The Protestant Reformation and the Orthodox Christian East

[@AIDAHAR210]

I was born muslim, then became atheist, then became Christian in a protestant church. And now I'm really interested in and leaning towards Orthodoxy, and would like to learn more

[@Trisagionfilms]

Glory to God my friend! If you need anything let us know.

[@diananoonen2262]

If your an ethnic muslim you will feel the kinship for sure. Understand Most muslims were Christianized until they were subjugated and converted to Islam. Come home to your roots- with joy, love, and welcome. +May God bless and illuminate your path.+

[@manousosvasilakis753]

"Thirsting for God: In a Land of Shallow Wells" by Matthew Gallatin does a really good job of breaking down the differences bet Orthodoxy and Protestantism. He uses both scripture and decisions by the various synods and councils. The author is a convert from Protestantism to Orthodoxy.

[@MM-jh4cp]

Do not choose to be orthodox because it will choose you once you have allowed yourself to learn what Christ’s teachings meant and mean for us and all. It is a journey not a sales or marketing plan.

[@angelocos1]

What a journey you have taken. God bless you

[@jacfalcon]

Protestant Bible College graduate who converted to Orthodoxy after studying Christian history and witnessing the work of the teachings of the Elders and Fathers in my heart. It is not JUST that it is the fullness of Christianity that Christ taught, it is that Orthodoxy will truly transform you.

[@mikeparker840]

I've discovered myself that it's pretty dangerous reading the early church fathers. Took me from Calvinism to Lutheranism and now leaning toward orthodox.

[@skytan4436]

@@mikeparker840 May I ask, why is it dangerous, please?

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

Can you confirm that US bible colleges are controlled by Freemasons? Ive never met even one preacher that graduated in America that is not a freemason

[@1985LISS]

Amin Christian brother

[@christineselwains8773]

Welcome. Always a champion of those who were not born into orthodoxy, I was blessed enough to inherit it.

[@maryaigler7651]

The difference between Eastern Orthodoxy and western expressions of Christianity is that Orthodoxy expresses a Way of life: an actual transformation of your self into being closer to Jesus. We call this “theosis” and it is part of the process of sanctification by the Holy Spirit. The whole practice of Orthodoxy is to get you “into it”- by prayer discipline, controlling your passions (impulses), and community experience of the Holy Mysteries. All to get you out of your head and on the path to God.

[@Hail_Full_of_Grace]

Sounds similar to what i as a western Christian do too. My faith is my whole life , i give time everyday to reflect on the perfect Christ and the Gospel. Instead of squabble we should come together as fellow Christians as we all believe that Christ was broken on the cross for our sins.

[@theTavis01]

@@Hail_Full_of_Grace I agree. I think that Protestants have a lot to learn from Orthodox, but I also think the Orthodox has something to learn from Protestants, and the divisions along "party lines" is opposite of the inclusionary unity expressed so clearly by Jesus and the apostles.

[@monitawong1803]

😊

[@KekristenanTimur]

I am a convert from Lutheran to Charismatic, to Evangelicalism, to Pentecostalism and finally to One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic, Orthodox Church of Jesus Christ since 33 AD. Glory to God in all things!

[@slavdefendov1499]

God bless you brother. The heavens rejoice your homecoming

[@JesusProtects]

Why?

[@bogdankg100]

Kekristenan Timur WELCOME TO THE TRUTH AND LIGHT OF THE CHRIST WAY ...

[@zealousideal]

Amen. Welcome aboard!! Yes, I went thru all those churches and more and started from RC. I was a minister and pastor with some of those as well. It’s been a lifelong journey, but so happy I’ve finally found this truth and gem!

[@abrahamdaniel1644]

Good decision

[@jeredhanna5091]

I was raised in a Pentecostal church and was never able to find answers for a lot of questions that I had. After 2 close friends introduced me to the orthodox church I can say that I am now an Inquirer and hope to be accepted into the church soon. Trisagion Films films on the orthodox saints have helped me tremendously!

[@EnderElohim]

Hello there brothers and sisters, much love from turkey as a convert turkish christian from islam. God bless you all.

[@lornadoone8887]

My childhood formation was in the Methodist Church. I became Orthodox when I was 46 after sojourn through several Evangelical or Pentecostal traditions. No wonder I was restless until I gained my true spiritual home in the Orthodox Church.

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

It says quite a bit that the Orthodox had no such reformation. The West lost its way long ago and the results are plain for all to see today. I foresee many Protestants converting to Orthodoxy in the future. Frankly it just hasn’t been known to us, and I think all many of us have ever wanted is to worship the way the Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles laid out for us, yet we’ve known the papacy is not that way. May we all find our way back to the mother church. Glory to God.

[@colegest9742]

I’m one of those converts

[@Sendo664]

I noticed that many convert rightnow to orthodoxy. Especially in the usa

[@MrKoalaburger]

My church, OCA, is like 80% protestant converts and we have ~250 members.

[@andys3035]

I am one of those converts

[@nicodemuseam]

Im one of those converts also.

[@maximusatlas9377]

I am late to reply but I was an atheist for 10 years but now I am a convert to Orthodoxy. If Protestants were Orthodox we would have a more proper world with God's Grace.

[@Trisagionfilms]

God bless friend we will pray for you. What is your first name?

[@maximusatlas9377]

@@Trisagionfilms Christian. I am from Puerto Rico. God bless.

[@tiasunepamri1944]

But less Christian mission I guess. I am a protestant and we don't have any Orthodox church in our region. I am learning lots of things deficient in our protestant tradition. And thank God, that I am learning from my Orthodox brothers and sisters. Having said that however, when it comes to mission and evangelism, other two branch also has much to learn from the protestants.

[@diananoonen2262]

@@tiasunepamri1944 we have missions and missionaries all over the world. Not being Orthodox you would not have known. These videos are a part of this work and there are thousands of other out reach programs throughout the church worldwide. One is our OCMC. If your referring to our inqiring and challenging individuals asking "are you saved? " we do but in a much different and sacred way. We also do not prostelize. So I hope this clarified missionary work. The Orthodox church was created on the entire foundation of missionary work. My suggestion, come and see. Contact a local priest in your area and go to the church and Father will be able to answer all your questions. You do not need to attend a liturgy this can be done any day. Although, the liturgy is quite beautuful, but preparation may inhance your understanding and experience. God bless you on your journey.

[@hi438_]

@@aidenpothen5771 we still do that to tell to tell everybody who is the real God and we are not scared of anything because they kill us for doing that and many person have the chance to believe in god word.

[@resumacast]

I come from a Protestant tradition an I’ve been away from church from many years. I’ve been in touch with orthodox literature for a while and I found why I’ve always felt something was quite not right about my notions on salvation and all the main topics of my faith. Unfortunately where I live there is not an orthodox community. As I live in Japan the nearest Orthodox Church is in Tokyo but I’m willing to travel weekly to find my way through as soon as possible. I finally have found the real Christ’s church.

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

You've probably heard of him but just in case you have not, I was reading about St Nicholas of Japan and the Japanese Orthodox Church but I don't know much more than that he exists. You could ask him to pray with you to God for a local church to build.

[@LadyMaria]

May God bless you! ☦ 🌹 💗

[@theangryslav9115]

I am a protestant from atheist. Slowly leaning toward orthodoxy because its symbolism matching so much the one in the Bible. I cannot accept full dogma still but im a big fan. May the Orthodox church stay strong.

[@diananoonen2262]

Thank you. Hoping your able to join us. We would love to have you, BUT you need to be ready as GOD guides your steps. God Bless you.

