Big Air Kite Review 12 - Harlem Thrive & Lead Bar

[@rubensbrazilianbrothers]

Another exceptional review! It’s quite a treat to have someone who has tried most if not all of the best kites in the market right now and is able to eloquently describe their differences and similarities!! I can totally see how the reviews are getting better with time as you have more references and can easily adapt to new kites. Thank you for all your work, I am sure these take a long time to make.

[@jasonofmontreal]

Thanks mate, they are quite a lot of work, but the hardest part is finding the wind sometimes 😉

[@Neverwaker]

Thanks 4 another great kite review - love that soothing voice and relaxed soundtrack. The drone footage is also phenomenal - great job of sharing those beautiful spots u r privileged 2 ride 👍🏼

[@jasonofmontreal]

thanks mate

[@AlkisSpiliopoulos]

nice one m8. looking forward to the PACE review now :P

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@AlkisSpiliopoulos pray for us to get more wind and I’ll get back to it 😂

[@collegepros]

Another amazing review! I won’t buy another tube kite until I see one of your reviews. I have 2 light wind Aluula OR Flites that are the best light wind kites I’ve ever owned. Once you go Aluula, it’s hard to go back to Dacron. They’re just too expensive. We need it produced in economies of scale to lower the price. I’m looking forward to seeing your review of the new d-lab Rebel. It looks like they finally figured out the stitching issue. And 10psi! I’m sure the next version of the d-lab EVO will be impressive! I was impressed with your review of the Slingshot Code NXT, and would consider that for purchase as well. I look forward to your year end review! I’m not sure if you reviewed the new North ‘25 Orbits yet. Cheers!

[@jasonofmontreal]

Thanks for the feedback. I've unfortunately only had 2 proper 9m wind days in all of sept... so I have some kites waiting to be reviewed... the full '25 Orbit range are some of them

[@andrzej351]

Hi. What exactly are your OR Flite kites? Best regards.

[@collegepros]

@@andrzej351 Ocean Rodeo Aluula Flite kite. The Flite was the name of their light wind specific kite line. Ocean Rodeo invented Aluula. Then they made a whole new company called Aluula Composites, which ironically, owns Ocean Rodeo. Aluula Composites became a large public company with bigger aspirations than making kites, so Ocean Rodeo, which was around for over 20 years, is no longer in business, sadly. Probably more info than you wanted.

[@olegta4581]

Don't expect a good next-generation d-lab EVO! The designer has left the company! On the podcast, he said that they would no longer have his design!

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@olegta4581 yes, he’s doing his own manufacturing and design now with his company brainchild (link in description)

[@Alexomator]

Great review as always! It's funny you've mentioned doubles with a 6 at the end. I was out on my 8m Thrive 2 days ago and after looping once at roughly 10m high I was thinking: mhm ... another one maybe? 😂

[@jasonofmontreal]

I'd wager even a moderate rider could double an 8m if they went for a very high angled with a good high jump and fine line tension... but high risk if that second one gets any slack ;)

[@Alexomator]

@@jasonofmontreal Absolute true. If the lines slack, the rider slams. ;)

[@gnorweb7339]

Really useful review, it is excellent that you can reference the other kites so clearly for comparison and put them all into a spectrum or context. The footage was also mesmerising, incredible kiting, compliments to the drone pilot also.

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@gnorweb7339 thanks mate

[@southernskip]

There's that soothing voice the missus loves!! Great review with some very interesting tech. When Pace PRO?

[@jasonofmontreal]

Good question!

[@tizzleberg]

The best reviews out there! If i remember correctly in the earlier videos you used to say which kite you would choose in which size 8,9,10, ... if money wasnt an issue. That would be really interesting to hear now with all the kites you have ridden since. :)

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@tizzleberg I’ll definitely do that again in end of year wrap up, I did mention in the end of the video I’m still happy with my dlab quiver after a year, but part of that is also because money is a factor and their resale value is very poor where I live

[@tizzleberg]

@@jasonofmontreal Oh and it would be interesting to hear how your dlab quiver is holding up in terms of durability after a year. Have they lost any performance or are there any obvioius wear points like the trailing edge etc?

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@tizzleberg nothing out the ordinary… I still fly my 10m more than all other kites combined, had a 4 hour session it on the other day

[@ImpossibleOne]

Great review mate. As a heavy guy a low end chat or a score at the end would be great to see I need all the power out of each m2. Love the videos and keenly waiting the up coming reviews. Hope you get the wind down there you’ve been after !

