Bi Man Dissects Destiel in Supernatural [spoilers] (14)

[@PatyTWD]

Seeing that scene where they break up REALY looks like a Mexican soap opera, I was wondering "when did they start dating?What did I miss?? They kissed offscreen?! All the fanfics in my head were real?!"

[@merbel7155]

"Cas's love for dean saved the whole universe" 😭😭😭😭 thanks for putting out that perspective🙂 it's not like I was hurt enough before

[@thalia9789]

God, you can tell Dean regretted saying "why does that something always seem to be you?" the minute he said it. He looked legitimately shocked when Cas told him he was moving on 😭

[@angelaholmes8888]

Yeah that was a sad moment you can easily tell that dean regretted saying that

[@jcksparrowfan]

I still don't understand why CW tried to erase Cas and Dean after 15x18. Why greenlight a confession if you're just gonna scramble to cover it up, when you're not really covering it up successfully? It's like when my dog takes a shit and tries to kick dirt over it, but 1) I've already picked it up (everyone's already watched the episode) 2) He's kicking dirt in the opposite direction (the episode can still be watched). CW should just embrace it, jeez.

[@BobWessSPN]

This is the best description I think I've seen.

[@khyati7733]

Lmaooo

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

And I also enjoyed the revelation that chuck had no control over castiel in episode 17 and that all of the decisions that castiel has made throughout the series has been all his choices and the love that he feels for dean is real a love for one broken human could change a battle hearted angel wow 😃🥰😍💖💝

[@igneousmoon]

Cas having free will and the impact he has on everything. That in all the other universes/stories he was just a bad guy soldier. Our cas is the hero of everything

[@Starbornjude]

Cas and Dean drinking in the bunker almost directly parallels Crowley and Aziraphale’s Dinner date at the ritz and I love it.

[@E2010Gency]

The elevator music in the background of those emotional scenes is just... * chefs kiss * I remember my jaw dropping when Chuck explained that he never had control over Cas' behaviour because to me it made Cas the single most important character in the story. Without him Chuck's "ending" might have come to pass a long time ago because he had control over everyone else, as evidenced by his ability to "push" Dean. It honestly makes Cas' absence from the finale more brutal because here they were saying it wasn't just brotherly love that defeated Chuck, but Cas love for Dean, and Jack, and yes also Sam. So to then have a finale where they wanted to just center the brothers - they honestly didn't set that up in my mind with everything that did in this season and the few before that. After all this was the show that said "family don't end with blood." Also I don't think Dean was going to say I love you in purgatory - what he said was already 1000% more vulnerable than he normally is so we still got a lot haha! Just wish Dean said sorry again to Cas' face - that would have really sealed it for me as their making up (though my headcanon is that Cas stopped him for fear of what he might say, that it might trigger his deal with the empty). Anyway I'm going to stop now because this comment is already far too long! Another great vid 😊

[@kfogo7459]

yes, as you said, castiel is definitely one of THE most important characters in this whole show (if not even THE most important one lol) -- that's why i am always SO furious that both writers and characters inside the story so often behave as if cas didnt matter or wrote him out so much D:

[@audreyii6750]

I absolutely would not have wanted Cas to die less than halfway into the season, he gets so few screentime as it is, but I admit I love the idea that nearly losing Cas in purgatory (for a _second_ time) made Dean realize he was in love with him. Then _reuniting_ with him gave him the courage to confess! Also makes 15x18 that much more tragic

[@sdl1ishappy]

Is it just me or is Chuck the mouthpiece for the writers' resentment of Castiel's popularity and the fact that not only was he a fan favorite that they couldn't write him out or make him a villain? I also think this is only in part a function of Destiel, but of the fact that Cas's addition turned a duo into a Freudian trio. Sam=ID Dead=Ego Cas=Superego and once that dynamic takes root in a narrative, it tends to stick. Think McCoy/Kirk/Spock. In any case, I think the writers did resent Cas, resent Destiel's popularity, and resented falling into their own trap. Cas got them stuck between those viewers who interpreted Destiel as being in love and those who saw it as a loving platonic friendship and they knew they could never satisfy both sides because they had designed it that way. And they were pissed. Chuck's rage is the writers' rage. Cas is "broken" because he didn't function the way they planned, going all the way back to Season 4 when he was supposed to die after a few episodes.

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

I so totally agree with you on that 😊🤨🤔😉

[@sdl1ishappy]

​@@cynthiaholmes5124 It's pretty obvious! The Freudian trio thing turned Dean into the protagonist when it was supposed to be Sam and then they just didn't know what to do with Sam most of the time after that. Plus, they still wrote the end like Sam was the protagonist. There's an argument that you see all three of them as protagonists but they certainly didn't write it that way.

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

@@sdl1ishappy yes in the last few seasons sam basically had nothing to do except help take care of jack and mostly was pushed to the side so the show could focus more on castiel and Dean's relationship acting like a married couple 🤔🤯😤😬

[@HasnaaAlaa]

It's definitely not just u

[@gemqueen1866]

If the writers just stuck to the 'story' instead of being influenced by the fans we'd be ok. Once they started to slant the story in a certain direction and the fans liked it there was almost no way back, because by then they felt that they would lose fans if the story did not continue down the same road. An angel, a celestial being whose form is as big as a skyscraper, but housed in a male human vessel....professing love to a human being is a total mind-f***! Did the writers never consider this?

