Conlanging Case Study: Part 38 - WH words and Demonstratives

[@lotofmalarkey434]

I'm team "nitty gritty linguistic features" because I do like hearing your thought process. It gives me ideas for making my own stuff

[@cogitoergosum9069]

Ngl, these are my favorite videos of yours. EDIT: I enthusiastically vote for more videos going over the finer points of grammar before going into the writing system.

[@Lttmtf]

I think it would be nice to have another episode on grammar and stuff before doing the writing system

[@kuroikenjin7652]

Agreed.. need at least a good polish off episode. Maybe a quick run through, more vocabulary (like what kind of culture are you applying this to), and a wrap up before writing.

[@tanguy5016]

same! I really want to see how he evolves color terms as well

[@Veeno00]

When you talked briefly about verbal intensifiers, that reminded me of the fact that Serbo-Croatian has a verbal de-intensifier strategy, although with the way it modifies the meaning of the verb it might be more appropriate to refer to it as a "ridiculiser", because it implies a lack of seriousness and quality of the action, or a low amount of effort/attention paid to the action by the agent. It can also only be applied to some verbs (off the top of my head, it's easier to come up with verbs for which this doesn't work than with verbs for which it does), so I'm not sure how much of a "strategy" it really is. Anyway, the strategy is to add a -kar suffix to the verb root (then any other suffixes, such as the infinitive -ati, get added AFTER this suffix). For example, "trčati" means "to run", whereas "trčkarati" means something akin to "to scamper (about)". If you wanted to be rude and ridicule someone's attempts of getting into shape by jogging/running, this would be the verb to do it with - instead of "on trči" ("he runs"/"he's running"), you could say "on trčkara". (Getting into why the final suffix changed from -i to -a would be a complicated and unnecessary derailment. 🙂) Another example is the verb "pisati", which means "to write", whereas "piskarati" means "to scribble", with the implication that what is being "scribbled" is either nonsensical or unimportant.

[@жизненный_опыт]

That's very considerate of Serbo-Croatian to have a way to ridicule others naturally in the language.

[@stefanodadamo6809]

There's in Italian too, with, say, -cch. Correre - - - > corricchiare, rubare - - - - > rubacchiare. It diminishes the action's effectiveness.

[@justakathings]

I’d love episodes of “nitty gritty grammar”, especially clause chaining, connectives, numerals, colours etc. It’d be interesting to know how this language flows sentence to sentence. I’d also like some more words to be coined as well to really flesh out this language. Thank you for doing these, they are my favourite 🙏

[@yoru900]

Babe wake up, new Conlanging Case Study just dropped

[@TheBeastyBlackSheep]

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[@AaronGeo]

Still cannot believe Alien Biospheres ended, You went on to create AB, Artifexian is creating Artifexia.

[@eoyenh]

artifexia is just like this series (conlanging case study) they are just doing their thing (not, teaching and telling the story like alien biospheres)

[@llsilvertail561]

If you end up making a second channel for this, I would def be very interested in a video that goes over what you’ve done with this language so far. Obv only if it isn’t too much work lmao. But like, if the language has only a bit left, prob just wait until after you’re done with the grammar or just do the showcase directly lmao. Edit: also like, are you gonna finish out the series(/just the grammar) here since there’s only a bit left?? Or are you gonna just go ahead and continue them on your second channel???

[@una_gallina_mas0912]

New Conlang Showcase episode!

[@maxiapalucci2511]

We need a summary of everything you’ve done with this language

[@una_gallina_mas0912]

A new Conlang Showcase?

[@TheBeastyBlackSheep]

Always a good day when Biblaridion posts a conlanging case study

[@WJ-tv1mz]

Personally I definitely think I’d like a few more episodes on colour terms and nitty gritty bits and the like before we go onto the writing system

[@Wonderland_Jutomi]

I'd love to see some more nitty-gritty, myself! There can be plenty of wacky things you can do with those, too. I'm definitely excited to see the writing system, but I can wait. :') Whatever you choose though I'll be excited; this has been a great series and truly opens my eyes to how complicated language evolution can be. Kinda scary... and definitely means I've got a lot of work to do on my own. So either way, many thanks for the series :D

[@timefortjer6705]

I for one, would really love to see you delve into the Pragmatics of this Conlang. It's one thing to show tables of grammar, but it's another to show how that grammar actually gets used in speech.

