Bi Man Dissects Destiel in Supernatural [spoilers] (15.5)

[@RenTheBarbarian]

Frankly I don’t care who “tops” or “bottoms”. Let’s talk about who’s the big spoon and who’s the little spoon. (Spoiler, Dean is the little spoon.)

[@kimarusama1447]

Lol here here

[@BobWessSPN]

Now this I can absolutely agree with.

[@JustEdgeOfficial]

ok bottom/top thing aside, it's so god damn refreshing to have a bisexual man dissect this popular pairing. it's so well thoughtout and it brings new perspectives out and i just love it so much. I wonder if you saw the Cameo by DJ Qualls (Garth) where he got asked about if Dean had a thing for Garth and his answer was "I don't think so, and I'd know because I am a gay guy.... I do think there was subtext between Dean and another character, but I'm not gonna get into that"

[@BobWessSPN]

I have not, I'll have to look it up!

[@jcksparrowfan]

I see "Destiel" similarly to Rose Tyler/10th Doctor. A slowburn attraction that builds up through their experiences together until something tragic happens, there's a love confession and before the other could reciprocate, poof. Distance divides them. Unfortunately, unlike Rose and 10 who DO reunite in season 4, Dean and Cas don't get that resolution.

[@jennix8666]

I personally believe that if the fandom could explain that concept, that yes some people only want to see Destiel as smut and kinky sex shit but the majority are more invest in the clear loving relationship they had. That we lobe the emotional relationship they cultivated and thats what most want, not the clothes ripping and kinky sweaty sex scenes

[@innisneill7510]

So glad you pointed out the silent treatment is a red flag IRL. 🤟🏻

[@sdl1ishappy]

This is such a great analysis. I will chime in the following. 1) It's always nice to be reminded that the writers finally had a female love interest for one of the Winchesters that fans embraced, that she was a rare disabled character played by a disabled actor that's arc wasn't about her disability and that the writers effed that up, too. 2) I'm never comfortable with exposing actors to sexually explicit fanfic or fan art. They know their characters are fetishized, but it's still their bodies and they should be able to have some distance. There's so much talk about this show's homoerotic subtext that sometimes its blatant BDSM subtext is neglected and that's really something actors shouldn't have to deal with if they don't want to. 3) The actors did their best with inconsistent and vague writing over years, and they should also not be forced to answer for the writers/producers/network. 4) Dean is mostly a top, but he'd totally switch things up if he got comfortable enough with himself. 5) In the end, subtext is fun and it alights the imagination and so yes, I love thinking about all of this.

[@HasnaaAlaa]

Not all fans embraced eileen, the fans who are wincest, bronlies never liked her, coz they don't like any character that isn't sam & dean & especially characters who they see as *in the way* or come between the brothers 😏

[@RubyDynamite]

One thing I noticed about the scene in 4x07 is that Cas doesn't just smile - he actually *laughs*! It's completely noiseless laughter, granted, but you can see his body/shoulders shaking ever so slightly as he looks away. I noticed that when I was rewatching the scene a couple years back and it still makes my heart feel so soft and fluffy to this day. Gahbless Misha Collins for his subtle, understated genius. The Network and the show never deserved him. Dean makes this super obscure joke about war and got Cas, the most perfect and badass soldier for Chuck, to laugh. He made him *laugh!* No freaking wonder Cas fell for him - funny guys are always the hottest ;) But that just goes to show you what huge unbelievable nerds they both are - Dean can *make* a sarcastic fighty-nerd joke like that, and Cas *gets the fighty-nerd joke*. Like this is Cas's one and only case of "I understood that reference!" lol From here on in, it just gets more and more confusing for Cas wrt that dumb human boy. Also! I just had a brain wave about how/why Dean wasn't able to hear Cas when he was initially trying to communicate with Dean right after returning him to his body! I was thinking about those moments, and the fact that Cas clearly has *not* taken a vessel yet at this stage, and so what does that make him? A wavelength of celestial intent. Wavelength implies frequency and the way the angels communicate on the show has always been referred to as 'angel radio', so here's my thought: the reason Dean couldn't understand Castiel was because Dean is vibrating at an entirely different frequency from Cas. Why? Because Dean is Michael's vessel - an archangel - and presumably, as an archangel wavelength Michael would be undoubtedly stronger, whereas Castiel (as a seraph) might not even be on the same wavelength. Because Dean's bloodline is tied directly to Cain, to Chuck - the biggest of bigwigs in the SPN mythology - and hence is infinitely more powerful/power-supporting in comparison. The bloodlines theory could also explain why Demon!Dean was such an interesting character, as well - because Cain took over the Mark from Lucifer. If you figure demon smoke (wtf it's supposed to represent) is basically the equivalent of a demon's 'soul' or essence, or what have you - and you have Dean, from *thee* line of Cain, taking the Mark. Again, Dean is the Mark's perfect vessel just as much as he was a perfect vessel for Michael. That Biblical bloodline is some strong shit!

[@lelegold4178]

So how could gadreel possess Sam, who's also an archangel vessel?

[@RubyDynamite]

@@lelegold4178 Lesser can go into greater without much problem - not so the other way around.

[@lelegold4178]

@@RubyDynamite But then it doesn't really make sense why Castiel wasn't compatible with Dean.

[@RubyDynamite]

​ @lelegold4178 It wasn't that Cas wasn't compatible - it's that he was an angelic wavelength and Dean (even if he is part of Cain's original bloodline) was human at the time. So they were incompatible in terms of format rather than frequency, if that makes sense lol But rather than risk Dean's eardrums or his life any further, Cas just zipped over to Jimmy's place to pick up his new suit.

[@Bowsile]

‘Except in the end’ LMFAO

[@william_snakespeares]

Man, I love your analyzations of Destiel and Supernatural. They just seem so much more down to earth and realistic than some other meta I've seen going around Keep up the awesome work!

[@anon0124]

I appreciate that you stick pretty close to cannon in your analysis. That's the one thing we have for sure.

