Big Bikes = Big Problems: 100 miles of adventure on the White Rim Trail

[@dave32173]

your lugging the hell out of that bike!! you need to keep your RPM's up, stay focused, stay smooth.

[@thesouringgentleman]

Exactly! Big bikes take bigger momentum. Taking the technicals at half speed is much harder to ride than good momentum, and smooth clutch/throttle hands.

[@Ghostrider-71]

Agreed, bigger bikes need more speed……but if the rider goes down, that speed isn’t helpful at all. Lol.

[@jubjubs]

Yeah, as i was editing the video i was definitely noticing how much i was lugging it. I'm gonna work on doing more clutch work in the future. Thankfully the bike has mountains of torque, but i don't wanna get in the habit of using it as a crutch.

[@thesouringgentleman]

@@jubjubs I wouldn’t say it’s a crutch. The torque is there because the extra weight is there. You’d be using it as intended. Hope you keep at it.

[@elindenstein]

This was awesome to watch. I had a Super T for several years and didn't try anything near this gnarly - you killed it. Well done!

[@jubjubs]

The Super T is simultaneously the best bike and the worst bike at almost everything and I love it.

[@rodneybutler7939]

GREAT VIDEO !!!

[@ken503]

White Rim is no joke especially on a big bike! I rode a good part of it in 2023 on my Africa Twin and really enjoyed it. The ride is challenging and the scenery is unbelievable. Unfortunately I couldn't complete the whole loop because of flooding along the Green River. The campsites at Hardscrabble Bottom were reported to be under about 3 ft. of water. I'd love to ride it again but next time I think I'll take my DRZ!

[@jubjubs]

That must have been the flooding i heard about. They had to redo/repair a bunch of the road down there. I think that's why the sand was extra bad.

[@jeanwilkinson3080]

Wow, that was one great, epic adventure. I am tired just watching!! Glad all made it home safely.

[@jubjubs]

It was definitely a tough one but worth every mile!

[@earlebaker2440]

You just talked me out of getting an adventure bike, keeping my KLX300 to do these rides. Highway speed isn’t great but I can pick it up if it falls and never had any problems like you did making these climbs like that.

[@jubjubs]

Yeah, the big adventure bikes are much more at home on highway or fireroads. This bike primarily is used for riding 2 up with luggage with my wife on road trips. It was fun in a masochistic sort of way to get it out and really push it and myself to our limits.

[@PA-Tammy]

T700 is just as easy to ride as your KLX. Also remember skill have more to do with riding then the bike. I loved my XT1200

[@brentswartzentruber5565]

That's not an adventure bike. That's a sport touring bike dressed to look like an adventure bike. A T700 or Aprilia Tuareg 660 is 90% as good on the road and 90% better off-road. I was on the WR in Oct and the sand/silt was much worse. And btw....a lightweight dual sport would feel boring on the WR, but of course the landscape is amazing either way.

[@andrewm190E]

​@@brentswartzentruber5565I agree He has about 10% of the skill required to ride that huge bike off road.

[@JacobAnawalt]

Beautiful ride. Awesome job on the trail repair and finishing it! I'm glad you had a great friend along to help out. Best of luck in the future!

[@jubjubs]

Thanks :D Everyone needs a motorcycle buddy or few

[@mostlybroadbandbandit]

Props to you for doing a real adventure :) Also huge props for taking a super tenere through that - being one of the more road biased ADV's, and being known for being topheavy, all of what you did there was impressive. I did notice your tire choice - a solid knobby style front will help out quite a bit through terrain like that as well. Personal favorite for that type of riding was the Bridgestone battleax AX41's. Awesome video though.

[@jubjubs]

Yeah, different front rubber would have potentially saved me at least one of the falls. I'm glad i at least got the chunky rear put on before the trip or i'd have been turbo stuck haha.

[@joelwatson3045]

As the old saying goes, " I don't believe I would have told (or shown) that story!" You are very lucky to get our of there without serious injury. When you stated that, "you can't ride this stuff without eventually going down", I couldn't believe it. I rode the entire WRT with 6 other old guys a while back when the trails were not a good as what you were on. We were all in our late 60's or 70's and, besides one flat tire, we had no drops. Of course we had a lot of offroad experience and the largest bike we had was a 690 cc weighing about 330 lbs. While your ride makes for a good video, please don't keep riding trails like this without a lot more training, experience and the right bikes. Glad you are both OK.

[@cac2244]

This is why this year i will keep my KLR650 for dirt roads and I bought a KLX300 to get deeper with lighter bike.