[@Kveldred]

I am motivated not by personal animus, but by the same sort of feeling that a doctor or surgeon might feel-I imagine-upon seeing a truly ill patient: I am selflessly compelled to heal your terrible disease of the mind. That is... what? No, what, pragmatics is dull at the _best_ of times-it's of no interest except to the individual involved in a particular conversation, to my mind... like, we're dealing with vague and fuzzy stuff that is really more like a branch of sociology or social psychology (i.e., the dullest & least factual of all academic fields; oh, hello there, replication crisis-) with a thin veneer of linguistics on top. Instead of looking deeply at the rules and mechanisms which shape our very thoughts, and all the glorious variation in structure we have available to choose from-like a delicious phonomorphosyntammatical-algorithmic smorgasbord-you want to listen to someone make up some vague elements of subtext for fictional people having fictional conversations in a fictional culture?! ...I say that as if I don't love reading fantasy novels, lol. ...and, okay, I admit, *some* elements of pragmatics are interesting-particularly information structure-and my trauma from a terrible professor who looooved pragmatics (and droned on and on and _on_ about his revolutionary discovery that "context exists" instead of actually teaching us about grammatical concepts which is the entire reason I took the damn class) isn't your fault, so... ...why do I care? Why can't I let go of Dr. R's ridiculous pragmatics Pseudoprofundity Olympics? For what reason am I trying to convince you to "vote" for more on morphology and grammar rather than pragmatics? _It's not even a vote!-_ These are just a few of the questions humanity has pondered for æons untold.

[@timefortjer6705]

@@Kveldred I can tell that your professor failed you deeply, because you claim to find pragmatics dull and uninteresting, meanwhile you seem to have gone comically out of your way to find the most esoteric and irritating structures of language possible in making your point. You're certainly not going to "heal my disease of the mind" by pretending to speak to like Victorian redditor. Calling sociology "the dullest and least factual of all academic fields" already makes me not take you seriously. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what academics is, and how human minds are studied. I cannot comprehend being interested in the functions of language, without being interested in the psychological and inter-personal machenations of how language is actually used, and pretending that the study of those machenations is somehow an apendix to the field of linguistics, rather than an intrinsic part of it, is ridiculuous. I *do* want to look deeply at rules and sturcture. Part of looking deeply, means looking at it in the context of speech. Language is not a set of a tables and graphs, it is a living puppet of the human condition, and the practicalities that come with it. Morphology and Grammar are *incomplete* without Pragmatics.

[@yobgodababua1862]

The nominative "somewhere" could be very useful in storytelling, as in the most common English "somewhen"... "Once upon a time". I like the thought of "hamah himid" being the start of a story, like "once upon a time, in a galaxy far far away..." or "In a time, in a place"

[@williampalmer3127]

Would love to see more on how the language handles kinship, chains clauses (purpose clauses, conditionals, etc) and keeps track of topic/focus. Very excited to see where things go!

[@kyesickhead7008]

Wow... boy is it ben a while since the series beginning.

[@bluestickman2684]

Good to have conlanging back with Bib

[@Flavio06626]

man, I'd really love to see the writing system...

[@acushekpl6370]

imo one or two more episodes of the other stuff (especially colors and numbers) would be great, but i cant wait for the writing system

[@ArturoStojanoff]

To answer your question at the end, I absolutely want to know more about subordination and cause chaining. I want more grammar. I'm not that passionate about the writing system.

[@Kveldred]

Word. Also on clause embedding and "nested clauses".

[@jess5620]

Definitely more videos before the writing system. The nitty gritty is pretty litty 😎

[@yair4291]

I think another video or two about the grammar sounds good if you think there is more to do, but I won't complain if you start the writing systrm lol. I also am extremely curious about how the noun declention works synchronically, it looks so wonderfully complicatedd

[@una_gallina_mas0912]

Please, make a new Conlang Showcase episode with this language

[@Osz6]

9:05 Turkish “niçin” exists, but not used in daily life. Turkish “niye” (same meaning) exists and used more frequently than “neden” as far as I see.

[@dragskcinnay3184]

To answer your question, I think I would appreciate a couple more episodes on grammar personally

[@xaelly]

colours and numerals sound interesting

[@lotofmalarkey434]

I've missed this series a lot, welcome back!