[@TheFryedIScream]

oh my god now that u said it...they couldn’t even give us a shot of dean sam and cas on the beach in heaven with their toes in the sand to mirror what dean said his ideal retirement would be. what the fuck. i’m on my Chuck actually won shit in my corner to cope

[@junichis.5097]

I honestly want to make a case for smut of these two, and for an actually sweet version of Dean, and an accidentally sweet version of Cas. There should be sweetness between Dean and Cas. Even the hardest soldier can go home to his wife and let his guard down and be sweet and vulnerable. They would too. It is my personal headcanon that Cas does at some point ask Dean why he chose to let the intimacy they have develop between them and after deflecting the question with a couple smart-assed quips he comes around and outright says to Cas' face "I guess, in spite of everything, when push comes to shove, I still believe in happily ever after." This being a nod to what Mary candidly says about John when Cas sends him back in time. That in spite of everything his Dad saw and did at war, he still believes in happily ever after. Some stuff I think Cas would say: "I know the best of you... and I know the worst. I've SEEN you at your ugliest. And after everything I've seen the scales still weigh in favour of the good rather than the bad, so I'll have you." "There IS an order to the universe... it is now what it always should have been; the current of an ocean, not fate - something defined in words, etched in stone. It only takes us to where we're supposed to be if we let it. Who we are for each other has always been about the choices we make. I choose you... whatever that looks like for you. In whatever way you need me, you'll have me." There's some damned profound stuff that could be said between these two and asserting that softness is foreign to Dean, robs the character of the chance to be so much more than he already is. On to more... practical stuff. This is probably obvious but Cas would be vers as fuck. It seemed like a natural progression (at least to me) for Dean to be versatile (after he and Cas work past the fact that he was canonically Jack-Randalled by Lucifer himself for what, decades? And the toxic masculinity, and the internalized homophobia). It'd be a long road to breaking down those walls for Dean. It would take divine intervention and well, guess what his boyfriend just happens to be! An angel. But I still say he would gravitate toward bein' the top. Like somwhere between a 60/40 and 70/30 split in favour of top. Bob nailed it when he pointed out that Dean's previous sexual experience is with being the penetrative partner. That pattern could SHIFT but I doubt he'd overcome forty years of being oriented that way. If you can't already tell, yeah, I've written smut for these two. I admit it. Like be-clever-but-shy-away-from-no-details smut. Might put even some porn to shame. The Dean and Cas inhabiting my brain while I write this thing seem to be pretty damned curious and enthusiastic respectively. Differs from person to person, obviously, but I hear tell those prostate orgasms blow penile ones away and the horndog we know Dean to be would be curious as fuck to know what that feels like. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I tend to take the approach with Cas and his angelic strength and senses can be dialled up and down, like Superman's was in Man of Steel. 12 years on Earth and he's learned how to exert some pretty fine tuned control over a human vessel. That doesn't change the fact that he would have a degree of inhuman physicality to him and he would be able to perceive things about any partner that would give him a decided edge when it comes to how to stimulate someone. That one little nerve that's gonna getcha good? Cas can probably see right through you and literally see the damned thing lighting up. I'm not yet familiar with how vesseling works and just how hard and fast that "no vessels but your designated bloodline" thing is. I'd be willing to bend the rules a bit and say that if Dean can house an archangel, he could house a seraph for an hour or so. So long as Cas was careful to watch Dean for signs of breakdown and injury, he could get out before anything truly damaging happened to Dean. I feel like there's a way to do intimacy between these two and not just do it... gratuitously. 100% of what I've written so far has had to do with emotional development, for both characters. If there isn't something to be gained from the scenario character wise, I leave well enough alone. I do take the time for it in the first place though because of something that, oddly enough, came out of Dean's own mouth: it's a beautiful, natural act. I know he wasn't referring to sex between men at the time, but I don't care. It's a truth that applies to all forms of sexuality and sexual orientations. The guy has a brain. When it comes to him and Cas, he'd figure that out. While the show itself would never go so far as to have these two get THAT intimate, I'm so glad Misha has finally broken down and said he would've wanted one last good, solid, unequivocal, "I LOVE YOU" HUG between the two, and Jackdammit is he right. That's how it should've ended. And that's how I'll end this rant. ;p

[@lichenlink465]

I have to agree on the Eileen thing. While I obviously don't know the writer's motivations here, it seems as though they thought bringing any relationship up other than Sam & Dean's brotherly love would somehow detract from it. Of course, by ignoring Eileen and Castiel after their exits they did exactly that -by making people go "WTF!?" - far worse than if they'd acknowledge these two in line with how they already established the characters & relationships in the first place.

[@rileymcconnell8911]

“they fucked hard in the end” i’m literally laugh crying on the floor of my bedroom.

[@jennilocke]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who is ok with destiel fanfic not having smut lol

[@anfearaerach]

I personally always found it kind of homophobic to assume that Destiel HAD to be smutty. I just wanted hand holding, maybe a loving kiss or more comfort because I'm a big softie. If I want smut I'll write it myself.

[@Evanescence1031]

So here’s my thing with the Mix Tape: 1. the fact of the matter is a mix tape takes time regardless of when he made it. He made it at some point and another point gave it to Cas. 2. Dean idolized his parents and their marriage and their love for each other. He knew they bonded like that over Led Zeppelin tracks. Not a coincidence. He could have made a ‘rock tracks’ mix tape, not specifically Zep. 3. He made it personal by calling it Dean’s Top traxx (I think he thinks the double x thing is just cool old school lingo or dialect). He wanted Cas to hear his favorite songs by his favorite band from a tape he took the time to make. 4. The mixtape reminds me of Tombstone when he says he made Cas watch the movie. MADE HIM. Like all excited to get his lovah all into his shit. Maybe it’s the 90s baby in me, but usually a mixtape is a gift for someone who’s a lil more than a friend. Honestly, I sweat that mixtape.

[@thewalkingcat5542]

2:30 That is actually a really good point and I missed it myself. Especially for Supernatural running for so long and having so many conventions and interviews it must be hard to always be in the right headspace when on camera... I hate it myself when someone comments on my facial expression when I am zoned out. So I will keep that in mind, thank you!

