BIBLE tells us to Eat Meat - Silly MEAT EATER comments #11

[@VeganTruth]

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[@getreadyyou]

Mmm lets see my Mother and father are both vegans and I'm the youngest of seven children. They are now 89 and 87yss and their Dr told them both that they are physically that of a 45yolds, blood pressure, blood count including iron etc. Please people do some real research before you comment about vegans being unhealthy.

[@saul2571]

I am a Christian and currently almost entirely vegan now. I have found reason and logic within the pages of the Bible and my life experiences have brought me to Christ. I started eating less meat for health reasons and now refuse to eat it for moral and ethical reasons. I’m barely eating any dairy or eggs now. I’m still working through baked goods. Holidays are still hard with pies and cakes. I refuse to give up. 100% veganism is my end goal. Through my belief in the Bible I actually see that God intended us to be, if not completely vegan, at least vegetarian from creation. God did allow man to start eating meat after the flood (probably out of at least short term necessity). Interestingly that is when lifespans started to drastically reduce. Just because God allows something doesn’t mean that we should do it. Paul says that all things are acceptable for me but not all things are beneficial. Jesus tells us that divorce was allowed but not the desirable result of marriage. Just because God allowed it doesn’t mean it is the best path but simply an allowed path. At this point in life eating meat isn’t needed anymore, regardless if it is still allowed. Plants can easily sustain us all while using far less land and resources. What we have now in the dairy and egg industry…there is no excuse for us to continue to eat animal products. We must ween ourselves from these foods. The violence within these industries directly violates God’s law for us. These industries are destroying our planet. We are to take care of this planet and its inhabitants, not destroy and violently murder everything we touch. It is sad though that most Christians do not see or understand the ethical problems with these industries nor would they wish to stop their own immoral actions to help stop these problems because meat, dairy, and eggs are too yummy to stop eating. I know a lot of people would rather eat these foods because they find them delicious, but it saddens me that Christians are not in the forefront on this issue as some Atheists definitely are. Christians should be seeking the moral choice here because of their love for God. Atheists who are vegan understand compassion here and it makes me sad to see people who confess to know the truth and ultimate love not seeing the problems with the actions of this society. My church prayer list is full of people with cancer, heart disease, and diabetes. Veganism is the solution and the fix for a lot of our health problems but people don’t want to hear it. Our immoral choices not only violently slaughters animals but is violently killing us at the same time. The moral choice is a win-win situation for everyone who does not benefit monetarily from the diary and egg industries. Please see that not all Christians are blind to this issue. Some of us see the problems and have decided to act morally now that we understand the meat, dairy, and egg industry practices. Like anybody else Christians are either ignorant or don’t care. We can at least fix ignorance if only people will listen.

[@gtur28]

Exactly!

[@Ipufication]

Don't look at the comment section, it's full of cancer! Please!

[@VeganTruth]

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[@Rachel_hikes_the_PCT]

Stupid comment of the day, my flat mate said "i would rather die thank eat vegan food" . Are you aware that your baked potato is vegan?!

[@emmadodd4528]

Not if you put cheese on it 😉😂

[@emmadodd4528]

+Constantinescu Christian it's ok if you didn't get it, not everyone gets sarcastic humour 👍🏻

[@MrThatonebitch]

I love when that lady writes "science proves..." And follows up with "science is a lie"... Lol OK

[@JohnFisher55]

Hey! TheVeganAtheist how about a video on SMART MEAT EATER Comments? That way people can actually learn a few things and your points can stand out more. I don't think it's is fair to pick on dumb people given that you are so intelligent and knowledgeable on the subject matter. There must be at least a few 'SMART' meat eater comments you've come across and are able to pick apart... You remember our discussion don't you? These videos are utterly pointless and you know it. Think about my request, thanks. JF.

[@VeganTruth]

***** im unaware of any smart meat eater comments. All too often smart people make these stupid level comments because they have never really seriously contemplated the issue. Which discussion are you speaking of? These videos are far from pointless. In fact many people have contacted me privately to thank me for changing their perceptions. I would appreciate if you don't tell me what I think. I am more then capable of thinking for myself.

[@JohnFisher55]

TheVeganAtheist Oh, and the issue would be? Apples/nuts/veggies & seeds vs. animal flesh/organs/fats? I assume you are advocating from a moral/social/ethical point of view? or is there just animosity torwards anyone who consumes flesh no matter what? Are you trying to persuade the 'western' world/society in particular? Sorry, just need some clarification. We had an on-going discussion on many of the issues a long while back. It was a congenial exchange. I raised excellent points.

[@VeganTruth]

***** the issues would be the consequences of eating animals (ie the reasons for being vegan). Why did you lump in apples with larger categories such as nuts/veggies? Vegans eat FRUIT, vegetables, grains, fungi, legumes, nuts, and seeds. I am arguing from a moral/social/ethical and practical point of view. The effects of continuing to eat animals has real world effects on the planet and our species. Im attempting to persuade those with the means and opportunity to be vegan, to become vegan. I don't recall the discussion we had, so I cannot confirm or deny if your points were in fact excellent.

[@JohnFisher55]

TheVeganAtheist I fully support veganism, I really do. The vegan lifestyle is propitious and I would recommend this lifestyle to anyone. Veganism goes far beyond moral principle-- issues such as animal welfare, healthy lifestyles and our entire species and planet are imperil. The only issues I have with you is your hesitancies and disregard for meat eaters as if we are all the same; a perverted corruption of what a real meat-eater constitutes. Another major issue is your failure to accept and acknowledge the importance of meat in the human evolutionary process and how we are who we are today because our ancestors consumed meat, organs, and other nutrient-rich animal products. Meat represented a reliable source of dense caloric energy packed with nutrients and vitamins essential to our prosperity. Our Big brains (the existence of which, I’m hoping, even the most ardent vegans don’t argue against) were made possible by the consumption of MEAT/ORGANS etc. Instead of spending all their metabolic energy processing cellulose and plant matter, our ancestors turned to a high-meat diet, which utilized fat-soluble vitamins, meant energy could be diverted away from a big fermenting pot of a stomach and toward fueling their massive brains. Easy to digest meat and fat made our big brains possible. I’m not saying vegetarianism makes people stupid, because it doesn’t. I’m just saying you should give credit where credit’s due. You’re able to ruminate on the horrors of meat eating and “articulate” your arguments for a very simple reason: your ancestors ate a ton of fresh, bloody meat and animal fat. Just be glad they didn’t share your dietary proclivities, or else you wouldn't be enjoying culture, language, music, and the other accomplishments of mankind’s big ass brain. Like I said--- I'm all for veganism and I fully understand your cause; but failure to acknowledge the importance of meat in human evolution is a major downfall, and shows your ignorance and lack of understanding of the ultimate, crucial reality...

[@VeganTruth]

***** no i dont hate meat eaters. Happy to hear you like my videos!

[@applepiexox6449]

I am going vegan ... !!! I finally made up my mind

[@sajfen]

Do it! Great for your health, the planet and the animals.

[@applepiexox6449]

I alreday do it

[@sajfen]

***** Welcome to the light side! =)

[@sajfen]

KEEP AT IT !

[@fionnmoules7620]

+sajfen light side.... Sigh

[@unknownfromheavenofficial6042]

Number 2 was the worst..and the problem is that there are many who think in that way. Learned a lot from these. thank you.

[@usfalliethatgirl]

I think I just found my new favorite channel on KZbin. Thanks for the great video, keep it up!!