[@petervandolah5322]

You're doing it right ... Stay patient with yourself, and you will be quite pleased with the results ... God bless you !

[@johnpearson2519]

Current Latin Catholic who is being heavily pulled to Orthodoxy for quite some tie now. I can no longer accept that the Latin Church is the true Church. Way too much corruption and confusion. Please keep me in your prayers as I’m going to possibly be making my decision very soon to convert to Orthodoxy 🙏

[@1985LISS]

My brother is reading a book I bought, the book that mysteriously was pulled from the shelves not to be sold, so they are scared about something in the book, but if I heard my brother right, there is a possibility that the slavs may have been late coming down in the 9 Century ad but they may connect to us. BC. Before Christ, AD after death. IT is not BCE or ACE. this is made up crap I argued with professors when I was going to college and I said I can't get used to this and as long as I'm in college I will not accept any changes!!!!! I graduated 1994

[@theTavis01]

@@petervandolah5322 I cannot get past the kissing of paintings. I have been a painter for almost 20 years, but a Christian for only 2. When I converted I was hyper-focused on all the warnings in the Old Testament about graven images, and I do not see how the Orthodox justify such behavior. I also despise the complete lack of visual worship in my Protestant church so it's not like I'm claiming they do it any better - but is it not just dead pigments on a dead canvas?

[@nicholas2827]

I have had the honor to have known him and his family. This man is as humble and down to earth as he is knowledgeable. Have always enjoyed speaking with him. His son is a great guy as well.

[@alexpeace7603]

Joined the Orthodox Church 11 years ago after 18 years in the Watchtower organization (Jehovah's Witnesses). Never regretted.

[@tidvrlarvt1023]

Convert From Charismatic Protestant to Eastern Orthodox.

[@letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoletsgo]

why did you do that ?

[@blabccdcdc7200]

I say unto you, that thus there shall be joy in heaven for one repenting sinner, more than for ninety and nine righteous who have no need of repentance.

[@Kressa1111]

We are all one in Christ. I am happy you found what gives you peace to keep moving forward.

[@jimgilligan9236]

So you left Jesus and then went to Jesus? Really sad that you think Jesus cares what church you attend over how you serve and love people in His name. Gods kingdom is in your heart, not a church

[@whitemakesright2177]

If only the Reformers had become Orthodox instead, we would be living in a better world today.

[@Trisagionfilms]

Indeed... If only...

[@rhdtv2002]

Or if they didnt tried to Reform the world still would be a good life

[@MortenBendiksen]

If nobody reformed the western world would be stuck in a world where the priesthood sells it's supposed powers and believed in the infallibility of a single human. The Roman catholic church at the time seems to me to have been as far away from christianity as it is possible to get without simply giving up on the whole idea altogether. The reform needed to happen, the question is whether it took the best direction, or could have done better.

[@zealousideal]

They almost did !! Martin Luther was actually in dialogue with the Greek Orthodox when he left Roman Catholicism. He even stated, “ The Truth lies with the Greeks”. As he first started writing them , he thought that his new found beliefs were gonna directly line up with the orthodox viewpoints. He even stated this and seemed excited about being in contact with them. But unfortunately, he quickly found out he was mistaken. In the next few letters, he tried to justify his beliefs and also somewhat wanted to come to a compromise. But the Orthodox bishops basically deemed him also a heretic by this point and told him not to write them again..and also quit responding to him. Otherwise, I think possibly he maybe could have. But since he had a haughty attitude and argued some of his points, he upset the Greeks and they cut him off. Oh well...Is what it is.

[@Trisagionfilms]

Dear Nickolas Barbin, If you listen to the whole lecture you will find out that even though Luther indeed said, “The Truth lies with the Greeks”, he never himself attempted to contact the Orthodox. It was Philip Melanchthon who did, after Luther's death. Luther was wrapt up in himself and his new ideologies. And the Lutherans after him who repeated the effort 15 years after Melanchthon's death were unable to understand the objections of the Orthodox to the changes introduced by the Lutherans. Please listen to the whole lecture. We can send you the original paper to read it, if you want.

[@zzzzppppooooo]

The video that started my journey Forever greatful ☦️ praise God

[@matungatia3996]

Aspiring catechumen here, seeking to one day become Eastern Orthodox. Going through the lectures and books as well as through prayer gives me more reason and hope that I will one day become Eastern Orthodox

[@thepolyglotdude1530]

Born Roman Catholic, became pentecostal, then evangelical now I am very interested in Eastern Orthodoxy

[@zealousideal]

I’m a convert from Pentecostal Evangelicalism. Great stuff! Love it!

[@OrthoReadings]

Wow, that’s a big jump. Welcome!

[@LarryNathanielPhoto]

Thank God you got out of Satan's Pentecostal Churches!

[@kieran296]

Wow, huge jump lol, thankfully you left and became apartnof the Orthodox Church, God Bless Nickolas Brother

[@Orthodoge]

Me too, this coming pascha will be my one year anniversary and I’m waiting to start catechism and be baptized

[@zealousideal]

Sebastian Lopez thanks. Glad to be here!

[@susansuewwilliams]

Thank you. The Lord bless, finally the true history of Orthodoxy and the world. As a convert to Orthodoxy in 2006 and a person who has a degree in history; to finally hear and read as an Orthodox the true history of the world is wonderful. Thank you Father

[@bobtaylor170]

@Leonardo's Truth , actually, we recovered Biblical Christianity for the world, by the grace of God. Thanks be to God!

[@Tsalagi978]

You do realize that there was no New Testament until about 400 years after Christ right? Technically you could say 700 years. The whole idea came about because of Marcion and his heresy. Biblical Christianity is an oxymoron as all Christians accept the bible. There was never faith alone and definitely not Scripture alone. The Church was founded on Christ as the cornerstone with the Apostles and Tanakh (Torah, Prophets, and Wisdom books of the Septuagint) as the foundation. The New Testament came a few hundred years latter. The Church read certain Epistles and writings of the Apostles and the early Martyrs but no Canon existed. The Church begat the Bible, not the Bible the Church.

[@Tsalagi978]

More incorrect nonsense by you. The Orthodox Church never said the Western Saints were heretical. Never. St. Augustine, St. Patrick, St. Hilda, St. Leo the Great are all honored in the East. Western theology took Augustine's view over St. Gregory, St. Basil, and St. John Chrysostom. That is all. You have a huge deficit in your theological education. Aquinas is not a Saint and neither is Anselm of Canterbury. Neither is Francis (though many honor him in the East) because Rome was no longer part of the Church after 1054 A.D. and Aquinas and Anselm had heretical views.

[@Tsalagi978]

Also the Oriental Orthodox and the Church of the East (Persian) were not Greek but hold to the same earliest teachings found in the first three Ecumenical Councils... as the Orthodox Church.

[@MegaRoFLL]

@@bobtaylor170 NO, YOU TWISTED IT TO FIT YOUR NEEDS AND NARRATIVE AND FEARS

[@d0g_0f_Christ0s]

Thank you for this upload. I'm a Protestant looking to the Orthodox Church for answers. How are we connected? Why is there disunity amongst God's children? Now is the time to call upon our Lord, our precious Saviour Jesus Christ, the Son of God, have mercy on us for our stiff-necked pride. We must lay it down, our Husband is coming, the world watches us and doesn't want God. We must love one another, we must love our Lord & God, WE MUST LOVE ONE ANOTHER, WE MUST! So that the world will know that God sent Jesus to reconcile His creation to Himself. Why can't we lay it down? Why can't we love. Thank you for this post, God bless & keep you Fr. Panayiotis Papageorgiou, thank you for speaking sense. Amen. All glory to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, forever & ever. Amen.