[@dylancole1910]

1. Exactly! There are videos all over the Internet micro analyzing Jensen's reactions to everything ranging from Destiel to season finale's to the actual finale, what he feels about certain people. And I've heard so many crazy accusations based on what people THINK he feels on a subject because of how they interpret his facial expression in interviews- most of which are him being questioned about uncomfortable subjects and being asked really invasive questions. It rubs me the wrong way and I try not to assume anything, even if I personally interpret something that way, I'll always add that I don't know for sure and that I might never. 2. I agree about the reasons they might be hesitant to talk about Destiel. For one, the fan art. These are real people with families and kids and they have to deal with their faces being on the internet and art being depicted of them in various provocative positions in relationships that are not with their wives ( and I'm not even going to start in on the COCKLES shit...that's a whole other rant). Then, yes the fanfiction, also a depiction of their characters, played by them, in extremely pornographic situations and it's not like fans aren't picturing their faces on these characters as they read. Not that all fan fiction is like this, but with really um.. passionate?-fans it's likely just stressful, especially when the actors aren't in a relationship on or off screen and at least one of them is straight, to everyone's knowledge. AND their so close they literally view each other as brothers. To me it's no wonder, and fans STILL want to call Jensen homophobic just because he isn't on the Destiel train or because he gets uncomfortable when fans start in on that and expect him to be 100 percent on board. 3. I didn't know you wrote fan fiction😄 what's your User name? 4. Dude when the robotic voice started I was SO not ready for it that I accidentally spit my water out and drenched my pants so thanks for that😂 ANYWAY: yeah, I agree that it was probably a big reason why he probably wanted straight roles in the future, and why Dean Winchester was an attractive choice for him-cool cars and monsters aside. It's strange how different playing a queer character back then was this huge deal, and often seen as something that could either type cast or ruin a career when now, several actors we know and love have played queer characters and don't have a problem getting roles or being type cast simply because of talent and versatility. 5. YES! I completely agree that the hammering that Cas was " genderless" was the CWs attempt at arguing that if they DID go ahead and have them start a relationship they could claim that it wasn't a queer relationship in a desperate attempt to keep everyone satisfied ( though it wouldn't have really mattered-two male bodied characters in a relationship says enough). 6. I noticed that with Eileen too! Though I just figured since there wasn't enough pushback for their relationship, and it was Cannon, they figured since they weren't going to mention Cas might as well level the field and do it for Eileen as well. So when people notice that they barely mentioned Cas they could just say that they did it for Eileen too-and that it was supposed to primarily focus on the brothers in those final episodes.

[@BobWessSPN]

I'm Bob Wess over there too. :) www.fanfiction.net/u/1135884/

[@emmy_the_nbnd]

....... except in The End 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@juliah3203]

bob wess sir you are a gem

[@madisonambrosehall8219]

"Marriage Advice With Bobb Wess" fully sent me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mikeyway7228]

Hahah... Except in The End... Hahhaa... Except in The End.... Hhahahah.... I can't...

[@darthcarrots2581]

The End comments at the end there were 🤌🏻 they DID fuck hard, and I agree The End Castiel really gives off too energy

[@emmybuns6964]

"Except in The End. They fucked hard in The End." I'M DYING LAUGHING

[@NiKaTaru]

oh and one more thing~ conversation are one of the most important things in a relationship ~ that is so damn right (I think that also shows in the episodes in season 15 with Dean not talking to Cas until purgatory) and also it isa huge topic though all the seasons - every time someone doesn't saysomething, hides something or something like that ~ it screws them

[@sam.v]

I'm very hyped about the upcoming analysis of The End which is one of my favorite episodes. And I agree, they've definitely got down to some sexy times in the endverse

[@johandrytenias1725]

So Jensen Anckles already played a bisexual character? Now he's about to play Soldier Boy in The Boys who apparently sleeps occasionally with Homelander in the comics... huh!

[@BobWessSPN]

He played a presumed bisexual character. And he only slept with Homelander once when he was tricked into it, and Kripke confirmed that Soldier Boys will not have any sexual encounters with Homelander in his series. So we still are waiting on an actual bisexual Jensen performance sadly.

[@johandrytenias1725]

@@BobWessSPN so he just ended up being typecast in ambiguously bisexual roles

[@austinhall9426]

First! Don’t even have to see any of it yet to know it’s an in depth dissection

[@danielleb5016]

This whole video was great, but the bottom/top discussion surprised me. I thought you were just going to brush it off, and then you made such a well reasoned argument instead! I laughed out loud. Oh also...I can't wait for the Dean bisexuality video. I've said it before, but I'm so excited for that one!

[@coffeeandscarves]

If Dean had kissed Cass on-screen, that would've broken the internet even more than the actual death and "I love you" scene 😂 that would've been bigger than anything Elon Musk could come up with to shock people lol I'm convinced!

[@artverse188]

I just want to say You are Awesome!!!! The way you break down the show makes me not feel alone in some of my thoughts and frustration 🥰

[@gallopingbeansfoster]

I love Love LOVE that you broke down your thoughts on when you felt they were in love, and realized they were loved. That just made my heart so happy. So, thanks for that. I thought you were hilarious about the top/bottom thing...And your sigh!!! HA! Great video. As usual.

[@papirtrane]

The image you just put in my head of Dean sitting on the edge of his bed, brows furrowed in concentration, writing the label on the mixtape with his intrusive "cool guy" thoughts, maybe blushing a little!!!! Blessed image...