[@michellep4296]

Dean's prayer in Purgatory breaks my heart every time.

[@RenTheBarbarian]

Imagine “The Trap” but Cas and Dean go to the Purgatory in Miami instead 😏

[@burakcelikbilek1256]

Everytime I see the scene where Dean says "why is that something always seems to be you", I say stfu you don't mean that... 🤡

[@kateryna1611]

This scene kills me every time

[@burakcelikbilek1256]

@@kateryna1611 this scene emotionally damages me every time

[@oblivion1te]

that scene is an absolute *gut punch*

[@burakcelikbilek1256]

@@oblivion1te I know, right? I can't believe Dean actually said that ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ

[@oblivion1te]

@@burakcelikbilek1256 fr his jabs out of anger always stinG so badly.. same energy as when he told sam that he should've died instead of charlie at her funeral like DAMN so harsh..

[@filippa1434]

The line "I was leaving but you didnt stop me" hurt so much.

[@burakcelikbilek1256]

It feels like script writers said in the middle of the season "Hey you know what, I think we should do something else with all these destiel stuff" and after 17 they went like "naah fuck it". I hadn't actually realized that they emphasized the fact that castiel's love/inobededience got us so far, good catch. Btw I think it is cute as FUCK too!!

[@angelaholmes8888]

By the time the show entered the dabb era of supernatural all of the original writers had left except for dabb and singer at this point they didn't care about respecting the lore and mythology of the show plus the new writer's had only written for kids tv shows

[@distudio13]

Forced is the most apt description of this entire season! This was where I became completely baffled with the thought, “how can you feel like you are flying by the seat of your pants, and still be following a predetermined outline, at the same time?!?!” It really brought to a head for me the fact that almost nothing from the last 4 years actually felt intelligently plotted. It was all just an endless series of dangling a good idea on a fishing hook, only to either not follow through or completely yank it away. there is something just so cheap about the final season overall.

[@mffmoniz2948]

Knowing they would not get cancelled... and yet the seasons feel like plots done over the knee. Why?

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

Yeah even though Eric kripke made some mistakes and so did Carver when they were showrunners at least they did storylines that made sense and was leading to something that actually made sense but the dabb era was just so awful I really hope that this series gets a reboot someday he,s a great writer but an awful showrunner dropping storylines suddenly messing up characters like dean and rushing the final season 🤯😬🥶😠😡🤬

[@distudio13]

@@cynthiaholmes5124 Yeah, I'm trying not to get too specific with my issues with the last four years, since I know there will be time to talk about them on this channel later, but there were SO many issues with dropped ideas and straight up ret-cons that just burn me up inside with these last four seasons. Which I hate saying, because there are some single episodes that i am happy they got to make, but whoever was directly in charge of maintaining overarching story was not doing their job.

[@distudio13]

@@mffmoniz2948 Yeah, upon my rewatch of this season I really get the sense from the actors that they know everything they are doing this season in particular is going to amount to nothing. Then the bloopers just look like all of them slowly going crazy over it.

[@HasnaaAlaa]

I know cas made mistakes but he didn't run off with metatron behind dean's back, he told dean about metatron's plan to shut heaven & dean even helped him aquire cupid's bow (the second ingredients) so that one wasn't a lie, they were all tricked by metatron not just cas, sam & dean trusted metatron coz he helped them save kevin from crowley. I also wanna add that while cas was the one who chose to let lucifer possess him, sam was the one to insist on talking to lucifer & believed he was their only solution in the first place, cas just finished what sam started & even dean tells him that he did the right thing & that he did the hard thing that they didn't have the strength to do, even though lucifer turned out to be more trouble than it's worth. About the purgatory prayer, i 100% believe that dean wanted to say i love you & cas knew it coz he could feel longing & emotions so he had to stop dean from saying it & activating the deal, which goes nicely with my interpretation of the line "something i know i can't have" in cas's confession not being about dean not reciprocating but about cas knowing that dean loves him back but they can't have that happiness due to the empty deal, i believe the purgatory prayer is when cas knew for sure that dean loved him back, loved him for him not for his usefulness like he thought in 15x03, that it wasn't one-sided, that's why cas never considered speaking his feelings before that, but after purgatory he didn't speak his feelings only coz of the deal, it's all sad & heartbreaking but it makes sense to me since 15x03, 15x09 & 15x18 were all written by the same writer & he was telling this cohesive story of a fully requited tragic love story, cas reveals in 15x03 that he feels used by the winchesters often & that they never cared abt him, in 15x09 dean pours his heart out to cas telling him how much he means to him, cas overcomes his insecurities of being only a tool & finally gets the confirmation he needed on dean's feelings for him, in 15x18 cas allows dean to overcome his own insecurities about being only a tool (daddy's blunt little instrument), then that was bobo's last episode so everything goes to shit after that 😭, great video

[@jackiefloyd8003]

Brilliantly stated and I, and a lot of other fans, really saw and felt the same things that you did in those three episodes.

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

Sadly true bobo did a wonderful job on these episodes 😢😥😭🥰😍

[@kfogo7459]

oh WOW i never thought about it like that! i am mind blown right now! O__O! i have to think about this more, thank you for sharing!

