying from getting to Heaven or being ripped by souls supposed to make him stronger?

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

scorpion got saved the elder gods,that's why he survived it I think. I don't know about noob,the MK story makes no sense anymore

[@machinamedia1797]

those false intros you made were some of the best I've seen. wish the were really in the game keep up the good work

[@DinoGoodley]

Those pre-fight dialogues you made were 👌🏻👌🏻

[@The4thSnake]

Thank you.

[@Cinnamon_Rolls_In_Pantry]

Your idea of having bi Han and kuai liang fighting noob and cyber sub zero is amazing They could add bi Han skins for sub zero and heck they could just add cyber sub zero as a playable character

[@kingenderraptor]

When you're about to fight your rival that you've been wanting to kill your years but you realize its his chapter... *"God Fucking Dammit"*

[@AlegoUnkownFanboy]

As a Noob fan I was really disappointed with him in Mk11 story mode like he had the perfect opportunity to seriously rage on Scorpion and have a true moment with his brother but nope

[@TheLatiosnlatias02]

I wish a few things storywise: A number of minor mentioned/scrapped/forgotten characters and realms from films, cartoons, conquest, legacy, books even games were involved in future games like taking part in the Battle of Armageddon. But the outcome will be different like Taven negates everyone's powers. Ashrah purified Noob thus allowing the reconciliation between the brothers and therefore allowing a new alliance between Lin Kuei and Shirai Ryu ninja clans. Kitana goes into the past where here first encounter with Mileena occurred. Then Kitana instead of being like before which was jump to conclusions, she could have lectured Mileena the same way with Baraka, granting her new life free of Shang Tsung. If Baraka, Scorpion, Erron Black and Shiva became good, why not Mileena? Ermac? Cetrion? Geras? Ashrah purified even Onāgá as well as Empress Kreeya. With that done, Kotal explains to Onāgá, Kreeya and Dairou that Kitana is now empress who did better job than Shao Kahn. Onāgá will be with Empress Kreeya and Kotal be with Jade. Dairou? No idea... Shiva, Mileena, Baraka, Jade, Onāgá, Kotal, Kreeya, Zeffeero, Dairou would even pledge their loyalty to their new empress. Liu Kang (still fire-thunder fused) could perhaps have a happy ending too. Kitana forms an all-female fighting force (Lì Méi, Sonya, Jade, Mileena, Shiva - except Sindel being killed for being a gold digger) and banish the Forces of Evil to the Netherrealm. Khameleon restore Zaterra with the help of Ferra & Torr and a redeemed Reptile as well as Chameleon. Perhaps, Khameleon could be ruler of Zaterra. Sonya (similar to Mortal Kombat Armageddon ending) annihilates Black Dragon and Red Dragon with Jax observing "Damn, you barbecued his ass".

[@lilshokan]

They made it seem like that is the same bi-han though because Hanzo says "you were killed swallowed by the soulnado" and he responds with "quan-chi creations are hard to kill"

[@ethanarc]

@The4thSnake: The 'Injustice 2' Green Arrow thing really got to me, cause when we 1st heard Green Arrow would be in Inj.2, I had a huge smile on my face cause in my mind it meant they would make Connor Hawke take up the mantle because of how his father died, but Nope...alt universe Ollie

[@johnny_Quasar]

I just wish the bad guys could get a story chapter too

[@AllardRT]

I could listen to you rip NRS' writing to shreds for hours. Beats replaying the goddamn games, that's for sure.

[@TheGamingZone-]

i been saying this for a long time, revive the original sub zero Bi-Han, just have two sub zeros Bi han keep his saibot shadow powers tossing out ice clones would be better then having another meaningless death

[@legionbeast]

So I did some digging and I found some interesting info. As we know, Bi-Han did the famous Spine Rip fatality. This is canonically how he killed Hanzo. We also know this is a reference to Predator. However, after a bit of digging, this fatality (and even Kano's Skeleton rip) seems to also tie back to the mythical/fictional technique known more commonly as the "Touch of death". I'm sure you've seen SOME version of it somewhere, but basically someone hit with a seemingly ineffectual attack only to die a moment later or in that moment, suffered a crippling injury. One version of this is the "assassination fist" where said assassin could "remove his victim's spine, hips, and ribcage" with a single striking punch and "not leaving a mark on their body". I bring this up because Kuai Liang focused on cryomancy for his techniques as opposed to his martial arts, possibly implying that Bi Han was much more skilled in his martial arts than Kuai Liang, but was not quite as proficient in his cryomancy.

