Hank Hanegraaff Addresses John MacArthur's Comments about the Eastern Orthodox Church

Hank Hanegraaff, the host of the Bible Answer Man broadcast, addresses John MacArthur's comments about the Eastern Orthodox Church.
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[@fernandoalarcon8534]

Hank, as someone that has been searching for God. I thank you. I m a confirmed Lutheran but attend a nondenominational church. I have felt lost and have wondered into agnosticism. I cannot become atheist, I feel God is still there. I feel compelled to join the Orthodox Church. God is pulling me in that direction. I ask for prayer. Thank you. God bless.

[@evans3922]

you are on the right path...God bless you

[@jb021006]

Galatians 1:6-11 KJV I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: [7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. [8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. [9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. [10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. [11] But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

[@tomdoan9644]

Hey Fernando..I felt the same way..I tried Orthodox around 30 years ago and I'm still going Welcome!

[@deebater5711]

Hi Fernando - so wonderful to hear your honest testimony. I too have wandered - I have even been a pastor but have had in the last number of years that same 'pulling' toward Orthodoxy. I find the teachings deeply spiritual - something I dont think I can say I have experienced before. May God bless you richly!

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

Show by your only mission you don’t know Jesus on a personal level why don’t you talk to Jesus about that forget about Hank Hannah graph who cares what he does.

[@lukasmiller486]

What I would like to ask John MacArthur is "What about all the Catholic and Orthodox people who lived hundreds of years ago and never heard of the TULIP? Where did they go when they died?

[@evans3922]

Eastern Orthodox Church is the ancient Church that Our Lord Jesus Christ founded with Apostolic Succession till nowadays,keeping intact the doctrines without inventing new ones and thousands of martyrs and saints...there is no gap till the Reformation(!) as the protestants wrongly believe. Bravo Hank,you were brave and humble enough to accept the enlightment of the Holy Spirit that guided you to Lord's true and Only Church...Thousands of protestant and Roman Catholics convert to Orthodoxy,even whole cogregations with their pastors...Re-Evangelism of America ...Glory toGod...Δόξα τω Θεώ

[@Tytheband]

Thanks for your response Hank. My wife and I were Chrismated and brought into the Orthodox Christian Church one year ago and all 7 of our children were baptized the same day. It’s the greatest decision I’ve ever made.

[@prestonbrigham]

My younger brother, his wife and 7 children were also recently Chrismated into the Orthodox Christian Church. The similarities of your comment caught my attention.

[@salvation4all313]

Apostle Paul writing on salvation: 'If by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.' (Romans 11:6) 'For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.' (Ephesians 2:8-10) You *cannot* be saved by BOTH grace and works since they are contrary to each other. The Eastern Orthodox Church’s doctrine is therefore incorrect.

[@Tytheband]

​@@salvation4all313 This is my take as a forever-student of the Faith. This is simply my perspective and is more just me relaying what I'm learning. Don't take it as authoritative. Eastern Orthodox do not have that much "dogma" or systematic theology on salvation in the way the west does. Orthodox simply say to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" - as the letter of Philippians says. Point me to the Eastern Orthodox doctrine you are talking about denouncing, because the majority of tightly-held dogma that we have are contained in the Nicene Creed (written by the Orthodox), that 95% of all Christians in the world follow. Everything else is held pretty loosely and not elevated to dogmatic status as you are holding your Romans & Ephesians verses to. Even with our two thousand years of stacks and stacks of canons, Orthodox still have infinitely less actual *dogma* than Catholics and Protestants. Eastern Orthodox simply don't find the need to pit Faith and Works against each other. It's a moot point that is unnecessary and a product of the western need to hyper-analyze and dissect everything. The verse by verse thing that you are doing in the last comment gets complicated, as many Christians understand. The book of James 2nd chapter makes it clear as day for everyone when he says: "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.."" In short, according to scripture, "faith without works is dead", "works perfect our faith", a man can be "justified by works", and James says point blank "by works a man is justified, and NOT by faith alone" - sola fide doctrine that many American Christians including myself for most of my life is directly renounced here. This seems crystal clear clear to me and most people who read it. But it does not negate the scripture you posted, it just complements it perfectly. But from a western point of view it is definitely seen as contrary which is why Martin Luther petitioned to have the entire book of James removed from the canon entirely, 1500 years into the history of the Church. Orthodox don't see Faith and Works as being at odds. Why would they need to be? They are holistically one in the same from the Eastern point of view. There is no need to surgically dissect the two and put them against each other. The east never saw the need to have the Faith vs Works debates and simply just weren't part of those debates in history for geographic reasons mostly haha. I see putting 100% weight on belief or 100% weight on works as extremes and the Orthodox Church holds the paradox in balance as they try to do with all of the tricky extremes and heresies the Church has fought for 2000 years. This is also why the Orthodox who canonized the bible believe that Holy Scripture IS a work founded by the Church and not the other way around - the Church is not something founded by Scripture alone. "Sola scriptura" was an impossibility for the church because the Church existed for 300-400 years or so without a "new testament". The new testament and canonized Holy Bible was one of several of the Orthodox capital T Traditions including the Mysteries of Holy Communion, Holy Confession, Holy Marriage, Holy Ordination, Holy Unction - all founded by Christ Himself and passed to the disciples in one "Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church" as we say in the creed. Sorry for the novel. And no need to take anything I say as authoritative. This is just my perspective as just a simple dude who was protestant for 20 years and has only been Orthodox for 2 years (not long at all). Forgive me if I was unclear or heavy handed in any of the above. And please take anything I said with a huge grain of salt.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

​​@@salvation4all313You are taking something that Paul said to refute what James said. They didn't contradict one another. You act like we must accept what Paul said, but totally reject what James said. That's not how it works.

[@salvation4all313]

@@bobbyadkins6983 Jesus Christ said, *"I am telling you the TRUTH, whoever believes in me HAS eternal life."* (John 6:47) Furthermore, *'For the wages of sin is death; but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.'* (Romans 6:23) Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is a gift ever worked for/earned. Both the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church are DISOBEDIENT Churches and should be avoided at all costs.

[@henrystanley1516]

I'm a Pentecostal and thinking about becoming a Greek orthodox please pray God will lead me in his perfect will for me

[@Jesuswithlydia]

It’s not about becoming what denomination. You must be born again to be able to enter into the kingdom of God.

[@cata2215]

You can be born again and Orthodox. Orthodoxy is the fullness of the faith.

[@henrystanley1516]

@@Ninos-j2c thank you for your reply my only question about orthodoxy is praying before images of Mary and the saints aren't we forbidden to do this maybe you could help me

[@henrystanley1516]

@@Ninos-j2c thank you for your reply it gives me something to think about

[@MJS2376]

@@henrystanley1516 the scripture says we are "surrounded by a cloud of witnesses"....the saints are still alive, they are like friends we ask to pray with us and for us...we do not worship them. We give them honor (venerate them). Look for Fr Stephen Freemans blog Glory to God for All Things....he writes about all of these topics (and is a convert himself).

[@grahck4391]

When I was in college where I got my BA in Biblical Languages, John MacArthur was highly revered by nearly everyone. Some to the point that if he didn't teach it, they didn't believe it. I didn't make many friends when I handed them my bible one day and told them to turn to The Gospel According to John MacArthur.

[@HickoryDickory86]

They quote John MacArthur as an authority, and we're all supposed to happily and gladly accept it. It's John MacArthur, after all! He's a preacher of the Word! But the moment you quote John Chrysostom as an authority, they gasp, clutch their pearls, and forever regard you with suspicion. That's man-made tradition, you see! That's not _Sola Scriptura!_ 🤦‍♂️ Hypocrisy and irony are strong within Protestantism. Even as an evangelical Protestant (for now), I readily see it for what it is and no longer hold back from calling it out for what it is.

[@timothy9434]

I've always found him to be a bit pompous. As if he's a calvinist Pius XII.

[@williamgullett5911]

@@HickoryDickory86 you arent debating McArthur, you are debating GODs word. Don't get confused about who McArthur is quoting. He isnt quoting himself. He is just tge messenger

[@williamgullett5911]

McArthur is quoting GODs word. I would be careful of mocking someone quoting GOD.

[@grahck4391]

@@williamgullett5911 It's one thing to quote God's word. Teaching from God's word is something else entirely.

[@tonyjames9016]

Another convert to Orthodoxy here. Thank you Hank for representing what Orthodoxy is as loving and living. You are an example of your faith, through your acts. Humble righteousness. Again, thank you 🙏🏻

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

I’ve met eastern orthodox people they seem nice to me that’s not the question but what they teach is under biblical and it goes against the whole point of the word God wishes the salvation of mankind is not defending our actions or our works you cannot lose your salvation because it’s given us a free gift Ephesians 289 you need to look at the water God and quit worrying about with the patriarch or Hank and a graph says what you asked Jesus what he has to say about it.

[@salvation4all313]

​@@Americanpatriot-zo2tkYes you are correct!

[@vashonmonks]

How truly grace filled are your words, Hank. A beautiful, gentle answer that comes from a life long walk with the Lord Himself.