[@Robert-Herman]

Finally a discussion of the similarities, common ground, between the Orthodox Church and Protestantism. All too often we find presentations of the differences. I feel blessed to have found Fr. Panayiotis' speech. He is a fantastic speaker.

[@TheRealRealOK]

Robert-Herman Because the differences matter.

[@theTavis01]

@@TheRealRealOK Not when they are used to justify political divisions. Ahem Russia ahem

[@MosesMedinaE]

I am a confessional Lutheran looking into Orthodoxy

[@Trisagionfilms]

Thats wonderful! If you need any help please let us know. I can get you in contact with Fr. Panayioti as well. www.trisagionfilms.com/

[@TheB1nary]

I’m a reformed Baptist doing the same thing!

[@Orthodoge]

I’m a former evangelical Pentecostal Christian and I’ve been attending my local Greek Orthodox Church for about 9 months now and I’m hoping to start catechism soon

[@johnpearson5669]

Trisagionfilms Same here only I'm just coming out of The Roman Catholic Church as I'm completely disgusted with Rome and all of the scandals going on.

[@johnpearson5669]

Trisagionfilms I need help though on how to become a baptized Orthodox convert. P.S. I'm in the U.S. state of Michigan and our beloved country very badly needs the Traditional Orthodox Faith!

[@ontologicallysteve7765]

As a 20 year Protestant minister and writer (AKA: Ex-Heretic)---- and 2500+ books later... I studied my way out of Protestantism and into Orthodoxy. I'm in the beginning stages of the conversion process. To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant. That is, so long as you have the integrity and ability to forsake falsehoods that you've ignorantly accepted as truth. I didn't intend to be swayed by Orthodoxy, it just happened. This was a ten year process (that's still underway). You'd be hard pressed to objectively study church history and NOT end up converting to Orthodoxy. The only reason many don't, is because they fear the backlash (from family and fellow protestants). Either that, or they're too prideful to admit they've been wrong for so many years. As one who loves the truth, I have no problem admitting that I'm wrong. I like being right, therefore; I'm quick to admit when I'm wrong. So many people pridefully steep themselves in a falsehood that they flippantly refer to as "truth". At that point on, it becomes self deception. When your self-deluded preference (of how you prefer the truth to be) is fully embraced as truth...the actual truth will appear to be a self-deluded deception. To save face, many people will consciously remain in falsehood. This causes them to run headlong into a vast array of unconscious heresy. This causes me to quake...to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling. I'm humbled to the core of my being that the Lord has saved me from Protestantism. I see all of the little individual facets of Protestantism as being the daughters of the harlot (that Revelation speaks of). So many protestants feel superior because they're not Catholic. Little do they know they are mere portable expressions of their mother, the harlot. All of their pastors are mini-wannabe popes. I have such sympathy for those who have yet to come out of her. Many don't even know there's a third option (orthodoxy). Orthodoxy is the best kept secret in the west. In these last days, I hope that changes. I do believe I'm in a time of testing and temptation. Selling out to Protestantism can provide me A LOT of security (in my finances, ego and personal relevance). And, when money is involved, it's amazing what the human mind can pass off as "truth". The very thing I once accepted as truth, is now what I consider to be deception (according to the light that's been given unto me). It's this deception that has now become a temptation to return to...a deception that has the name of God upon it. It feels like I'm engaged in spiritual mind games (from the enemy). When all you once believed is required to be placed upon the altar of sacrifice: it'll then become apparent as to who it is you really serve. Thus my present attack from the forces of darkness. In all honesty (as painful as it is): I feel insurmountably blessed to have the Lord providing me such crystal clear distinctions within the lines of the sand that is my life. Now, it's up to me to decide what I'll do with the poignantly-distinctive conviction that's been etched and burnt upon my soul. Even though I know I have a free-will choice: there is only one choice I can make. I serve the Lord Jesus Christ from the depths of my conscience. Christ said to take up your cross and follow Him. But I never really thought that the practical application of fulfilling that decree would lead to an all-out forsaking of what I once clung to (so as to forsake the world). Yes, the forsaking of what isn't of God is the very thing that I once clung to AS God. This is what I meant by "spiritual mind games". It's painful-----------but it's glorious and beautiful just the same. Praise the Lord for the ever-increasing light that progressively reveals more and more of what's hidden in the dark. I thought that all that was hidden was already revealed. Not so! A Divine revealing/stripping is underway...and how humbling it is. I want to thank you for this video. It has been instrumental in the process described in the above paragraphs. I still struggle with a few of the tenants of Orthodoxy (mainly icons) but I'm willing to submit my understanding and interpretation to the authority of the church. I mean, what's the alternative? Yet more anarchy from the disaster that is Sola Scriptura? No. I just can't. I'm burnt out. I'll sacrifice my interpretation (that I used to mistake as "infallible-scripture") upon the altar of 2000 years worth of tradition before I'll EVER return to the failed experiment of Protestantism. With that said, if it wasn't for Justin Martyr's blatant rejection of images/icons, I wouldn't struggle with the late addition of iconography. If it was accepted at a much earlier date, I wouldn't have ANY trouble accepting it. If anyone can offer some instruction, I'm more than open.

[@Trisagionfilms]

Where in Justin martyr is there a rejection of Icons? He might have been referring to pagan idols... Many theological writings have been created to explain why icons are so important. Saint John of Damascus is one of the best examples of a master theologian who was a champion of explaining the importance of iconography and the place of icons in our church. Lets have a dialogue about this :)

[@blackbaron4774]

The first one to paint Holy Icons was Saint Luke the apostle and he did that with the blessing of the Most Holy Theotokos. His icons still exist in the monasteries of Holy Mount Athos. Despite that there are many miracles associated with Icons, not to mention streaming of Myrrh and so many healings after praying to the Saint depicted on the Holy Icon. On the other hand we can analize the behavior of original iconoclasts. It was clearly demonic and not christian, destroying Icons in rage and getting bewildered with anyone thinking otherwise. The Saints when being right, they spoke the truth bravely with heavenly zeal but never with rage, let alone that they killed someone. But the iconoclasts what did they do? They did completely otherwise. Were they right? Clearly not

[@prodigalsonofsuns]

Look for a documentary of the Serbian Orthodox Church called "The Icon". It's long and equally insightful, and it helped me imensely during my own journey back to the Church. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZvZkqNqftl3os0

[@nancyincanada5553]

Thank you for this teaching. Fascinating historical facts that I have never heard before. Regarding icons, as a former evangelical protestant, icons were considered "idols" and kissing them was considered "idol worship". Learning about Orthodoxy, a 'light' came on in my heart and it suddenly occurred that I kiss my deceased mother's photo and ask her to pray for me/help me. I don't worship her, she is not my idol, I respect and love her...and know she is with God and will help me. Being surrounded by staunch protestants, I cannot have icons in my home; but secretly I keep a book ("Wounded by Love") about Saint Prophyrios on my bed side table. That book has a photo of dear Saint Prophyrios. Every morning and night I kiss his photo and thank him for praying for me. @@Trisagionfilms

[@Trisagionfilms]

We are touched by this message of yours... we will pray for you always and hope that you find your way (if you haven't already) to the holy and Orthodox Church!