[@yurart]

I have Super Tenere 2015. Didn't read any comments before writing my own in order to exclude bias. Sand Riding I tried to ride in sand and I can say for sure that you should go faster in sand to get more stability. Or very slow to be able to step on the ground if needed. The most important thing here is speed and not trying to handle too much with your handlebar. More with feet by moving your mass from one peg to another. I hate sand. Sometimes it's need to ride through the sand in full load (bike + me + 40-50 kg of load) and it's a separate kind of adventure 🙂 Revs I also noticed that your revs were too low in some cases. Sometimes I feel that you almost stall the bike. And I guess you either need to speed up a bit or lower the gear. Of course, it's hard to say to which angle you're going up the hill because of the camera. Angles are quite steep, I guess. Cases About the cases (panniers). I bought Givi frame with Givi tracker panniers. And I've dropped the bike several times quite hard on the unpaved roads like yours and nothing bended, not the frame, not panniers, nothing. It seems It's so thick that it's hard to bend. Engine protection It's good that you've tested the engine protection. Now we see what can happen (15:14) 🙂 Thanks for the video, it was nice to see the bike on the unpaved roads. Nature is beautiful indeed.

[@270sardean]

You have lots of comments, but I don’t see any off-road riding on your channel. Your comments may be accurate, but it’d be better received probably if you had riding on your channel.

[@yurart]

​@@270sardean yeah, agree. The videos would help to add some credibility to my words. But you understand that they are correct and they come from experience. Many of my moments just didn't get to KZbin. Don't forget that most of the people don't have channels on KZbin at all. Does it make their words uncredible? I don't think so.

[@yurart]

@@270sardean And I have Super Tenere 1200. It's hard to go on it to super technical tracks like the ones in your video. You said it yourself that you sold your 850 GSA and understand that you can't do the same on 1250 GSA. Agree with you 🙂 My wish is not to check out some ligher bike like Super Tenere 700. But I don't like chain maintenance. Great video about ther White Rim btw.

[@carlirving2138]

Dork in the road just released a video of the worst adventure bikes for beginners. Super Tenere was first on the list. I can see why. Gearing was way too high for this trail.

[@jubjubs]

I saw that video yesterday haha. I was like, damn.... yeah kinda fair though :D

[@jonwoodworker]

Dork has never ridden the Super Tenere and doesn't have the skills or fitness to properly advise on what bike is good for who. Dork also says the 800DE makes no sense, yet the 800DE in this video had zero problems. Dork is entertainment at best, not a proper review channel. Considering this rider is a beginner, he did well on a big bike.

[@beamdoctor5637]

I agree 1st gear is way too high for the White Rim Trail. You can be skilled enough to ride the Super T on this trail but trying to keep your speed down for conditions is tough. The Power on ST doesn't pick up till your doing at least 22 to 32mph so when you want to slow down it lugs. Also the weight of Super Tenere of the front end exceeds the performance of the Front end. I have ridden a Super Tenere for 12 years and wouldn't find that bike matches that trail as fun, just work. I road that WRT last April and had a blast on a smaller bike.

[@andrewm190E]

​@jonwoodworker Err...no he didn't Dork may not have years of experience on big bikes, but he gas enough to know when a rider can't ride a big bike, unlike this guy. This is a perfect example of what not to do, regarding bike size

[@birchwoodbiker]

I am so jealous😭😭😭great vid

[@lucacaileanu8989]

I had a 2014 Super Tenere, great bike for touring, too heavy for off road, depends on the experience of the rider.

[@jubjubs]

It's such a touring beast :) My wife and i love it for taking photography road trips to various national parks.

[@Ghostrider-71]

Great video and thank you for posting. This video reminds me of this past October on my KLR650 down in Tennessee. I decided to ride in search of a dirt road “just for fun” haha. Well, it quickly turned to mud and became a real slug fest. Went down at least a dozen times, broke a mirror, broke both side plastic cases off a few times (glad they “broke away” and could be resecured), got covered head to toe in thick mud. I was alone and if it weren’t for the help of some very friendly people on side by sides, I probably would have had to walk out. My back was sore big time (KLR is 487lbs 😢) but lesson learned. Good tires are key and common sense is even more helpful. I didn’t have to deal with darkness like you did but I did cringe when you said “I just want to get out of here.” Yep, same words spoken by myself. I rode home to my buddies house to a good meal and a nice hot tub. I am glad you had someone with you, you could have been stuck multiple times and I can’t imagine what riding that trail was like in the dark. I want to do this trail at some point myself. Only maybe on a mountain bicycle or maybe my old Toyota Land Cruiser. Thank you for posting your experience and ride safe. Glad it worked out, I know that feeling.