[@zinnia3684]

Your walk shows works and is the shining light of your faith. You walk in a life of works which is what makes you separated from the rest. Your not chastised into certain behaviours called works. True works are not a to do list of behaviours that prove your faith they come with focused faith as a natural part of your walk. I also believe unlike Calvin that we have free will to choose our path. Focusing on Calvinism detracts from a focus on our saviour and a deviation of biblical text. Bless you for your carefully measured words. I also love John McArthur. Being wrong is a human frailty and so is passion. We have not been made perfect yet but should be increasing in knowledge from biblical text 2Timothy 3:16-17. Bless you

[@dansysoman3391]

Bless! It is a delight to see your comment here, Father. I was discouraged by MacArthur's words because of how many people I know he will lead astray. I pray more people come to the faith of the Apostles and see the humility and love in Hank's words. Pray for me and my family.

[@martykroenecke4273]

Pretty easy to see he is reading from a well prepared script! I us3d to love listening to Hank in the 80's. But he lost me when he says there was no immaculate conception. The Bible clearly states in many places we are saved by grace through faith. And this brings about good works which is wonderful. But to deny Christ was born of a virgin and to deny the written word of the bible is heresy and God will judge Hank and his like minded fellows. I pray Hank sees the error of his new beliefs and comes back to Jesus Christs teachings.​@dansysoman3391

[@martykroenecke4273]

I'm so sad to see that Hank has lost his way. I pray God will help him find his way back.

[@G.TheGreek79]

The fact that Mr. Mcarthur stated that Eastern Orthodoxy is the same as catholicism shows exactly how uninformed he truly is! The only thing that should be cursed is his false understanding of the true faith! I am beyond tired of these western pastors spreading heresy to their congregation. They continue to breed more and more people who are confused and misinfomed! May the Lord have mercy on us all! Thank you for replying to Mcarthurs' false teachings with a loving, calmn, and peaceful demenor. You are a wonderful representstive of our Orthodox faith!

[@gunnerbakke5020]

Pastor McArthur has been important in my character conforming to Christ. He appears to be wrong here. Thank you, for being respectful in your response.

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

No hand cannon graph is going against what the Bible teaches and you know it the Greek orthodox even reject eternal security. Another words salvation is dependent upon your own actions. Instead of the sacrifice of Jesus at Calvary.

[@j.athanasius9832]

@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk The Apocalypse of John makes very clear that one’s name can be struck from the Lamb’s Book of Life. Consider how Esau chose to sell his birthright; can we not do the same with our Baptism?

[@danielletracyann]

@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk of course you can fall away. He can cut away the dead vines that produce no fruit. We can lose salvation. Hence the “saints need to persevere”People can abuse God’s grace period.

[@danielletracyann]

@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk do you think you can call yourself a Christian and still live like the world with its filth?

[@salvation4all313]

No. MacArthur is quite correct. It is Hanegraaff who is wrong here. Apostle Paul writing on salvation: 'If by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.' (Romans 11:6) 'For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.' (Ephesians 2:8-10) You *cannot* be saved by BOTH grace and works since they are contrary to each other. The Eastern Orthodox Church’s doctrine is therefore incorrect.

[@danielgaley9676]

Please pray that my wife will be open to Orthodoxy. Thanks to all. Dan G.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

🙏

[@vaekkriinhart4347]

why? maybe she isn't gullible enough to believe Mary never slept with her own husband and is a "perpetual virgin." If this is so, then Jesus must've magically escaped her womb and appeared in the crib somehow. These absurd, non- Scriptural beliefs are reprehensible and demand a type of reverential worship of Mary. What else could it possibly be? As if laying with her husband somehow stains her and her reputation. Mary CLEARLY had other children. This one thing is enough to make me run for the hills. To believe all that is absurdity.

[@TheChiesa]

Martin Luther went so far that he wanted to remove St. James's letter from the New Testament since it embarrassed Luther's conception of 'faith alone'.

[@Mark-yb1sp]

TheChiesa Wow. I didn’t know this.

[@HerveyShmervy]

Thats a myth

[@randomperson-gp8ph]

@@HerveyShmervy not a myth at all its well documented and lutherans admit it.

[@ericjustice8303]

Links and proof?

[@randomperson-gp8ph]

@@ericjustice8303 *note i said luther wanted to remove apocrypha i am not sure that is accurate my understanding now is that he didnt find them equal to holy scripture but still profitable to read. lutheran called epistles of james "epistle of straws" because james said faith without works is dead. Look it up even lutherans admit this. Early church did not teach once saved always saved doctrine. Luther wanted to open the canon of the new testament and remove books. He was not successful with altering New Testament canon it scandalized his followers. Protestants follow tradition of luther. Originally apocryha was included in kjv(again not new testament apocryha) Eventually the apocryha was removed from kjv bible. What adds to confusion is protestants dont distinguish between new testament apocrypya and other writings that catholics call apocrypha and orthodox call deuterocanon, again the church universally rejected new testament apocryha when the books of the bible were canonized and no eastern orthodox and no catholic and dont think any protestant believe in new testament apocrypha. In Eastern orthodox we call certain books deuterocanonical second canon not given as much emphasis as other books, catholics and protestants call these book apocrypha.The deuterocanonical books were rejected by Jews after the time of apostles because it made them look bad. Dont understand the reasoning to look to unbelieving Jews to set the canon 1600 years later, but thats protestant tradition.

[@michaelofstjoseph]

Hank, thank you dearly for this video. This was my first introduction to Orthodox Christianity. Next month will mark 4 years since I was received into the Orthodox Church.

[@GJKRodgers]

Well done, Hank. John, I imagine, was not trying to sound like a Pharisee, but he did. This is the godly, Christ-like way to respond the comments that were as vitriolic as John's. Thanks for this powerful example!

[@salvation4all313]

Apostle Paul writing on salvation: 'If by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.' (Romans 11:6) 'For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.' (Ephesians 2:8-10) You *cannot* be saved by BOTH grace and works since they are contrary to each other. Therefore Hanegraaff is wrong and so is the Eastern Orthodox Church.

[@doggonenuts2189]

@@salvation4all313 if one is truly saved by grace, there WILL be works to show it. Getting tied down to the language and dogma will cause one to ignore the voice of Christ in our own hearts.

[@salvation4all313]

@@doggonenuts2189 Wrong. Human works are NOT required to attain eternal life! Under NO circumstances is a gift ever earned/worked for!

[@salvation4all313]

@@doggonenuts2189 God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and NOT by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ.

[@doggonenuts2189]

@@salvation4all313I did not say required. Christ changed us, and our actions change as a result.

[@paulgundrum9059]

In my journey with Christ, I kept searching for the truth (raised Catholic, and spent 25 years in Protestantism, mostly Calvary Chapel) but kept running into roadblocks of men claiming authority but disagreeing with one another. Finally I decided I would conform to Christ, rather than have Him conform to me. Searching back to the beginning I was profoundly moved by the early Church Fathers, and Orthodoxy was the end of the search for me. Hank is so blessed by God in knowledge and decades of study that it seems to me he could end up no where else. God Bless You Hank! Been listening to You for 20+ years, and now I can continue with You as a great teacher of Orthodoxy.

[@timothyjohnson8247]

This is such a wonderful response. Was not quick to anger. Did not directly rebuke John. Instead he tactfully, lovingly, in kindness speak truth by quoting scripture. Thank you for this response and posting it!

[@Tytheband]

John MacArthur is the guy who published the age-old heresy of Adoptionism in his own official commentary Bible. This heresy was addressed in the 2nd, 3rd, 8th and 12th centuries but I’m guessing he doesn’t know much about that. When I became Orthodox, that heretical “Bible” was one of the first things I purged from my library.

[@SavedSealedByGrace]

Justification comes by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, and that saving, justifying faith wrought by God in the heart will always be evidenced by genuine good works done from a completely transformed heart (2 Corinthians 5:17). As a believer, I do good works not to BE forgiven, but because I AM forgiven - praise God for the finished work of Jesus and the free gift of salvation.

[@John5TwentyFour]

“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." John 5:24 NASB

[@dansysoman3391]

Faith alone is unbiblical and a shameful doctrine of man. What we do have in Scripture is the exact opposite being taught: James 2:24 "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." But why is that Protestants (mainly Reformed) simply ignore this? This is not simply my own interpretation. This is the interpretation which "has been believed everywhere, always, and by all (Christians)". Salvation is not a one time thing. Orthodox speak of salvation as life, it continues, it must be "worked out". We don't simply apprehend a factual event and think that will transform us. We are athletes...training, racing, fighting the good fight. This is in keeping with the words of Apostle James in his epistle (quoted above) and of the Apostle Paul in Galatians 5 among dozens of other places in the NT. It is abundantly evident that works are required for salvation (because salvation is more than a one time event). We are saved (Eph. 2:8). We "are being saved" (1 Cor. 1:18, 15:2, Acts 2:47). We “will be saved” (Matt 24:13). We continue not in works of the OT law, but in faith which itself is "working through love" (Gal. 5:6). I pray for your eyes are opened to the truth that has been clearly taught in the Scriptures and held by the fathers of the Church.