[@fiara1803]

i would definitely love to see more of the grammar, gives me ideas on what to include in my own i do like seeing these videos

[@isaacthedestroyerofstuped7676]

You know we're always happy to see more of this! Just keep yourself sane, and we'll tag along like those side characters in paintings of Greek philospohers

[@robynkolozsvari]

i'd love to see more details on grammar, syntax etc! also "maqassë" has a wonderful ring to it, i love that

[@L4oo.]

would it even really make sense for this culture to have a writing system? they're only really developed independently in very agricultural civilizations, and if this language is not spoken by an agricultural culture, they'd only really have a writing system if they borrowed (and maybe modified) it from someone else. in which case, you'd have to make at least a phonology for another language, and maybe even some basic grammar. And also, writing systems aren't borrowed for no reason. A nomadic culture has little reason to write, for example

[@Biblaridion]

We’ll talk about this a lot more when the time comes, but yes, the Taqva-miir speakers are almost certainly not going to have invented their own writing system ex nihilo, they’ll borrow it from another culture (which I already have a plan for). Also, the culture that speaks Taqva-miir has not only developed agriculture, but by the "modern" time period, has reached an early industrial level of technology, so, although it would be a very interesting thought experiment to try to justify a culture like that which doesn't have writing, I don't think it would quite make sense with how I'm envisioning the rest of the setting.

[@lotofmalarkey434]

would you hypothetically be making the neighboring language as a sequel to this series 👀

[@justakathings]

@@lotofmalarkey434 I second this thought 👀

[@SachaCubesLatino]

I'd be down to a couple more episodes of grammar

[@enarmonika5557]

Conlangers eating *good* finally

[@khilorn]

Question for QnA: I watched your interview with conlangery a ways back and I'm curious what conlanging direction are you thing in going? Educational, Alien Biosphered, Refugium, or something else?

[@xavierreichel8254]

Hooray! Another Taqvamiir episode. :) I'd personally love a few more nitty-gritty pre-orthography videos.

[@lulujuice1]

Yesss, do more! But don't burn yourself out,

[@жизненный_опыт]

The house is big at all

[@ILikeGoodFood]

5 minute mark - You just explained about the use of Peak or Summit to mean best, then go onto talk about the use of weight related words for more or less. Better = Hevioer. Given this association, might it make sense for the "Summit" or "Peak" to be replaced with a word meaning impossibly heavy, or immovably heavy. The culture would then be associating the degrees of an aspect, from less, to more, to most, through weight.

[@dragskcinnay3184]

YESSSSSS ! Jumped on this as soon as I saw the notification, I was waiting for this one ! But I'm going to watch it a bit later :) (Also, somehow, despite clicking on it 44 seconds after publication, it already says "2 comments")

[@ptonpc]

Hope the year and the era gets better for you.

[@caelerickson5174]

Another couples episodes on 'nitty gritty' grammar would be awesome! I'd love to hear more about clause chaining, and something I don't know if anyone has mentioned yet, pronouns. This series has given me the most effective tools for making my own conlangs, and I want to have as many as I can get

[@Moses_Caesar_Augustus]

These videos make me realize how much is left out of the Conlang Showcase videos.

[@LeoConnonHay]

I would love a couple more episodes on grammar! These videos are really educational for me!

[@psygamez7727]

I just got this notification and stopped everything to watch this

[@RowanAckerman]

I just took Syntax at my Uni, so I'd LOVE to see knitty-gritty grammar stuff, like head movement, topicalisation, or binding theory!

[@eclipsion136]

NITTY GRITTY PRETTY PLEASE!!!

[@Moses_Caesar_Augustus]

Please make a few more episodes on grammar! I really need to know how subordinate/relative clauses work as I don't know anything about them.

[@Yachid]

glad 2CUR back! ...Con{Lang/Script}ing

[@BriocheBunny29]

I think it would be good to have another video or two going over some of the finer details of the language before moving onto the writing system

[@hyld1945]

Bib is back 🙏🙏

[@filippo6157]

I've been waiting for this video sooo much, i really like this series!

[@GameTornado01]

I'd love to see more of the nitty gritty grammar stuff

[@LuckyOtter_WorldBuilding]

in English How, is completely un-related to the other WH- words, and in Spanish they're all un-related to eachother

[@appleoxide4489]

wiktionary says 'how' ultimately is related to the other wh- words through Proto-Germanic, where *hwō was the instrumental form of *hwaz ('what').