[@ophelien4579]

Great video as always! About the head canon that Dean meant to say "I love you" in purgatory, I do agree that it's an unlikely scenario, but I'd also like to say I think he meant to word something differently than he did in the prayer, or add something to it. Not necessarily a flat out declaration of love (in a sense, the prayer was already one, the same type of "I love you" that Dean's "I need you's" are) but perhaps on top of the "I'm sorry" and "I should've stopped you", he would've said something along the lines of "I'm really glad you're still here". Cas *understands* it, since the dynamic between the two gets back to normal, but (and I hope I'm not projecting my own feelings in saying this) maybe he would've benefited from actually *hearing* that. Anyways, sorry about my ramblings! Excited about hearing what you have to say about the next episodes, and all the upcoming videos as well!

[@kfogo7459]

i would have LOVED for cas to get to hear it q_q he does not get much empathy or words of affirmation like that, so in my book this is a really big loss

[@kumaken]

I love the title Castiel Angel of Thursday, “Champion of Freewill”

[@angelaholmes8888]

So do I 😇🙂💯

[@JustEdgeOfficial]

I can not WAIT for your video further exploring Dean's bisexuality. It's something that's always been floating around and having an analysis of an actual bisexual person would really put things into perspective, i believe, for alot of people.

[@HereForTheShips]

I feel that Cas feared that what Dean was going to tell him, when Dean said he needed to tell him something in Purgatory, could trigger the Empty deal, regardless of whether it was the "I love you" or something else, so Cas stopped him. Cas probably didn't expect it to be an "I love you", though, since his suffering is rooted in the certainty that he can never have Dean romantically, but he may have believed that Dean wanted to apologize now to his face, and maybe Cas feared the feelings Dean's words might stir in his heart, if they were as heartfelt as what Dean just prayed to him earlier. These two honestly break my heart and they deserved so much better.

[@kfogo7459]

3:40 i am so mad about all that. the reason cas does hide things is bc he learned that from dean (and probably also sam) who does EXACTLY the same EVERY goddamn time, but at the same time dean always demands others tell him every freakin tiny little thing. cas and dean are pretty similar in a lot of ways and both have that stupid lone wolf syndrome where they dont communicate but think they can resolve everything on their own and both do it to protect others which then often bites them in the ass. dean feels the need to control everything to feel secure, but this also means he always wants to make the decisions and doesnt leave much room for others to decide on their own which i think is a huge problem. remember in the beginning when cas just openly wanted to tell the officer that they were looking for angels? he was a person who just told the truth back then and dean literally told him: "because we're humans and when humans want something really, really bad we lie." in the same fashion as learning by imitation that dean and sam always say they're fine if asked how they feel even if it isnt true, cas starts to do that too. that's why i dont think the wording "cas abused deans trust" is really suitable. this is a problem that goes two ways (or even more ways). also i really really hate this trope of creating drama by lack of communication -_- it is THE go to way for every piece of media that thinks it needs more drama. ofc in real life most of the drama and problems also come from miscommunication -- so i guess it is fair to a degree. but goddamn man, sometimes it just gets too much and it's just absolutely maddening and this is one of those cases to me for sure. disregarding character growth and having them fall back into old patterns is a problem this series faces a lot too anyway and this is also that -_-

[@StarLababy12]

❤

[@everydaisy]

i love how you use the anti-posession mark as a symbol for dean and the angel banishing sigil for cas and everyone just accepts that

[@StarLababy12]

❤

[@AnhelBrek]

Lmao I love that happy music playing on the background during all those sad scenes

[@glygriffe]

Yes! It felt like Hold music to me, and it was somewhat appropriate to the context of the scene. 🙃☺️

[@registeredjademark]

On one hand, I'm sorry uploading was such a pain in the ass and I wish you didn't have to deal with that. On the other, that jazzy little number you laid over the angst had me giggling the entire time and I want to see that in more destiel crack videos lmao.

[@matetraub7153]

No, you don't get it, this video series gives me life and serotonin. I'm so thankful for ylu commentaries, and once again this was amazing,and entertaning.

[@Kleineganz]

I have to admit, the lighting and framing in season 15 that remind me a *lot* of when I used to watch Days of Our Lives (yes, I remember Jensen from back in the day, when his sibling Sammi was a girl). It gives the season a very 'soap opera' feel. Even the confession scene -- acted so beautifully, but even that had a soap opera feel to it. Honestly, I'm falling for the tin-hats and the idea that they never actually defeat Chuck, and somehow that crazy ass ending was not an actual ending at all. (I guess if we get that promised reboot that Jensen kept teasing about, we may find out).

[@gemqueen1866]

Jared and Jensen made the right decision to end the show, the writing and plot lines were becoming as you say, more like a soap opera. They killed off so many characters who could've added to the tone of the show with their own stories and experiences interweaving with the Winchester's i.e: Rufus and Bobby, Ellen and Jo. Some point of reference and compass. Just a thought.

[@Kleineganz]

@@gemqueen1866 I was talking about how the scenes were lit and filmed, not the writing or plot lines.

[@gemqueen1866]

@@Kleineganz Oh I beg your pardon.

[@angelaholmes8888]

@@gemqueen1866 sadly you are right throughout the series the showrunners got rid of characters that had great potential but they just threw away like trash but I'm not surprised they did that

[@gemqueen1866]

@@angelaholmes8888 Re-watching some of the episodes particularly through the eyes of reactors make it even worse as they 'see' the details we may have missed first time around. And yes potential story-lines and missed opportunities abound which would have made this show fantastic. But slanting the show in a way that appeal to the 'fans' - and you know the ones I mean, served them ill and it showed too.