[@jasonofmontreal]

Unfortunately It’s very hard to score low end as it’s even more guess work than power and I’m not usually riding these kites in lighter conditions given I’m reviewing 9’s… usually the boosting score will give you the best indication of overall power I’d say

[@ImpossibleOne]

@@jasonofmontreal yeah I did not think of using that as a measure. Thanks again for all the reviews. Always looking forward to what is coming next.

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@ImpossibleOne it’s not always the case, some kites tend come alive in over 35, bit don’t have great low end… but light 3 strut combined with boosting power is usually a good indication

[@pascalruego]

Jason, amazing video as usual. Perfect tips and details explained… thanks 💪 😊

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@pascalruego thanks mate

[@jenokuper]

Thanks for this review Jason, great as usual! I was on the fence which of my evo dlabs 9 or 10 i would change to the thrive for easier and quicker loop variation progression. Sounds like 10m thrive it is. While keeping the 9m dlab for better boosting and agressive loops for the stuff i am already comfortable with in higher winds. Cheers 🤙

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@jenokuper no worries…

[@nelsonaubry-wurfer1280]

Thanks Jason, great review ! The lightness of the kite is interesting, but I find the lack of reinforcements on the trailing edge quite concerning, I guess time will tell how well they hold up.

[@jasonofmontreal]

I do get asked often about durability... but unfortunately I don't get to hang onto most of the gear very long so it's super hard to say...

[@KristianKlaveness]

Great review 🤙 looking forward to the Core review 😊

[@jasonofmontreal]

thanks

[@KiteKrazKev]

Need help trying to decide from harlem thrive and evo dlab in the 12m size. Picking from better hangtime higher jumps and the dlab which helps for board off variations and the wind range on the dlab seems incredible. On the other hand the thrive is faster and maybe could practice kitwloops tricks on it which I've never really tried on a 12m but not sure if I could really get into it on a 12 but u said it's that good for loops. Wonder how the wind range is too on the thrive 12m. Tried my friends dlab the other day and I was kinda blown away so now I gota have one lol just trying to decide which kite

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@KiteKrazKev I personally prefer the dlab… the thrive probably my second fav kite in that size though… you’re winning either way. In a 12m loops are more a novelty really, so I prefer the added hantime and low end bonus

[@gabrielg1001]

Love your reviews!! What would you recommend for progression with loops - thrive / evo dlab / vortex aluula?

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@gabrielg1001 as in progression into loops, or getting them bigger, adding rotations etc? What level are you you currently? What are the conditions you ride in too.

[@jaimesmole1514]

Nice review man, you have to review the eleveigth XS PRO, we want to know the improvements of eleveigth on that new aluula kite

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@jaimesmole1514 it’s one I’d like to get to at some point, there’s a great shop down in Wellington who have offered to lend me a demo when I have the time, and wind

[@davidchitayat438]

Love the videos! Thank you for doing them. As an intermediate kiter wanting to start powered kite loops (very comfortable with Heliloops). would you recommend the Thrive over the EVO DLAB? I have a gap in my EVO SLS quiver and was thinking to get a 9m. but not sure if I wanted to take the risk on this over the dlab version.

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@davidchitayat438 I think so, it’s got a very soft and friendly loop

[@davidchitayat438]

@@jasonofmontreal thanks! What do you think of using my click bar on the Thrive?

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@davidchitayat438 it’ll be fine… Harlem do recommend their bar of course, but it’s close enough… personally I do prefer the Harlem bar to click bar but I think they’re lose enough to be interchangeable

[@viktorshvets9914]

What do you mean by 4m at least for a safe kite loop? I looped my 2021 orbit 10m on 1-2 meters and it caught me

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@viktorshvets9914 I mean the recommended minimum safe height for a powered kiteloop

[@mitchelkennethsonius353]

Jason what would be your choice for an 8 m normal priced kite (dacron orbit pro)

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@mitchelkennethsonius353 I’ve not tried any dakron 8m kites in 2 years sadly… perhaps Rebel SLS or Fkysurfer Era

[@mitchelkennethsonius353]

​@@jasonofmontrealthank you

[@paul-ericlifrange1618]

Looking for a one kite quiver for me and my girlfriend - do you think the Thrive is a good pick? We like to do surf / big air/ Freeride

[@jasonofmontreal]

Probably one of the better all around kites for all of that... but perhaps it depends a little bit on your level, the conditions you get etc. Overall it's a great choice for both of you, although as I mentioned in the review, the smaller sizes are pretty fast so take some getting used to\

[@radium56]

Excellent work! Thanks!