[@ultgeek9275]

jsdbjh wait people ASKED whether dean and cas are top or bottom!?!?! mndfbjhcfhj damn. I do enjoy the smut fics, but I usually like it when it's set in the early seasons, like s4-6? But after that there's way too much going on in their relationship for a straight-up smut fic to work. Realistically speaking, I can't see Dean saying 'I love you' back to Cas even if a reunion happened(i think Dean's said I love you a grand total of 2 times). He's so emotionally constipated and Cas sorta confirmed one of Dean's biggest fears in the 15x18 confession; a fear that's been building up over the entirety of SPN- that Dean is singlehandedly responsible for 'corrupting' Cas. Cas dying in Chuck's writing room, "the very touch of you corrupts", Episode 5x04 'The End', the Lily Sunder episode, etc. And during the confession, I don't think Dean was processing anything other than '"hey, I love you, and I'm going to sacrifice myself to eternal torture for you". Idk if Dean can even acknowledge to himself that he is in romantic chick-flick style love with Cas- like he knows he cannot go on without him, that he really needs Cas to be happy(yeah he'll raise satan's kid with him too), but I don't think he'll realize on his own that he's practically parenting a child with a.....celestial being with no gender technically inhabiting a male vessel going by he/him pronouns and hasn't been in a long-term romantic relationship with women in almost a decade. I don't think Cas was expecting Dean to say 'I love you' back(it is Dean 'I have made repression into a weapon' Winchester). It's in the being, not having after all. And if a reunion happened, I doubt either of them would bring it up. Probably just a warm hug as Misha said and possible weeks, maybe months of never bringing it up and dancing around each other eating, chilling, watching movies, going on trips with Sam and Jack, that's it. Until Sam or Jack asks 'hey how'd you summon the Empty' and then they HAVE to confront it. Also for the sex thing- someone on tumblr was like "Dean's a 40 year old man who eats cheeseburgers and fries on the regular and has heartburn they are not doing anal or fucking, they are cuddling on the couch and watching shitty westerns" which, yeah, that checks.

[@kimarusama1447]

That last part choked me 😂😂😂 they're right tho

[@mffmoniz2948]

You had me nodding in agreement and then, surprise, you had me laughing at the end.

[@zhulimoon46]

In THE END...Everything is up for grabs!

[@madisonambrosehall8219]

Full disclosure: My dream ending was all of them sitting on a beach wearing matching Hawaiian shirts. Not. Dead. I wouldn't have cared if Destiel was seen being reciprocated or not at that point (I mean a girl can still want it but I wouldn't have minded if it hadn't been explicitly shown). I just wanted a soft ending with them all in retirement on the fucking beach. Eileen and Jack included. Like I just. SOFT ENDINGS OKAY. Anyway thank you for your analysis--it's always so perfect. Whenever I see/read Discourse or Conspiracy Theories floating around I tend to feel like the oddball being like WAIT A MINUTE. So it's just refreshing to hear someone say what I want to so much more articulately than I could ever.

[@khyati7733]

Yess i completely agree

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

Yeah I really wanted that soft ending 🙂😊🏝🏖

[@jeanpilgrim3864]

thank you for another great video on my favourite idiots!!

[@jeanpilgrim3864]

also, that video on Dean's bisexuality? I AM SO EXCITED! As a fellow bisexual myself I am really passionate about this and I am so curious about your takes on this!!

[@innisneill7510]

I second that sentiment. So excited for this Bob!

[@raynarush4042]

Your idea for the kitchen would've been *perfect.* Man, they missed the opportunity 😔

[@jenniferboyerdewitt9442]

In Lily Sunders, they also specifically added scenes where Cass had a female vessel…another way to explain away homophobia?

[@angelaholmes8888]

Yep you are so right

[@hisgirlfriday28]

Thank you so much! I appreciate your analysis and having not been part of the fandom and just watching the show on my own and forming my own opinions on Destiel for most of the show, it's wonderful to hear someone else's perspective who had done the same. You always point out something I haven't noticed before! Also, love the marriage advice segment!

[@psyolytesaille]

Ah nice an overview of the Mark. I just like listening interpretations of things o-o.

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

Yeah I think you're right that castiel was falling in love with dean in season 5 I really wished that there was a kiss between castiel and dean in 15 x 18 and I love that scene in season 14 with castiel and dean 👍🥰🤩😘😍😊🤗

[@z.z.5243]

Appreciated the digressions on both marriage advice and 5x04!

[@mffmoniz2948]

Thanks for another great video. I must say I especially liked two things: - marriage advice (say it louder for the folks in the back); - possible time-line of feelings. A little bit of I know you know, you know I know, we know we know; we're just never gonna address it.

[@TiteMarinou]

Thanks Bob ! Always a pleasure to watch your vids 🙂

[@mufalo]

No opinion on top or bottom here. At least nothing firm. I do believe they go through a lot of lightbulbs though....

[@BobWessSPN]

I just choked on my drink.

[@RenTheBarbarian]

Loved this video. Thanks for uploading!

[@Kleineganz]

I love your insight into all these points. Getting an 'insiders' view really puts a lot of it into perspective. However, I will always head canon Dean as a bottom in my smutty slashfics. 😁 (Although, I will agree that personality doesn't imply sexual position preference.)

[@catzkeet4860]

Man you are not kidding about the character that got the next worst "resolution" other than Cas. Eileen.... one minute, Sam's all about Eileen, next she's persona non grata..... actually not even That. She, like Cas, is shoved under the carpet and no one ever mentions either of them again.... SO BLOODY ANNOYING!! I also agree with you re: the writers and their utter terror of slash fan fic lol. I did NOT like the way that "fan fic" became a kind of a joke, about middle aged women and sqealy fangirls and destiel smut. It's a cheap shot.... and yeah, there is a lot of wish fulfillment porn that's barely adequately written, But.... there's also a hell of a lot of really well written fan fic that did a FAR better job of the relationship of Dean and Cas. Maybe a wee touch of jealousy? Particularly because you're also correct in that writers in a show have higher ups to satisfy. The one thing I don't agree with you about is that Dean would ever be satisfied with a non sexual relationship.... or perhaps I should say, a non physically intimate relationship. I think that, yeah it WOULD be ooc for him, but that what IS in character for him is pretty dysfunctional. I think that if Dean could allow himself to admit to loving Cas, that he'd want to fully experience that love. Maybe taking things very slow, but I don't think he'd shrink from physicality. He's an "all or nuthin" kinda guy after all. Thanks for another interesting video dude.