[@johnpeavey1196]

The answer is in Ephesians 2:8,9,an 10

[@jaytkadv2429]

Amen my brother !

[@bobhackendorf5560]

A gracious, careful and thoughtful answer to a hasty accusation. Well done!

[@jack1969monrovia]

I am an ex Jehovah’s Witness and I bless you brother Hank. I am so loving your expositions as I am looking into orthodoxy. Takes a bit of wrapping your head around.

[@majafleur9646]

Me, too!

[@graceoverall]

It's not that our works play any part in our salvation, indeed we are saved *by grace* _through_ faith, (Ephesians 2:8) but that our works are evidence of a living and saving faith. This is exactly why Paul asks the question in that way, "can 'that' faith save him?" (James 2:14). He further implores us to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling." (Philippians 2:12). Let's also not forget how oft Jesus responded to faith (not works) saying that a person's faith (in Christ) has saved / healed them: Luke 7:50, Mark 5:34, Matthew 15:28, Luke 23:43, etc. So what's faith? "'Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1 NASB (see also Romans 8:24). "Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed." John 20:29 NASB.

[@CJohn33]

Perfectly said in the first few lines.

[@CJohn33]

@@dimitrispeiraias Thankyou, but there is no need to convert me. I am already orthodox and always have been.

[@CJohn33]

@@dimitrispeiraias You Too!

[@Tommy-wq4ow]

No. God says only those who obey Gods will go to heaven.

[@graceoverall]

Wow!! One of the "Report" options on KZbin should be for heresy, lol. Rotten carnal platform.

[@omnius28]

That is why I left Protestantism. I'm with my Orthodox Brothers and Sisters on this.

[@kinglear5952]

If this trash is representative then I don't blame you.

[@SamanthaBosack]

I agree . I love my Orthodox brothers and sisters ! Recent convert and I absolutely love it

[@Joshula337]

Me, my wife, and daughter were baptized and Chrismated this past Holy Saturday. Thank you for the part you played Hank!

[@Agge58]

Welcome home brother.

[@Agge58]

Welcome home brother

[@NadaVerse]

@Willis Talks 337 ...Amen My Brother!

[@MrMfloor]

Αγγελική Κοσκινά this is not a good thing. I urge you to read the Bible and understand that we are saved by Grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone! Traditions of men do not do anything for you but damn you to hell! Let me ask you - what is your faith in? What are you trusting in for salvation?

[@marysunshine2027]

@@icxcnika2037 they aren't worshipping them. They were literal writings on the wall a memory of the past. There are no statues like in rc church

[@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295]

All people following the false doctrine of reformed protestant theology need to read: Hebrews 5:8-9 James 2:24-26 And then humbly come to Christ the way HE says to come to Him.

[@justchilling704]

It’s not false doctrine.

[@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295]

@@justchilling704 Yes friend it is. Read the verses I provided and seek the Lord in Truth

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

I’m sorry Hank, I don’t have as much patience with the Macarthurites as you do. Please pray for me. Many blessings.

[@garymills8417]

We are saved through faith by the grace of God. We are not saved by works but we are saved too work !

[@wishyouthebest9222]

I will always be grateful for the many martyrs orthodoxy has produced even if I'm neither orthodox nor catholic. Who of us has such faith nowadays? Deep respect for such a conviction.

[@pamwashington4062]

Thank you for this clarification. As an orthodox Christian in a protestant family, I am sometimes at a loss for words to defend the faith. I pray for unity in the Christian faith with all fellow Christians.

[@MicahMicahel]

What do Orthodox Christians think of evolution? It seems that they accept mysteries and understand metaphor better than the other denominations. Evolution is a stumbling block for so many people. the idea seems to create atheists. I think Genesis is written in the metaphorical way but still true in some real way. IF the orthodox church believes that... it should grow. I think right now more than ever, we could use a revival.

[@mauricewilsondaddybob1307]

It's all realize whom their Apostle is the Apostle Paul and followed his teachings say 2nd Timothy 2:15?

[@3wL7]

@@MicahMicahel Evolution is a satanic teaching, a delusion

[@katierucker2870]

We can be confident in knowing that God cannot contradict His holy Word the Bible. We are not saved by our works, but saved unto good works which Paul and James agreed on

[@kinglear5952]

@Josh I was about to say practical compassion is of no consequence to these Evangelical loud-mouths whose expurgated Bibles have deleted the Sermon on the Mount.

[@jck936]

Katie, you're absolutely right.

[@jb021006]

Only by the works of CHRIST on the CROSS of Calvary

[@theunknownone2189]

@@jb021006 so you believe that we don't have to do anything once we are saved?

[@blade7506]

@@theunknownone2189 no, protestants (mostly) and orthodox have almost the same theology with a few differences and we both believe that salvation came from Jesus’s crucifixion and that belief in it brings salvation (John 3:16, faith- belief) and that as Hank says in this video that the book of James affirms that faith through works is needed to justify a believer

[@FaithfulComforter]

Pray for John MacArthur and his flock 🙏☦️

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@FaithfulComforter Wise request. 🙏

[@FaithfulComforter]

@@BibleAnswerMan Thank you sir

[@rsissel1]

MacArthur's caricature of Orthodoxy is not surprising. His Calvinism has blinded him so that he can't even correctly understand us. I would appreciate him if he avoided straw-men arguments, explained our doctrines accurately, and then simply disagreed with us. That I could respect.

[@lake3176]

I am from Orthodox Christian family now evangelical. I think Jhon McArthur is right as there is very little difference between Orthodox and Catholics. In contrary to Hanks comment, both share & practice the priesthood celebacy doctrine. Orthodox Pops do not get marry. Both Orthodox & Catholics believe in immaculate conception of Jesus i.e. Marry is sinless as a result of her virgin birth of Jesus. Both also believe salvation as a result of deed & faith. On the surface it looks correct. However, according to Ethiopian Orthodox Church, one of the esstern Orthodox which I am familiar with deed is not merly defined in James 2 or good deed as Hank tried to explain. It rather include water baptism, holly communion, special intercessory prayer for the dead, generosity to the poor... and faith. The list of their similarity goes on and on..... Hank need to do his home work.

[@sydneyskinner627]

I agree. Just the tone of "a RAG" was placed on his head, was enough for me to see that his comments were way off base. That was uncalled for and I love John MacArthur. HIs commentaries on the Bible I love. I have the full set and many other of his books. And I am Orthodox.

[@Bakarost]

@@sydneyskinner627 I find protestants do that alot, pronunciation and with their tone of a word like he did with 'rag' to imply that it is dumb or stupid.

[@juancotton2]

Calvinism has nothing to do with it

[@Howhardisittofindausernamebruh]

​​@@lake3176as a recent convert to Orthodoxy, there are several inaccuracies in your comment. Responding 4 years late just in case someone sees this and assumes it is fact. Orthodox priests are not celibate, only the Bishops and monks. In fact, marriage is a requirement for both practical purposes (ministering to married couples) and because a life of celibacy is a heavy burden. Orthodox do not believe in the immaculate conception of Mary. They do not believe she was born without sin. Orthodox believe that the sacraments are required for salvation, each of which are performed with a foundation of faith and obedience to Christ. Baptism and crismation, confession of sins, and holy communion. Intercessory prayers are NOT a requirement for salvation, nor is there an endless criteria of good works that must be performed. Rather, a Christian who professes faith in Christ must seek to live a life in which they keep His commandments daily to love the Lord and love their neighbour. The Orthodox view of salvation via faith and works can is best illistrated by Ephesians 2:8-10 It's worth noting too that these beliefs are shared among the oldest (apostolic) branches of the Christian, many of whom have not been in communion with one another for 10-15 centuries

[@sandina2cents779]

When talking about faith and works why do all Catholics, and apparently orthodox also, ignore Ephesians 2:8-9 where it says you’re not saved by works but saved by grace through faith? John MacArthur is absolutely correct about the Catholic and Orthodox Church and you should take it as a warning, for it is out of love that he is warning you. Wow!!! To my surprise at 15:01 he quotes eph 2:8-9. For 15 minutes he goes on about how you’re saved by works also and then he quotes eph 2:8-9 where it says that you are not saved by works and he doesn’t even comprehend the scripture that he just quoted. That’s very strange. There may be something wrong with him. He defends his stance over and over and then contradicts himself in the last two minutes with scripture.

[@henriquelucastristan]

"Faith" is a complicated new testament word. Western theology probably overemphasized its "belief" aspect, mainly because of gnosticism influence. Sadly, of all the NT books, none of them is a dictionary. But if you read the writings of those closer to the NT writers, you'll probably recognize that "faith" is better understood in terms of "loyalty" and "confidence" to the Lord. That's not just a mere intellectual agreement to His gospel, but a whole life of commitment to Him, which is possible only if you truly love Him. That's Ephesians 2. That's what grants our justification now and forever.

[@sandina2cents779]

@@henriquelucastristan OK no matter what your interpretation of faith is, we are still not saved by Works.