[@ragnarrthorsen2792]

The more I learn about the Orthodox church the stronger the call I feel away from Rome.

[@danielread5854]

Same here.

[@Abraham-yq2wz]

Why? Most of what he says is either nonsense, or bizarre oversimplification. For instance, the speaker states that the Orthodox rejected the rationalism of Aristotle (and Aquinas by extension), but they were still rational? That is complete nonsense. Reason is a gift of God and evidence of the eternal soul. All Aquinas offered to do was demonstrate that revelation was not and could not be unreasonable. “Orthodox mysticism” is fine insofar as it goes, and is welcomed under the umbrella of Roman Catholicism. But it does not offer the fullness of the faith. Catholicism often fails to utilize that fullness, but they are still on offer.

[@Veronica-up1zb]

Yo sentí el llamado por medio de oración pedí al Espíritu Santo encontrar ala iglesia que se ha mantenido desde el principio a Esmirna y a Filadelfia mencionas en Revelación a Juan Apóstol y fue en un momento crucial porque navegaba ala deriva pues había caído la venda de mis ojos al ver tanta maldad ocultada en Roma no solamente por lo que tenemos en la historia sino ahí dentro , donde no hay más que corrupcion e intereses vanos donde un sacerdote conspira en contra de otro , hermanos lo viví . Sucedió en Phoenix Az en la iglesia St . Antonio en fin no fui la única sucedió en plena clase para padrinos además estábamos pasando por un periodo en el que se destapó lo ocurrido con los sacerdotes pedastras y también lo sucedido con el cardenal Thomas O’Brien y como el Vaticano se vio a descubierto todo lo sabían y lo ocultaban .Dios Padre los reprenda por todo . Yo solo se que por medio de oración encontré la verdadera Fe , a un año ya de mi conversión seguimos mi esposo y mi hijo Aarón aprendiendo, dando gracias a Dios y a la comunidad Cristiana Ortodoxa que es un pilar importante para seguir en la Fe y Caridad como Jesús (Yahshua Hamashiaj) nos enseñó. Mi nombre es Verónica , saludos y que el Espíritu de Verdad habite en ustedes.

[@Gstrugglin]

Taste and see!

[@markrome9702]

I am just the opposite. The more I am grateful we have the papacy.

[@sometimesicryinthebasement5121]

I was a Protestant for almost my whole life, and I have not once found god in a Protestant church. In the Orthodox Church, however, is filled with the love and glory and grace of god.

[@GodsGreatest]

Please don't be deceived repent jesus is coming soon please be protestant

[@saenzperspectives]

Aballa Akway “A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF CHRISTIAN HISTORY Generally speaking, most Christians were all members of a single Church for roughly a thousand years from the time of Christ’s Resurrection from the dead until about the middle of the eleventh century. There were schisms here and there even from the time of the apostles, but with a few notable exceptions, there were no truly major competing Christian churches. Most Christians belonged to a single Church that traced its roots directly to, and whose leaders stood in a direct historical succession from, the apostles. They were focused in five great spiritual centers: Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem. These five great churches together were one Christian Church, and they shared the same dogma, the same beliefs, and the same spiritual life, without any changes in substance since the time of the apostles. These churches were led by bishops. Their worship life was liturgical, involving detailed, meaningful, and highly symbolic rituals whose sacraments were understood as truly conveying God’s grace to the believer. It was during this period, specifically in the late fourth century, that the canon of the New Testament came to be finalized, first written down by the bishop of Alexandria in the year 367, St. Athanasius the Great. That list from 367 is the earliest list of the twenty-seven books of the New Testament as we now know it. The Christian Church functioned for more than three hundred years without the ability to ask itself, “What does the Bible say?” In the eleventh century, issues that had been simmering for some time on the back burner between the churches of Rome and Constantinople came to a boil. Rome broke communion with Constantinople (meaning they could not receive the Eucharist together nor worship together), and then Constantinople returned the favor and broke communion with Rome. The primary matter at issue was whether Rome’s bishop, the Pope, should be considered the ruler of all bishops, rather than simply the most senior. Rome said yes, but Constantinople said no. Eventually, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem all clearly said no, too, so communion was also broken between them and Rome. From that time on, we can clearly see the independent formation of the Roman Catholic Church, with the Pope as its absolute head. The other churches that remained together and continued in the old way of seeing all bishops as essentially equal are now known as the Orthodox Church, sometimes also called the “Eastern Orthodox” or “Greek Orthodox” Church (“Greek Church” by itself was common in English writing prior to the twentieth century). Later, in the sixteenth century, an Augustinian monk in Germany by the name of Martin Luther famously protested against various abuses of the Roman Catholic Church, most especially the sale of indulgences to get believers out of purgatory, but also against the absolute authority of the Pope and some other matters. His publication in 1517 of ninety-five theses against the claims of the Pope was the moment that began the Protestant Reformation, a major break-up of Christianity in Western Europe. Within a generation, there came to be multiple Protestant factions, all at odds with each other, but all at least united in their conviction that Rome was wrong. Protestantism has continued to fracture in the five centuries since, and unlike the original Protestants, most now do not have bishops and do not worship liturgically with sacraments. Some estimates of the number of Protestant Christian denominations are as high as thirty thousand, though that number includes many single, independent congregations. Among them, you can find a bewildering array of different beliefs. And most of them claim to be “just going by the Bible.” Thus, over the past thousand years, there were two great fractures in Christian history, and Christians are now divided roughly into three general groupings: Orthodox Christianity, Roman Catholicism, and the many denominations of Protestantism.”-Fr. Stephen Andrew Damick, Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy kzbin.info/www/bejne/opKrlJqaeppog9E

[@mmaragou4128]

Please don't change your mind.Orthodox Christian is the only real religion because Jesus Crist is a real person two thousand and more years.Think how lucky you are that you find the real God and how bless you are 😇

[@abrahamdaniel1644]

Good

[@someguy9571]

Don't be deceived by the Protestants that will attempt to lead you away from the fullness of truth... in fact, as long as you know your stuff, there's a very low chance you will be, lol.

[@robertattaway3119]

Thank you for this teaching. I'm so glad brought me into His One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church. God brought me out of my confusion and pride to His Life and Truth. Glory to God!

[@KingMamojama]

Finding this 6 years later. Raised Mormon, became Christian, and I’ve gotten closer and closer to Orthodoxy every year. I think I’m almost home. I’m so pleased that Orthodoxy is available to me now, a westerner, seeing that even a hundred years ago it might not have been. I might not have even know about it. Thank you for these great resources brother.

[@selfwitness]

I'm very grateful for this video, and your other videos. I have been very inspired by the videos on Elder Paisios and Elder Porphyrios. It is the first time that I am considering becoming Orthodox. I would like to know more.

[@Trisagionfilms]

We thank God that our videos are able to reach and inspire people! May God guide you on the path to truth.

[@guspapadopoulos945]

Finally!!! The truth is spoken. Absolutely brilliant lecture on how eastern orthodoxy had nothing, absoletely nothing to do with the corruption and falsified twisting of Christianity. The east always remained true to all the nicean councils, and never changed their doctrine as the west did as a result of Aryan influence which l might say was totally condemned by the east.

[@mysteryandmeaning297]

Note the orthodox added thier own doctrines, beliefs in thier ecumenical councils. Including not supporting sola scriptural. Still there was twisting of the original teachings of apostles by adding to it. Sorry.