[@mimimurlough]

I like to think that they could have done an open relationship if Cas is uncomfortable with sex though. Then again, an ace Cas doesn't mean that he wouldn't want or enjoy sex.

[@KineticPassion]

> "fully experience" As in, "people, things I want to experience differently than I have before"? :)

[@TimeandMonotony]

I just watched this and part 15 and really enjoyed them! I'll have to check out your other videos at some point. I'm a new SPN fan (started watching after it aired), so it's been really interesting to see what long-term fans have to say about the show and Destiel. I also don't really see Destiel as a sexual relationship, and it's unfortunate that that's what the cast and crew seem to fixate on because it really does give the wrong impression of what the majority of Destiel shippers love about them. I personally see Cas as panromantic asexual*, mostly because that's what I am and I see myself in him, and I think that Dean would be content to have a nonsexual romantic relationship with him, considering he hadn't had sex in years by the end of the show anyway. Although I also think Cas would be willing to have sex with him and would enjoy bringing him pleasure. Anyway, yeah, I see Destiel as more romantic than sexual, which is why I don't participate in the bottom/top discourse. Also, I'm a ciswoman, so I feel like it's not really my place to assume what kind of sex positions two men (or a man and a male-presenting person) would like. *not to invalidate anyone else's opinion of Cas' queerness, that's just how I see him. Dean is definitely bisexual.

[@shawnteee]

I've found a few different KZbin folks who break down the series and I like yours the best. You do such a great job and are so positive. I hope you got my email and are enjoying the read. I have a feeling I have some revisions in my future lol

[@NotToLateToChange]

I love your explanation on the traxx thing, it's going to be my new headcanon now. 😂

[@jayathakur8643]

Hi... Two years later binge watching Your series... Is that Dr. McDreamy as Cass with Mr. Ackles 😮????? 7:30

[@jotunfalls4026]

I'm confused about my opinion as to when Cas fell in love with Dean, but I'm pretty certain Cas loved him first + Dean fell in love with Cas y the end of S6

[@SnowyMary]

I really hadn't thought about it that Jensen could have been fighting typecasting *before* SPN.. but from what I've seen from all his previous roles they are indeed mostly very lovely and emotional heartthrob charas who got objectified a LOT by the camera. Maybe not queer, but then again, I don't think there were many queer roles in mainstream tv. I shouldn't be surprised, but .. huh.

[@Lou_isnt]

E X C E P T I N " T HE E N D " ! thank you!

[@innisneill7510]

That was refreshing and awkwardly funny xD I never read any fanfiction, since I‘m not into the ‚hot n steamy’ and it just sounded messy 🤭 But anyway, going to check yours out, now. Thanks. If you ever want to talk about your experiences reading, writing fanfics or favorite reads ... I‘m all in.

[@mffmoniz2948]

Fanfiction is not smut. The same way tv shows are not smut. There is a lot of fics with sex, basically porn. They have tags. There are also a lot of fics where at most you get a kiss. With even less action than your usual rom-com movie. Also tagged. And there are also fics that don't go into the romance angle and just delve a little deeper into some aspects of the show. Basically reading fanfics is like going on a treasure hunt.

[@SnowyMary]

Love the analysis and most of all that it's looking at proper sources, and also saying when something is not one. sane discussions, such a beautiful thing :) [Edit: forget the following, I messed up the eps. (I've recently seen the "Dean not letting Cas heal him" scene coming back up and getting analyzed and while it's canon and there for is completely valid to be analyzed in character, I still think it's worth acknowledging that the scene existed to hide the fact that Ackles busted his face while falling off a flower pot (he tells the story way funnier))]

[@BobWessSPN]

Unless I'm mistaken, he busted his face in Season 8, during filming of Citizen Fang. This time it was just scripting.

[@SnowyMary]

@@BobWessSPN I checked it, because I wasn't sure anymore and Citizen Fang was the Hotel Wrestling thing, right? I'm referring to a Jensen Panel (I'll need a bit of time to find it again) where he said that he went drinking with the ex-head of XF dept and thought it a fun idea to jump on a wet flower pot, busting his chin and subsequently having the new XF people edit almost all his next shots because it was swollen so badly. And I *thought* this was the fallout of that, but I'm gonna check that again.

[@SnowyMary]

Ahh, sorry, you're right, I found the story kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnTRYnqMrLarjbc and but unless they made up the Wrestling story (possible? and it would be kinda hilarious) they were two separate incidents, .. this guy need to be more careful with his face XD sorry again, I didn't question when someone connected the vid to the later ep, my bad

[@BobWessSPN]

@@SnowyMary Yeah, I think wrestling rug burn was at some point in season 9, but I cannot recall which episode. (It was his forehead that time, not chin.) I'm sure the second time Make-up almost killed him. You get one pass, and then we come for you.

[@tiffanidonaldson2714]

I like your edit to the kitchen scene❤

[@distudio13]

Always love these videos! They are super well thought out and objective. With all that has happened I really just have to land on the main thought that if we have to believe that these two idiots were just an accident, then I have to believe eveything in the entire show is an accident. Since this show has always, consistently, embraced changes in story due to what actors brought to the table. Right up until season 12 started pushing conflicting agendas. I relatively agree with those moments of establishing their relationship, along with not thinking they were going to screw each other anytime soon. There really just are not enough relationships on television that don’t lead to something sexual. I still don’t see how Dean’s death in the last episode makes any sense. It really seemed like something the entire series was pushing to subvert, at least since season 3, but maybe that’s just me.