[@danielleb5016]

I'm so excited for the upcoming exploration of Dean's bisexuality! Also, great video as usual.

[@me.backwards]

ME TOO!

[@Sith_Lord_Sweetheart]

Bro. Perfect timing. Just made ☕ coffee, gonna be a good morning. 👍 thanks ❤🧡💛💚💙💜

[@KaylaChan90]

Knowing that Cas' scene in 18 was first thing written for him of the season and knowing it was working there.... knowing it was working to get them to The Trap, but yeah the pacing, even being aware of hte time was off. The break up... episode happened a week before my friends and I went to a convention.... the two of them are very strong souls to deal with how much I was pouting and ranting..... But looking back at their scenes now.... they all hurt more.... and would have been worth it.... if only Dean could have spoken back... replied..... or even not had all mentions of Cas removed.... or not had more scenes [Omitted] than there are seasons.

[@rileymcconnell8911]

Despair manages to be the most gay episode of supernatural and the most homophobic.

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

Yes it is I really hated the writers for killing off castiel like this when he finally confessed his love for dean only to just seconds later he dies 🤯😬😠😡🤬🥶

[@rileymcconnell8911]

@@cynthiaholmes5124 I’m actually fine with him dying, it very in character for him. I just want CW to let dean grieve for a bit and possibly try to bring him back.

[@rileymcconnell8911]

(In character to die for dean, I mean he’s done it like 10 times)

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

@@rileymcconnell8911 you have a great point on that 🤔

[@gemqueen1866]

@@cynthiaholmes5124 But Cas knew his deal with the Empty, once he was truly happy the Empty would come for him. Death was literally at death's door and this was his only way to save Dean from her by revealing his feelings and releasing the happiness that confession gave him to seal the deal.

[@filippa1434]

Cas sitting behind a tree in purgatory like a child that waits for mom to pick him up XD

[@yellohcards]

One thing I can't stand is that they completely ignored/dropped Cas' failing powers plot point.

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

That's exactly why I hate the last four seasons of supernatural they just do these storylines and then suddenly they would drop them like bringing gabriel back from the only to have him killed off a few episodes later and kaia the doppelganger from season 13 who appears in season 14 and then we never see her again I'm like this is so ridiculous and now castiel powers in season 15 dabb is an awful showrunner 😤🤯😬😠😡🤬

[@Hunter_VanderMatthews]

He healed him with the power of love! 😤

[@JasonBodine]

WB not only doesn't like footage from "The Trap" being shown, but for some reason they don't even want the episode aired! TNT keeps skipping that episode!

[@BobWessSPN]

What, really???

[@JasonBodine]

@@BobWessSPN Yep! In the last few run-throughs, they'll have "The Trap" listed in the channel guide on TV but are actually showing another episode in its place! Anybody's guess as to why, but I personally think its because of that scene in Purgatory where Dean prays. To me, that's the closest they came to making Cas' confession in "Despair" a reciprocation!

[@JasonBodine]

@@BobWessSPN I know you said it wasn't your take that Dean was going to say "I love you," lol, but that's the only reason I can think of that they're being so guarded with that episode!

[@jasonhill8506]

I don't know if anyone else notice this but the music in the background of Dean and cas fight is the same when cas die in season 12.

[@daughterofdarkness4938]

Great video as always, good luck with the dispair copyright problem. The watermark and sound thing isn't a problem at all. Whatever makes the video work.

[@gallopingbeansfoster]

So, you are theeeee only person I've heard make a case for Cas kind of deserving Dean's anger. People always say Dean was an asshole (my husband included), and I always have to point out that Cas has trouble asking for help, and letting people really know what he's up to, thinking of course he can save them from death/pain. Dean IS an asshole, for sure. Full stop. However, I guess me (personally), I am more forgiving of his anger because 1). We all know John Winchester, and 2). Although I'm not a supernatural hunter, I get Dean's issues. So, from Dean's perspective, I'm always looking at Cas, like WTF???-You know this is going to piss him off. Dean closes off too, but again, Cas should know why he does this. We really don't have a lot of insight as to why Cas does things. It might be to keep people safe and all, but isn't that what Sam and Dean are always trying to do also? Like, they're all on the same freaking team...Team Free Will! THEN that whole things with Cas' powers fading, I was so happy I wasn't the only one asking, you did? when??? ALSO, have we (the DeanCas fandom) noticed that Dean does the quick back and forth eye thing when he's sad or wants to say something, and this happens A LOT with Cas? And Bob, you DON'T think Dean was going to say those 3 little words??? I'm shocked, and respectfully disagree. Here's why. When they are talking about the leviathan blossom, Dean's face is so soft, his eyes are sooo loving. Then after Cas says I heard you're prayer, and then Dean gets that look of "What now? oh ya?" Dean knows Cas can hear his prayers. Even in Purgatory. So even IF he thought he was praying to Cas, and Cas was already dead, finding him alive again would have disproved that. So, why would Dean (who doesn't talk about feelings) have the need to say what he already said that he knew Cas heard??? I don't think he would have. Plus, remember Purgatory is the more pure place to Dean, and he hugged Cas for the first time there. That plus their current circumstance of being in Purg with time running out, and whatever going on back home, I think would have been enough to finally make Dean realize he needed to SAY IT NOW, like THIS IS MY CHANCE. But then, he didn't but I swear to Jack, Cas knew he was loved in that moment! Their kind eyes to each other, the lilt in Cas' voice on the word "prayer." And like you said, since both actors were now aware of what was coming in Despair, and both of them being great friends, I truly believe Jensen would have wanted to put that in there for Misha leading up to Despair because he was "so proud" of Misha because he knew this was something Misha wanted, ya know? And...That photo is cute as fuck! sorry so long.