[@robertattaway3119]

@@mysteryandmeaning297, I'm fairly new to Orthodoxy and was received this year into the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church the Eastern Orthodox Church. I disagree with you that the Orthodox Church has twisted the teachings of the Apostles. The Holy Scriptures are part of the Holy Tradition. I would invite you to study this out. I myself went from Pentecostal/Evangelicalism to Lutheranism to Anglo-Catholicism. This was through prayer and study. The Orthodox Church goes back to the Apostles. Please investigate.

[@guspapadopoulos945]

@@robertattaway3119 You my friend are accurate and are witness to the truth. I did my own objective investigation on the early church fathers; and the history of early Christianity points to exactly what you said. Th heresy is quite evident in the west. Bless you and God live you.

[@gallowaythunderz]

@Michel Martinez Can you somehow point out to where in the New Testament that says that Peter was in Rome? Peter never set foot in Rome let alone buried there.

[@johnwick9165]

@Michel Martinez Pathetic comment.

[@susananastasiastavros1402]

God bless your words and teaching Fathater Panayiotis ..may we continue to honour our Lord Jesus, may we uphold his teachings as they were originally to us until He comes to take us home. This is His church, it speaks of His Glory. Amen

[@vadermasktruth]

I'm a Roman Catholic but I've been studying the Orthodox Church & Mount Athos for over 10 years now!

[@nazarenehebrewassembly8325]

I was Muslim, converted to Protestantism, transitioned into Hebraic Messianic beliefs but I have been greatly blessed and enriched by Orthodoxy and I want to return to the Ancient Church. May the Lord guide me in the process of converting to Orthodox Christianity. 🙏🏾 I need guidance.

[@Eraktab]

Im am a Baptist Protestant currently exploring Orthodoxy with interest in converting. Not too sure where to go to learn more (especially with all religious buildings being closed in my country - Canada)

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

Waroni Jay Dyer has hundreds of videos that go way into depth on Orthodox theology and the church fathers. Therealmedwhite is doing a series on Orthodox Church history from the beginning, he goes in depth as well. St John’s DC Russian Orthodox puts all its liturgy online as well in English. I’m in the same boat as you with the virus. Hopefully things will return to normal and we can both find a parish to attend. Good luck and God bless, hope you find the KZbin channels I mentioned helpful in the meantime.

[@henrik_worst_of_sinners]

Go to "Orthodox Christian" on discord. It is Dyer's server and very active.

[@MM-jh4cp]

Start with purchasing a Greek Orthodox Study Bible. It’s vital

[@crochethooksandbooks]

Google "Ancient Faith Radio Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy." That podcast will take you step by step and help you.

[@LadyMaria]

The Orthodox Ethos is a wonderful channel! Also Father Spyridon [Bailey]'s channel and Abbot Tryphon's channel! May God bless you. ☦

[@maryamm.1346]

I convert now from chatolic to orthodox church

[@Trisagionfilms]

If you have any questions or need any kind of help let us know!

[@diananoonen2262]

Welcome to the fold. Please do not hesitate to ask for any clarification or spiritual support. Love in Christ.

[@twotetah]

One if the greatest videos I've ever watched. Please pray for me, a sinner.

[@starofsalvation2685]

As a Canadian Protestant, I have spent many months inquiring about Orthodoxy and am now seeking to become a Catechumen. I began this journey after watching this channel, as well as watching individuals like Jay Dyer speak on his conversion and on heresies. Please pray for my reception that I might be grafted on, God willing.

[@Trisagionfilms]

We embrace you with open arms brother! May Christ lead you home to His Church

[@LadyMaria]

How is your journey now? May God bless you. ☦

[@cloverbird5785]

Dyer's wife does tarot

[@jg7923]

This is a great video to help Protestant / Evangelical Christians become Orthodox Christians.

[@Trisagionfilms]

We agree. Understanding the past helps us understand where we are now. that way many can understand why Orthodoxy is The Church of Christ

[@cuttlefisch]

Good and comprehensive overview.

[@GuitarJesse7]

Your testimony from 4 yrs ago resonates deeply with what I am going through today …though thankfully I became convinced before having to read thousands of books 😂

[@simsfish8728]

As an Orthodox Christian from the Middle East, my wish is that all Orthodox Christians unite. There must be a dialogue between the so called chalcedonian and non chalcedonian Orthodox churches. That will be a good start.

[@LadyMaria]

There are! It's a huge work in progress.

[@tallmikbcroft6937]

Thank you. I find this very interesting. Great presentation

[@czuw2967]

This was wonderful, thank you!

[@landonmeador2197]

I really tried to come to Christianity with an open mind and my "intuition." I've found that it aligns quite a bit with the Eastern Orthodox

[@CookInTech84]

While reading church history, this answered my question. Thanks!!!!

[@obmailafia]

The great Cambridge historian Herbert Butterfield, himself a Christian, taught that Providence has played a far greater role in history than we realise. I am a reformed evangelical who is increasingly drawn towards Eastern Orthodoxy. But what I am finding also is that the Orthodox, like the Jews, were not particularly interested in evangelism. The spread of Christianity to Latin America, East Asia and Africa had nothing to do with the Orthodox. So God knows why he allowed the Reformation, which, by the way, forced the Catholic Church to change in certain fundamental ways. What we need today is a new ecumenical spirit that will bring the body of Christ back together, as it was in the days of the Apostolic Fathers. Shalom!

[@Jupiter__001_]

The only reason they never spread the word to those regions is that the efforts to do so were generally colonial in nature. The Russian expansion into Siberia did see the spread of Orthodoxy to the native Siberians (to a certain extent). The Orthodox religion also spread to India and other Asian places. New World colonialism is really the only reason Western Christianity learned how to do missionary work effectively.

[@andys3035]

I think Orthodoxy was under Muslim persecution for so long that they were just fighting to live. It prevented any efforts at evangelism. Maybe I'm wrong?

[@pabloalvarez7510]

@@andys3035 Orthodox Christians had been struggling to survive since the begining. Romans, Persians, Arabs, Ottomans, and finaly, URSS. Nearly 2000 years of persecutions surely dont leave space for a lot of missions.

[@karenbartlett1307]

Really good presentation, thank you Father Panayiotis!

[@Trisagionfilms]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@fadista7063]

A wonderful lecture, thank you Fr. ⚘

[@Trisagionfilms]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@diananoonen2262]

Father, your ending on let's come together, get on the same page, so we are in union and communion together, create our foundation again together, only then we can examine the ideas the Protestant reformers struggled with. They too went through a persecution as great as the Eastern Orthodox, just from within. Satan will always want division amongst Christiandom. The sin of pride and control works hard in many hearts, I pray Christ will heal and unify according to His will always. I am so greatful to have heard these actually very peaceful and hopeful words. God Bless.

[@keshab9533]

This is very informative and helpful in my search for the true Church. I as well an from growing up in a cult to evangelicals/non denominational and find all lacking and some doctrine that were false. I lean towards Orthodox but apprehensive as I am a woman of color and don't know how I would be received. I know it doesn't matter but it's a part of reality.

[@Sendo664]

Orthodoxy isnt about colours. If someone within the orthodox church judge you because of your skin, he isnt an true christian. I hope you will find your way

[@LadyMaria]

Orthodoxy has never had a thing about race. That's a Western construct. So, just come on in and make yourself at home my dear! If you were here we'd love to have you join us. Get you some good coffee after Liturgy and food! May God bless you! ☦ 🌹 💗

[@cloverbird5785]

There are orthodox of all colors

[@whitway]

Jaroslav Pelikan is the example I am considering following as a Confessional Lutheran.