[@viczio]

You always succeed at making me feel terrible. I'm not morally perfect and don't find eating meat to be bad, and i like the taste, so I don't want to be a Vegan, but I still feel like shit because you make good points XD Also, off topic: Your voice always sounds so robotic it's funny

[@zukodude487987]

Sure it's hard at first, but it is easier to transition just by decreasing the amount of meat and gradually add more plants. Mock meats are also good if you miss meat.

[@ZealotOfSteal]

I know exactly how you feel viczio .

[@orlandotongue6325]

zukodude487987 Mock meats are highly processed so much so that you would be better off eating the real thing and it would be more nuitritious.

[@zukodude487987]

Orlando Tongue So are most meats? Your point?

[@zukodude487987]

Orlando Tongue Grass fed, cage free shit etc. Means really nothing since even the purest if meats still have those cancer causing proteins, saturated fats, cholesterol lack of fiber.

[@sweetness583]

I think the comment I hate the most is "Don't force your morality onto other people". I can't stand that statement. It shows that the person does not even understand the basic reason why it's wrong to eat meat. They don't even view animals as victims. It's like their stupidity and hypocrisy have fused together. I hate that they think that is something mature to say. It's like saying "If you don't want to kill people, that's fine, but don't force your morality on to me." Isn't that the stupidest fucking thing you've ever heard? You have to judge the morality of an action from the view of the victim. The same reason it's wrong to kill humans just to eat them, is the same reason it's wrong to kill animals just to eat them.

[@franklee4598]

I'm a vegetarian and I'm learning to be a vegan so, I guess this thing helps my dote to be a vegan btw I am a vegetarian since birth.

[@kp1flush]

The incredible advancements we are STILL making on animal testing is amazing.

[@kp1flush]

Especially in neurological research.

[@ZealotOfSteal]

I'm pretty sure that second comment was a joke, but then again Poe's law is true for most cases.

[@Saturn-uz6jc]

Hi. I doubt you remember me, but 6 years ago you red pilled me on feminism and indirectly lead to my journey into politics. I would love to talk with you and see how each of us has changed over the last 6 years. If you are interested, you can find me on discord (Apollo#6588) or on Twitter (@Apollo0fTheSun). It wasn't easy finding you, so if you do see this, please consider letting me know.

[@SprocketWatchclock]

Well I think you'll be happy to hear I'm going vegan now...not because of this video mind you, mainly due to a one-on-one with a friend, but I figured I'd mention it.

[@Dandaldaks]

[@telenn4208]

Yay a new video Love your videos man

[@sadrobokiller4]

*Got to love vegan/vegetarian food, especially pasta :)*

[@UltraJordanGaming]

Why do you eat animal biproducts, just wondering?

[@moonburnt1250]

I don't agree with everything you say, but I really admire how you respond to these comments. :/ Keep up the good work.

[@toothless9081]

I was so afraid to tell my mother that i've been a vegan for a few month i thought she'd freak out but when I told her and when I explained the situation of animals to her she almost cried and she said that she was so proud of me for being so unselfish. Then on tv there was a report about the standart of animal slaughterhouses. She just came to me and said she wanted to be a vegan too. I'm so proud of her. Best mom ever.

[@MRayner59]

Doesn't raising fruit and vegetable crops involve the killing of insect pests that are arguably "sentient" at least insofar as feeling pain? Not to mention having to dispatch grain-eating vermin such as mice and other rodents. it's doubtful that wholly organic farming utilizing no pesticides or insecticides could achieve the levels of productivity needed to feed an entire planet of vegans (not that such a thing is EVER likely to happen).

[@Rosannasfriend]

That's why it's encouraged to eat organic options. Plus the fruit will be sweeter and better quality that way.

[@MRayner59]

***** Debatable about the "sweeter and better quality" claim - there's absolutely no evidence for that. But you're missing my point about how veganism would become problematic if it was actually adopted on a widespread basis to the point where the majority of food production required purely organic farming methods.

[@Aeghamedic]

Veganism is about doing the best we can. It's impossible to live without being at an expense to other lifeforms. However, raising meat requires even more farming than otherwise. So eating the plants directly results in the least amount of death possible. So much food is spent feeding the livestock everyone consumes. If we used that land to grow human-grade crops, we would have loads of food, more than we would if we ate meat. A cow, for instance, require nearly 10 pounds of food to grow one pound. That means a pound of beef is worth 10 pounds of, say, wheat or corn. That's a lot of food wasted. Basically, if there's no other option than to harm animals, then you're justified. But if it's avoidable, then you should avoid it. That's the vegan stance. I can't eat without insects and field mice being killed, unfortunately. But we can reduce the number harmed, at least.

[@MRayner59]

Aeghamedic Well, I realize that meat-eating is pretty much indefensible from an ethical standpoint with respect to animal welfare concerns (no matter how "humane") and also not the most environomentally eco-friendly farming practice, but I'm quite untroubled by it all - which I guess makes me a rather selfish and thoroughly bad person, morally speaking. I admire your commitment to "doing the best" - it's just not something I'm prepared to do, I'm afraid because I find the vegan diet so unappealing. As I see it, life is far too short to deprive myself of something so basic and yet highly enjoyable for some "greater good", especially when it won't make a whit's worth of difference in the scheme of things.

[@Aeghamedic]

***** If everyone held off on doing the right thing because no one else was doing it, then we'd live in a world much more depraved than we do now. As of now, the simple existence of vegans is beneficial. People are generally curious when they learn I'm vegan, but they're also not completely informed. So when they ask questions, I'm there to answer. Also, there's comfort in numbers. It's easier for social change to occur when every tenth person you meet supports it as opposed to every fiftieth. The change may not be painfully obvious now, but the number of vegans is growing, and that's all that matters right now (and with the internet, I wouldn't be surprised if it grows faster than before). Also, there is a rather large vegan movement in Israel. I would not be shocked if Israel's vegan population reaches a majority in my lifetime. So it's not all pointless. One vegan does make a difference, even if you're there just to answer questions. I would say give it a shot. It couldn't hurt. You don't even have to go all out. Maybe try going meatless once or twice a week at first and see where it goes. Of course, I wouldn't recommend jumping feet first without doing a bit of research beforehand. You may be able to be a vegan and live on french fries and soda, but you won't feel too great after a while, and I wouldn't want you coming away from it thinking it's wholly unhealthy. Vegan foods can be just as, if not more, delicious than non-vegan foods. The next time you have dinner, look at all the meat and ask where the flavor comes from. The meat itself? Or is it all the herbs and spices (plants) that are thrown onto it?

[@MasterMindWC]

Dear Vegan Atheist, it is with deepest regrets that I must inform you that I have no other choice now and that choice is to unsubscribe from your channel. As I watched "stupid meat eater", I was shocked that you implied that all farm animals are treated like the ones in your video under cruel conditions. I've only seen the horrors in videos and I live in Nebraska where farms and farm animals are just about all there is. The cows I see graze in open fields, the chickens I see running around the yards of houses in the country, not stuffed into pens small and dark. I would also remind you that eating animals is not cruel, other animals who are carnivore do so as well like wolf to a rabbit. Yes Humans are omnivores, however both meat and vegetables alike in combination is the most efficient way to supply our diet needs and to deny that is denying Evolution. Doesn't matter if you like it, that's the facts of it. Good day sir. May I never see your pompous ass videos ever again.

[@VeganTruth]

Patrick Keefer I guess you haven't watched my videos with close enough attention since I repeatedly mention that my objection is less to do with treatment, and more to do with use. You may see animals treated better, but that does not address the immorality of keeping animals captive/controlling their lives/slaughtering them way before their natural death/ etc, irrespective of how well or ill they are treated. Would you ever argue that it would be alright to treat humans as the farmers keep their livestock? Would you consider that acceptable? Why or why not?