[@Yugenin]

This series is the shit!! 💎 I have shipped Destiel since the beginning (12 years ago, holy shit!), but I've never agreed with how most of the fandom interpretates all those teeny tiny moments, which are used as evidence for this ship. It is so enjoyable to see a levelheaded, realistic take on things, not to mention the added insight to the whole industry. Thank you for the great work you've done on this! Looking forwards to the last few episodes!

[@deansedits]

I so badly needed to hear the beginning of this video. As a hardcore dean girl and also a destiel shipper, it has always made me mad when sometimes how Dean's abandonment issues are ignored and how Cas leaving him or sort of betraying him perpetuates that. I love Cas so much but in the spn community I have had to fight a lot when people say dean is an asshole for reacting like that. Sure dean has anger issues that's why I loved the prayer in The Trap bc I feel it sort of helped him recognise those issues & feel a little lighter by forgiving Cas. Dean and Cas are both my babies. But Dean's pov of why he feels the way he does is somehow not recognised and dean sometimes get villainized bc of that by some people. I also agreed with how some of the moments felt forced even though I find them cute as well. The moment where Chuck reveals that the only thing that was real was Dean & Cas's relationship and how Cas is the embodiment of freewill was so impactful. Cas's freewill saved Dean & saved the world too. This was an amazing analysis. I loved it. Can't wait for the next videos.

[@mimimurlough]

I've been hating on Dean a lot for the last few seasons, so it was interesting to see his point of view of their spat. Cas screws up a lot, doesn't he? Looking back, season 15 looks kind of underdeveloped in buildup towards the confession, at least in the later half. I honestly thought it was something they threw in late in the game at first, as the second half of the season is feels less gay than most of the ones before it. Oh, and blaming Dean's behavior on Chuck, that was a good one! Great work as usual. I can't believe we're nearing the end

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

Yeah I think the producers and the writers just wanted to get this final season over with and be done just like dan and dave did with game of thrones they practically did the same thing in their last seasons of game of thrones 🤔😬🤯🥶🤪🤬

[@kfogo7459]

they all screw up a lot and also manage to get a lot done successfully. i guess if the stakes are always so high screwing up happens more easily and often and is also way more awful when it happens. also, in terms of that i always wonder how much plot armor dean and sam had from chuck and how much of it cas got. i feel like cas got set up for failure a lot in between. there is a time when nothing goes his way and i wonder if it was chucks doing or just the writers generally who wanted to punish him for whatever reason

[@natashadarko3066]

Okay so I noticed something when I rewatched supernatural. This is my personal opinion but I don't think Dean is mad at Cas because of Rowena or Mary. The way he was like 'I forgive you. Of course I forgive you', looked at him as he was leaving, kept their conversation short, and how mad he was at the lack of free will made it feel, to me, that he was simply mad because his relationship with Cas is fake. Like everything they feel for each other, everything they have done for each other, everything they have been through was forced onto them. Like the one other person he loved other than Sam was placed by someone else. I feel like he is even more upset that he can't halt those feelings, which he attempted to do in rapture. This made the whole season more watchable to me but... I could be stretching this.

[@angelaholmes8888]

Glad you're able to rewatch this season because I know that I never will it was terrible it doesn't come anywhere close to season 5

[@MsSwthrt102]

As always, living for these. Have a great day!

[@jaciewall9108]

Yay you uploaded I love your videos! ❤️

[@oliviapassarella6842]

the jazz music really caught me off guard i had to rewatch the video i was laughing too much LOL

[@rose_mnor]

During my first watch, I didn’t know that people thought Dean was going to say ‘I love you’ to Cas, in purgatory. What I did think of was, Dean, YOU ONLY HAVE LESS THAN 3 MINUTES LEFT !!! Quit talking and just go through the portal already! You can talk to Cas to your heart's content then....

[@anfearaerach]

Don't you just want to shout "JUST HUG DAMMIT" at two blorbos

[@ForestNurse1406]

God... Your words up to 4:57 were... really meaningful for me. About Cas always went dark for, what he thinks, a good reason and right thing.. but usually - always - ends up with new biger&biger problem or betrayal And Dean forgives. Understands. But now.... Aits just too big maybe Dean is such a Dean. He neads, desperately needs to people whom he cares about, family - stays wth him. Without asking. 'Cause #overprotection and..yea( But Cas... He is not... even same species . He is an angel. And I think ... Maybe Cas's nature means still much for his decisions. Angels need permission. Cass needs to hear that he is wanted. But....here we are😢 10:22 "We call it life"... It is interesting that now Castiel, an angel, teaches a person the realities of being ... )

[@asheraltman5448]

I'm an aromantic, so my perspective may be different, but (and I know the writers would've never thought of this) would putting Dean and Cas in a qeerplatonic relationship be just as satisfying as them being in a romantic relationship? They were already kinda in one and or might solve some of the problems that the people making the show had with putting them in a romantic relationship.