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@radium56 no problem

[@ride_the_wind]

I noticed that you're also sometimes riding the Atmos instead of the Atmos Pro, do you like it? Cohan was also riding it in the Cold Hawaii comp :)

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@ride_the_wind that’s not an atmos, that’s my 145 trace (light wind board)

[@mikemiller774]

What about the bar, since high V, is Duotone bar compatible with Thrive? Great review, thank you!

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@mikemiller774 yes it is, I’m now swapped to using the Harlem bar with my duotone kites

[@mikemiller774]

@@jasonofmontreal It's hard to be nit-picky, but since duotone lines have 3 positions for spreader (compatibility with older models): did you measure like with harlem, is it the exact length as modern duotone past that spreader? I guess there is a reason why duotone is so specific about it. Thank you.

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@mikemiller774 I didn’t measure, feels fine

[@belledetector]

Hi Jason, great review. I have watched quite a few of your reviews, and find them very good. I am missing one thing though. I think you should throw some graphics over the video with stats, particularly when you do comparative analysis, alternatively in a closeout comment. This was missed in your board comparison video and your 2 part big air kite review, where it became a bit difficult to find the red thread. Those two videos, also imo belonged together in one video (even if that would make it a long one. An idea could be to make a scoring matrix, and update it at the end of the video, with the latest reviewed kite... What do you think?

[@jasonofmontreal]

Great suggestions, thanks. Because the first video I did was just for fun, I came up with the basic scoring system I still use, and each season I sort of look at it like you can take a point or a half point off the last years... so basically all the scores need a refreshing at some point... but... I am not exactly so good with video editing and graphics as you can see already, and these videos take me a really long time already given it's a hobby I don't get paid for, which is why I haven't done anything to update the system... I was planning to update the ratings somehow, and do a year end summary with my end of year video if I can find the time, so hopefully something better coming soon!

[@kimsrensen6884]

Awesome review as always, Jason💪😃🏄‍♂️ You fly the 2024 rebel sls in the video. Is it very different to the 2023 rebel sls you reviewed some time back?

[@jasonofmontreal]

I rode them a year apart so it’s very hard to say… the 24 felt heavier on the bar and slower to be honest… but it’s probably the opposite because I was comparing the 2023 to my old orbits and xr7… vs now I’m riding only newer, faster stuff. Hopefully I’ll be comparing the new rebels soon

[@kimsrensen6884]

@@jasonofmontreal Thanks mate😃🏄‍♂️

[@markus_pu]

Oh, thanks, I’ve been waiting for this. For the price, it seems to be a good alternative to the Aluula kites.

[@jasonofmontreal]

They're fun kites

[@Baptiste_L]

Great review (as usual). Harlem in his video for the Thrive saya that this kite is for everyone, from the complete beginner, intermediate rider to the Pro rider. Do you agree with this statement? Do you think a school could use the Thrive to teach kiting ? Is it suitable for the average rider (freeride, jump and simple tricks, NO loop) ?

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@Baptiste_L I’m not really reviewing beginner kites so I don’t have much grounds for comparison. As I mentioned in the video, in larger sizes it’s easier to ride for most levels, but it is a very fast kite so in smaller sizes it’s might be challenging to get the hang of for beginners

[@Baptiste_L]

@jasonofmontreal thanks for your feedback. I'm really considering buying a quiver of Thrive but I have not your level and in size 8m and smaller, it might be too fast to enjoy simple freeriding. Keep going with your great job!!!!!

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@Baptiste_L As I mentioned, the 10 and up sizes are still fairly easy for anyone, so you could get something like a standard Duotone Evo for your 8m (great to learn on), then thrive size 10 and 12 for example. They can all use the same bar with this combination!

[@sanderpsychologie]

Nice again Jason!

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@sanderpsychologie thanks

[@MB-cc3vd]

Just found your video reviews and loving them! I ride 8/10/12 Reach. Progressing on loops and lower looping tricks (BRKL, boogies). I'm looking to update my 12m to something a bit boostier & more hangtime: main goal is to learn and clean up rotations, board offs, etc so that I can take them to the smaller kites. If you had to pick one 12m kite, which would it be for that? Seems like Evo DLAB is still king?