[@henriquelucastristan]

Sister, we are not rescued by good works or by faith alone. We are rescued by the grace of God, given to those who have faith in Jesus Christ. It seems that you are treating "salvation" and "justification" as synonymous. And almost always "salvation" here is often understood as "going to heaven after death, having my sins forgiven." Sister, salvation here does not mean that. It means "being rescued from total paganism, from death, from evil, from Satan". And THAT is by faith alone. Read the whole letter. However, the salvation which will lead us to eternal life is a lifelong hard journey, not a one-time easy declaration of forgiveness. It requires a lifetime of faithfulness and obedience to Christ. You have been saved by faith alone (belief) so that you might be saved by faith which WORKS by love (if you continue in Christ's words). That's why we "work out our salvation with great fear and trembling".

[@jonsykaluk915]

How can one Christian curse another? Is that what Jesus taught? Thank you Hank for responding in a way that shows the true nature of Orthodoxy.

[@davidbermudez7704]

He’s NOT a Biblical born again Christian

[@jewess8755]

Galatians 1:8-9 (NKJV) But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

[@philagon]

He cursed the doctrine not the person. Secondly, the matter of whether EO is Christianity is the issue in question. So in Mcarthur’s view he is not talking about another Christian but a heresy adding works to salvation.

[@jewess8755]

This verse clearly says "let him be accursed" in fact it says HIM twice any the word anyone added which means don't give respect to a person. How you can twist it to just the doctrine is beyond me, but it is the false doctrine that curses the person. Paul even includes himself and to drive the point he adds an angel.

[@philagon]

Richard Byrnes Although true, we are not talking about the verse, we are talking about what M. said. At 2:38 you can clearly see that he says the belief is to be cursed.

[@rodpruitt8926]

Wow! My heart is wormed by the grace and peace and love that was so evident throughout this video. God be praised for his gift of humility given to this brother. Many guys would have been defensive and angry and insulted and vindictive. Thank God for his help manifested in the words I just heard. THIS IS HOW WE TREAT EACH OTHER PEOPLE. I feel like reading my Bible now; so, have a great night.

[@samanthagirikhanov2796]

This reminds me of The Cost of Discipleship by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I really liked that book because it said you must practice obedience if you have faith and something in that concept felt right to me. Refreshing in a way.

[@NickVTA]

Obedience to scripture. Not necessarily tradition. Look at the Jews even in jesus's day, they had oral Torah, and even today Jews will say well the oral traditions were passed on a Moses just wasn't written down for like a thousand years or so and then they finally wrote it down. How can you trust that? Even Jesus reprimanded the Jews because of their obedience to man-made traditions but not the commandments of God

[@huntejt]

Oh the Irony of MacArthur rejecting this formulation of the "gospel". This is, from what I can tell, the exact formulation that MacArthur proposes against Free Grace proponents.

[@HickoryDickory86]

Reformed Theology is self-contradictory in numerous ways. This is one of them.

[@akbarshoed]

The lesson i take from this... never count on any one person to do your research for you.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@akbarshoed 🙏

[@salvation4all313]

Correct. In this case you need to reject Hanegraaff's message. THIS is what you must do to be saved: Repent and believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Jesus said, *"I am telling you the truth, whoever believes in me has eternal life."* (John 6:47) Jesus Christ did all the work for our salvation and eternal life! All our righteousness is like filthy rags! *'But to him that does NOT work, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.'* (Romans 4:5)

[@akbarshoed]

@salvation4all313 not correct at all.

[@salvation4all313]

@@akbarshoed Hanegraaff is not correct at all.

[@SaMaria1405]

Lots of young men coming to Orthodoxy these days

[@kennysouthwel4127]

Bro. Hank, thank you for that eloquent and loving rebuttal to John. I want to ask you to consider a new book where you make a list of the fathers who wrote commentaries, treaties, histories, and foundational truths of our faith. I love hearing you read or quote their works and I have found some of them to read.

[@el_denk]

St Vladimir’s Seminary Press have an excellent series of books called Popular Patristics where you will find many many Church Fathers teachings in fairly short books. I have read many. I would start with St Athanasius “On the Incarnation”. The series covers all the pertinent aspects of Orthodoxy. Enjoy the journey. As CS Lewis writes in the introduction to Athanasius writings, stop reading modern books and go back and read the original ancient Church Fathers. They’re much easier to read than you would think. Happy reading :)

[@anamariarodriguez5466]

I still love you Hank Hanegraaff because you opened my eyes about our brothers and sisters in Christ in the Orthodox church.

[@livehealthyfinishstrong]

I am growing so weary. I am 66 years old and have tried to stay faithful and avoid heresy since leaving the Seventh-day Adventist Church about 45 years ago. These divisions among people I’ve look up to for decades, is confusing and very difficult. Pray for me. In the meantime, I will be withdrawing from all this conflict. It challenges my faith in unhealthy ways. Depressing!

[@richardmohr9428]

Mr. Thompson: I am 75. I am an Orthodox convert. Most of the adults at my church are converts. We used to be something else. Find an Orthodox church (I'm Antiochian Orthodox), stay after the liturgy, meet the clergy and some enthusiastic lay people (such as myself!) and ask questions. Orthodoxy has been around for a long time and has dealt with many problems over almost 2,000 years. Join us now that Lent is coming. See what we do and hear what we believe. We aren't perfect but we don't change to accommodate whatever exciting thing people are enamored with at any particular time.

[@t3llur1de]

I think the division between Hank Hanegraaff and John MacArthur is one of opinion over personal animosity. Remembering Hank's counsel that "In the essentials, Unity. In secondary issues, Liberty. And in all things, Charity." They've surely discussed Hank's decision to join the Orthodox Church by now.

[@marybarrett9902]

As an Evangelical, Hank, you are such a gracious man of God. Blessings my brother, in all your travels. (John B)

[@georgeciarrocchi2833]

When i looked at what was supposedly a orthodoxy error, I immediately thought of James, even before Hank Hanegraff spoke. I see nothing wrong with works as a byproduct of faith. I do because I am; I am not because I do.

[@ovimm5724]

Brother, I live in a country where 90% of the people are Orthodox - I was one - and believe me when I say, for them works are not the byproduct of salvation. Is salvation by works. Plus countless other problems. It is an idolater man made religion.

[@Nobo35]

I’ll show you my faith by my works.

[@ovimm5724]

@@Nobo35 that is not what they teach. They believe you will be saved if your food works surpass your sins.

[@Nobo35]

Ce Spun Scripturile every group of Christians believe things others don’t. If you give the Bible to ten different people you’ll get ten different doctrines. Dispensationalism is a theology that is not very supported by scripture and is very new which tells us it’s probably not very accurate.

[@djnv4702]

George Ciarrocchi Orthodox teach what the Bible teaches, yes. A living faith leads to fulfilling our calling as image beaters of Christ-people created to do good works and to grow in holiness, to become more like Christ through obedience and all by His grace.

[@themartialartsmermaid]

I pray that the Lord Jesus works in me this level of humility to respond to criticism with kindness and gentleness of spirit.

[@jimedward8908]

Hank Hanegraaff you are a great ambassador for Jesus. Been tuning in since the mid 80's (off and on) and I still have confidence in CRI.

[@jojowallace5098]

Hi Hank. I am so thankful for your vlog. I am drawn to Eastern Orthodoxy and am going to the local Orthodox Church this week. I was brought up in a strict Southern Baptist home and became Catholic before my marriage. I have been disappointed in the Catholic Church with regard to the sex scandals and feel Eastern Orthodoxy offers us more of a mystical experience of Christ. Would you agree with this? Thanks!🧚‍♀️

[@BibleAnswerMan]

There are significant differences between Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy which Hank explains in the following article… www.equip.org/questions-answers-orthodoxy/ See also… www.spreaker.com/user/hank-hanegraaff/hank-s-testimony-a-personal-look-at-hank www.spreaker.com/user/hank-hanegraaff/hup-episode-001 www.equip.org/article/left-christian-faith/ Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestants can speak of mystical experiences, which are to be distinguished from pagan forms of mysticism. CRI has a research letter on Christian mysticism which can be requested by messaging the main office using this online form: www.equip.org/contact/ Warren Nozaki Research P.S. Hank normally has the CRI team tend to the messages on KZbin.

[@miketeixeira7853]

JoJo...........Jesus was prophesied to come and conquer Rome.......see Daniel 2: 34-45.......and He did.........via the Church/Gospels. Jesus came and died for sinners; never forget that. Blessings !!!

[@Ultradude604]

I listened to Hank on and off since I was a teen 30 years ago. My local station no longer broadcast his show. I would be very surprised if the Bible Answer Man became an apostate, for Hank is knowledgeable about cults and apostasy. I have no knowledge about eastern orthodoxy but I'm not worried about Hank

[@jesseh2974]

We are justified by faith alone, we have the righteousness of Christ as we have faith in Him. And this faith grows and is vibrant and perfected by works, as James shows.

[@MrJazzeman]

John MacArthur recently said “Christians can receive the mark of the beast and still receive salvation”. There is not one scripture to support his claim.