[@glygriffe]

Your comment had me thinking about Ed "I love you" to Corbett in Gosthfacers. While it was evident that Corbett fancied Ed, the declaration that makes him breaks his echo loop was not sexual in any way. And it was a really heartfelt truth taht was being said. (I understand that it is a different concept and that I know nothing about what a queerplatonic relationship could feel/look like. This is just me surfing on what you said ☺️)

[@mufalo]

Side note chonky dad bod s15 cas gives me life

[@ainsleykinney6325]

i was so excited to see the next part of this series had been uploaded! thank you for sharing your insight with us.

[@erineko1847]

No matter how much you mean to appreciate the work put into this last seasons, I cannot forgive how inconsistent and chaotic the plot has been since the introduction of the English Men of Letters. The main issue I have is the way every death is rendered meaningless in sake of keeping characters returning mostly to appease the fandom. The romance is treated in a very cheap way, sometimes it looks like a bad soap opera and in the end they aren’t even able to own their decisions.

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

You are so right I just started rewatching the early seasons and even though Eric kripke made some mistakes but not as bad as Andrew dabb has in the last four seasons the storylines in the final season is so weak and ridiculous 🥶🤯😬😠😡🤬

[@Oreo-vh7rk]

I just gotta keep myself healthy and alive in case they decide to do a reboot in 20 years time

[@gemqueen1866]

Agreed, I'm so aggrieved by the story of the boys as told by the fans and their febrile imagination.

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

You are so right about that scene with rowena as much as I love her this wasn't right I didn't like it but I did love it when castiel goes off on dean in purgatory and when dean apologizes to castiel for the way he was treating him jensen did a good job in that scene but still season 15 was awful 😬🤯🥶😠😡🤬

[@kateryna1611]

Thank you for making these videos, they always make my week! 😌

[@vuyokwakweni2147]

WB works hard, but BW works harder

[@vuyokwakweni2147]

The purgatory apology scene is one of my favourites but i can’t get through it with the music🤣

[@musicalriotgrl1]

I don't know the big fight kind of seemed in character to me it's like you said this thing with Cas and Dean keeps happening over and over since like season 6 this is just like the big explosion of it it makes sense to me I love it cuz I'm here for the drama parents divorce or break up because of a child dying because it's too much guilt and pain so I get it I do agree with you that the whole Dean treating Jack like that when he came back is really out of character for him and I did not like it especially since Jensen says in a interview that he used to see Lucifer's in Jack and then he started to see Cas so there's no way he would act like that towards him screaming like Jack's not family worst Dean character moment of the whole entire series there's an even wilder theory that Dean does say I love you in the Purgatory prayer scene but it was dubbed over

[@mysticmajestic2360]

What hurts about the fight is that Cas lingered long enough for Dean to say something to convince him to stay, but Dean wasn't able to get past his anger, confusion, and hurt in order to do it.

[@RandyJoseMarchenaSequeira]

Love it... And Cass free will it's so overlook by the fans, people are so focused on hating him, that undertaining that they (the 4 of them) where not part of the plan, even Chuck said the that's why he's so obsessed with them and keeps changing he's script, because they keep doing things that he didn't write... Cass keeps messing with him for the boys (or Dean, personal opinion) and Chuck obtains entertainment to a certain point.

[@dianamijde5543]

awesome like always

[@dylancole1910]