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@MB-cc3vd if I was picking one, yes. But I would add that I’d only want duotone gear if there was a local store… when I’ve had some warranty issues, because we don’t have a shop in my city I had to wait a few months to get replacement parts

[@MB-cc3vd]

@@jasonofmontreal thank you! Do you think the dlab evo flies so differently than the reach that it will be challenging switching between my kite sizes? Also looking to update the 8m/10m sizes to maybe 8m/10m or a 9m NXT. Appreciate your expertise on this!

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@MB-cc3vd it does fly very differently but probably won’t be too much of a problem with a 12m, that size is very manageable with any kite.

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@MB-cc3vd these kites are all very different, I highly recommend you trying them first before you buy

[@olegta4581]

Great review!!! You need to consider opening a store! since you don't have most of the brand dealers!!!

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@olegta4581 I think if it became a job I might not enjoy it as much 😂

[@psxmax]

Hello Jason, do you think the Thrive could be suited for a beginner? I've just been autonomous and will be looking to buy a quiver. Due to the high wind range of those kites, could me quiver be 6 / 9 / 12, and not 6 / 8 / 10 ? Thanks!

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@psxmax they are fairly user friendly for all levels but also very fast so they’ll definitely take some getting used to. Given they pair with duotone gear, a standard Evo might be an easier kite to use in 6/7/8 because it’s going to be slower. In possibly 9, and certainly 10 and up the thrive will be a lot easier to get your timing with in the early stages

[@psxmax]

@ Good to know, thanks! So they could be used with a Duotone click bar? The would be great. And does it make sense to you to get a qui et with 3 square meter gap between the kites or should I stick to 2 meters gap?

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@psxmax it depends on your size and the conditions where you are... my smallest kite is an 8m, but my Wife is only 55kg so she has a 5 and 7, and rides the 7 most of the time. Smaller kites can be a bit tricky to get used to, usually 8/9/10 are a bit easier to get going on for most people.

[@psxmax]

I’m 56kg so… I guess I need a 6 / 8 / 10. Thanks for the tips!

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@psxmax what winds do you usually get where you’re planning to ride?

[@tabadiiiiii]

Great review as always, thank you! Which is the most similar kite to the evo d/lab from the ones you have tested? I love the d/lab performance but the quality is a real issue in my view so i'm looking to switch.

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@tabadiiiiii nothing I’ve tried matches its overall performance but a lot of kites are easier to use. Although they are quite different and have less power, this kite, the vortex, or NXT get fairly close I’d say.

[@tabadiiiiii]

Thank you Jason! Much appreciated. 🙏

[@Alexomator]

I don´t know if you´re going to read this or not, but I´ll give it a try anyways. I wanted to ask you on how to jump higher and your view on the several factors. I´ve been stuck at a max of 15m with my normal Orbit. But I´ve worked my technique, worked on the take-off, worked on the drive towards the take-off, worked my legs. Once I´ve gotten my Thrives something made me go to 18m and since then when I´m out I can go for 15m jumps regularily and not every blue moon anymore. But I fear that this effect is coming from the kite and not my own progression. I know the Thrive is super user friendly, it makes things easier, at least for me. It provides the confidence to push yourself. Maybe this ease of use gives my technique enough space to take a bigger effect. Sadly kickers are no option here and come by only every once in a year. So take-offs have to be in the flat. From video footage I can see areas of improvement, I see things I can work on the pre take-off, the take-off, the kite steering. But they look minor. I cannot identify something big, something that directly gives you 25% more height. I don´t want to believe that going from my 18m to 30m is the last 5% of improvement. I´ve also found that stronger winds with bigger kites doesn´t necessarily mean greater heights. Some people (not to say kids ...) seem to do things naturally perfect. I don´t mind working on things, but due to the lack of detailed information available on this it feels like throwing things on the wall and see what sticks. The systematic approach seems to be missing here and most people I ask just answer with: "I just do it. I don´t know." Could you maybe make a video regarding your own experience on how to get, let´s say from 10m to 20m or even higher? Thanks in advance for at least (hopefully) reading this :) PS: Maybe I just need to finally get a North Atmos ...