[@voiavictor]

Jobber? I see someone is following the fighters den. Neat

[@4thswagkage]

Shang Tsung, Quan Chi, Bi-Han(As sub Zero but be killed waaay later during the story mode by Someone meaningful saving Kuai liang) That could’ve appeared in Mk11 Kotal Khan: “Yes I killed Goro in the background” The Time travel plot happens Goro: *I lived Bitch!*

[@mkmike4903]

It would've been cool if they made Noob an actual ninja like in deception with both ice and shadow abilities instead of this Jeepers Creepers get up.

[@michaelmccoy1794]

....briefly mentions mk11 shao kahn, and IMMEDIATELY assures us that "oh he's getting his own [wasted plotential episode], DON'T you worry!" 😃😁😄😆😂🤣

[@Blacklung.0]

The thing that annoyed me the most is bi han was the strongest ninja back then since he beat shinnok Shang Tsung quan chi scorpion sareena

[@jero667]

5:27 man I *loved* these interactions!!

[@jennifercorbett8640]

Kabal as Cyborg Sub-Zero is just brilliant.

[@speedystarwrekoffical]

It would be cool if noon killed scorpion making kaui Liang feel bad but then noob tries to convince him to kill sektor and play can choose if sub zero does or not and then noob will realize his ways in either outcome

[@OriginalKingJulian94]

I keep loving these videos, it makes me feel happy to go back to the original lore.

[@ItPreach]

0:13 - 1:09 I haven't seen a fictional sibling relationship so clumsily written since Ruby and Yang from RWBY.

[@wargun1000]

Those character intros make me sad they aren't in the actual game. Just curious but do you plan on making any more of those? Its always cool to see dynamic intros between certain characters, even though some really great ones aren't actually In the game itself. (Again like the ones you showed) Some ideas I have based on the subject....(granted there's no audio, unlike you're examples, but still...) Noob: "Pity, you reverted to your inferior self." Sub-Zero: "More honorable than what you have become." Noob: "ENOUGH!" Sub-Zero: "Do you enjoy being Quan Chi's slave?" Noob: " You call it slavery, yet the power I posses surpasses even you, little brother." Sub-Zero: But how long will it last, Bi-Han? Sub-Zero: "If only Sareena could see you now..." Noob: "I will convince her never the less." Sub-Zero: "Better yet, let us free you, Bi Han. Before it's too late..." Bi-HanSZ: "You're stance is off-balanced, try again!" Kuai LiangSZ/Tundra: "I'm giving it my best, Bi-Han!!" *(Sounding like a slightly more energetic Steve Blum to show how younger he was at the time)* Bi-HanSZ: "Then stop slacking, and show me!" Bi-HanSZ: "Going somewhere?" *(Very calmly)* Kuai LiangSZ/Tundra:" You treat me like a child!" Bi-HanSZ: "You must understand, things aren't like the way they were back at the village... Lin Kuei is our home now." Bi-HanSZ: "At last, I am proud to call you my equal." Kuai LiangSZ/Tundra: "I am honored, Sensei." *(Now back to regular Steve Blum SZ voice)* Bi-Han: "BEGIN!" Sub-Zero: "Don't make me do this...." Noob: "Our paths have now crossed, Kuai Liang...." Sub-Zero: *gets in fighting stance, but doesn't say a word* (only showing the emotional pain through his eyes.) And for the hell of it, here's some for Tremor back in MKX...because he had very few interactions with SubZero too if I recall correctly. (Which surprises me, you'd think him being former lin kuei would result in more dialogue between the two.) Sub-Zero: You could have been a brother to us. Tremor: And yet, you exiled me... Sub-Zero: A true warrior must learn discipline. Tremor: Grandmaster... Sub-Zero: Perhaps in another life, you too could have been worthy of that rank. Tremor: A meaningless title, nothing more. Tremor: Bi-Han nearly killed me! Sub-Zero: You pushed it too far, Tremor! Tremor: Because of course, Sektor could do no wrong... Tremor: Little Smoke can't help you now... Sub-Zero: It is unwise to underestimate your opponent. Tremor: I should be telling you the same thing, Cryomancer.