Warning VERY LONG: enjoy my novel of a comment😄 1. I think that whole thing was just honestly exhausting. I mean, it's fine and there's always a little bit of back and forth conflict but this ran a little too long for me. It would be boring if they were happy and smiles and best freinds all the time but if felt as if they were further trying to distance themselves from Destiel. I can see where you would think that, Cas' last goodbye was not long after they hugged and made up. Though, I kind of think that this was another stepping stone in learning to stand up for himself despite making a mistake. Let's just call this arc a love hate thing. 2. I don't necessarily think that time should really be judged here. I mean, so much was going on and had happened in such a short amount of time. He's losing people, one of which he's blaming Cas for. He's angry at God, angry at Jack, at Cas, at Belphegor...pretty much everyone and he's tasked with trying to save the world and get rid of a ghost apocalypse. Tell me that wouldn't leave a grudge for the span of a few weeks, even months. We all know how Dean gets angry and though he can act like he's fine, it really takes him much longer than most to forgive, even the people he cares about most. It felt in character for him at least ( Dean). 3. Sometimes I just wish we'd get a scene where Dean explains why he hates when Cas leaves and Cas explains why he feels he has to leave all of the time. BUT then we wouldn't get the classic SPN drama which is the reason we watch the show. Besides the characters and plot.😂 4. Good intentions is a slippery mind set, because you can trick yourself into thinking your doing the right thing simply because the end result is FOR someone. I feel a lot of sympathy for Cas because before, he was doing things to satisfy heaven-but now, he's doing things for Dean( well, mostly. The angels falling was more of a result of wanting to make heaven better-which who could blame him for that) anytime he does anything it's either to make life better for Dean, or to make life safer for those Dean cares about. 5. The phon scene. Have nothing to say about that except it was just hilarious. It was very much the married couple spat. More than anything I've scene on this show. 5. Cas considers saying " hey Dean" as " Trying" that's both heartbreaking and kind of funny at the same time. But I think maybe he was just calling attention to Dean's habit of stopping him in his tracks before he can barely get words out. Dean has this weird thing where he thinks he doesn't need to hear explanations. Cas has been around Dean so much that he doesn't want to not have Dean, especially since Dean and Sam are the two people he can defiantly trust. So he does what I think a lot of us do when we're afraid to lose or defy or disappoint the ones we love. We just don't say anything to rock the boat-or we go off to " solve the problem" on our own. 6. Cas' speech on why they shouldn't give up the fight, why they should keep holding on. It was honestly perfect. Though it did little to really change much, you could tell that last comment really shifted things and it was the start of their relationship starting to mend again. I could deal with the long drawn out, heated scenes just to eventually get to that. The last line though: most want to read that as a clear admittance that Cas was in love with Dean. But even though I was a pretty hardcore shipper by then. I saw it as it was probably intended and the message just got to me. Through all of that he was trying to re-convince Dean that what they did mattered. One of the best scenes, right up there with the confession, of course. 7. I agree with you on the Rowena in hell bit. While it was definitely entertaining I feel like it was just a scene that seemed abrupt. 8. DUDE I THOUGHT THE SAME DAMN THING. Rowena's comment, Cas' comment about his powers failing. I was already angry and expectant that somehow they were going to kill him off. Glad they didn't but now the whole drama just seemed like it led to nowhere. Though I'm glad, because then the masterpiece that is the confession wouldn't have happened and Cas wouldn't have died happy. Even if that ended and he was basically sentenced to suffer in the Empty. 9. " Just stop being so stupid!" Single best line Cas has EVER. uttered. 😂 10. The background music you have during the footage of " The Trap".. I had to laugh a little as it didn't fit the scenes being played out AT ALL. It was so faint I didn't hear it at first. 11. Lastly.. when him and Cas reunite after the prayer. I don't think that either. I just always thought that he wanted to reinforce the words said in the prayer just in Cas didn't hear him. Maybe to say another couple I'm sorry's and I forgive you's. But Cas said out right that he did here him, so he didn't need to waste time trying to apologize when he already pretty much poured his repressive, angry heart out in prayer.

[@kfogo7459]

just to add something to your point 3: "Cas explains why he feels he has to leave all of the time." -- cas has always been written as there for an episode, then gone for around 3, then back for one or two, then gone again and loop. to me it always seemed like 1) the writers wanted it to be about sam and dean more, not so much about cas, 2) they wanted to keep dean and cas away from each other and 3) it has something to do with cas' powers and how him being around all the time would make everything too trivial. that's why i guess he also had to lose his wings for example, they were just too convenient. if as a writer you bring a being into your story that can do so much you kinda fuck yourself over due to it, they give you the problem that you cannot easily create problems for them so to combat that the easiest "solution" ofc is to either cripple them or send them off as much as possible >_> but i definitely agree with you on how it would have been nice if dean and cas had just TALKED about it (◔_◔)

[@icetiel]

AAAAAAAAAA tombstone picture AAAAAAAAAAA

[@lovesickcowboys]

god i also use davinci and i totally relate to the beginning..... it is a Bitch to work with sometimes. nonetheless another great video!!

[@kfogo7459]

7:21 i know what you mean. frankly, i never really understood why dean is so angry about cas of all people and blames him so much for marys death. it's not as if he himself did something to her or could've known something like that would happen. dean and sam too knew exactly that jack was dangerous bc he basically is an all powerful baby and then without a soul even more so. to me it feels just like some writer wanted to set cas up for failure and abuse again, especially by dean as they like to do it. dean is often pretty harsh against cas especially. i always wondered if it might have something to do with him being an angel and powerful but to me it often feels as if he takes cas for granted, takes for granted that he always comes back to him, sacrifices everything for him, most of the time doesnt even get a thank you >_> they needed them to be angry at each other and fight, they needed the breakup to get a tragic reconciliation so that cas dying would hurt most and i dont like it -__-

[@MeZuMix]

*spoilers ending* 24:41 Here they revealed the show "I" was thinking I watched (after season 5). Cas is the key and that is why there are no longer just the two brothers. It was a great moment, because I thought, it showed how the show/story has advanced (as the society did whit the years), how everything fits together, how the characters have grown. It felt like they boys grow up (as we did) and they are really starting a live. With relationships, emotions, a further with a partner, live their life’s like they want as an individual and at the same time together in a way... The things most of us hope to find one day. (I mean Dean and Cas are loving and fighting as in a relationship and really really a big part of the story.) The show felt kind of natural, whit changing personals goals in live. Wow, a show that represents live and doesn't repeat itself over and over again, sticking to old goals they laid out 15 years ago. The subtext is no longer just subtext. Free will in the plot! (I hate all the shows were in the first episode you were told “that is the one true love, whatever happens”. So through aaaall the episodes you know the outcome anyway, because they told you in episode one. (How can I get excited when I know that it doesn’t matter what happens?) I really thought, ok this show will not make a turn back to season 1 where it all was just about the two brothers. All my fears, everything they told us how it will end may not really happen. And then I got hit with episode 19 & 20, where at least 9 seasons get swiped away (not to mention THE ENDING of Cas episode 18) and we end up as told. Disappointed but kind of one of the endings I imagined (because we were told so…). Last two episodes… next video… And for some stuff I just blame 2020 because that is easier to accept. ---------------------------------------------------------- @bobwess A few days ago, after I wrote my last comment I was thinking about why “I’m (just) slowly catching up”? As I’m more of a binger and especially on KZbin tend to watch everything in the highest available speed (so mostly double speed). Even if it’s not in my native language, which is German btw. Then I realized I never had the need to do that with a single one of your videos. I watch them all in normal speed. They are just too good to speed them up and I like to take the time to watch, think about it and comment. (But maybe I’m getting to the point where an e-mail would be easier…) To make it shorter: LOVE your content, keep going Bob!!! 😘