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@Alexomator the reality is you can only improve as much as the conditions allow it… so first off it would help to know what kind of winds you ride in, and are there many other local riders going a lot higher? Also, have you watched content from ‘get high with Mike’ on jumping higher? That’s another great resource…

[@Alexomator]

@@jasonofmontreal I´ve watched Mikes content and other great sources like Alex from Kitesurf College or Steven Akkersdijk. Yet this seems to mostly cover up the up to 10m stuff, followed by: for greater heights, you need greater winds and smaller kites. And that´s it xD Two days ago I´ve been out to 30 knots gusting 40. Checking Surfr for this quite well known spot (Kegnaes Drejet) for the day I was #1, but I´m well aware that most people around here still use Woo and had at least two guys putting up the same heights as I do. There is this kid around here, Noah, that day he was out on his 6 Pace, I was on my 8 Thrive. Okay, I´m a fun sized chunky piece of person and far off from being 16 again. I was going higher then he was on that day. But on other days he gets out, puts in 25m+ and I have no clue how he does that. There are some other guys around doing stuff like this too. Some session, out of nowhere ... 20m+ and I´m just confussed, because I fail to do the same without knowing the reasons behind. Maybe I cannot harness sufficient power of the kite before take-off. Maybe I don´t get the lucky gust. I´m quite well aware that there is no wonder potion that will heal it all but there must be something more then: don´t loose your line tension when riding in, carve and jump into the wind, take-off when kite is before 12, bigger winds make you go higher.

[@kitespotameland6319]

Thanks! ❤ please compare the thrive with the pace pro

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@kitespotameland6319 when we get some wind it’s one of the next few coming ip

[@Rgm1202]

If you could spoil the orbit - orbit pro 2025 review, do you still think the orbit classic is the best option for progression and confidence building overall?

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@Rgm1202 I’ve not tried the 2025 yet, we’ve only had a few 9m days in the last couple months sadly, so they were spent with this thrive and the trying to film the core pace

[@Rgm1202]

@@jasonofmontreal urgh :I here it's been windy almost every day :/ I wish there was a little more in there as well, that review really interests me a lot...

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@Rgm1202 Wellington always is… but it’s an 8 hour drive or $4-500 return flight so we usually only do it for woo worlds 😂

[@jasonofmontreal]

The orbit classic will be super similar to the last ones I’m sure, and imo still one of the best options for loop and big air progression

[@issambres]

Thanks for this great review! My concern for Harlem kites is that we dont haver that much feedback on durability… I will wait to see what the 2 years kite look like 😅. I am also very interested with you Core Pace review since I have it since June (8m size) alongside my Dlabs (9&12). I hope you can compare it also in 12m size since I am considering replacing my 12 Dlab with the Core Pace IF the Pace has the same power and low end capacity…

[@jasonofmontreal]

I only have access to a 9m Pace that I can borrow from a local rider I'm afraid... from what I could tell, it doesn't have the same low end or power as the dlab... but faster loops... but I need a lot more time on it to do a proper review.

[@issambres]

@@jasonofmontreal that is my feeling as well… that is also why I will keep my 9dlab that I intended to sell 😂. That is a shame since i feel build quality of Core is superior…

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@issambres they do seem to be very durable

[@dajobra]

@@issambres I agree, core quality is real.

[@issambres]

@@dajobra I remain cautious about their aluula kites since eldest is my XR Pro which is 1 year old only. What failed on my Dlabs was stitching on the 9 ( but very little and easy to repair ) and bladders were replaced on both kites by thicker ones as i understood …

[@dajobra]

Hey Jason, Your edeting and writing skills progressed, nice work buddy! This Thrive seems to just zip up on auto-pilot after every loop. I guess the big thing is line tension after the first loop, the more you have left the easier the catch or second loop. Very interesting to see all the kites looping while you point out the differences, I can very much see what you mean. Looking forward to the pace and sensor4 pro review. I have the normal sensor4 and I really like it. One more thing, How about a new testing item, How does it fly with one hand on the bar?

[@jasonofmontreal]

Thanks for the suggestion, I will keep that in mind actually... I would have to say off top of my head... biggest factors with one handed riding are bar pressure (not so good with Core unfortunately), and responsiveness of kite in relation to bar pressure.

[@dajobra]

@@jasonofmontreal All the board off tricks are with one hand on the bar, so that makes it relevant I think

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@dajobra for sure

[@ozii560]

Amazing video! Another one! So is the thrive best start kite for looping ? 😎

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@ozii560 it’s up there as one of the best, buy can also depend a little on your current level, size, the conditions you have etc. as I said in the video, it might just be the best in size 10 and up at least

[@ozii560]

@@jasonofmontreal between ultra and thrive which one is friendlier?😅

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@ozii560 thrive

[@manolander231]

Hey Jason what kite has the most jank of the north orbit ultra and Harlem thrive?

