Pythagoras - the Mystic Philosopher from Ancient Greece

[@granthagen3207]

According to Laertius, "Don't stir a fire with a knife" is meant symbolically as "Don't provoke powerful men," not literally.

[@SolomonsCave]

I didn't know about that particular interpretation, but I'm not surprised. Many ancient sages left behind strange sayings that later readers interpreted in a symbolic or metaphorical way.

[@makeittrades5750]

I just stated taking a physiology class, though I've read some books about metaphysics. It was't until now that it struck me the genius of Pythagoras so I decided to learn more about him. This video has helped tremendously. You've earned a new fan!

[@firaskabbani5324]

you didnt talk about his Cosmology and how he puts the fire in the center of the kosmos and added new counter earth Hearth

[@PraetorClaudius]

There’s a story that Nietzsche saw a man beating a horse and was really upset by it too.

[@jaroddavid5933]

Upset for a different reason though

[@abeerk354]

@Wells Martin bot huh

[@zelkovas]

Thank you for that! I am studying Pre-Socratic Philosophy and I was really struggling to understand Pythagoras thought, maybe because I am really bad at math. Your video helped a lot!

[@ΑπόλλωνΘηρευτής]

Just a little correction in Greek. Akousmatikoi / mathematikoi = akousmatikee / mathematikee (the stress in e because "οί" is a diphtong (one letter) - oi is always ee not o-ee) when we want to say o-ee we use solvents (οϊ) but never at the end of the word. Thanks for the lesson.

[@brynejosava1499]

Thank you for this. It was so easy to understand with this video ♥

[@AlphaGeminorum1]

According to ontological mathematics the entire universe not only can be described with numbers, the universe IS maths. It's simply our evolved senses that can't detect it. Our senses evolved for survival, not to detect the background maths at the center of this endless hologram.

[@Saaraayee]

Thanks a zillion! This has been the best about Pythagoras! 💖💖💖

[@codswallop321]

This was excellent, thank you

[@sv443]

very well made and well structured! Great job

[@nicv278]

Thank you for making it interesting! 🙇

[@berenicekahoun5416]

just earned a new fan

[@Soledoubt]

Let others praise thee and you stay quiet and humble in spirit

[@sivlee8909]

Watching this video gave me convincing reasons to love maths and see how it builds up earth. Thanks!! 🙏🌎

[@gopals1055]

What about Pythagorus many other inventions where he cured mystical virus spread, Decoding entire space etc ?

[@SolomonsCave]

Can you point me to a source for that? It sounds very interesting, but could also be a fictional story about him.

[@gopals1055]

@@SolomonsCave It’s certainly not fictional. Pythagorus is an enlightened soul, we, the Hindus considered him as a ‘Sage’. In our tradition of Vedas, Sages played very vital role in the implementation of human life principles. I have been reading about Pythagorus and able to relate him to our Yogis or Sages. One of our Hindu Master Ekkirala Krishnamacharya (Master EK) did research about Pythagorus and narrated about his teachings in the book ‘www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Pythagoras-Master-K/dp/8190694960 ‘. It’s recorded in the book how Pythagoras controlled the mysterious pandemic by invoking cosmic consciousness. Madam Blavatsky too recorded about Pythagoras. I strongly believe Pythagoras surely mastered the ‘Kundalini’ through which he got all powers.

[@pong1111]

great video. need in school works, form philippines

[@soggytoez3057]

So now we gotta figure out who Pythagoras reincarnated as

[@reddedlv1168]

rasputin

[@spiritjuwel7495]

Let's do the math

[@marka.denham6858]

My life changed radically when I became 42 years old. Not sure what the significance is with 42 though still.

[@SolomonsCave]

It's a reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. A satirical science fiction series.

[@Rico-Suave_]

Watched all of it 14:17

[@travelbug123]

Hey, it wasn't just Pythagoras; my Chinese doctor diagnosed me with damp heat and prescribed foods to counter this condition. It works!!!

[@SolomonsCave]

Though my opinion of Chinese traditional medicine isn't the highest, there may very well be a lot of practical knowledge there that I can respect. That doesn't mean that the way they phrase their diagnosis is particularly scientific or accurate.

[@travelbug123]

@@SolomonsCave Merely find it interesting that Pythagoreans & Chinese, with the tech available to them, shared some observations. The discoveries could have been independent, or perhaps they were aware of one another and testing the same ideas. As for today, any Chinese doctor worth her salt will tell you that their method helps with only certain conditions and should be combined with Western medicine if dealing with illness. Hey, thank you for putting out some excellent videos on esoteric topics. I am following closely. RNL

[@lilianaprina5991]

I love and respect his ideas about theorems and everything is math because is true.

[@BobaTeaABG]

This channel is so nice

[@ResistanceIsUseless9669]

Love the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy reference

[@cactos5070]

Wait if 2 was female and 3 was male, and he thinks that male and female are opposites, does that mean that 2 is opposite to 3???