[@donchristianmusic9353]

I would love to know where I can find that statement. That would be very disturbing to say the least though I have been expecting many pastors to begin to say such things.

[@whatever9042]

Jazzyman where and when did he say that?

[@MrJazzeman]

whatever9042 I posted the link to it on this thread

[@BooleanBerean]

He has clarified this several times. Stop spreading silly rumors to dismiss a great man of God.

[@drexel937]

John is on Target: Paul is clear in Galatians, it is not John you have an issue with, it is Paul! James is speaking of "working faith" and dormant faith. This verse tosses a wrench in your theology. 2 Timothy 2:13 ► if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

[@MrMfloor]

Just Me thank you for your response! I left the Orthodox Church 8 years ago as God saved me out of that heretical church. You’re right- I never really read the Bible until I was saved and it is so clear now how we are saved by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone!

[@robertnewell4054]

“A RAG was placed on his head...” typical McArthur ad hominem

[@robertnewell4054]

@Robert Shipley .... my thoughts entirely

[@tyd3407]

Robert Shipley down to a tee.

[@michaelcobb7097]

Yeah, I was kind of annoyed by that too.

[@jamesb6818]

Ya for someone who is always saying grace and grace alone, he has a hard time showing grace to others.

[@kinglear5952]

The ugliness of these minds is beyond depressing.

[@Andrew-sj9tr]

I love how Evangelicals are so obsessed with "faith alone" when that doctrine was not ever taught for the first 1500 years of Christianity, until Luther came along.

[@sammalek4339]

Andrew D I think this is an extreme position due to the extreme focus of the Catholic Church on works and indulgences and so on. If you noticed every extreme view the Catholic Church took , was opposed by another extreme view but in the opposite direction by Protestants.

[@tammylazarovitch1794]

Sam Malek it’s the Eastern Orthodox not the Roman Catholic

[@sammalek4339]

Tammy Lazarovitch I know he converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. That’s not what I meant. I meant most current extreme position from our Protestant brethren is not against orthodoxy but mostly against the Catholic Church because of the latter’s extreme positions on many issues.

[@Dulcimertunes]

It WAS. In the Bible though

[@Andrew-sj9tr]

Maureen Barnes Martin Luther added the word “alone” into the German Bible. He also tried to remove multiple books, like James and Revelation.

[@olegsoltis3305]

It is not my intent to offend orthodox believers here. Yet, as an evangelical christian, who was raised in Western Ukraine, I can not even imagine myself to be a member of Orthodox church. From my personal observation and experience, while being generally decent people, vast majority of laymen orthodox believers in Eastern Europe and Russia are steeped in deep superstition, Biblical ignorance and militant antagonism against all non-Orthodox christians. Especially against Evangelical believers, who were ever persecuted in various forms, both by secular state and Orthodox church. Maybe North American version of this branch of Christianity is different than what I could witness while growing in Ukraine. Not that I deny that there are genuine, God loving christians in orthodoxy; Hank Hanegraaff would be one example in vast majority. Sadly, I have very mixed feelings about Hank Hanegraaf conversion.

[@jima5210]

Hank...Years ago I was a lukewarm believer caught up in the lies that my happiness was more important than holiness and that somehow God understood that I was a sinner and would look the other way as I embraced compromise. Your teachings focused on the true word of God on the radio shook the foundations of my hypocrisy and brought me to genuine repentance as I saw my wickedness through the light of God's word and the fear of the Lord drove me to the seriousness of it all, especially my sin. You taught me to love and surrender to God and obedience to His commandments and it has changed my life forever..(Literally), Thanks for your often harsh truth in love... you teach the whole word and it matters , in my case it was not pleasant for a season but produced the fruit of righteousness and a peace and joy I wouldn't trade for anything.

[@donross8535]

As I have always understood , is that works is the result of faith.

[@jima5210]

@@donross8535Yes.. James said "I will show you my faith by my works." Only the faith acceptance of the Lord's finished work of a perfect life given for us can save; born out by rejection of the things He had to die for. 1,2,and 3,John defines the fruit of repentance and rejection of sin as both love for God, "In this we know we have come to know Him when we keep His commandments." 1:3 To go on in a life of sinning willfully is to cast the blood under our feet.

[@johnrep9690]

I heard you for the first time maybe 20 years ago. I was impressed (and still am to say the least) of your strong devotion and understanding of the Bible. I am now even more impressed with the character of man that you are as shown in this clip (albeit a few years old). God keep you and Bless you Hank

[@MegaAce54]

be amazed by JESUS! not a man!

[@jamesb6818]

Amen....

[@Amick44]

​@@MegaAce54true. However, re check the comment. He mentions "the character of man that you are." I would say referring to Hank's character. Not idolizing him. That's what I gather from it. Blessings!

[@microcolonel]

The love you show our brother is an inspiration.

[@christianbluesman]

The works are a result of faith not justification it's an outflow of a faith in Jesus.

[@arthurifurung1027]

True bit not a requirement for salvation. It's because of faith that one works but one can not say faith by works. One can be saved even if one does not work. As an example a person who devotes majority of his time in prayer and in worship and does no other thing, would he be not be saved.

[@MrMarkovka11]

@@arthurifurung1027 well how would you define "works"? It seems you wouldn't include prayer and worship as part of a service to God. Correct me if I am wrong...

[@dman7668]

Your good works are a means of justification.

[@caedmonnoeske3931]

Protestant here who's a big fan of both these guys!

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

have you read Martin Luthers "Table talk" ? really worth it

[@caedmonnoeske3931]

@@travelsouthafrica5048 I haven't read it, but I've heard quite a bit about it. I'll have to add it to my list. God bless!

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

@@caedmonnoeske3931 I only recently discovered it and it was incredibly interesting , they make Luther out to be a dimwit in popular cultures today , but Dr Luther was a man far beyond his time and you can see it in the book where his friends wrote down his "table talk" and it is enlightening to say the least another book you should try and find if you haven't already is "Commonplaces: Loci Communes 1521" written by his friend Philip Melanchthon I think no protestant should go around walking in these dark forrests alone before reading those two books ;)

[@malcolmandrews4942]

I listened to the 5:52 mark, and I had to comment. I really don’t care about the agreements or disagreements between the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics. What I do know about the Orthodox is that they are very hostile towards Protestantism- I have read and listened enough to some of their spokesmen to know that they are hostile to what I as a Protestant believe. The Orthodox are definitely one with Roman Catholicism in their hostility to Protestant believers! And what do we Protestants believe? We believe that Jesus’s life, works, blood, death, resurrection, and intercession is what saves us. The Orthodox believe that our ETERNAL salvation is accomplished by Christ PLUS our works. Paul the apostle- whose writings hold a legitimate position of authority in the churches- wrote the epistles of Romans and Galatians before there were any popes or patriarchs making pronouncements against justification by faith alone. At the time of the writing of Galatians, Paul only had to deal with schismatics and judaizers who were intent on adding requirements that undermined the gospel. Now Paul’s writings have to be wielded against massive institutions like Roman Catholicism and the Orthodox Church. I think I will stay with the apostle and the simplicity of Christ as opposed to popes (who have often disagreed) and patriarchs and the complexity of their institutions. Hank, we would love for you to repent and come out of that massively complex, ritualistic, and externally ornate system and return to the simplicity that is in Christ.

[@yeehaw6267]

We Orthodox believe that our salvation is only obtained through God, but that God works through His Church. For example, Baptism is essential not because it is a work of man, but because God’s Grace works through Baptism to join us with Christ. The Eucharist is essential not because you need a man to give you bread and wine, but because Christ is both truly present in the Eucharist and the Perfect Passover Lamb of God, and the Passover sacrifice was not complete until the people of God ate the Lamb which was slain. If you look closely, you’ll notice Orthodox “ritualism” as you call it is really a fulfillment of the way God commanded His people to worship Him (see Exodus and how God commanded Priests to dress, the Passover to be observed, and worship to be conducted). The Church is the New Israel (as Paul himself says Christians are the “Israel of God”), and as such, we worship in the fulfillment of the Old, not the complete abolishment of the Old. My friend, I would urge you to look at where the very collection of texts you call “the Bible” came from and what the disciples of the Apostles taught. I would urge you to study closely the living tradition of God’s people and not just the small part of that tradition which is called by modern people “the Bible.”

[@malcolmandrews4942]

Yee Haw only one problem with your scheme- it’s not Biblical.

[@micaiahwiersma6996]

​@malcolmandrews4942 Christ did not say to St Peter, "On this rock, I will build my scripture," He said, "On this rock, I will build my Church." As God handed down to Moses on Sinai the Law, so Christ handed down the authority structure of the Church to the Apostles and they continued this practice and passed it down through ordaining priests and bishops in a holy apostolic line that remains unbroken in the Orthodox Church to this day.

[@CodyWeidner]

Faith without works is dead.. works without faith is useless.

[@valleyofdrybonesvalleyofdr2914]

James was already talking to Christians...not telling them "how" to be Christians...James was the Pastor in Jerusalem and was talking about Christian walk and works as a Christian...read the whole book of James...I have taught it several time Context is king. Always ask, "who is speaking; to whom is he speaking; when is he speaking". All the bible is for us...not all the bible is about us. Learn to rightly divide the word of truth! Cody, do your works always match your faith? Exactly...guess you are lost!