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@manolander231 ultra

[@fer9-g3e]

Thanks for the review. The big question is... How does it sound? Many people describe it as a helicopter sound.

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@fer9-g3e I didn’t really notice to be honest, perhaps you can’t tell when you’re riding 🤷

[@paolo404]

offtopic question, what kind of watch do you use? thanks!

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@paolo404 Apple Watch 7 or 9

[@pawel-goscicki]

Really wondering what you would say about the Dice SLS :D

[@jasonofmontreal]

Unfortunately, I've never even seen one actually. We don’t have any Duotone shops where I live so you don’t see too many of them around

[@pawel-goscicki]

@@jasonofmontreal it has become less and less popular these days. Still a great kite, imo.

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@pawel-goscicki I used to own a 10/12 in 2018… the 10 was one of the first kites I learnt to loop on

[@PlanB_Hodl]

Looks like that the 1000 bucks more on allula is not worth it 👌🏻. Order placed. Great review

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@PlanB_Hodl haha, worth is relative I guess

[@dajobra]

I run in to the Harlem guy's this morning and the Thrive looks awesome on the beach, great gift to yourself

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@dajobra they are very easy, and pretty cool to spot out on the water

[@AdrianKerr]

Another great Video

[@jasonofmontreal]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@jasonofmontreal]

Cheers mate 🥂

[@matthewmoir8627]

love the reviews but are you from MTL?

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@matthewmoir8627 I was born there, I’m from New Zealand

[@matthewmoir8627]

@jasonofmontreal dude you sound canadian AF

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@matthewmoir8627 yeah I lived there until 1992

[@mathesotto2987]

would love to se a comparison to the pace pro

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@mathesotto2987 hopefully we get some decent wind soon so I can ride it a bit more

[@FLIPADO34]

As progressive rider in looping the thrive 9m gave me confidence to loop it blindly in light wind - it catches you all the times even in 3/4m and facilitate the trust building getting higher. Very nice feed back!

[@jasonofmontreal]

Nice to hear, glad it's helping you progress with confidence!

[@psxmax]

I think it averages around 10 -25 kts, storms let aside.

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@psxmax in that wind range I’d be on a 10/12/15, so you might like 8/10/12

[@psxmax]

Thanks!

[@giorgio4660]

🎉

[@jasonofmontreal]

🍇

[@LukaPlest]

Good review but i think u are in a wrong on the end when u talk about 40 50 knots and 9m kite..i know u can handle it but simply 9m cant work properly in that much wind.. alula kites can hold its shape longer but still if u doing review in 40+ knots then u could take 7 or 8m kites and saving instabilitiy of the kite..i belive u know this but u didnt mention..but yeah its a 3 strut kite without alula..i expect it wont be that stiff Ps: im riding duotone not harlem:D

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@LukaPlest I’m not sure quite what you mean, I did say that aluula kites held their shape better?

[@LukaPlest]

@@jasonofmontreal you did but you said it was 40 knots so i think 9m kites doesnt work properly anymore in 40kt specialy 3 strut non alula kites..so u said that the kite loosens its shape (and i think its normal for 9m and 40kt) but u could mentioned that it was mybe too much wind for 9m and thatwith 8m or 7m u probably wont have this problem..just my opinion and im not defending harlem kites but i still understood this comment as a weak point of harlem

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@LukaPlest I think you've misunderstood me. I wasn't riding the 9 in constant 40 knots, but the wind range was getting up to 40 knots or so.

[@immunity18]

Jason It's North Macedonia

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@immunity18 What is sorry?

[@immunity18]

@@jasonofmontreal The manufacturer. Manufacturer is in North Madeconia not in Macedonia

[@jasonofmontreal]

@@immunity18 gotcha, I was unaware of the name change 😂

[@THESHOOTINGIDIOTS]

I like your reviews of all kites but it makes me wonder about the. brain child kites. is it the the pro welding. or just the design of the kites. there is no comparison between them. welded vs stitching. . I mean Ralf is a great designer in an interview he once said that the welding. proces at duotone was already there. but. it had no benefits. over sticking (podcast with intriguing beings )

[@jasonofmontreal]

My guess is that it’s a combination of all of the above