[@Pitusha]

So that means that Pythagoras knew the answer to life, the universe and everything all along... No wonder he founded a cult

[@caynereed8988]

The meaning of life is not belonging to a group of people. If that is what you're implying

[@bebeezra]

Thank you.

[@yangshen5540]

At 7:41, when he says, "maybe a lesbian marriage?"....WTF????

[@matthewkopp2391]

I would argue for five: Pythagoras, Thales, Parimendes, Empedocles, and Heraclitus. I am assuming that you will leave Heraclitus out. But Heraclitus becomes the necessary counter balance that is underdeveloped in Greek and thereby Western Philosophy. Why? Serveral concepts the first is that of becoming that things are in a constant state of change. The idea that we never step in the same river twice. The second is anentiodromia that the road uphill is the same as the road downhill. This is a necessary idea to understand that the phenomenon of things are viewed as object of experience from different perspectives. And the seemingly opposite perspective completes our understanding of a phenomenon. This understanding can be seen in Husserl when he wants to discuss "things themselves" but it also can be found in physics when discussing whether light is particle or wave. Both ideas give USA better picture as to what something is. This can easily be understood as one of the limits of rational thinking. Or rational bias splits the phenomenon into is and isn't. But the isn't can often help us understand what we are trying to understand. One of the problems with the Pythagorean line of thought all the way to Plato, is it tends to concretize things in certainties in regards to ideal concepts. The other idea that is important is the unity of opposites that can be found in anentiodromia. Because Heraclitus was ignored by the Platonists is how we tend to have extreme one-sidedness in religion which has been translated into onesideness in other areas like civil law, or concept in science and psychology. To prove this propose the idea to a Christian fundamentalist that Jesus and Satan are one. They will go crazy. But the very concept is actually in religious literature but very de-emphasized. Or as I mentioned the Einstein one-sided debates in physics. I would argue these philosophical prejudices are all over science. The irony is that Heraclitus was then called "the Obscurer" and today similar ideas are immediately called Obscurantism. But these concepts themselves create a more complete and less biased science. Because science tends to have confirmation biases. Wanting to confirm and affirm a particular picture rather than a more complete picture with less Dogma. I remember reading that in Ancient times there was a man who invented a tuning system I think a 12 tone system, and when he presented his discovery he was stoned to death. Because the system violated a Pythagorean harmonic idealism. This is the problem science and innovation will always face. A new dogma will immediately create a prejudice. Heraclitus's ideas obviously come from Empedocles, and being we know so little of Empedocles it might very well be what Empedocles was really teaching.

[@SolomonsCave]

I had originally planned to have Heraclitus be the fourth, not Empedocles, precisely because he's the anti-Parmenides. If I ever have time for this again...

[@innosanto]

There is no way Heraclitus would be out. But Anaximader would also be in and Parmenides.

[@DouwedeJong]

why did you stop doing videos?

[@SolomonsCave]

Busy :( But I haven't forgotten!

[@Vagabund92]

His Metaphysics are pretty much identical with schools modern Hinduism. He didn't got this from Egypt, it's rather a common indo-european believe that was still around europe at that time.

[@miladka1484]

I was studying Aristotle Metaphisycs book but somehow ,It's first season was vague ,but this video made it clear,thanks

[@SolomonsCave]

Glad to hear. Aristotle indeed didn't start from scratch, but continued a long conversation. Therefore I generally don't recommend starting with Aristotle, which is why I started with Thales.

[@helenbostock2350]

Useful to hear about a fan us man.

[@speculesgorgoth4055]

There should be a movie about Him

[@masonstolle4116]

Great video, can you post a reference to where you got the information from in this video?

[@SolomonsCave]

I can recommend some popular-level books to start with, including The Philosophy Book, the Very Short Introduction to the pre-socratics. Online sources include the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy and the The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy (IEP) which can be easily googled. I've also drawn from various video lectures and courses (some of which I don't remember where I first found them), and material I've used in the classroom (notes, powerpoints made or inherited from my predecessor, etc.) Hope that helps.

[@andrewwilliams1857]

10:17 volume warning!

[@jurijsrjabokons7509]

Thanks.

[@jamesbrowne6351]

Perhaps Douglas Adams was a reincarnate of Pythagoras.

[@aristocrat_000G]

barely scratched the surface~

[@josecastellanos4538]

Amazing

[@Bnailling]

Very good video!

[@DJNightz]

One of My Mentors 🌙

[@joedirt8653]

Interesting he treats numbers the same way as astrologers treat the stars .They take myths of hero's who represent an ideal or concept that is associated with a time of year where the Constellation. I would be shocked if pathagerius wasn't obsessed with astrology since they do try to explain mathematics of astrology as logical path to predicting the future like seasons solar lunar eclipses and even historical

[@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr]

The knowledge was passed down to astrologers from Pythagoras....