[@VeganTruth]

Patrick Keefer also, what did you expect my position would be when my channel is called The VEGAN atheist? Did you expect that I would not address it? Did you not notice the many videos already uploaded? I've always wondered this when I get similar remarks from youtubers.

[@VeganTruth]

ItsonlyaKangaroo Where was I an asshole? Please point it out to me.

[@ItsonlyaKangaroo]

"You may see animals treated better, but that does not address the immorality of keeping animals captive/controlling their lives/slaughtering them way before their natural death/ etc, irrespective of how well or ill they are treated. Would you ever argue that it would be alright to treat humans as the farmers keep their livestock? Would you consider that acceptable? Why or why not?" That sums it up, asking a completely loaded and smug question. Humans as a species have been anthropophagic in years past, however for hundreds of thousands of years we have lived by raising animals for consumption. You may feel its wrong but it is a hard wired trait in us omnivores. You feel there is no ethical way it can be done, and I feel its because YOU personally couldn't treat animals well if they were for YOUR consumption. Essentially by not eating them you don't allow yourself to commit the evil act you feel you, yourself could commit. Plenty of people raise animals with love and care for consumption, you'd like to pretend we are all savages because it makes it easier to rationalize your own vile thoughts. Theres my 10 cents. Im done answering questions about you, maybe you should search deep and find your own examples next time someone calls you an ass.

[@ItsonlyaKangaroo]

TheVeganAtheist You don't think its a loaded question to ask if its alright to farm humans. Wow must be hard to breathe with your head so far up your ass. Not sure where war came into a discussion of cuisine but your great at steering questions to suit your own personal agenda, good luck with politics.

[@ABitOfTheUniverse]

5:18 This really hurt your case for me.

[@fittzie]

Agreed. It seems odd to me that he would then not understand that he justifies the killing of one life over another simply because the life that is being taken resembles his the least.

[@vietphamification]

Sentient. That's the difference. Plant's don't have brains or a nervous system. But forget about this textbook stuff. Try it for yourself. If you can cut a carrot the same way you cut a pig's throat then by all means...

[@fittzie]

Viet Pham Is it O.K. to then Kill insects because we can stomp on them without a second thought but not do the same with animals

[@Aeghamedic]

***** Plants aren't sentient, but let's assume they are for the sake of argument. We still need to eat. So what we could do is reduce the amount of plants killed to feed us. The only way to go about this is by eating them directly. Food-to-energy is inefficient. Much of what you feed to animals is lost. A cow is very inefficient (ten pounds of food for one pound of flesh). In this situation, where plants are sentient, then veganism would still be the best way to limit suffering.

[@vietphamification]

***** If you can stomp on them without second thoughts by all means eat them. Could you do the same with a pig, cow, etc?

[@tiabiabeauty6934]

So glad I found your channel through Unnatural Vegan. I've been binge watching all day.

[@levilapsley3811]

shouldn't it be called stupit omnivore comments ?

[@HopyHop1]

+Levi Lapsley No, because vegans are just as omnivorous as people who choose meat. A pig would still be considered an omnivore even if it never ate other animals.

[@ThePianofreaky]

+Levi Lapsley It should be called stupid carnist comments

[@gothicknight5538]

+Levi Lapsley An omnivore still can be considered a meat-eater. Just like I can be considered a carrot-eater, although I also consume broccoli.

[@apocalypsed]

I enjoy most of your videos and gladly subscribed to you. But I do not understand why you call other people stupid. Even if they are, calling somebody stupid sounds like trying to be superior. I'd rather see a video called "arguments against meat-eaters" than calling somebody else stupid. It won't make them listen to the arguments you have and can easily end every discussion. Better set a good example :-) (sorry for my bad English, it's not my first language)

[@VeganTruth]

message in a bottle I've never called anyone stupid. People may hold stupid beliefs, and make stupid comments, but I would not label a person stupid.

[@Yorker1998]

TheVeganAtheist And it may take stupid people to acquire stupid beliefs in the first place. Everyone is stupid at something.

[@crazypolishvegan7369]

Love your videos TheVeganAtheist! Thank you man :) I nominate #2 for dumbass comment of the week.

[@AA-ws2uw]

Dear Mr vegan man. The reason why human beings are omnivore is because that a brilliant characteristics to have in terms of survival. However now that we have become accustomed to farming and the our population is rapidly increasing, it is wiser to limit our meat consumption. I do respect your life choice, although you are very fortunate, in that you live in a time and place where you can receive vitamin B12 from man made products such pills and fortified goods, others wise you would have serious health issues such as damage to your nervous system. I do find you to be aggressive and some what intolerant (which is funny since you an atheist vegan, a combination that should mark you as the beacon of tolerance ). You assume that everyone in every part of the world can choose to live a vegan or vegetarian life style. I grew up in parts of the world where droughts were frequent and vegetation was limited to grass, our main diet was what ever little grain/maize we could salvage, we herded goats, sheep and couple of cows and every so often we would slaughter one or two and share the meat amongst the family. That was how we survived, and we were lucky because starvation was common in our village. I never had any sympathy for the animals we herded , why should I be sadden it, when I die, I will be buried, and flora and fauna will feast upon me, the energy I took when I consumed them, will be returned.I still do not, to not want to survive is to be degenerate (this is subjective). I am now 18 and living on my own in the UK and still can not pursue a vegan/vegetarian life style, due to to the simple fact that its bloody expensive. I do not even eat healthy. The moment I am economically capable, I will become a vegetarian not vegan. You should be less condescending, you remind of of a christian, the way you come across all superior due to your ideology and life choice. there far worse things to be than a meat eater. Good day my friend.

[@AV57]

Here is veganism as defined by Donald Watson (1910-2005), the man who coined the word vegan in 1944. "The word "veganism" denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude - as far as is possible and practical - all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

[@AA-ws2uw]

AV 57 I dont understand why reply to me. What you said although interested, did dont have to directed at me.

[@AV57]

ayan abdullahi You seemed confused as to what veganism was.

[@Marko-dn9lf]

ayan abdullahi This is entirely covered when he states that killing and eating another being is justifying for your own survival. Anyone who can be a vegan, should be a vegan. You can't be a vegan because of cost reasons, and that's okay.

[@directr4288]

Another Wannabe i would be a vegan if i wasn't too lazy to think about what i eat

[@Shadownian]

Fighting and arguing over eating meat or being vegan or whatever else is a first world issue. Its only when you have an ample supply that you can be picky and choose to deny certain foods. Those who have grown up not as well off, or worse, take what we are given. Hell alot of the time, having a nice turkey, ham, steak, or what have you is a luxury that alot of people cant afford. Sorry, but by saying your vegan, or any other kind of exclusionary diet, your also saying you are too good to eat something that others would kill to have. No pun intended. You can be against how animals are treated, and fight for them to have better conditions, or more humane deaths, but to say you wont eat this that or the other thing is to say im well enough off that I can brush aside food that others are staving to have. That you are better. And to me, thats anything but moral.

[@zukodude487987]

Meat is a luxury, plants are cheap and abundant. Being vegan means avoiding unnecessary murder. When your only supply of food is meat then your reasons for eating meat is survival, but if you live in a place where you do have other options then choosing to eat meat is unnecessary.

[@vietphamification]

Actually this is a 3rd world issue too. The arable lands are used to grow agriculture to feed the farmed animals. We fish the ocean so much that local fish population has plummeted. Thus people starving because of meat, fish, dairy, and eggs.

[@zukodude487987]

Buttered Lumps Vegans have nothing against eating meat if you don't have the resources for it. We are simply against choosing meat over plants IF you have the choice.