[@NiKaTaru]

Thank you for another very interessting video~ I think analysing actors might be very interessting and I myself like to do it all the time, but on the other hand - as you said they are only human ~ and I think they might even be able to act if they like, bc it is there job and we surely wouldn't know if they don't want us to know. I mean shortly broken down - we only know what the industry and they want us see so we know nothing about them and that is why I think it is a good decision to not deep dive into it ~ In my opinion you have a very interessting view on many things which I mostly agree to~ I also see them more as a romantical couple and I am sure it will take Dean a lot time to come out of the closet to even try something in that direction~ I would be very curious to know what of the things they did were meant to be gay and which were cut or stepped back bc of the broadcaster or when they feared it would go too much in a direction and they cut it bc of that or never tried bc they didn't want to offend someone - but we will never know~ some things will stay forever as our interpretation~ about Eileen I won't even start - I just put Saileen in my Destiel fanfiction too bc they also deserves way better and in my head she will always be the woman Sam married . and still love the idea of team free will 2.0 at the beach ~ that would be the ending we all and they deserved ~ another big commy and I hope I didn't bored you with all my babbeling ~looking forward to all the other new videos and good to hear you are also working ~ have fun and take your time~ (btw. the link to your fanfiction page sadly didn't work - would love to check out some of your fanfictions as a fellow writer but I am not so firm with fanfiction net bc I am on Archiveofourown only)

[@BobWessSPN]

Not babbling at all! (And thanks for letting me know, I'll update that link.)

[@NiKaTaru]

@@BobWessSPN thanks for the update ~ and for your kind words :)

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

Oh and on the “Angels have no gender” thing, that was cool and everything but I see that that is usually the case in shows when diversity in sexual orientation and gender identity is shown but for more for characters who are not human, but humanoid... and Angels fall into that category. Like it’s some loophole in a studio contract. Granted we did have Charlie who was human. However Charlie remained as a secondary character and was not one of the mains.

[@playfulpanthress]

17:30 I don’t know if Mary ever wrote something with xo’s so that Dean would know what that meant. It’s possible Dean learned x’s can represent kisses from a former relationship. I want to point out that so thing is NOT universal. I didn’t learn about them until my twenties from a friend. Because my mom could spell. Acronyms can be annoying. Assuming Dean DID know that stupid x’s somehow represent kisses, he’d figure Cas didn’t know. There used to be a brand of tape that was call ‘Snap Traxx’ or something and it used two xx’s. I’m showing my age, but I don’t care. And either way, nothing Dean would do with that tape would be more out of character than him kicking poor newly human Cas out of the bunker. With no money, no car, no place to fucking live. I am still full of rage over that bullshit. It doesn’t make sense! Cas was human, as in lacking grace. He couldn’t “see” that Gadreel wasn’t Ezekiel as he claimed, which is what Show implies is the problem. If they were decent writers, they could have had Cas take off before Dean was ready to take him to Jodi’s or Bobby’s cabin. It would make sense for Cas to leave as he wouldn’t want to be a burden. It doesn’t destroy Dean’s character because he would have helped Cas. And bonus, it would have added to Dean’s abandonment issues. I really wish the writers were smarter. I certainly wish they had liked the show they were writing for.

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

Marriage advice, noted.

[@oiku4408]

i love listening to you

[@izzycamoc1289]

i honest to god have become a finale denialist unconsciously because if i remember what they did to dean, to cas and to EILEEN (!!!!) I lose it entirely. The whole ending is so messy, so messy, every time I think about it I find more things wrong with it.

[@angelaholmes8888]

Yeah unfortunately I have the same feeling

[@evawoods324]

I'm convinced that writers are aliens or something, as they have no idea how human interactions looks like, really, what is trauma and how it affects persons life, how people react to certain things that happen around them and so on... everything is so illogical in mental department that it's insane.

[@hokudadog7637]

Oh thank goodness, you’ll be on AO3.

[@1dsantos]

Of course Dean and Cas love one another. What does "in love" really mean? Does it mean you get sexually aroused when a certain person is around you? I don't know. I can get sexually aroused thinking about certain people, or activities, etc. That's not being "in love" to me. Loving someone is what Supernatural shows us, over and over and over. It's Bobby and the boys. Its Sam and Dean. Its Crowley ultimately dying for the Winchesters. And as I said, of course it's Dean and Cas.

[@1dsantos]

P.S. I read smutty fanfiction Destiel. No problem with it. We all need to realize that there are so many ways to want and have sex and that it usually doesn't have a thing with being "in love". Loving someone and feeling safe enough to fully explore all aspects of your sexual self is special, but sex doesn't define love.

[@lovelybydecay7811]

i feel so bad for jared and jensen from the first 3 seasons (and beyond but especially then) because of the wincest stuff. apparently it was pretty bad. especially for jensen, just gleaning from old interviews and stuff, it seems like he had people assume he was gay/bi and harass him about it. apparently he stuck up for a gay (?) friend in high school against a bully, and he did cheerleading as well as theatre-- and football. so i could see it being a huge sore spot for him. he's absolutely NOT homophobic, but those kinds of questions would understandably be uncomfortable. the fan might be asking in good faith about shipping, but he dosn't know what the media might do with it later, in a really bad way.

[@psyolytesaille]

Woo! \o/

[@HasnaaAlaa]

One thing i would like to argue is that i don't believe dean wouldn't want to have sex with cas, it's totally fine if that's anyone's headcanon but to say it would be OOC for dean annoys me a bit coz it's what the "dean is straight" people say too, it wouldn't be OOC, dean has always enjoyed sex, he's playful & likes to have fun, also having sex is not a character trade but even if it was, dean definitely likes to have sex, that doesn't mean that that's all the relationship is about, far from it, i think it will just be a small part of the relationship, wether or not cas would want that we don't know, he said he enjoyed having sex with April when he was human, so who knows, it doesn't really matter that much, if they had a relationship that doesn't involve sex, i would be cheering for them, i am more invested in the romance anyway but coz i believe dean is bisexual, it annoys me when people say that his character is: "being straight" & anything other than that is OOC, he literally gets flustered by men, checks out men, stares at cas's eyes & lips & swallows a lot, i believe that he's sexually attracted to cas but that's just my interpretation. Great video

[@HasnaaAlaa]

Trait*

[@Sean0526a]

Poor Jensen. Being pretty must be such a burden.