[@eyesee9715]

If you keep following Jaroslav Pelikan you may end up Orthodox as he did.

[@eyesee9715]

If you keep following Jaroslav Pelikan you may end up Orthodox as he did.

[@annalynn9325]

Fascinating lecture. I converted from protestant to orthodox ☦️

[@marionaziris398]

Great talk. Would liked to have heard some responses from the audience including questions though.

[@Trisagionfilms]

Unfortunately the audio for that doesn't exist. I am glad you enjoyed the lecture! :)

[@murraywatson9238]

I love listening to this guy, he reminds me of my (greek orthodox) priest :3

[@diannaburchard6849]

Thank you watchmen on the wall! Truth JESUS} His Church His Bride.

[@lizmonard]

That was a great talk, and if what all you said was true, I’d convert tomorrow. I’m catholic, and believe in the primacy of the seat of Peter, and the filioque, and purgatory, so they are great obstacles… anyway, I’ll continue with my research. I actually believed we were incredibly close to our orthodox brethren, I didn’t realise you disliked us so much 😢. My sister was married to a Greek Orthodox man ( she is now deceased) and I know she considered converting, but she held her Roman catholic faith till she died, kids were all baptised orthodox, and honestly, I just thought it was the filioque and the Pope that were the cause of division, I’ve never heard about any of those other things, and even if they were true, I’d be lying if I said I didn’t know we have had (have) troublesome popes … We have amazing saints, miracles and Jesus and Marian Apparitions, so I know God is with us too.

[@petervandolah5322]

Magnificent presentation, so good ...

[@wyattfuchs6839]

God bless. I am an Orthodox inquirer, and feel as though my heart has already converted yet I have not. I am patiently waiting for my wife to see eye to eye on this whole new perspective from protestantism. Pray for us. And I am curious is there any way to get the notes that are mentioned through out the presentation? Thank you again, and God bless.

[@rexremedy1733]

This i an ingenious video! I will save this excellent document. It is worth saving.

[@eastwestcoastkid]

Thank you for posting this presentation and paper by FR. Panayiotis Papageorgiou on the relationship between orthodoxy and protestantism. i would be interested in the response to this paper, especially the statement about charlemagne being the one who made the roman catholic church, the roman catholic church. would a church historian in the west agree with that point. i suspect that there would be some dispute on this. that said, this does give an insight into the theological views within orthodoxy, and certainly that is a great service, for i for one, have to read more about my brothers and sisters in the east, and understand the beauty of orthodox theology. i have been to a russian orthodox church three times, each time on easter, and everytime, been blessed.

[@TheHopeofIsraelWorldwide]

Thank You

[@CK-ub7jf]

Wow! Now it all comes together.

[@peterknelsen]

What most people don't realise about the reformation is that it was not just one man called Luther that started it but was a movement that began hundreds of years before he even came on the scene and is still moveing toward what is considered Orthodox or Early Church teaching. I dont think that we will be home when we convert to Eastern Orthodoxy but will still be in battle against false teaching within the Church because that is what it does best. There will always be false doctrine within and without because there has always bin,being Orthodox does not change this. The teaching of the Church being able to keep the doctrine of the Church without error is a false teaching as well.

[@davidnewsome1974]

I've basically been Arminian for almost 30 years of my Christian life. Starting towards the end of 2019 I started studying scripture more intently, mostly to refute Augustinian Calvaniatic philosophy. I've slowly come to realize that saints are chosen "In Him" before the foundation of the world, basically for service (to be Holy and blameless before Him) and bot chosen for salvation unilaterally nor according to Gods foreknowledge of those who would trust in Christ. I've recently been engulfed in studying scripture and watching videos in trying to get out of the brainwashed idea I've always had of the western idea of original sin and total depravity. I'm still struggling with this concept, it seems as though I'm in an extreme minority. I've just recently found videos like this and may not agree with everything, but I'm learning. Does anyone have any other recommended videos / books? From an almost totally former Western Prostestant Arminian lol Thanks

[@kthomas3280]

David go to a Divine Liturgy……it’s transformative. Take your time in your journey though!

[@Mason_O]

How’s your study 2 years later

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[@jordantsak7683]

Calvin says in his ''Institutes'' that the Greeks made great concessions to human pride and they flattered it so they keep them, the people, in the faith. It's a well documented and analysed fact that the arminian/wesleyan theology and the greek orthodox one share common anthropological and soteriological beliefs and this is also admitted in this video.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

Linus I'm curious did the very early church after Christ and the apostles have a liturgy transubstantiation or priests? the bible gives no indication of this. Their hope wasn't in tradition it was in Christ crucified. They knew that salvation was a miracle God achieved. Not tradition or ritual. Tradition is not bad but is it saving? I think you would agree it does not. Isnt it true God alone saves by His power working in humanity through spiritual means?

[@krishyyfan5153]

show me a PRotestant bible thumper in the 2nd or 3rd century??....Early christians who were persecuted clearly believe in the Eucharist, bishops , priests and deacons... 1) St. Ignatius of Antioch, 110 A.D. 2) sT. Clement of Rome, 90 A.D. 3) St. Ireneus of Lyon, 180 A.D. 4) ST. Dionysius of Corinth 171 A.D.

[@Tsalagi978]

For once you are actually 100% correct on something. There's hope for you yet lol

[@weeperman6659]

There is a great deal of pride going on in Protestant circles, make no mistake. The doctrine of "Sola Scriptura" has opened a Pandora's box of evil; when everyone can not just read the bible for themselves but are also free to (mis)interpret it, the resulting chaos is inevitable. MEANING IS EVERYTHING. Without the guidance of properly qualified leadership, PEOPLE ARE BOUND TO GET IT WRONG. This climate produces rotten fruit- murder, adultery, greed, and all manner of evil is now being justified by bible texts quoted by the ignorant, who read the bible BUT DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS.

[@chadholder7474]

Krishyy Fan just because one dies for their belief doesn’t make their belief right/correct. Many Germans died for Nazism, many Italians died for fascism, many Muslims died for Muhammad, and many Russians died for Marxism. Does martyrdom for a belief somehow validate said belief?

[@paulwilliams9207]

God bless Father Panayiotis, God bless orthodoxy! Pray to the Holy mother for many conversions to orthodoxy. 💙☦️💙☦️💙☦️☦️💙☦️💙☦️💙 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@guyfromtheeast3196]

Reformers: “The Catholic Church is corrupt and the Papacy is wrong!” Eastern Orthodoxy: “Nawwwwwww ya’think?” Reformers: “Quiet you!”

[@Ioannikios174]

Not exactly how it went but still hilarious!😂

[@orthodoxrocks9644]

I get it I get it! 🤣

[@JimmyLee-s2k]

You got my.money! I'm now! I was looking for The Sand and the Rock writer, and your blessedness got clicked. God bless you! It's sad where rationalism has taken the West. 😢

[@JimmyLee-s2k]

Fooey, my lost/replacement Visa is in the mail, I promise $12 patreon donation when it arrives.. in appreciation for the news update 1,000 years arriving😢😂

[@apolloorao4110]

That is the way forward .. preach the gospel to the whole world as commanded by our Lord God Jesus Christ son of God. God bless Orthodox church.

[@jdkayak7868]

This is a great video, I'd like to know your opinion on the Methodist church's doctrine being mostly formulated in orthodox theology? John Wesley was famous for rejecting augustine, perhaps if the world wasn't so separated at the time he would havespread Orthodoxy to the west and America?