[@Shadownian]

zukodude487987 Problem is, and this is just from what ive personally seen, alot of "vegans" say they are so because of the mistreatment of animals, but yet they do nothing to try to better that treatment. They are not activist, they don't stand before congress to try and demand change, they make the easy decision just not to eat meat. Its all just very passive aggressive and really doesnt change anything. Its more for the person, to feel better about themselves, then it is about the actual animals they say they are trying to save.

[@vietphamification]

Shadownian PETA, even though I don't agree a lot with them, is passive? Mercy for animals exposes the torture on farms that people would deny. Food for life feeds millions of meals per day. Usually people call vegans "militant." I don't hear a lot of passive. Remember vegans are up against big farms. They just won and don't even have to label GMOs. Farms are trying to make it illegal to record illegal activities that the farms do to animals. You are the change you want to bring. When given the choice to go vegan in an ethical point of view then the choice is easy. In a more practical point of view eating meat is much more convenient. I don't know how you can say being vegan is easy.

[@sparkle0859]

Your voice is so hot 😍

[@anoneem8193]

I was 13 sleeping at boarding school when the head religious mother asked us like every night, to speak out oud for who we were to pray before going to sleep... I had heard on the radio that morning that 'baby seals' were going to be slaughtered again' that year and Brigitte Bardot was calling for compassion and stop of the killing. I started to say that I was praying for the animals that were going to die that season and before I finished my sentence, the mother superior shouted with a very heavy menacing voice :"ONE DOESN'T PRAY FOR ANIMALS !"... From that moment, GOD and me was HISTORY. FINITO, FORGOTTEN, THE END.

[@rowandunn9977]

I am eating a turkey leg while watching this. Om nom nom.

[@Purplehornedunicorn]

my favourite channel apart from onision😍

[@samanthamiller971]

ditto!

[@Herrzfan]

Greeting from Germany. Vegans United!!

[@jabberwockydraco4913]

Who else wants TheVeganAthiest to open a new cooking channel?

[@flogreen8818]

Not me

[@celest7548]

TheVeganAtheist You are incredible! I have suscribed your channel! Don't forget: "It's not because they are 1000 to be wrong that it makes them right" !

[@Eloise_1993]

I just watched all of your "Stupid Meat Eater Comments" videos and I have to say - you make wonderful points! Thank you for being a voice for the other animals that we share our planet with. Keep up the great work! :)

[@_Crush__]

Why I am a meat eater 1. I am 20+ lbs underweight and therefore could not survive without fat, protein, and meat. As a skinny diabetic I stand my ground for the benefits of my health. 2. Plus as a teen in a middle class family I couldn't be a vegan because of the extreme expensiveness it costs.

[@vegangrimartharceikeverjn8836]

""My doctrine is this, that if we see cruelty or wrong that we have the power to stop, and do nothing, we make ourselves sharers in the guilt."

[@VictorAlexanderFiltenborg]

You hit me with this one. I knew this to begin with as a vegetarian who by definition isn't vegan. People have 'demons' in them who come to their defense whenever their consciousness is touched. It's funny to see. I will try to be a vegan

[@phantom008100]

Hey VeganAtheist!I just wanted to share a thought about this video. I find this one better than other videos from the "Stupid *** comments" series because I usually feel like you tend to dumm down all 5 comments of the video even when there are some reasonnable arguments that you could answer to in a less condescending way,but in this particular episode that problem was gone;it felt to me like you analyzed more carefully the comments and that you drew a line between the ones that were straight up idiotic and the ones of people whose convictions are different than yours and are trying to express what they think. I'm refering to the 5th comment in which there were some understandable points of view which you adressed politely and clearly,so good job on that :-)

[@lovepeace1953]

i love ur channel and always find it logical,. just one thing i would like to add. the hindu deity you used in this video at 4;27, strictly forbids any sort of meat eating all together. any of his follower never ever consumes any sort of meat or eggs. all the best with your mission . :)

[@cookiezmilk6012]

You know, I REALLY appreciate how you just seem to LOVE making me feel like a horrible, no good, and extremely obese 13-year old. Thank you SO MUCH for making my day :D

[@wilsonvicente9573]

RedRunner2001 Running if you're obese, thats on you. Nobody can make you "feel like it"

[@orlandotongue6325]

After being vegan for quite sometime and loving the vegan life I cannot help but think that there is really no moral reason for me to be vegan anymore. The only difference now is that I get my meat from a local farmer who is conscious about life and how he treats it. Plants having feelings and communicate. They are male and female and reproduce and they take care of their young as has been proven. They share DNA with humans and other animals and I just can no longer see a difference between killing a plant or an animal for consumption. I would like to hear a valid and sound convincing argument for vegans because I've run out.

[@MsWannabeGamer]

Being vegan kills far less plants than if you eat meat, as you require much more plants for 1 pound of beef than you do for 1 pound of plants. So if you care so much for plants, go vegan. Your farmer can be "conscious about life" all he wants, he still has to kill those animals at some point and it's not done without pain, otherwise it wouldn't be profitable or sustainable. Keeping animals as slaves and killing them is in and of itself unfair to the animal. Plants don't have feelings and they don't communicate. They have no brain. They simply react to their environment like a rock does when it's pushed. They evolved to do that. Evolving doesn't require sentience, it simply requires life. Life does not equal sentience. The plant that mutates to release a smell when it's being eaten is more likely to survive than the plants that doesn't. It's simple mutation, no sentience required. It's simply plant evolution. Plants can't take care of their young, they have no young, nor do they have the ability to take care of anything. Sharing DNA doesn't mean they're equal. You haven't put a lot of thought into this, have you?

[@orlandotongue6325]

You are mistaken. In fact plants do communicate and take care of their young. When I parent tree drops a seed on the ground and the seed begins to grow the parent tree recognizes this and assists the young tree by supplying it with nutrients. They also communicate through the plant network. All plants do this, do your research. Also, what qualifies a sentient. Plants do have feelings and a lot of them as has been showed in botany research. By the way killing a cow actually saves more plants because the cow will no longer be eating them. Less cows=more plants. Of course I would never want to go around killing cows but we actually only need to consume a small portion of animal meat.

[@orlandotongue6325]

By the way do you know how many plants we kill just to sit on our table and look pretty in a vase. Maybe you haven't been to your local grocery store in a minute, but it's a lot so keeping plants as "slaves" is pretty damned bad too. Also conscious farmers actually help sustain domesticated livestock because they have been bred for this reason. I am totally again Inhumane and I excessive unnecessary use of plants and animals however proper and regulated use is fine.

[@MsWannabeGamer]

Orlando Tongue I have read the research on plants and they do no such thing. They simply drop a seed and it grows. No nutrients are supplied to it. They don't communicate, they react to their environment. You do your research and don't just read article titles, which are often misleading. All research on plants simply indicates that they react to their environment through a chemical reaction, no feelings or awareness needed. Again, don't just read article titles, but actually read the contents of the articles. We BREED cows, we create more of them. We artificially inseminate them in order to kill their young. If we didn't eat meat, we wouldn't breed so many animals, so they wouldn't eat as many plants. The only we kill so many of them is because we breed so many of them. By eating meat, we breed more cows, which eat more plants to produce one pound of meat. We don't reduce the amount of plants eaten by killing cows, quite the opposite. The only reason we have so many cows is because we artificially inseminate them. We create a problem, which is too many cows and then you think the solution is to keep breeding them like crazy and killing them? We can only achieve less cows by not breeding them, which means we shouldn't eat meat. If you truly care about plants so much, you would be against the breeding and eating of animals which require much more plants to be killed. We don't need to consume any meat, because we can get all our nutritional needs from plants and we can get the quantity of plants we need. Any meat we eat is unnecessary and therefore just cruel. You're not a vegan and you never have been, otherwise you would have done your research and know all of this.