[@HasnaaAlaa]

Re dean not being able to contain cas as a vessel, dean was michael's true vessel, michael is the strongest angel ever, sam & dean are the strongest vessels in existence, dean 💯 can be cas's vessel, he just can't perceive cas's true form or voice coz that's reserved for religious people like jimmy, michael possessed dean just fine in season 14 & there's no way cas is stronger than michael. Interesting that u think cas knew that dean loved him in season 8 when he said i need u, coz i am not sure that cas knows, how do u explain cas saying the one thing I want is something i know i can't have? Dean kissing cas goodbye wouldn't be out of character for him, he kissed jo goodbye when she was dying even though I don't believe that he was in love with her, the only difference is they can't let their male fantasy main lead shown kissing anyone that doesn't have boobs 😏, dean wouldn't have been able to say i love u back at that moment but dean has never been good with words, he's a man of actions, imo it's more in character for dean to grab cas & kiss him goodbye than to reciprocate with words or even form any cohesive sentences. As to the top/ bottom discussion, i don't like to join that discussion coz i am a woman, so i will give my opinion on a different subject that i feel like i can talk about, which is the sub/dom dynamic that i see with dean in canon, go watch all of dean's sex scenes, they all have one thing in common, dean is almost always not in control, he likes to be thrown against the wall (10x07) or thrown onto the bed (7x13), the women are usually on top & are doing most of the work, he gets pleasure from not being in control, i think this is very fitting for his character coz he's someone who is always in control in his day to day job, if he loses control for a minute, someone could die, i can see why he likes to give up control in the bedroom, also cas can 💯 control his strength, we have never seen him do anything he doesn't mean to do due to his strength in the show, he's always in control of his vessel & very precise. In 5x18 when he was beating the shit out of dean, he was doing so very seemingly, if he wasn't 💯 able to control his strength, he could have smashed dean's face by accident, but he didn't, he used the exact amount of power to only hurt dean like a human would. Plus he can heal dean if he hurt him.

[@HasnaaAlaa]

@@BobWessSPN i think u replied to the wrong comment, coz my comment didn't mention soldier boy. On the topic of cas possessing dean, I think it would've been so fun to see, i don't think cas would make dean drown like michael, i think he would let him be the one in control, like dean asked from Michael when he offered his body, but michael didn't care, i think the perfect opportunity for that was in season 11 when lucifer possessed cas's vessel, cas could've escaped & took shelter in dean, with dean's permission of course, it would've been fun to see jensen play cas for a bit while still having misha on set playing lucifer. Cas & dean sharing a vessel would've pushed them to learn to communicate better & to compromise, it's like sharing an apartment.

[@HasnaaAlaa]

@@BeatrizSilva-cd8pt why do u think it's bad? I think it would've been so fun to see, i don't think cas would make dean drown like michael, i think he would let him be the one in control, like dean asked from Michael when he offered his body, but michael didn't care, i think the perfect opportunity for that was in season 11 when lucifer possessed cas's vessel, cas could've escaped & took shelter in dean, with dean's permission of course, it would've been fun to see jensen play cas for a bit while still having misha on set playing lucifer. Cas & dean sharing a vessel would've pushed them to learn to communicate better & to compromise, it's like sharing an apartment.

[@BobWessSPN]

@@HasnaaAlaa You're right, I totally responded to the wrong post. BUT! That would have been very fun to see. Though now I'm imaging the post empty save being a situation like the very end of "Dollhouse" and it's making me sad and happy at the same time now.

[@HasnaaAlaa]

@@BeatrizSilva-cd8pt iirc, both cas & sam get into dean's mind in season 14 to get him to wake up from the dream that michael put him in ( running a bar with pamala) & cas used his powers to see all of dean's traumas searching for a place (in dean's mind) that dean could be hiding in (which might be when he learns about the daddy's little instrument line from 3x10) & sam asked cas to do that but dean wasn't asked for permission since he wasn't there to give it, not saying it's great, just saying at least in my scenario dean says yes or even suggests it, it's still better than when he tricked sam into letting gadreel in, dean made that choice under pressure too coz he didn't wanna lose his brother & sam had no say in it at all, in my scenario, it may be under pressure but at least dean *chooses* to save cas, i think dean letting cas search his mind for the scar shows that dean 💯 trusts cas with all of his traumas, thoughts & insecurities, he even lets cas do that before he opened up to sam about remembering what michael did with his body, we saw it again when dean was under pressure of losing cas in purgatory in 15x09 "the trap", he immediately opens up about his anger issues, dean almost doesn't open up unless under pressure, their whole life is under pressure, you're right about it depending on how it's written, the way i imagine it is sam coming into the kitchen to find dean talking to himself & having a full conversation with himself (but actually with cas) laughing & smiling & maybe we would still hear cas's side of the conversation as an inner voice (misha's cas voice), it would've been comedy goals 😂. I think dean would've enjoyed that time so much & sam would be slightly jealous like i get trauma for being possessed (by lucifer) & u get a chatting partner 😂. Cas can also stop dean from having nightmares when he's asleep & give him peaceful dreams instead, it would be fishing with cas standing next to him like we saw in 4x20 all the time 😂 & for once dean would be smiling when he's asleep 🥺. now that i think about it, i would very much love to have a cas possess me, i want an angel boyfriend/best friend.

[@HasnaaAlaa]

@@BobWessSPN can u imagine sam coming into the kitchen to find dean talking to himself & having a full conversation with himself (but actually with cas) laughing & smiling & maybe we would still hear cas's side of the conversation as an inner voice ( misha's cas voice), it would've been comedy goals 😂. I think dean would've enjoyed that time so much & sam would be slightly jealous like i get trauma for being possessed (by lucifer) & u get a chatting partner 😂. Cas can also stop dean from having nightmares when he's asleep & give him peaceful dreams instead, it would be fishing with cas standing next to him like we saw in 4x20 all the time 😂& for once dean would be smiling when he's asleep 🥺. now that i think about it, i would very much love to have a cas possess me, i want an angel boyfriend/best friend.