[@Trisagionfilms]

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[@truckdriver8416]

Whether that was the case at the time with Wesley I assure you the Methodist church today is a pit of Satan

[@gfunkie66]

Very good. God bless you Fr.

[@bethvirginiaphillips4583]

If you can get your hands on a little booklet by Chrystomos H. Stratman, written in the 1920s please do so. It is out of print but I have found it on out of the way sites on the Internet. He explains about the branch theory in Protestantism, and how many sects claim a connection to the true church, but are in error. It converted me on the spot from Protestantism. Anything written by this man is very easy to read and he lays it all out for those searching for the truth of Orthodoxy.

[@LittleBrotherSeymour]

Whooh and John Wesley pops up. Undoubtedly one of the most significant figures in protestant church history. Someone whose life we need to study.

[@donaldjoestartrump915]

This was a very educational breakdown of the differences and similarities between the Protestant and Orthodox Churches. My views haven’t changed from Southern Baptist but I think I understand why so many other Protestant churches are getting infiltrated and taken over by cults whereas the Orthodox seem more organized.

[@nickosc88]

Very interesting. Thankyou for posting! East-West dialogue has been a deep passion and interest of mine for some time. Schaeffer's son converted to Orthodoxy - disillusioned with empty religiosity that experienced at home. I currently lean evangelical, but with a desire to accept elements of mysticism and synthesize the traditions.

[@ontologicallysteve7765]

Were you referring to Francis Schaffer's son? If so, that would be amazing. When I was eyeballs deep in Protestantism, Francis Schaefer was one of the main teachers in my rolodex of preachers. He had an excellent, "big picture" grasp on church history, the enlightmeht and the Renaissance. His Calvinism was nauseating, but he was truly an intellectually gifted man.

[@martentrudeau6948]

By the grace of God I have been a bible believer for last 50 plus years, It's His grace and my faith that saves me, and my faith has and will produce goods works in my life. -- I'm US born and raised Roman Catholic, but I left that church in my teenage years. Since then, I have been to many kinds of Protestant churches and even a Latin Mass Roman Catholic church. It seems to me they all have their their differences in their theologies. Some I agree with and others I don't. Jesus Christ is my Apostle and High Priest of my profession. I can come boldly unto the throne of grace, that I may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. God is good!

[@swenner64]

As a protestant, I embrace the Orthodox as brothers and individual Roman Catholics. There is a lot that I can't buy into culturally like Kissing Icon and I am bothered by some of the symbols of the Eastern Church. I do not see why it is beneficial to kiss an Icon. Nor do I see why you have any better Christianity that I have as a protestant. I have Jesus the Christ and that is all that matters. "He who has the Son has life"

[@nikosr265]

Look at it this way brother. Protestantism and Catholicism contains seeds of the truth, only Orthodoxy holds the fullness of the truth. Protestantism is a hot dog, and Orthodoxy is filet mignon haha. That Biblical Canon you use, do you know who codified and edited it? The Orthodox Church. The Bible came from the Church, and not the other way around. Do you kiss your family? Your mother, father, wife? The Saints are our spiritual family, and they are all alive in Christ, that is why we venerate their icons. I think it's self explanatory why we venerate icons of Christ haha.

[@TheRealRealOK]

Jonathan Williams No, the Bible isn’t a Quran. The Church decides the canon. You’re getting your information From a bad source.

[@zealousideal]

Steven, As an Ex Evangelical minister and Pastor, I was once where u are and even much more!! I was the most hard core ANTI catholic/ Orthodox on earth. I preached against it as the Great Whore of Babylon type thing. That is, ...UNTIL I found out the truth for myself. Funny how God works. Now I’m here trying to convert others like u who haven’t been enlightened yet. All I ask of you is this... if for some reason you don’t ever convert to the True Church, at least don’t attack her and judge others. God is bigger and greater than man made theologies. God speed on your journey as well.

[@Schöpf_at]

@@zealousideal Congrats man! Not saying that we Catholics agree 100% with Eastern Orthodoxy, but we're happy enough that they're not Prots.. But however I know some Prots who are genuinely love the Lord without having bad intentions to those who also love the Lord & still honor the Blessed Mother & the Saints, such as the Anglicans (Pp. Benedict XVI made a visit to their church once). Problem is with those, that some of us believe to be the infiltrators, who want nothing but to destroy Christendom from within by any means necessary. Besides Jesus Himself was taking tradition seriously (Baptism, fasting, offerings) otherwise the lineage of God's people (that NOT exclusively bound to the Israelites) will be gone, I'm guessing that's what those dang "christians" want lol.

[@NT-ih7ex]

@@zealousideal Why did you assume the Protestant Christians here are trying to attack the Orthodox Church? We are trying to understand why it is important to kiss the icons or pray to Mary and other saints.

[@t-rizzle0509]

I was recently baptized and joined the Orthodox Church, and doing so has ruffled some feathers in my family. I have a 7th Day Adventist relative who believes I’m in error and in the wrong church; he believes that I’m following the white man’s religion and that I should adhere to the Hebrew Israelite teachings. Due to my own research, I don’t think the Hebrew Israelites correct because none of them can account for Church history, particularly the Ecumenical Councils and the authority figures responsible for establishing the canon of Scripture.

[@luvall293]

St. Francis of Assisi protested against the crusaders and now today st. Francis is a Catholic Saint...

[@jamesbabinski1305]

I love this video !!!

[@PETERJOHN101]

I was raised Protestant, and did not know the Eastern Church existed. My journey into understanding was a very long one. I know now that Christianity cannot be reformed, any more than Christ can be reformed.

[@LadyMaria]

Glory to God! ☦

[@lalonguecarabine4952]

Hello brothers! I'm wondering if someone can clarify? He mentions that the concept of "bargain and ransom" atonement was an "obscure druidic" idea that came from the west, yet it seems to be a central tenet in the recapitulation theory that I thought was the main atonement doctrine of EO. Can someone explain?

[@Trisagionfilms]

La Longue Carabine you may want to watch the videos by Fr. Panayiotis on Atonement and the Early Church's understanding of Salvation. See here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpfJpYyhg5WEf5Y. See also here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpDFoKyIlN-Vmqc

[@peregrino1655]

Excelente aula! Fantástica!

[@eldermillennial8330]

I’ve heard that using unleavened bread in the Western Eucharist actually began as a tragic sort of accident and the “Passover” rationale was only later retroactively applied to it to further ‘justify’ the change. What seems to have actually happened was that several Gaulish bishops became very concerned with finding better ways to prevent the Sacred Host from being so crumbly, and thus eliminate the risk of the slightest particle falling down. Spoons were not used in the west because many dioceses were initially too poor to acquire one, just barely having enough to afford a simple chalice. In some communities, the only gold they ever saw was the Cup of Christ. They increasingly did without the Spoon until it became a traditional Western norm to this day. However, that means the Flesh can’t be soaked in His Blood to prevent crumbling, as the Eastern Rites do, and scooping It up with his fingers is unseemly and risks sacred Blood spatter. So, two methods have been used: Dip the dry Flesh in the Blood one Piece at a time, having shaped them carefully beforehand where every crumb can be accounted for, and administer the still half dry Flesh that way: OR Feed Them Both in separate mouthfuls. Sadly, that latter became dominant and had higher risk of a blasphemous mess. So, to make the Sacred Host less crumbly, someone, probably a priest with experience baking ordinary bread, got the idea to add LESS yeast to the Sacramental bread. Not none, not at first, over a few generations, they added less and less, all to prevent crumbling. The “Passover Meal” rationalization was added later so they wouldn’t have to admit they’d made a mistake. It’s easier to fool people, including yourself, then it is to make them admit they’ve been fools.