[@orlandotongue6325]

I think you should honestly do your homework and as a physicist I don't need someone with little science knowledge to tell me to stop reading "titles". I'm well aware of what goes on in science and I am just stating fact that obviously conflicts with your world view. What constitutes as sentience to you? The last time I checked life itself was sentient. Are you telling me that it is okay to eat a jellyfish because it has no brain? Also again plants do communicate and supply nutrients to younger plants. They also send chemical signals of distress to alarm other plants of danger. They also get diseases and they often get sick. There are also carnivorous plants. Should carnivorous plants be vegan? Do your homework.

[@mangaqueen1243]

I'm proud to say that even though I still do eat meat, I am slowly but surely getting my meat consumption to a minimum until maybe I will go vegetarian, or even make the leap to veganism. I have also found that lentils make for a great meal(especially with some other vegetables or added to pretty much any pasta meal) and that hummus can make a delicious burger meat replacement. :)

[@ybrynecho2368]

Just for consideration, this is from the National Osteoporosis Foundation: Tips for Eating for Good Bone Health - Beans (legumes). While beans contain calcium, beans contain magnesium, fiber and other nutrients, they are also high in substances called phytates. Phytates interfere with your body’s ability to absorb the calcium that is contained in beans. You can reduce the phytate level by soaking beans in water for several hours and then cooking them in fresh water. Meat and other high protein foods. It’s important to get enough, but not too much protein for bone health and overall health. Many older adults do not get enough protein in their diets and this may be harmful to bones. However, special high protein diets that contain multiple servings of meat and protein with each meal can also cause the body to lose calcium. You can make up for this loss by getting enough calcium for your body’s needs. For example dairy products, although high in protein, also contain calcium that is important for healthy bones. Spinach and other foods with oxalates. Your body doesn’t absorb calcium well from foods that are high in oxalates (oxalic acid) such as spinach. Other foods with oxalates are rhubarb, beet greens and certain beans. These foods contain other healthy nutrients, but they just shouldn’t be counted as sources of calcium. Wheat bran. Like beans, wheat bran contains high levels of phytates which can prevent your body from absorbing calcium. However, unlike beans 100% wheat bran is the only food that appears to reduce the absorption of calcium in other foods eaten at the same time. For example, when you have milk and 100% wheat bran cereal together, your body can absorb some, but not all, of the calcium from the milk. The wheat bran in other foods like breads is much less concentrated and not likely to have a noticeable impact on calcium absorption. If you take calcium supplements, you may want to take them two or more hours before or after eating 100% wheat bran. If you must follow a vegan diet you must ensure that you are getting the maximum doses of calcium, vitamin D and magnesium from supplements.

[@drbrain5475]

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

[@idawala710]

I watched some of your videos about eating meat and they actually made me consider changing my diet, I know it's not easy and it won't happen in a day but I thank you for opening my mind to a new idea I haven't even thought about.

[@Marxist-Chillest]

I'd be more than willing to go vegan if I could, but since I'm only highschool and don't make my own food, I can't. But, I'm gonna give it a shot when I can in a few years.

[@lonniegabbie]

"sky daddy" LMAO IM DEAD

[@MagicalFruitBasket]

PARADOX: It has been proven by science that science is false.

[@eCs0y41iuD]

Ok, I understand your arguments about meat eating. I also understand the egg and milk arguments. But plz answer this: If I have my own chickens in my yard (I live in a village). If I just keep them there, allow them to walk around my yard eating stuff, not locking them in a cage or anything, what is wrong about eating their eggs? I don't harm anyone, the eggs are not sentient beings. The chickens live better than they would live in the wild (protected by preditors etc). It's a win-win situation both for me and the chickens. This is not a hypothetical question. My grandparents still live in a village and have chicken and other animals. They are not vegan of course, but I someone likes eggs, what is the problem in doing what I described??

[@denisebennett733]

Hi! I was wondering if you might have some good book/resource recommendations for my increasing number of vegan patients? I'm a dietetic clerk, currently studying to become a registered dietitian, and would love to be able to point to some budget friendly ways to prepare their meals. Peer reviewed articles are welcome. Great channel, glad I found it!

[@BustedKeyboard]

I'm not vegan but would like to be. Extremely limited budget and not knowing how to prepare many vegan dishes limits me though.

[@noxteryn]

>Comparing eating meat to rape and murder. >Calling others stupid. My sides.

[@nomis]

Brilliant as allways good sir. Even though I'm not a vegan, I'm a strong advocate for everyone's right to choose. Love your channel and videos, keep it up. =)

[@ZackeryCochran]

For the guy that says "If they were in our shoes, they would do the same thing," well, if they were in our shoes, then there would also be vegans. If all of a sudden YOU were the animal being treated badly (like in your hypothetical) wouldn't your view on veganism chang just a bit? Would you all of a sudden support rights for species other than just the dominant ones on the planet?

[@RAMEGA14]

I am a meat eater but you make excellent points that make me rethink what I eat. Was the lifestyle change difficult?

[@vegangrimartharceikeverjn8836]

"It is not an act of kindness to treat animals respectfully. It is an act of justice. It is not 'the sentimental interests' of moral agents that grounds our duties of justice to children, the retarded, the senile, or other moral patients, including animals. It is respect for their inherent value. The myth of the privileged moral status of moral agents has no clothes."

[@crypto457]

Meat makes your brain smarter? I never heard of that level of stupid.

[@finnphillosa1431]

Okay, little dilemma here: If given several choices on possible reasons or factors in favor of conversion, would a vegan or authority on these subjects arrange them in a list of subsequence? They are as follows: dietary choice, environmental choice, religious choice, and ethical choice.

[@tabularasa0606]

You missed in #2 that first Jack tells you that your brain gets smaller because science tells you, and later he tells you that science is a lie. He must be really stupid.

[@EGeorgev]

Holy sh*t! Jesus is reading the first commentary xD Also I vote for #2

[@leojaksic8372]

I really hate it when meat eater/vegan issues are confused with atheist/christian issues.

[@Sicarius_7]

Uh...genesis specifically says humans were given every fruit and plant to eat; it says *nothing* about eating meat or other animals. I Love how Jacton Lace first claims that "science has proven" eating less meat makes you brain smaller, only to go on and assert that "science is a lie." Uh...... Did he just call his own "proof" a lie? O-o Yea I have to vote #2 just for the pure, self-contradictory stupidity.

[@claudealpha2090]

My view is that as an omnivore specie of animals, we humans have evolved to have a taste for meat and for plants respectively, to ensure our survival, in case one type of food is not available. We are part of the food chain after all. I respect your decision to only graze grass and chew leaves all day, as I am an animal lover too and I don't like the way they are treated and forced to live. However, as we have seen in the wildlife, there are predators that eat meat for survival and to balance the environment. If there was nothing that would hunt and consume the herbivore animals, the plant growth would not be able to keep up with the reproduction of consumers, and the consumers would eventually die off due to lack of plants that they eat. In our genetics, we have a taste for both animal food and plant food, which is why I like to have a combination of starchy, dairy, fruit, vegetable, fish and meat products in my life. In conclusion: 1. I like to have a selection from every category of food in my life(except confection products such as sweets, chocolate and other sugary foods, because I am sure they're just as bad as smoking and alcohol), 2. It keeps a balance in the food chain/ environment and 3. We are omnivore and part of the food chain too. I hope you understand what I am trying to say. I look forward for your perspective on my argument.