[@KaylaChan90]

Tired so mostly just watching, but my brain seems to make me need to comment on some things.... will probably end up rambly... please everyone ignore my comment if it it's too long for you.... So gunna jot those down here as it goes. For me, it's that we saw the mountains in Vancouver behind Misha... at a time when you could only travel to Canada for work or emergencies, he obviously would have visited if allowed, but legally he wouldn't have been allowed to just go play on set. They blame Covid for him not being there.... but Covid is what, to me at least, makes it proof he was there to film something.(And they wouldn't have had him quarentine to record Lucifer's fake lines.) I do think, obviously, by end of series, they understood Destiel wasn't just the smut, thankfully. Misha at least does, since he looked and read up on us on purpose. Post 15.18, though limited in what they could say, back before it was embargoed and before hte finale aired.... in virtual interviews it was clear Jensen understood as well.... He and Misha, and even Richard who directed, are SO damn proud of what they did, so I think they do understand that now. (Adding back in, the cameos for example, are just proof by the end they all knew and understood.) THEY REMOVED CAS AND EILLEEN BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO PROMOTE THE FINAL TO THE ONES WHOSE FANDOM NAME I WON'T CALL OUT! 15.18 was written for us.... 15.19 and 15.20 are damage control... AGAIN THEY CAN'T BLAME COVID WHEN THE CREW HAVE SAID FINAL REWRITES WERE BEING FORCED BY NETWORK BEFORE COVID SHUTDOWNS WERE A THING! (There is more to this but anyone watching this video either already knows or speculates---- and again I am hoping to not somehow google keyword summon the people that would defend it.) Love your POV of the falling in love and realizing moments, those make a hell of a lot of sense. Also... the top/bottom thing... yeah when I write fic where it alludes to the two of them doing things, I always write it in an ambiguous way.... Which others chose doesn't matter when it's part of fics I read... but when writing I can't make it my place to decide (even though my writing just fades the scene out like PG movies) One day I'll be able to talk about these characters like normal.... Hasn't happened yet, and I'm planning on how to celebrate the 1 year confession-a-versary as the first time I get to do cosplay post Covid is the weekend before it.... so it'll be awhile.. BUT ONE DAY!

[@mffmoniz2948]

Fanfics are not just smut. They are fics done by fans about smth they love enough to try and build up. At least a big percentage is. I do agree with you that some of the SPN family understand that. All those conventions exposed them not just to the crazy fans but also to the adorkable ones. But they are people hired to do a job, they are under contracts... So, we have the show. Luckily we also have tons of fics. And we can chose which fics to read.

[@shawnteee]

Hey, I can't find the video you said you did on Dean's bisexuality. Did you take it down or something?

[@BobWessSPN]

It ended up pushed back, it should be out in the next two weeks. :)

[@shawnteee]

@@BobWessSPN ok cool, thanks

[@Jane0Mills]

Yeah, save the positions for headcanons guys. 😬 if that's the third most asked question here we can't be all that surprised that the actors/producers thought Destiel was all sex-based can we? I do agree on Cas falling for Dean in s5 but Dean? Who knows? It changes episode by episode. This is the problem with writers that are in conflict with one another, and it happens with so many aspects of the show. It leads to the show having a complete lack of cohesive structure. If only there was someone whose job it was to ensure continuity... oh wait. Ok, rant over. Sorry, but these writers, man.

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

Oh I do agree with you on the writers they totally screwed on dean in the final season the scene in episode unity where he says Jack is not family and then later in the episode he pulls a gun on sam willingly push Jack in the room where amara and chuck are in just to get revenge on chuck I really hated that scene because that's something that dean just wouldn't do especially to someone he loves I really hated that they made him into John now that's something he would do definitely he would

[@cynthiaholmes5124]

But also I really hated that in the last four seasons the writers basically forgot or didn't care that they were messing up the lore and the mythology of the series to the point the show ended up a shell of its former self 🤯😬😠😡🤬

[@withonelook1985]

This is totally off topic and in no way pertinent to anything said in the video...but does Jared shave his arms? He doesn't appear to have any arm hair in a lot of these scenes...

[@musicalriotgrl1]

Lol Dean tops but you know Cas is a pushy ass bottom your videos are the best I always have to think and write my own thoughts down after

[@erineko1847]

I should probably write an email instead of a comment here, but I am very lazy and currently my Internet connection is making me mad. Briefly: www.sheilaomalley.com/ This is the address of a blog by a film critic and screenwriter. She is being analyzing the first seasons of Supernatural episode by episode and she touched issues like beauty, lighting and she is very clever in my opinion in breaking down the acting. If you have time it could be more interesting than viewing conventions videos, I guarantee you that. I really think her thoughts are especially interesting regarding: Jensen Ackles (Breaking Down the Schtick: Jensen Ackles, Physical Comedy, Objectification, Consent, and Other Supernatural Topics Inspired By Three Seconds of Footage, here www.sheilaomalley.com/?p=72302 ) and Kim Manners. Check out the analysis of episodes 1.04 and 1.16 + 2.1 if you like.

[@ChrisDragon531]

I have read Destiel fanfics, but I prefer cutesy fics rather than smut... actually I don't really like smut fics for any ship in general and try to avoid reading them. Even when I'm watching a movie or something and two characters are about to sleep together my reaction is "Really... can we get back to the main plot please..." And usually I distract myself (or fast forward through the scene) until its over. >.< Then again, that's just my opinion.

[@Memories_in_Chains]

I said it before and I will say it again if Cas was a woman dean and Cas would definitely had a thing. They would have had the same relationship but with all the sex and kisses and all.

[@ForestNurse1406]

Haha, here's the thing that Cas is an angel. His vessel is a man. Just a thing)

[@anon0124]

The link to your fanfiction isn't working

[@burakcelikbilek1256]

remove the "!"

[@BobWessSPN]

Yeah, my bad. A direct link also: www.fanfiction.net/u/1135884/

[@e.d.m3076]

People trying to force Dean and Cas into Top! and Bottom! roles irritates me because it's mostly women trying to force gay/bi men into heteronormative roles that they can understand and project themselves onto.

[@sam.v]

I gotta agree

[@kratosboy5557]

Ay bisexual bros

[@whatshouldinamemyself215]

=D