[@truckdriver8416]

Total nonsense because the West was always concerned about every little crumb, never the East till this day. Jesus at the Last Supper did not have unleavened bread any more than he had a piece of lamb to eat. It was by decree a new covenant not the practicing of the old. You're welcome

[@ownpetard8379]

The Greek word (the New Testament was written in Greek) used would be written as "artos" in English. Artos is common bread, leavened bread. In Greek there is another (perhaps 2 other words) word for unleavened bread. So there is no question that the Last Supper was instituted with common, leavened bread. As to what you say here, it seems far-fetched. More likely is how Fr. Panayiotis said it. The Latins had no knowledge of Greek (or not enough; also no understanding of the Jewish practices at that time) and they made a false assumption as to what was done in Jesus' time. That is far more likely than avoiding crumbs. Besides, there can be crumbs with unleavened bread, too.

[@jacobthomas6620]

There is a strong Orthodox Church in India 💠🏥💒

[@mandyvatougios2447]

Brilliant!!!! Amen

[@KunchangLeeMusic]

This is so informative thank you

[@Trisagionfilms]

Glad it was helpful!

[@rail_bender5205]

Excellent scholarship. This video covers many topics over time. Many of which could be a basis for further dissertation. Well done Father Panayioti.

[@owenrose2227]

Only the truth shall set u free "!!!😇

[@drew1784]

Enjoyable lecture

[@peevee605]

My life was getting harder to the point where I found the Orthodox Church and left the non-working protestantism/charismatic church. Now I'm home.

[@kaybrown4010]

IC XC NIKA! +

[@gabriel_jahseh231]

Amin

[@paulwilliams9207]

Amin 🙏

[@cyberp0et]

Great video.

[@netochidozie5528]

sir can you provide the sources of your lectures like books ,web sites

[@acekoala457]

I am glad I walked into St. Demetrius that day. It changed my life so much that I want to be a better man.

[@pabloalvarez7510]

Excelent lecture, very informative. Is there are some notes or document about this? I want to translate them to spanish, to show my friends and family, because Ft. Panayiotis is so clear to undersand, but sadly none of them knows english. Thank you Trisagion Films.

[@Trisagionfilms]

Here is the lecture in PDF form: www.dropbox.com/sh/sjxhsm0loeo6z6h/AACVY0fnqYiz65QxDvP1KLD8a?dl=0 I have also added it to the video description, not sure why it wasn't there to begin with.

[@pabloalvarez7510]

@@Trisagionfilms Thank you so much!!!

[@drew1784]

On board with most Orthodox practices. Intercession from the saints is probably the biggest obstacle to me pursuing it further. If there was an orthodox church without intercession then let me know

[@Trisagionfilms]

But, I still think that you should call upon all your friends who are already in Heaven to intercede for you.

[@johnpaulhumphrey2981]

Intercession kept me back for a long time. (And you will not find an Orthodox church without intercession, because it would then be a heterodox church.) Here is how my mind was slowly changed. I don't expect to change your mind, it takes time. But perhaps God will reveal it further. If intercession is wrong it is wrong for either of two reasons: 1. It doesn't work. 2. It works, but is sinful (one mediator, etc.) If it is the second possibility it raises the question, why is it OK to ask your friends on earth to pray for you. ("Confess your faults one to another and pray for one another" for example) but not ask your friends in heaven? I think a lot of the reaction comes from the Roman Catholic notion of "treasury of merit" The first point was my main issue. The saints in heaven seemed different than those on earth. They were "dead" (in my view at the time) and while still being alive in Christ, they were somehow distant in another world, and kind of tuned out of this world. It was because I thought that the purpose of life was to get to heaven. Once you got there you didn't care about those on earth and didn't care if you ever saw them again. I would have never put it that way, but that is what it boiled down to for me. I really hope my protestant brethren don't believe that. Here is what changed my mind. People have entertained angels unawares, so we know that angels can be in our lives. I already believed we have a guardian angel, and at least one person was promised, "He shall give his angels charge over you.. lest at any time you dash your foot against a stone." So if one accepts that angels can observe us and do something. And if we accept that they behold the face of God, as Jesus says, then we have an example of beings who can communicate with God and observe us. Since they can observe us, it is possible to communicate with them, and it isn't inherently sinful to do so, otherwise God wouldn't have sent an angel to Mary to get her consent to bear God in the flesh. Mary talks to the Angel, and the Angel doesn't rebuke her at all. So we know it isn't inherently sinful to communicate with angels, and it is quite possible to do so. So would you believe there is anything wrong with asking your Guardian angel to pray for you? Obviously a monologue can only go so far, and your concern may lie in this point. But suppose we are comfortable with our guardian angels praying for us, then all that is left is the saints. Hebrews assures us that we have not come to a shaking mountain but to "thousands of angels in joyful assembly, and to *the souls of righteous made perfect*" (emphasis mine) The angels have already been mentioned, so who are these souls made perfect? If it isn't saints I don't know what it is. We *have come* to this. So it is reasonable to assume that these saints are actually present (at least at certain times), especially if Christians have believed it for cetnruies and proved it's effectiveness by their lives. These have been made perfect. I assume that they have been made perfect in love. IF that is so, and God is perfect in love (which I hope we all can agree on as God is love) and God is not willing that any should perish, and there is much rejoicing in heaven over a repentant sinner. Then I hope we can agree that the saints love us and want us to be saved. If we can communicate with them like angels, if they are present, then why wouldn't we ask them to pray for us? OK, that was my long line of reasoning. I was still uncomfortable. But I got to a point where I was so convinced of the truth of Orthodoxy, that I asked anyway. I said something along the line of, "God if by asking your servants to pray for me I am in sin, please forgive me." and then simply asked a saint to pray for me. There was no fire from heaven. and neither was there a transcendental experience that changed my life. I didn't need that. Others though have had experiences. There is simply too much data to ignore. We have miracles even in the present day that are connected with the intercession of the saints. To deny it, you have to use the same arguments that athiests use to deny the resurrection. The thing that really changed it was when I went to a vespers (evening prayer) service. When I saw the eikons of the saints (which aren't magical objects or idols) and the priest said, "with all the saints let us commend ourselves and each other and all our life unto Christ our God" I realized that the saints are in fact present, worshiping with us, and being perfected are happy to pray for us who aren't quite there (or like me a lot further than that) I am now on the path to Orthodoxy. I am not Orthodox, don't take any of my arguments as standard Orthodox arguments, unless you talk with a priest. I just am sharing what helped me change my mind. *TL:DR;* If you are uncomfortable asking for prayers, ask for mercy and give it a try. If possible attend prayer services.

[@CH3353N1NJ45]

@@Trisagionfilms At the tail end of 2021, I had a mate of mine pray for me. That led me to picking up my cross after a good decade or so to do the same for him. The only friend in Heaven any reprobate needs is Jesus Christ. He is our intermediary. Anyone who places anyone or anything else above God the Father, God the Son or God the Holy Spirit is breaking the first 2 commandments. The only way around that is to repent.

[@bostahome]

Great licture Love and respect From Your Coptic brother in Christ Please don't call me a hertic there are no monophsites in the world I m quoting Greek monk from Saint Gregory Palams in Ohio not that we ever were May God have mercy on us all and open the doors of his faithful churches

[@LadyMaria]

May God bless you. ☦

[@suigeneris2663]

Great lecture and reveals why converts think so differently.