[@deathpigeon2]

how is related to the other wh- words in english. *hwō, the proto-germanic root of how, is an instrumental form of *hwaz, the proto-germanic root of who, the neuter of which, *hwat, is the proto-germanic root of what, a different instrumental form, *hwī, is the proto-germanic root of why, etc.

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

Though the Spanish ones certainly _seem_ related - Quién, (Por/)Qué, Cuándo, and Cuántos all start with the same cu/qu sound, and Cómo also starts with a c - though dónde is definitely an oddball.

[@LuckyOtter_WorldBuilding]

@@randomguy-tg7ok all starting doesn't guarantee they all share a root, though that is a good observation i didnt notice, Cuál has a C too

[@LuckyOtter_WorldBuilding]

@@deathpigeon2 then that begs the question of why How doesn't share the same WH historical spelling as its siblings also this is what i get for jumping the gun and assuming stuff

[@Xenobiologyt]

hey so I'm working on a video about alternate evolution history on KZbin

[@michaell.6883]

We’re conlanging babyyyyy

[@belcarra]

I would absolutely love to see more episodes about the grammar! Also, since this series is almost over anyways, shouldn't it just be finished on this channel anyways? So all the parts are in the same place and all. Unless you have a big video planned soon I don't know why that would be an issue

[@JoshuaF.]

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[@APerson863]

I'd love to go through more nitty gritty stuff

[@bookworm_of_heaven]

i think id like to get into the details before we jump into the writing system. then again, im not here to learn (not yet lol), i just like listening to these and going "i like your funny words, magic man!"

[@LightDhampire]

Somewhere as a subject: Somewhere over the rainbow is the land of Oz.

[@Catt-pq7ir]

Nitty gritty, I like series- writing can be later

[@samanthazarring9502]

Team Grammar, but not colors or other word formation unless it's needed for the sentence to make sense. So, I'm thinking knowing how the language keeps track of it's topic, how separate clauses can be embedded, ect.

[@isaacthedestroyerofstuped7676]

Silly question: What's you favorite grammatical case? Mine's either the Benefactive or the Comitative

[@Alice-gr1kb]

I think you should skip right to writing, or maybe do one episode on clause chaining. Also, speaking of clause chaining and WH-questions, ASL sometimes uses WH-words to connect clauses, especially using "WHY" for "because." So you could say "SOON I WANT LEAVE WHY? 2-list, 1st I TIRED, 2nd FOOD I EAT NEED/MUST." Idk how well that would fit in this language specifically but it's an interesting thing!

[@onmyway3139]

LETS GOOO

[@ivenotalent]

Could u show us how to make VOS conlangs?

[@dinokaijumaster1254]

Finally!!! Let’s goooooo!!!!

[@TheZetaKai]

Nitty-gritty FTW!

[@user-hv7mb3ye2v]

oh thank god

[@AcePhoton]

🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@secondpicture]

oh my god

[@graygryphon8709]

More grammar, please.

[@TheBeastyBlackSheep]

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[@allankokkonen5722]

numerals!!

[@BryanLu0]

Hello!!

[@Kveldred]

Hey, in your first Nahuatl video, you say it's your favorite language, "and if [the viewer] want[s] to know why", to "check out [your] Top 10 Languages video". But that video is no longer available. We need to know what you like(d) so much about Nahuatl! BTW: I have gone through every conlanging tutorial vid series on KZbin-possibly, I am even being literally literal here; I tend to get obsessed & I needed background audio, so...-and yours is still by far the best, no question. The rest either don't provide examples, or do but are too simplistic, or else waste your time with a bunch of nonsense like "hurrr durrr let's think about why people conlang first!" or "to start with, you need to figure out which one of these simplistic pointless types applies to you (hurrr🤤durrr)" like no you vapid tools I am clicking on this because I already want to build a conlang don't pad your wordcount with nonsense introductions we aren't in Mrs. Grundy's sixth grade class any more 🖕 ... ahem. yes. yours still strikes the best balance, IMO. (still don't understand what would possess someone to describe a bunch of grammarical categories and linguistic variations and not provide a single example of or from a natural language... seriously except a new 40-min-long-first-video series which is decent, the rest of the material on the topic on YT is straight garbo.)

[@KaiserV-2]

I finally get to say I'm first.

[@TheBeastyBlackSheep]

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