[@crabe804]

Claudiu Moldovan With my respects, as your arguments are quite usual on this topic, I think the vegan atheist would answer you something like this : www.vegansidekick.com/guide

[@Niall487]

I'm on my phone so can't like this so I'm just gonna comment. I completely agree with everything you said biologically we are omnivores, we have enzymes that's sole purpose is the break down of meat and teeth like our canines to tear meat but also othere teeth for the grinding of vegetation. I wouldn't hold your breath for a response from him though, he just ignores any comments that have any scientific basis. I posted something similar to yours on another video and it was ignored

[@crabe804]

Niall487 scientific basis! scientific basis....but, guy, every debate is *morale* , is *ethic* , after being based on *scientific facts* . In first, you want to know if something is possible. After that, you want to know if it's good for society and mankind to do that. silly e.g., to show the fallacy : 1. scientific basis : wearing appropriate shoes is good against back pain 2.ethical debate : should we wear shoes? ( *unnaturals* , after all) In the same way _«[...] like our canines to tear meat[...]»_ www.godfist.com/vegansidekick//guide/#a14 _«[...]biologically we are omnivores[...]»_ www.godfist.com/vegansidekick//guide/#a16b facebook.com/vegansidekick/photos/pb.450350651726063.-2207520000.1414925227./574377572656703/?type=3&theater _«I posted something similar to yours on another video and it was ignored»_ Quite ironic for a "scientific" to believe he is the centre of universe. (Big up, Galileo) Your opinion about this subject is quite standard and show you miss the point, either involuntarily or voluntarily. Let me explain you the point with a lot of *scientific basis* : It appears that eating meat is not useful to be healthy. Vegan diet is not a "perfect" diet, but it works. You can live without eating meat : ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24667136 corollary : you eat meat just for *pleasure* and *tradition* And it's fine. pleasure is good...except if it's immoral and incredibly bad for environment In the past, there were regular farms, with cows eating grass and pigs eating food leftovers.Not anymore :to feed 4 billons of humans in western countries, twice a day, with meat, you need industrial efficiency, rationalisation and optimisation of meat production.That's the issue. Actually, there's 58.000.000.000 farm animals on this planet raised by us to feed us... But it's not necessary anymore for health. Moreover, they don't drink just one glass of water , they don't eat a grass catch before reaching adulthood in one day . They literally eat and shit more than 60% of water and cereals (and not grass!) resources in western countries for a very weak meat production, due to bioconversion. www.viande.info/english/files/pictures/diagrams/water-need-for-food/water-need-for-food-600x450.png h2theno.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/wwf-graph.jpg www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/06/gr-burgers-462.gif It's a massive waste of ressource...and, as you need a great amount of corn to feed cows, you need fertilizer, pesticides and water to let the productive wheat grow, you pollute indirectly the ground more than necessary. We feed 95% of the cattle with cereals supplementations to let them grown faster. But, as corn proteins are not balanced in amino -acid, you need soya to complete it. And, as beef need great amount of soya, you need to import it from a country where the soya crops are a disaster for environment. (even if the soya cultivated to make tofu or soya milk are often made in your country! Because as you eat it directly, you don't need to produce great amounts of it quickly) Moreover, there's cattle welfare big issue, due to modern industrial production devices. First of all : I have nothing against killing animals to eat their meat... if it's painless . Farm animals, as big mammals, are quite sentients. (= they can feel pain) Animals sentience and awareness is a very complicated debate, and I won't argue (I'm quite ignorant about it). Just know, roughly speaking, that a pig is more clever than a dog : www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347209003571 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test And we keep 95% of pigs in it : www.bing.com/images/search?q=gestation+crate+pig&FORM=HDRSC2 (Please note : here is a search for "gestation+pig+crate", wich is just the name of the device.) Without moving, in the dark. All their life. We ampute their tails, teeth, testicles, and make them injections, to be able to raise them in crates. and it's not an exception from a "bad farm", at all : www.sustainabletable.org/274/animal-welfare en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_animal_farming#Animal_welfare Dairy is not harmless either : A cow need to be pregnant to produce milk. Hence, a cow is inseminated to produce milk. You inseminate her non-stop for three year before it finish exhausted (otherwise it can live 20 years) and always kill its male calf, as you don't need it. In the same way, for hen and chicks : useless, all male chicks are killed. It's not a big issue (for me), but there's the welfare issue remaining : I won't go further, but there's a lot of details remaining. Veganism is just the easiest, laziest (yes) way to no abuse animals, respect environment and show that we must drastically reduce our meat and dairy consumption.

[@Niall487]

crabe don't try and lecture me on farming, i live on a free range cattle farm. It may be different where you live but almost all fertilizers here are slurry meaning they are fully organic, yes this does have problems with euthrophication but that is simple to stop. Again it may be diiferent where you live but here Cattle are not fed on corn, they eat grass from spring to late autumn while then receiving silage and hay in the winter months. That is a lie that the cow finishes and i assume you mean gets killed, a cow birthing a calf a year on average lives to around 15 or 16. The males are not killed as calves also, some are used in stock as bulls if they are what is wanted by the farmer while the rest are fed until adolescence when they are killed. You can't argue with scientific facts, it is a fact that we have evolved to be omnivores. Plus never cite an obviously bias website when referencing. www.godfist.com/vegansidekick//guide/#a14 it just makes you look stupid. Everything we do is bad for the environment, us having this discussion is bad for the environment as more fuel is needed to power our computers meaning more C02 production, more deforestation. The very computers or phones we are on probably have materials that came from mines in the third world where habitats were destroyed. If you want to reply citing an unbiased source go ahead but if you use another obviously biased one i will just ignore it. Look for a reference that is purely factual and not an opinion

[@crabe804]

Niall487 _«don't try and lecture me on farming»_ I don't. I explain my point. As I don't know you, it makes sense to explain that, isn't it? _« i live on a free range cattle farm.»_ With all my respect : Nobody care. Because it's *your story* , guy, and it's not an *argument* . Einsein never said _«E=MC², because you know I live in a good research center, a very fine one, not a bad reseach center where my contradictor certainly live, and I know very well how science work...»_ No, Einstein never said that. He used no *claims* , not *personnal experience* ... but *evidences* to come to a general statement (= theory here), not a personnal situation. And, as I read it, the actual trend is, for a crushing majority, to the intensive farming : www.nature.com/nature/journal/v418/n6898/full/nature01014.html _« this does have problems with euthrophication but that is simple to stop.»_ Oh? With the same efficiency and labour force? Call the USDA right now, you're a rich man! _«Again it may be diiferent where you live but here Cattle are not fed on corn, they eat grass from spring to late autumn while then receiving silage and hay in the winter months.»_ Again : It's a personnal situation, not a general situation. We don't care about where you live or where I live : We speak about *general situation and facts.* Outstanding how guys who complain about the lack of scientifical studies in their counterpart argumentation don't care about the general evidences for themselve, and feel obliged to talk about their personnal situation ( _«Fukushima? Nuclear power station issue? No, man, all is good : I live near a fine and very modern station, man, so there's no issue worldwide.»_ ) _«That is a lie that the cow finishes and i assume you mean gets killed, a cow birthing a calf a year on average lives to around 15 or 16»_ A lie, really? You mean : The large majority of cows in western countries live 15 or 16 years, and die by a natural death? Do you want I check this "lie" out? _«You can't argue with scientific facts, it is a fact that we have evolved to be omnivores.»_ Yes : From the beginning, I argue that we are omnivores, guy. You don't read my comments. Moreover, I argue that we have not evolved to wear shoes and clothes, drive cars, eat chocolate and aspirin, reading a comment on a screen, use cellular phones, sleep in bed and 99% of what you actually do. It's a fallacy to think we are designed to do some things, excepted unnatural thing that suit us. www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/?page=comics_natural _«Plus never cite an obviously bias website when referencing. __www.godfist.com/vegansidekick//guide/#a14__ it just makes you look stupid.»_ Thank for the insult. It's a mark of intelligence and open mind. I am sure of the contrary, because you only use claims and not evidences at all. Moreover this link is a part of the Ethic debate. A debate you ignore from the beginning, trusting humans only do what is "natural" (like entire agriculture, btw) This link is here to show you the fallacy in your narrow minded opinion with mainly faiths, no ethical position and no evidences. There's a name for that : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance _«Everything we do is bad for the environment, us having this discussion is bad for the environment as more fuel is needed to power our computers meaning more C02 production, more deforestation. The very computers or phones we are on probably have materials that came from mines in the third world where habitats were destroyed.»_ Ok, so we can do nothing. I can't save the whales, because it won't save the entire world. A doctor can't cure a patient, because it won't cure all the patients. _«If you want to reply citing an unbiased source go ahead but if you use another obviously biased one i will just ignore it. Look for a reference that is purely factual and not an opinion»_ I have sourced Nature, AJCN, NCBI, Sciencedirect, Pubmed, NPR. You have sourced your personnal experience and faiths. You will ignore me not because I have biased source. You will ignore me because I gave you exactly what you wanted to have. (I should say "what you expected to _not have_ ", to be more accurate.) And as you have no strong arguments against that, and it confuses you, you prefer ragequit, denying all of the rational evidences of the vegan diet, to stay in a convenient state of mind and don't think anymore. Don't think against yourself and just follow the general movement is so confortable, isn't it? If you want to go back on your mean comments and to have a more respectful debate, I'm agree to do the same on my own.