[@cv378]

True brother, James also says this interestingly enough. Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. James 1:21. James just said that the word, is able to save your souls! Our righteous works are like filthy rags, and cannot gain favor with God. The works James refers to is the natural outflow of true faith. Also James is contrasting about general faith in God, i.e. even demons believe. This is not the same works of the Law that Paul talks about, which is mosaic law sacrifices etc.

[@kirilhristov9024]

Yeah but works are ordained by God for the saved people to do, not for carnal people to do them, thinking they will be saved.

[@mythologicalmyth]

But you can’t exercise “true religion’s” works without faith.

[@lake3176]

I am from Orthodox Christian family now evangelical. I think Jhon McArthur is right as there is very little difference between Orthodox and Catholics. In contrary to Hanks comment, both share & practice the priesthood celebacy doctrine. Orthodox Pops do not get marry. Both Orthodox & Catholics believe in immaculate conception of Jesus i.e. Marry is sinless as a result of her virgin birth of Jesus. Both also believe salvation as a result of deed & faith. On the surface it looks correct. However, according to Ethiopian Orthodox Church, one of the esstern Orthodox which I am familiar with deed is not merly defined in James 2 or good deed as Hank tried to explain. It rather include water baptism, holly communion, special intercessory prayer for the dead, generosity to the poor... and faith. In other words if you fail to get baptised or take holly communion you will get lost or go to hell. That is exactly why I left Eastern Orthodox. The list of their similarity goes on and on..... Hank is dancing arrround and need to do his home work.

[@BlazingLove316]

I have read scripture and it clearly says we are saved by grace through faith not of works, but works are the evidence of saving faith. Thank you Hank.

[@PaDutchRunner]

Precisely. Therefore, Hank is misguided.

[@saludanite]

Do the scriptures have anything else to say?

[@PaDutchRunner]

Bill Sterling yes....if you engage in eisogesis.

[@PaDutchRunner]

Richy Rich a misunderstanding of that verse.

[@robertwhatley2825]

BlazingLove3:16, then if you believe as you say, you clearly haven’t read your bible.

[@CocotheNut]

You responded with so much patience to such a shockingly ignorant and disrespectful personal attack and attack on the Faith. Lord have mercy on John Macarthur. God bless you! ☦️

[@riaanesterhuizen9003]

I was given a book of Hank Hanegraaf many years ago, as a gift. I was taken in by the man then and I still am today....

[@granjmy]

I could listen to this man recite scripture for hours! What a gift from God- to be able to speak God's word so clearly, with such expression, force, and emphasis! Sheer pleasure! He makes the Word of God come alive!

[@kevinbarton1661]

Read your Bible yourself out Loud . The scriptures will do the same thing for you . God bless you.

[@michaelmerck7576]

I feel he is not only very knowledgeable but also very patient and kind hearted,you can see and hear Jesus in his speaking

[@Amick44]

@@michaelmerck7576 I agree. You truly can ( hear Jesus) in his voice & soul.

[@billbates5475]

MacArthur only proves he is not a Christian. Even IF he was correct, he should never attack a brother in Christ like he did.

[@paulamorningstar1029]

Many years Hank! May God give you strength to endure.

[@amiller5885]

I use to listen to Hank Hanegraaff in the 1990s all the time. I moved to the liturgical side of the church about 20 yrs ago. Even though I raised my kids with knowledge of church history, the beauty of liturgical services and the meaning, monastic lifestyle etc. It is only formerly now we all decided to get conformed in the Roman Catholic church. My adult kids need a deeper, fuller understanding of the Christian faith than the protestantism I was raised in. Funny thing is, I haven't considered myself not Catholic for over 15 years, just making it official. However, I love all liturgical traditions, Coptic, Eastern Orthodox, (I say The Jesus Prayer regularly.) Ect. I'm delighted that Hank and his family found the Eastern Orthodox church. I believe God is going to use him to introduce many Evangelicals to the historical and liturgical side to their Christian faith. ✝️ God Bless all Christians everywhere in God's good 🌎 earth.

[@gregorybeavins738]

Ephesians 2:10 speaks about our ability to do good work because we are created IN Christ Jesus for them.

[@annemiepretorius6443]

Faith alone save, this brings the new person and spontaneous good works follows worked through the Holy Spirit.

[@TheRev1011]

@Chris V. Noire. But many times if not recorded more abraham failed to believe God. Yes faith is an action... But that also is a work of God. A gift. It is not our faith OR works that justify alone. Rather its the object of our faith which good works flow out of that we are justified. Christ justifies ALONE. One is justified by having faith in the One who justifies. But that faith is created by God not conjured up by man. God prepared good works before hand so that we would walk in them. For it is God who worls in us to both will and do His good pleasure.

[@TheRev1011]

@Chris V. Noire. If our salvation was based on works alone God would require perfect works to be justified. If on faith alone which is a work then we would have to have a perfect faith to be justified. We are justified by the object of our faith/works alone.

[@mauricewilsondaddybob1307]

@Chris V. Noire. Paul teaching the Gentiles the church the body of Christ Romans the 4th chapter.

[@TruthSeeker52342]

If this was true then James inspired by the Holy Ghost wouldn't have written "the faith is not able to save him" (James 2,14) or "we are justified by works and not by faith alone" (James 2,24).

[@mauricewilsondaddybob1307]

Romans the 4th chapter, Ephesians the first chapter verse 13, 1st Corinthians 15 chapter verse 1 to 4

[@wisdomlovespirit]

Extremely impressed by the Christ-like spirit in which this message is delivered, praise God! O how beautiful when (in Christ) brother speaks to brother with respect, even if they disagree. The bible teaches christians to communicate to each other with "gentle"ness and heart-felt love, not by attacking, mocking, etc. I greatly appreciate and commend Hank's biblical communication skills here.

[@spiritualwordstoencouragea7953]

Amen completely. Doesn't matter who is right in the issue - but thank God for the proper communication of his viewpoint. if you communicate improper, you have already lost the debate.

[@maryhilker7526]

I feel the same. Really hear Christ spirit in his message. I love John MacArthur too! He helped me come out of the Roman Catholic faith. I don't feel our Lord wants us to condemn each other. Thank you Hank! I listened to you for a long time on 101.5 Word FM.

[@bolshoefeodor6536]

Of course, when there are genuine wolves that have broken in among the flock, are they not to be reviled in the tradition of how Jeremiah did?

[@sarge7108]

Mr Hanegraaf you are a true gentleman and seeker of the truth in the salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you. I do not know much about the Orthodox Church but respect your compassionate testimony and demeanor.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@sarge7108 Appreciate your kind words. 🙏

[@visibilitypointcorp]

Thank you, Hank. Great explanation of the age old debate between Faith vs Works and great illustration of love towards another of the body of Christ.

[@Lasgun91]

God bless our Holy Orthodox Church. I'll be praying for you, Mr. Hanegraff, I hope you that God grants you many years to spread the correct-believing faith all across this continent.

[@ericschmit5911]

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9.

[@indigenouspotliquor3546]

Father God please protect Hank from all of the curses of the enemy's camp. I have noticed that when people are wrong with their doctrines they can just not stop talking about somebody who they think is wrong in their doctrines. Please keep him safe from the repetitive curses coming out of the mouths of such people. I asked for this in Jesus name Amen

[@wlonsdale1]

His doctrine so wrong though

[@festushaggen2563]

I agree with John here because he's basing his argument from scripture. Even what's quoted here is telling us that works follow faith. Faith saves but works are the natural expression of true faith. As a flower naturally comes from a flower seed. A great example of saving faith is in Luke 23:42, the thief on the cross who was crucified next to Jesus. All that man did is say "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom". Jesus said to him, "today, you will be with me in paradise". So the question then is, what works did that thief do to be saved? None, he died there shortly after. It was faith and faith alone by believing on Jesus as the Son of God that saved him. Paul states this in Ephesians 2:8 to clarify that "we are saved by grace through faith and not of works lest any man should boast". I like Hank a lot but disagree with him on some things. The Eastern Orthodox Church also prays to the saints and Mary. He says they "venerate" Mary in defense of this but the Bible clearly says in 1 Timothy 2:5 that "there is one mediator between man and God, the man Jesus Christ". There's no room to make an argument to pray to anyone else. Never are we told we can or should. They're also not divine so how could they even hear the prayers of so many people? They were only humans who also needed salvation through Christ. Not that they did nothing or were meaningless but they're not God and have no godly authority or powers. The apostles even refused worship when they were here and told the people not to do that, that they were only men. He also doesn't believe in pretribulation rapture which I believe the Bible teaches is true. I still believe him to be a brother because of his expressed faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. As the Son of God who died for our sins. All who believe that will be saved as it is written. It's just that there are certain things that denominations disagree on and it just has to be let go of at a certain point. I still like Hank and have been listening to him for many years and will continue to as long as we're here. I'm thankful to him for his work and pray for his health in his time of need.