[@kfogo7459]

man! saaaame! i always get SO mad when they pretended during the series that cas was not important. like HOW?! he was basically one of THE most important characters and plot "devices" of this whole clownery! thanks for voicing that feeling and also that of sheer desperation when they fell back to the beginning. mannomann -__-

[@gemqueen1866]

Why oh why did they do this to the character that is Dean, the whole thing is just so confusing. Dean seems to be confused. The dialogue doesn't seem to fit. I don't know. I do appreciate your take on it but this is too much. The writers......what were they thinking!

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

Yeah you are so right the fight they had in episode 3 was way out there god I hate season 15 i really hate that there was no closure with castiel or dean because they both deserved it 😤😬🤯😠😵🥶😡🤬

[@gemqueen1866]

@@cynthiaholmes5124 Ikr, after all that the boys had been through along with Castiel, the ending badly let them down. After all with Cas being an angel his life was not to be on the earth once all conflict was over. Evil defeated and a God with an ego the size of the universe reduced to a quivering mortal - heaven and any remaining angels needed him back. The boys should have been fine. But instead we had this....I don't know - unsaid thing between Dean and Cas. Cas a soldier for God, and Dean more of a mercenary type who fights and bombasts his way through obstacles and life, his one thing...to keep Sam safe and protect those who came his way. Both ended up almost weak, pathetic and purposeless. Their journey did not suggest that this would be the outcome, that each would get what they want - Sam seemed almost destined to achieve fufilment only at Dean's demise that you then wonder, what was it all about? What was it for? Dean was more than this, he fought for this, as a character he was let down as if the writers just needed to finish him in the 'only' way possible. Poor show.

[@toryshea2158]

I agree. After episode 17 when Dean said "Jack isn't family," and then also threaten to take Sam's head off with a pistol, is when I think I said fuck this show because what? Who? That is not Dean Winchester. and you cannot convince me that it was because he was being manipulated by Chuck. Dude everything in this show just became so cheap and the furthest from the character's normal behavior as possible. They just really didn't know what they were doing huh. They probably didn't realize that by establishing the "big bad" for this season as Chuck being a puppet master for everyone (except cas?), was in fact completely tearing the show apart at the seems. They discredited everything the characters had done and gone through, but they didn't stop there, no they erased their character development as well :). I truly believe we couldn't have gotten a worse ending to a show built over 15 years. But thats just my opinion.

[@gemqueen1866]

@@toryshea2158 For sure, I was so confused by the way they 'watered' Dean down and all the skills and courage he gained just got lost. I can't even explain myself at this point as it makes no sense.

[@ForestNurse1406]

Ummm.. that music and watermarks kinda interfere with experiencing the scene of Dean's apology .. mmmm

[@blinkfilms1]

Gooood morning

[@eorozco2720]

I kind of disagreed on some of the things you said about season 15. Sure Cas made mistakes and kept things from Dean but I always knew why, and I understood. He always held back though even though he’s an angel and could have done worse. He did make mistakes and there’s no doubt about that but also it was Dean. Who did a lot not only against Cas , but also Sam and a lot of others. He usually came around eventually, but he also made a lot of mistakes and some of them to Cas. It’s not just Cas who is to blame for their fights. It’s also Dean because he won’t accept anybody else’s point of view. so even though some people that read this might get angry about what I’m saying, it is true and I don’t just blame Cas it was also Dean. Can’t keep up with everything for Dean and he didn’t have to do that. Sometimes Sam treated Cas better than you did. Again, it’s not like Dean didn’t do anything wrong. He did a lot I feel like you were very one side And if that’s what you believe then that’s OK but it’s also OK that I think differently. I do like your KZbin postings though I like a lot of what you say again I hope it’s OK that I disagree with some of what you say

[@psyolytesaille]

Morning ^-^

[@ManicMuppit]

'Cas did this which was wrong, and then did that (which was bad), then this (which was bad)'. Me: Nah mate, Cas has never done anything wrong ever. I do not see. 👁 👄 👁

[@ForestNurse1406]

Shit.... The story goes to en end😢😢😢😢

[@Rikora28]

Nah usually always with Dean but felt he was out of line & I do remember Cas trying to talk to Dean. But glad we got Dean's prayer to answer his side of it. I agree this whole season felt like forced Conflict tho I like that their relationship was so key & paralleled Sam/Eileen. I literally don't ever feel Dean would tell Cas he was "dead to him". Thought that was total BS along with Dean being willing to threaten Sam in order to kill Chuck. Along with saying Jack wasn't important to him. Dean was yanked everywhere this season for plot & it was upsetting. But I am happy Destiel was such a major focus this season

[@ForestNurse1406]

Buuut stiilll ... If Fean had not been there, Cas wouldn't speak up to him. Again. So... Neh/ Some stuff, I think, just cant be undone or retesch) Sorry)

[@bettiewilliams9990]

Part 16

[@bettiewilliams9990]

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