[@annbillingsley7273]

5 Reasons I'm not vegan anymore. 1. It costs too much. Although I'm sure it is possible to make meals from scratch with non organic vegetables I'm no chef and I hate cooking anything complicated so at the end of the day I was a processed foods vegan. Processed foods for vegans are considerably more expensive than processed foods for non vegans. 2. My girlfriend and her kids are not vegan and sharing meals with them is important and exceedingly more convenient than making something separate all the time. 3. As a person who stayed vegan 99% of the time for 2 years I never stopped craving non vegan foods that were being consumed in front of me. I knew what they tasted like, and sometimes there was never an acceptable substitute. 4. Veganism used to be done to add significant meaning to life, and when I started a family I had more than enough meaning in my life to be satisfied. 5. I fell off the wagon far too often, and the grief/guilt hit me every time. I'd feel like a hypocrite, I'd feel embarrassed, I'd feel like I wasn't living up to the high standards I was preaching.

[@AV57]

1) No, it doesn't. 2) You're just being lazy. If you care about something, you put the required effort in. 3) What's an acceptable substitute? 4) You started a family, therefore your responsibility to other sentient beings decreased as a result? 5) You made some mistakes, so rather than right the ship, you decided it was better to just sink it.

[@TheVeganSceptic]

I wish these great videos could be produced everyday. Thank you so much for your awesome job TheVeganAtheist.

[@DDD033]

I find this topic difficult because I've never been able to find myself disagreeing with a vegan.I do eat meat but vegans tend to have very logical arguments so there's nothing to disagree with. If I had a reason why I eat meat it's mostly cause of its convenience and then it's taste.I would find it a remarkable effort to exclude meat and dairy from everything. (I would have to learn what has meat or dairy for example also exclusion from community meals) but it's usually just some thing I do its not that I have some particular attachment with meat

[@someoddusername5677]

Hi. First of all I would like to say I love your Chanel, am a vegetarian myself and I am planing to go Vegan as soon as i turn 18. (My mom doesn't want me to.) I have a question. Would it be wrong to eat the eggs of chickens you raise yourself? That way you can be sure they are humanly treated.

[@QCKeith]

As an atheist thinker who maintains a strict vegan diet, I have personally struggled with the concept of ‘sentience’. The Root-Brain theory is currently a field that I am fervently researching; there appears to be similarities between the functions of the animal brain to the Roots of Plants as far as the seeming cognitive functions of decision-making and even memory. It appears that the animal, insect and plant species complement each other; with the animal and insect species appearing to possess central nervous systems with nerve receptors which accentuate reaction through degrees of feeling (pain) while the plant-based systems react to a different [to be discovered] set of sensory receptors. Take a look at the posted video below for an interesting overview of the ‘intelligence’ of Plants: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJa7Z4aKbNeYrtU

[@Asalieri2]

Only sentient ones? GREAT! Chickens aren't sentient, so time to continue eating at KFC. It's not like i'm gonna eat an African gray parrot.

[@donutworry9605]

Although I am a meat-eater, I acknowledge that an ideal, utopian society would be livestock-free. Moral reasons aside, the care and maintenance of millions of animals is a far greater expense than the care and maintenance of plants. A utopian society would be self-sustainable, and that would mean centralized farming resources. In that case, the cost-benefit ratio of meat would fall on the wayside in comparison the the far greater amounts of plants which could be produced for the same input of energy. However, I also find the prospect of "farming" meat to be fascinating. How would vegans feel about meat which was grown in fields, and not as a part of a sentient animal? This may become a reality sooner than we think. Vegans, where would you stand on this kind of thing if it became a part of life tomorrow?

[@zerocalvin]

who go to a buffet and dont try each and every type of the food available?

[@crabe804]

***** Errr...Good point... ^^

[@gingerrify]

The only meat i'd eat is human meat

[@UltraJordanGaming]

Yum yum.

[@garfieldaofficial8752]

I am a vegan and a Christian. It takes more faith to believe we all evolved and crap than to believe that we were created. Isn't it amazing to know that we have a purpose and didn't just poof out of nowhere. And knowing that someone loves u more than anyone is capable of discribing💕💗 Yes the Bible is true :) There is so much proof. If u want proof just start by looking in the mirror. We are too complex to just have came out of nowhere. Have an awesome day! Thx for reading :D

[@sciddlyboogly192]

you see, there is proof we found fossils.

[@Yatukih_001]

Creation and evolution are one and the same because evolution is an act of creation. Its simply as simple as that.

[@DEATHofSEASONS789]

that is a nice thought, too bad it's not true

[@Yatukih_001]

I dont argue with uncreative people. I stay far away from them. As far away as I possibly can.

[@theone3772]

This comment needs to win the dumb ass award on stupid christian comments.

[@johnlukedriessnack6826]

I do enjoy your videos though. I'm not trying to be a troll. But I do want to see how you deal with some of these arguments.

[@HollyBlossom]

jesus didnt even want us to eat meat

[@letylek]

He didn't mind. He said if you think it is wrong don't eat it but if you want to eat it, you can.

[@letylek]

But there are some meat you cannot eat like pigeons and others

[@flogreen8818]

Yes he did

[@barbarablack5256]

You, good sir, have gained a new subscriber (i.e me)

[@WarriorJaaf]

I don't think this guy is capable of determining whether a comment is written by a troll or not

[@wrenchist]

if we are talking about a compassion standpoint, allowing people to hunt for their food allows for more respect for the animal's life in which you take. The animal is allowed the opportunity to live as they please, but to be hunted in the same way as natural predators. There has been a lot of evidence that "urbanized" areas have issues with herbivore populations, especially deer, when no natural predator exists.

[@elixthenecromancer]

I am so glad that other people share the same thoughts on religion and morality as I do... Religion tends to produce bad people and yes, morality is not morality if it is not extended to the maximum level we can, and that is where we could not survive and be healthy ourselves if we'd extend it more... But to kill for entertainment(and don't fool yourself, every time an animal dies or is suffering because you want to eat meat or animal products is exactly that, given the fact that eating animal products is not needed for you to be healthy - you eat it just because you choose to)

[@gtur28]

What if one is a vegan and religious and are actually vegan becuase of those beliefs? I just want to hear your thoughts on it.