[@r36125yt]

@Trucker_Pete According to orthodox tradition the names of the thieves on each side of the cross were Dismas and Gestas. When Joseph and Mary were traveling to Egypt they were accosted by these two very thieves. Something in his heart moved Dismas to prevent Gestas from going through with the robbery and he offered him something of his own of value to bribe him. The virgin mother thanked him and told him he would be rewarded someday by her Son. On the cross he knew that Jesus was innocent therefore he was familiar with Jesus. You do not know his heart and what works he may have done up to that point along side of his faith. That is the danger of interpreting the Bible outside the context of Christ's Body the Church. Saint Paul in 1Corinthians 11:2 says "Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. Notice that there is no distinction between written and oral. The context of 1 Timothy 2:5 was Paul preaching to the Greeks who were pluralistic. Paul is emphasizing that there is but one God. And Jesus, Who's humanity comes from the Virgin Mary, is the one Mediator. At the same time it was He, Christ, that established the Church and its leaders who are guided by the Holy Spirit. It is through the experience of the church that many were saved by the prayers of the righteous and many were healed by God's grace working through them. By your reasoning why go to Saint Paul who healed many? Why didn't those in Pauls time just pray to Jesus? We venerate the Saints and ask them to pray for us by experience of the grace that works through them. Christ wants us to do this as a sign of neighborly love. Otherwise His grace would not be working through them. The apostles refused worship but they also healed many illnesses. Peter raised Tabitha from the dead. We don't worship them. But we do recognize God's grace working through them. They lead us to Christ, not to themselves. In Acts 19:11-12 we learn that articles of clothing from Saint Paul's body healed those who were sick and possessed with evil spirits. Now if you witnessed this or were one of those healed, what would you do with those articles of clothing? Throw them away when you were done? No, you protect them as receptacles of God's grace. We don't worship these objects but we venerate them as being holy receptacles of God's grace.

[@sinfulyetsaved]

And is John a pope? To understand what he believes is not his own interpretation? If we go down this road about '' believing scripture '' u need to ask who's interpretation of scripture do you believe. If you say your a Bible believing Christians.. Well so does the pentacostal, so does the Baptist so does the Lutheran church, so does the methodist church. They all "believe the Bible" yet they all believe each other are wrong..

[@repenthouse]

One Coin, Two Sides James and Paul go together. Like two sides of the same coin, they don't conflict with each other; they complement each other. Both teach us something vital. Paul looks at what goes on internally; James talks about the external results. Paul says, "We're saved by faith." James says, "This is what saving faith looks like.".... Works is the result of the Faith "FIRST"

[@TruthSeeker52342]

But do you still think we are justified by faith alone?

[@victoriawistwell5713]

I think we all need to be very careful about throwing curses around within the body of Christ. Beware your own vanity (everyone) that hides in the guise of “being right”

[@atombomb31458]

i agree...we need to respect eachother...and humble ourselves. we all think WE of course are correct.

[@carlcampbell6827]

Marque Markofthebeast - Can you be specific and say who the people are you are calling "Freemason faggots"? This could certainly take in a huge category of those that have a form of religion by lack the power therein. Being led by the wisdom of men and Satan is a fearsome prospect.

[@tomdoan9644]

John MacArthur Has no clue what he's talking about....He must have never read faith without works is a dead faith..!!

[@MrMfloor]

Macarthur is warning the flock of wolves as a faithful pastor must do because he will have to answer to God one day! I’m sorry but Hank is so lost! He needs to be regenerated! This a lost man ! Don’t be deceived

[@nashvilletennessee3194]

@@MrMfloor please explain how he is lost!

[@Sam-rx4ik]

As a Protestant evangelical when I watch this video i see the fruits of the spirit patience, love and gentleness. This alone for me allows me to see the spirit of truth in Hanks words. Thank you Hank God bless you and I pray that we all may all enter into his fullness 😊

[@jcinthelineoftruth2277]

I was an Orthodox, almost priest, I am now an Assembly of God Christian, and I pastor a small church, I thanks the lord that I have an understanding of he Cross which many Orthodox could benefit from, John 6:53-66 the bread of Life Passage, I’ve known their believe I believed it I no longer have the same view of Holy Communion. I am Happy I came to a knowledge of Christ in Orthodoxy, I am more profoundly thankful to the Scriptures for leading me to THE Knowledge of Jesus our Messiah

[@heels-villeshoerepairs8613]

Totally and unequivocally concur whole heartedly!!!! Well said Hank! Gracefully balanced! We are justified by faith alone, but what sort of faith do we have?! Our works demonstrate our salvation.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

For more information, see Hank's book Truth Matters, Life Matters More: The Unexpected Beauty of an Authentic Christian Life. amzn.to/2Ycd3CX See also these articles related to Eastern Orthodoxy: www.equip.org/articles/what-is-eastern-orthodoxy/, www.equip.org/questions-answers-orthodoxy/, www.equip.org/article/left-christian-faith/, www.equip.org/articles/whats-the-difference-between-eastern-orthodoxy-and-roman-catholicism-and-what-is-wrong-with-purgatory/, www.equip.org/article/what-is-the-central-mystery-of-the-church/, and www.equip.org/articles/what-can-eastern-orthodox-and-evangelical-christians-learn-from-each-other/

[@israel_connection]

Do all Orthodox in Russia know Israel is the revived second earth beast and why does Puttin worship the Image or Idle wailing wall of stone?

[@kiryu-chan577]

Hank he is no friend to you. He is the meanest judging stone throwing hypocrite I have ever heard.

[@Sleightman3D]

I missed the part where Chrismation is in the Bible. Did Jesus place a cloth on the heads of the diciples? Justification through Faith and the resulting fruits of faith (works) are two separate things. A person who professes faith and yet you see no fruits is a warning about the person standing in front of you. Also noted that the Orthodox love to say they aren't Catholics, and yet they still hold into many Catholic (heretical) traditions and rituals that are not Biblical. The orthodox read their church fathers like they are scripture.

[@richardmohr9428]

@@Sleightman3D There are many non-Protestants that regard Protestants as heretics. So? We do rely on the Church Fathers, just as today's Protestants rely on Calvin, Darby, Chuck Smith and many others. You believe what you've been taught by those you trust or else your own private interpretation, don't you? I'll take Sts. Athanasius, John Chrysostomos over Darby and Smith, thank you very much. Without Darbys marginal notes in the Schofield Bible, what would your eschatology be? Get a copy of "The Orthodox Church" by Kallistos Ware. Read about the liturgy in Dom Gregory Dix's "The Shape of the Liturgy." A common assumption of Protestants is that the Early Church was just like theirs. This is impossible, given the vast variety of Protestant ways of doing things and interpreting Scripture. You can't all be right, can you? That wouldn't be "biblical," a word that has been abused so much that those who use it can't agree with one another. That's a problem, isn't it? Tonight is Holy Pascha. Find an Orthodox church and attend and stick around afterward and ask questions. You might be surprised.

[@andrettanylund830]

Why doesn't Hank talk about the Orthodox church teaching that you don't receive the Holy Spirit unless you are baptized in their church. Also you teaching is confusing because you changed the way you taught for years. I do believe that is you are a Christian you do produce works that show your saved but we are saved by grace. You act like you are angry when I question this. Why don't you address this. I've supported you over the years and respect you but you need to address this.

[@williamakinso2762]

Wonderful comment from you, I don’t know you but I love your comments. I am a regular listener of John’s teachings from gty. Listening to you , I could see that both of you have the same heart for the gospel of our Lord. Thank you for your explanation of you believe and God Bless

[@joycefarber3001]

You must be born again!!!!! No one can enter the kingdom unless they are born of God. (The Holy Spirit) No Holy Spirit, no salvation. You cannot be born again without it. That is the new life in Christ. The old life passes away.

[@markcolby2927]

Tell em Joyce!

[@debmclernon]

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8 John was quoting Paul, not some person from the 17th century. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.” Galatians 2:21

[@Cyberfender1]

well said Hank Sir! Humility No animosity. Correct Scripture application. This is a man who looks like he has Joy of the Holy Spirit to me. Thank you for you ministry telling me in the past about the hereticle Word-faith movement.

[@theien5929]

The Protestants and the orthodox use the same words like faith, grace, salvation, works, etc. but these words have much different meanings. As for me, I believe the Orthodox and RCs are much closer to the faith taught by the apostles. Just read the fathers from the first and second centuries, men who knew the apostles or their first generation successors.

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

Got some quotes?

[@Cormac2023]

Thank you Hank for being instrumental in ministering to me. I needed to hear this entire message.

[@rev.j.rogerallen9328]

Hank, as I listened to your radio show over a number of years, I knew you would end up in Orthodoxy. I have been on a journey just like yourself. You never especially talked about it but I knew you were going in that direction. I am so happy for you that you found your spiritual home. God has me in an Anglican vineyard to do His work but my respect for Orthodoxy is immense. I praise God you were called to His Church and you responded.

[@georgecapra]

You and Hank have the same demonic spirit in you like the one of Judah Iscariot ,the one that sold Jesus Christ for 30 pieces of silver . Both of you will receive the same reword from Holy God.