[@The4thSnake]

It's limited to what clean voice clips of the voice actors I can get a hold of.

[@rubyll919]

8:02 “Did he and Kabal just fuck off on holiday somewhere?” That’s the line I use whenever someone just disappears at the face of the earth in any story.

[@cliffbot638]

Unrelated but I just found your fanfiction account. Great stuff. Will there be an update soon?

[@The4thSnake]

Today.

[@bruceborden9775]

Let's talk about how bi-han defeated the elemental gods but loses to scorpion?

[@godzillagurus576]

And loses to sonya 🤦‍♂️

[@bruceborden9775]

@@godzillagurus576 facts, almost like netherrealm purposely ignores midways established power scaling

[@godzillagurus576]

@@bruceborden9775 i swear mortal kombat and dragon ball have the most incosistent dumbest power scaling ever

[@godzillagurus576]

@@bruceborden9775 i think it’d better if they decanonize mythologies cuz it wouldn’t make sense why tf is bi han losing to humans yet he can beat some gods

[@deathrangerrk9359]

They seriously should have noob in mk12 and have him actually pose a threat and maybe have an oh I don’t know A STORY ARC

[@DONDON-ct1tl]

3:29 is really fucking good noob and smoke trying save him instead of killing him only if nether realm studios will do the fucking shii

[@user-bi9tp8zb9k]

I really want NRS to stop making Mortal Kombat and have someone else give it a go. I like the gameplay but hate the story. I think Iron Galaxy would do a better job because they did Killer Instinct justice imo.

[@The4thSnake]

They made TJ Combo a cool character by drawing on both versions of his previous incarnation to create an arc for him. That's exactly what MK needs.

[@derschafer1012]

Here’s how I would have it go down; Noob defeats Hanzo Hasashi, mortally wounding him, leaving him for dead. Scorpion arrives too late to save him, and Hanzo issues him a dire warning about his evil past catching up with him, something about him becoming exactly like a Bi-Han. Realizing that his evil past was the reason for Hanzo’s ultimate fate, he repents. Kuai Liang, observing this true, manifest repentance, compares Scorpion’s redemption with his own brother’s final impenitence. He recognizes that every man is responsible for the path he chooses and therefore resigns his brother to his fate, deciding that people who don’t seek redemption deserve their fate and people that seek redemption deserve to have the chance. Noob confronts and defeats Scorpion, and is about to kill him, but Kuai Liang steps in and kills Noob, now accepting Scorpion as more of a brother than an ally of convenience. Scorpion asks why Kuai Liang chose to save him and kill his brother and he could give a small speech like “It was too late for a him. His time to change was when he was still alive. What little good there was in him died with Bi-Han. And he had a chance to redeem his soul and had so many warnings, yet chose to continue in his ways, sealing his fate as Noob.” It would serve as a cautionary tale with two similar stories where someone comes to a fork in the road and one took the left path and one took the right.

[@vaggos2003]

Interesting take. I'm definitely more of a fun of successful redemption stories, but this is an interesting tragic end for Bi-Han's story.

[@vaughnstamm8995]

I always thought noob was corrupted by his new power, more of a willing corruption which made him faster and stronger as well as giving him new powers. And that his corruption was an exaggeration of his worst traits but then mk11 he's just like grrr shadows

[@Lightagogo]

Wait wait wait, isn't Saibot the shadow

[@sieevansetiawan4792]

Yes

[@susietiktok7017]

They gotta do Bi Han justice in the next mortal kombat game! Like making him one of the main villians as they have in the upcoming movie! The o.g sub zero was always best imo even though im a scorpion guy i hate what they did to Bi Han

[@johnnyboy9484]

I can’t wait for his wasted potential on Night wolf

[@guy-ug5yp]

Let's hope that Netherealm studios make another mortal Kombat game that BI han is tired of being noob saibot and decide to be a good character *my god*