[@marcuswilliams2103]

A meat eater I am, but yes...you have made me think. Kudos

[@ebonie200]

I think I'm late to the game for voting, but my vote for best reading goes to #2 ready by Ghost of Day. Please more from her. And #2's comment: "Fact Science says that if you don't eat meat your Brian gets smaller proof," followed later with: "Science is a LIE! Fact" wins the on stupidity. But what stands out the most to me is the reply #4. Nicely said, compassionately said.

[@OLBICHL]

I'm no Vegan, but since 2015 I decided to live a healthier life. I noticed that meat isn't required for that purpose, since I've stopped buying meat and stuffing my fridge with vegetables and fruits (my change in diet also provides the energy I need for my workout, and even more- Müsli in the morning gives me the feeling of satisfaction trough the whole day)... honestly, I'm glad that I decided to make this huge change in my life, I've never felt better! (I may have just triggered a new group... I call it... the healthiests?!?! ;-) ) I urge people who disagree with vegans to still try and change their eating habits, for the sake of their health! Become an Healthiest today and benefit on it your whole life (the difference from us to Vegans is that we do sports... and are way cooler)! XD No, seriously- life is an opportunity, let us make the best of it and become an inspiring example for people after ourselves! ps VeganAtheist: pls don't add me to the next stupid comments video! :D

[@julienb4036]

Dear Vegan Atheist, Thank you for posting all the amazing video debates, I found them very stimulating. I do not normally watch video bashing (such as this video) but I found the title amusing and I thought (as a meat eater who holds no strong views on the matter) that I would enjoy discovering how people could come up with stupid comments about eating meat. However the very first comment you classify as selfish and then go on to show how personal happiness is not always right. I must say as a Catholic I agree with you 100%,but I am curious as to why you find morality so important as an atheist? Why develop and hold values that, if an atheist, I would argue mean nothing, and only constrain me and my happiness (such as, but not exclusively, not eating meat), in the chaos that is life, the universe etc. ? One argument that many of my atheists friends argue is about morality ensuring the stability of society, but I must say that argument does not convince me (for diverse reasons I shall not expand on, I hope you don't mind). If you could enlighten me with any other answers to my question I would be much obliged. Kind regards, Julien

[@simplenerf6834]

That 2nd comment... I'm a open-minded Christian and that comment made me cringe terribly.

[@daquickscopa39]

hey TheVeganAtheist you support vaccination right? i did until about two hours ago when i realized they used animal products. can you tell me how a vegan would justify that? did you know that and if you did is it moral? Thanks

[@VeganTruth]

ayoutubechannel veganism isn't about being perfect. Most medications have been tested on animals. I would prefer that animals weren't used in vaccines or medications, but they are, and its important to be responsible to ones own health. Its impossible to be fully vegan in this world, unless you plan to live in the wilderness and grow your own crops, and not buy anything man made. Tires, roads, adhesives, and other things we all use all contain some level of animal ingredients. If I can find vegan alternatives, I take them. If I cant, and I need something, then I have to make due with the available options.

[@daquickscopa39]

TheVeganAtheist ok thanks for the insight. ive been told by many vegans saying i wasnt a real vegan since i used vaccines. i will try to explain this to them in the best way i can

[@thisnotthat6326]

TheVeganAtheist Very, very surprised that you are not against vaccinations. My family have studied the topic for 21 years and would NEVER support immunisation. Interested to hear your reasoning :)

[@VeganTruth]

Georgia Scott why would I be against vaccinations?

[@daquickscopa39]

TheVeganAtheist i think because it uses animal embryos and such

[@valhallaviking7054]

I don't think vegan ism is the way to go but we definitely should cut down on eating so much meat.

[@ianstirewalt2772]

Dope video dude. Keep up the good work.

[@Boepyne]

The second offering was a hoot in a perverse kind of way. Excellent delivery from Ghost of Day as well. This one has to be the winner FACT.

[@dr.ashkad4964]

Jesus the shepherd holding a cute sheep , that's my image of Jesus. CHOPPED ITS HEAD OFF AND ATE IT??

[@perricasa6478]

Thank goodness then, that I'm just some lazy bum who eats his Ramen Noodles and spicy tortillas with pride.

[@HowNowBrownCow69]

It's worth noting that blood cholesterol is not an indicator of dietary cholesterol intake.

[@jaypt2340]

Be Vegan is about Respecting Animals and other Living Beings.Keep it TVA

[@Nahli2001]

Sentience: 1: A sentient quality or state 2: Feeling or sensation as distinguished from perception and thought 3: Responsive to or conscious of sense impressions Do you kill bacteria?

[@lovingboarding]

Sometimes it is necessary to kill a human. In some circumstances of self defense for example. But that doesn't make it okay all the time.

[@Markus9705]

Wolf Nahli You seriously compare the ability to qualia of a bacteria with the ability to qualia of an animal?!

[@Nahli2001]

TheLeftLibertarianAtheist I do not need to make such a comparison. The fact that the definition of Sentience fits both forms of life stands as comparison. Just to advance the position though lets look at the senses of the two life forms. Sight: Animals have eyes which can perceive shapes and colors via interpretations of light to survive. Bacteria who first evolved photo sensitive receptors which led to increased survivability among the photo receptor bearing types. The increase was due to being able to detect and avoid harmful light in harmful wavelengths. Sound: Most animals posses a structure that permits the interpretation of vibrations through a medium. Bacteria can do the same via their surface structure. Touch: Skin, scales, hair, feelers, and feathers interpret tactile sensation. Cilia and similar structures do the same. Scent/Taste: These two boil down to a chemical detection system. Both animals and bacteria have means to preform this function. Now when you speak of qualia you are speaking of the internal and subjective component of sense perceptions, arising from stimulation of the senses by phenomena. The problem you have run into is in the words "subjective component" which identifies qualia as relating to philosophy. I am not speaking of philosophy, but science and facts. The fact is that as by definition a life form need only be, responsive to sense impressions. That sensation is further defined as distinguished from perception and thought. There by we can see that sentience is defined by being able to, as a form of life be responsive to sense impressions as distinguished from perception and thought.

[@Markus9705]

Wolf Nahli The fact is, even if bacterias do experience qualia and really _is_ consciousness, you can't compare it to the ability to think or having qualias with an animal. That leap is so freaking huge. If you could measure how consciousness something was, the animal would win by million upon millions of times. There's *no way* you even can think of making a fair comparison there.

[@Nahli2001]

TheLeftLibertarianAtheist Your comment was self defeating in reference to the rest of the conversation. I denoted that the word qualia was inapplicable to bacteria by the philosophical nature of the word in a conversation that is scientific. (Philosophy and science really do not play well together.) Previously I had denoted such by not only my saying that I was conversing in scientific terms but also by using such terms. By scientific terms bacteria are sentient as is all life at one stage or another. Life is however not always cognizant at any stage. In fact all life is non-cognizant at some stage while alive.

[@Yatukih_001]

I am fine being a meat eater, in a post atheistic world where being one is no longer considered to be stupid.

[@Javetts]

i'm eating 6 pounds of chicken while watching this.

[@jinolim64]

I really love eating meat but I also feel bad whenever i eat them. So please! Scientists!! please find a way to make meat trees!!! xD

[@atlasmassamuel1016]

Ok we can grow meat with stem cells... but it requires dead aborted babies. So shall we start farming fetuses?