[@georgecapra]

@biljce a What an Idiot , The Orthodox Church split away from Catholic Church ,the Orthodox and the Catholic Church are Apostates and Criminal Organizations , like Mafia " There is a long history leading up to the split of 1054, including the Filioque. The split of 1054 was not an isolated event, but kind of like the final split in a marriage that had become bad." Orthodox and Catholic Church created also the Religion of Islam, another criminal religion just like orthodox and catholic , them are the three satanic demons from hell . " Augustine, the bishop of North Africa, was effective in winning Arabs to Catholicism (salvation by the sacraments through the Papal Church), but many did not convert. At the same time, missionaries of the followers of Christ were preaching the pure gospel in North Africa, Asia Minor and other places. Satan didn’t want the Arabs to know the true path of salvation, so he had the Augustinians create the false religion of Islam, to deceive them. The Koran gives Muslims a religious cause, which opposes Christians, so that they don’t read the Gospel and be saved. Islam is Romanism for Arabs. Revelation 17 calls the Roman Church the Mother of Harlots, and Islam is one of the daughter religions that they helped create."

[@house0paine535]

@@georgecapra, Wowzas... Uhm. Say you are a truth speaker, don't you want your audience to listen to you, and learn from you? Do you know what ethos is? Attacking the person instead of the subject is blatant immaturity. No one is going to learn or desire to agree with your teaching if your an ass, forgive me for my harsh language. I am guessing you are Muslim, did you search for a controversial video to what you believe so you could just say someone has a demonic spirit?

[@georgecapra]

@@house0paine535 You are guessing wrong, I am a Baptist and not a Muslim , there is not a big difference between an Muslim a Catholic and a Orthodox, all of them are enemy of Lord Jesus Christ , both of them persecute the true Believers in Holy God, when Catholic Church created Islam and Mohammad , there were no Orthodox Church , so Catholic and Orthodox believers made one Church, so now Catholic and Orthodox are guilty of the crimes and terror that Islam are doing around the world ,those two Churches are the Mother and the Father of that Satanic Islam. Islam, Catholic Church and Orthodox Church are worshiping the Devil.

[@house0paine535]

@@georgecapra Yikes. You are just flat out wrong on so many assertions there. I would suggest studying early church a bit more earnestly. It would be pretty unfortunate if the same Church that compiled the scriptures was as bad as you say, I would say your sola scriptura faith is on some pretty shakey ground if your assertions are true.

[@Logiconfire]

Too wordy of a response. He saved us not because of any righteous thing we had done, but because of his Mercy. He opened our eyes and brought us from darkness to light from the power of Satan to God. Works has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[@michaelszczys8316]

Heard Hank Hanagraaf on the radio over many years. Never really liked listening to him as his answers mostly sounded to be that he was the ‘ Bible Answer Man ‘ and nobody knew more than him so don’t argue with him

[@nuggetoftruth-ericking7489]

Thank you Hank. I teach original Antiochene theology online. I have been blessed to receive some ancient documents (Greek) from a 100+ year old Antiochene teacher three years ago. I invite fellow Christians to check out our findings. Thanks again for all your work for the Lord. ~ eric

[@strugglingathome]

What a blessing to see theosis at work in this response!

[@jonnyboat2]

I’m still trying to figure out the whole controversy between Christianity, Eastern Orthodoxy, your involvement and what John MacArthur says about Eastern Orthodox beliefs. I know this, I absolutely trust John MacArthur and what he puts out there and stands behind.

[@PaDutchRunner]

Amen

[@jonnyboat2]

@@PaDutchRunner I started listening to pastor MacArthur on the radio during my commute to work each morning starting back in 2011. I would get so mad at him because of what he’d say and how it contradicted what I was taught and experienced in the church I had attended for years. That’s when I started praying about the issues brought to light so that I would somehow find the truth of the matter. John doesn’t just let statements or personal thoughts fly when discussing issues or preaching a sermon. What I’ve found is that he uses scripture, puts it in context, explains its history and meaning relevant to the time and place in history that it was written all of which aids in understanding. He’s helped to open my eyes on important issues of faith and doctrine and to see what’s true and not some corrupted teaching. Thank God for preachers and scholars like John MacArthur.

[@philmonk4159]

Thank you Hank for loving God and man and showing respect to both.

[@ltlarrow1]

Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you.

[@Ggeg0000]

well Hank has been persectued as Potestant and GO so he's more holy than most I guess

[@ltlarrow1]

Since we Orthodox believe the same as the Apostles, how is that false Christianity?

[@Ggeg0000]

yes, we all believe the same as the apostles, the question is who is right

[@ltlarrow1]

who has not altered the faith since the time of the apostles?

[@Ggeg0000]

Not the GO or the RCC. I don't know as much about GO as I do about RCC. But GO does believe in works needed for salvation and confession to a priest for the removal of the guilt of sin? If so, the answer about who changed the faith since the apostles is obvious

[@AFACorporate]

I completely agree with John MacArthur

[@mamabear5289]

I really enjoyed this short lesson on faith! Something you said really spoke to me! Thank you!!

[@jackjones3657]

Faith without works is dead. It's disheartening when Christians create unnecessary chasms between themselves over misunderstandings of varying interpretations of scripture. I can imagine how it looks to non believers who are already skeptical.

[@lake3176]

I am from Orthodox Christian family now evangelical. I think Jhon McArthur is right as there is very little difference between Orthodox and Catholics. In contrary to Hanks comment, both share & practice the priesthood celebacy doctrine. Orthodox Pops do not get marry. Both Orthodox & Catholics believe in immaculate conception of Jesus i.e. Marry is sinless as a result of her virgin birth of Jesus. Both also believe salvation as a result of deed & faith. On the surface it looks correct. However, according to Ethiopian Orthodox Church, one of the esstern Orthodox which I am familiar with deed is not merly defined in James 2 or good deed as Hank tried to explain. It rather include water baptism, holly communion, special intercessory prayer for the dead, generosity to the poor... and faith. In other words if you fail to get baptised or take holly communion you will get lost or go to hell. The list of their similarity goes on and on..... Hank need to do his home work.

[@Bleakfacts]

No, the Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians are very different and growing farther apart every day. You should study more.

[@hilairebelloc3368]

@@Bleakfacts In terms of actual dogma, they are basically identical; the only actual difference is the power of the Supreme Pontiff. As for cultural differences - yeah, there's a gap.

[@Bleakfacts]

The Supreme Pontiff is a gigantic difference which constantly spawns crimes or offenses against all, and new dogma, like original sin, purgatory, the crusades etc.. Filioque in itself isn't such a horrible heresy, but more of a symptom of having papal supremacy which poisons everything. A new great heresy of the roman church, is that just about any christian can be part of the roman church regardless of what they believe so longs they submits to the pope. We see this with byzantine catholics that oddly have retained some orthodox theology, that would have resulted in excommunication or death not so long ago.

[@hilairebelloc3368]

@@Bleakfacts (I take it you're Orthodox) But technically, you guys don't disagree with Catholics on any of the issues you listed (With the exception of the Crusades - Innocent III DID excommunicate those crusaders who disobeyed his orders and sacked Constantinople. We ARE sorry.) Regarding Original Sin - you believe in a privation of sanctifying grace as well. Regarding Purgatory - you pray for the dead too. Even the Filioque - which only pertained to the Latin Rite - is a doctrine commonly held among the Fathers and in Sacred Scripture, and if I recall correctly, the late Patriarch of Constantinople took no issue with an interpretation of the text that held the Holy Spirit as proceeding THROUGH the Son while still proceeding from the Father as the ultimate principle. Regarding papal supremacy itself, I always point to the Quartodeciman Controversy and St. Victor I as early evidence of papal supremacy, but I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

[@dsofos]

Dear brother Hank, you are a true gentleman and I think that basically the two of you do not disagree on the basis of salvation. I'm an evangelical living in Greece, an almost totally orthodox country, which is the cradle of orthodoxy. Please take a short trip to Greece and get to know the sad situation of the church here which is still living in the middle ages promoting the worship of relics, worship of miraculous icons and total lack of preaching of the gospel. If the leaders of the orthodox church in Greece had half of your wisdom and your love of the Scriptures I would gladly consider rejoining this church. Until then I stand firm with the Reformation with all its flaws.

[@alfonzocarbone1348]

Salvation doesn’t come by joining a denomination but through Jesus and Him alone.

[@r36125yt]

The orthodox church is the body of Christ so you correct in a way without realizing it. Orthodoxy is not a denomination. It is a way of life.

[@stykemccormack3741]

Correct church is the body of Christ as is the temple it is spiritual made up of called out ones all over the world not a physical building we can see or made by human hands

[@greglaprade7507]

@@r36125yt Are you saying Reformed Protestants are not saved?

[@greglaprade7507]

@@stykemccormack3741 Amen!

[@r36125yt]

@@greglaprade7507 No I am not. Romans 9:15 "For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion". But if you seek the true body of Christ I believe it is the Eastern Orthodox Church.