[@pablowoods9886]

Geat video

[@ronwalker4849]

WHAT NUMBER DIDPYTHAGORAS ASCRIBE TO HOMOSEXUALS OR PEDERASTS? AN ACCEPTED PART OF GREEK SOCIETY.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

From everything I've read Pythagoras was cool with the Tyrant of Samos however, it's more like he went to Italy to spread his Totalitarians ideology. The religious Pythagoreanism wasn't just random arbitrary rules, it was also the first moral Philosophy to argue that Sex is ONLY for Reproduction and so things like two people of the same Sex having Sex is inherently immoral and should be forbidden. The Bible doesn't actually teach anything like that, this way of thinking become part of The Church of the early Greek Christians being highly influenced by later forms of Platonism which all mingled Platonism with Pythagoreanism.

[@sophiaangelini4368]

Fantastic lecture- thank you.I was once in Samos. Transmigration?

[@SolomonsCave]

With a name that could mean "Angel of Wisdom", the chances of that are increasing :P

[@vasukinagabhushan]

Soul living after death and rebirth of the soul is a common Indian idea, rather than an Egyptian idea.

[@SolomonsCave]

It seems pretty common in both cultures, but of the two, there is a higher likelihood of Pythagoras having access to Egyptian ideas than Indian ones.

[@dasharab]

@@SolomonsCave Indians and greek are the students egypt is master teacher

[@thli8472]

Was it that women have two legs and men have three?

[@gns956]

Why did he consider the females "uneven" if they were the number 2?

[@SolomonsCave]

Good observation! And I don't know. Mystic beliefs aren't always logically consistent, that's all I can tell you for now.

[@geliccat]

I thought pythagoras associated even numbers as good and odd numbers as evil

[@pallabidutta968]

That literally makes more sense. Because even speaks of balance or justice.

[@danfield6030]

That is a ridiculous dualism !! Pythagoreans were NOT dualists.

[@danfield6030]

Absolutely FALSE.

[@cccc7350]

Great video. Just be careful about the "oi" in akousmatikoi (and mathematikoi). It should be read like "ee" in bee. Just saying...

[@SolomonsCave]

Thanks, that might be helpful for native English speakers to know. In my case, I learned Greek in a Dutch university and the pronunciation conventions there, hence the discrepancy. Regardless, I'll always put the Greek script on screen in case my pronunciation is confusing anyone :)

[@levinb1]

@@SolomonsCave Greek, at a Dutch Uni, while writing and speaking in English as the Lingua Franca.... Me Gusta.

[@SolomonsCave]

@@levinb1 De nada.

[@agurciajack]

Oh so you must be so sort of expert in ancient greek pronunciación, gringo bruto claramente no sabes nada.

[@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69]

So in playing music it's also all numbers. Rhythm is time, it brings order out of chaos, without time all you'd get is chaos. Music is both Alpha and Omega sotospeak. Why did Jesus have 12 deciples because 13 encompasses the octave it's CHRomatic or Christ 1/1 so technically there is no 13 13 is a ghost number. J+C=13.

[@botanicagravez]

Wow

[@Nocturnalpainter]

The fact that 666 people liked this video confirms it all. he saw it in the numbers

[@SolomonsCave]

Ahhh, you caught me :P

[@songyiworld]

wow......

[@Loots1]

hericlitus and parmenides, ill wait for nothing

[@pennywisesings8494]

Thank you! Very interesting .

[@alexdetrojan4534]

Pythagoras seems to have been mad. 🤔

[@Itreallyaint]

Pythagoras got all his knowledge from egypt.

[@innosanto]

Spme of it. He trained there, but alot of things he said are not found else where. The idea of re incarnation however probably came from there. And the triplets were known and then he made theory and proof etc. And many of his beliefs are distinct from Egyptian one.

[@reallyanother1]

⁠@@innosantophilosophy actually has its beginning roots in Ancient Kemet. Also Greeks got a lot of knowledge from Africans. Did you know Zeus goes to Ethiopia to charge up? Look it up can’t make it up.

[@neureaper479]

5:40 I feel a sudden rise of Angry feminists

[@gammondinosaur3411]

Pity. Switched off after "math".

[@JohnBallJohn]

Everything is described by numbers......well a .jpeg image or perhaps your youtube video is in fact a sequence of "Zero" and "one" ? 10 ??? 110000011000111100001101010001...LOL

[@EvilPreston]

jFC

[@raycosmic9019]

Potential = Being Actual = Becoming (actualized) Number = Law of Equivalence Ratio = Optimum The rhythm of Life is a movement and a rest. The optimum (Heaven) is always found somewhere between the extremes of too much and two little (hell).

[@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69]

Let me get this straight they brought reason to western thought but were superstitious themselves. Yeah I don't by that. Either they were reasonable or superstitious.

[@C.Mustard]

#JFC #MacJay

[@mooondraws]

Pythagoras is somewhat sexist

[@SolomonsCave]

Yup, lots of these guys were. Socrates shooed away his wife prior to his execution because he thought her crying was too annoying.

[@jaroddavid5933]

Bro you are funny but you gotta work on your delivery to make your jokes funnier

[@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess]

When you say Turkey you mean Anatolia

[@SolomonsCave]

Yes. I usually try to say "modern-day Turkey", or "Türkiye" as is the new preferred spelling in English.