[@jubjubs]

That sounds like a hell of a trip. Man good tires are such an underrated upgrade. I would have been so screwed on my ride without that new rear tire i put on. 1000 percent worth the money. I can't recommend southern Utah enough for great riding. There's so much great riding, both on and off road. You should totally come visit sometime.

[@Ghostrider-71]

@ I will get out there soon enough. Glad you made it out without a physical scratch.

[@kee7678]

Yeah that bash plate...that looked like stock right? I just rode some Mojave desert trails...very similar large rocks and no way can stock bash plates handle them. I went with Outback Motortek for my Tiger 900 and very glad I did....also, with Mosko Moto soft side bags too as...the rocks with shred hard cases as well as your legs and ankles dude. I'm a newbie and learning all this stuff lol.

[@jubjubs]

Yeah not sure if the skid plate was stock or not. It did it's best but that one hit was really hard. I'll probably replace it with something else though.

[@richardvarnold6245]

Wow an adventure you will remember no matter what you rode.

[@jameslee5428]

Live and learn brother man.😎

[@jubjubs]

Yup. I just need to get out and ride more!

[@johnwilkinson6542]

Yep! It works. :)

[@watch_drives_you]

Very cool Trip! Would love to ride there some day. BUT... I was riding a big part of the TET Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland and Norway last year on my 1100GS and not once did i think "thats the perfect bike for this". Heavy adventure bikes are fantastic for really long trips but when the going gets tough you want something light and nimble. I bought a used CRF250 the moment i arrived back home. I can tell you man... these 220lbs difference to the GS makes it feel worlds apart.

[@jubjubs]

I'd love to ride the TET one day. Sounds like a fun ride. Yeah.... I've got a wr450 that would have eaten up this trail, but the 500 miles of highway and that many hours on it's crappy seat would have sucked. My current problem is I've got 2 bikes that are both at either extreme of suitability lol

[@watch_drives_you]

@jubjubs The TET is definitely a fantastic trail. I'm from Germany and often go to Poland to ride various bits of it. I also have two bikes at different ends of the spectrum but meanwhile I tend to take the lighter CRF and suffer a bit on the road to have more fun off-road. There is no perfect solution for this problem... something like a T7 or Tuareg 660 is still a compromise off-road.

[@jubjubs]

How hard is it for people from the US to rent/ride in EU? I've got a buddy that lives in Lithuania. That'd be dope to visit them and then ride a section of the trail.

[@watch_drives_you]

@@jubjubs I don't think that this would be a problem. The people in the Baltics are pretty laid back and will help you out. Just Google "endure tours Lithuania" and you will find companies where you can rent a bike for a few weeks. The TET Lithuania is absolutely amazing. A lot of sand, a lot of gravel but beautiful landscapes, friendly people and great beer.

[@watch_drives_you]

@@jubjubs I dont think that this would be a problem. You might need a international driving permit, but im not sure about that. The people in the baltics are pretty laid back and will help you find a solution. Just google "enduro tours lithuania", there are companies where you can rent a bike for a few weeks. The TET Lithuania is absolutely amazing. A lot of sand and gravel, almost no hills let alone mountains but beautiful landscapes, friendly people and great beer ;)

[@Trike.]

The problem trying to turn a 550lb street bike into a dirt bike is just that the weight, Then the gearing on your street bike is very long which makes crawling in 1st gear very hard and low clearance . I tried dirt riding with my 2018 vstom 1000 and it sucked so i got a honda rally 300 , which should be the bear minum for adventure biking .

[@jubjubs]

For sure. I should have at least made my buddy haul more of the extra gear lol. The one saving grace of the SuperT is that it has crap tons of torque, so it tractors really well. Everything else is definitely a downside for this stuff haha.

[@D.E.X]

In dry area's, I find it best to take a drink of water and a break after every drop. The wind sucks the moisture out of you and people are clumsy when they are dehydrated. I think it affects judgement as well.

[@jubjubs]

Exactly. I was definitely not staying on top of my hydration and I could tell it was making things worse. Next time I'm gonna be much more deliberate and organized with my hydration strategy.

[@kipper2942]

Don’t mean to criticise but, Are you crazy taking that monster out there with your skills. Very brave good effort. Great example of big pretend ADV bikes that don’t belong out there.

[@jubjubs]

Haha yeah, pretty much a perfect example of "just cause it 'can' doesn't mean it 'should'"

[@flatgrindrides]

Super Tenere is a pig in the sand. Looks like you had traction control on in all the sandy spots. I think you’ll like it more with TC turned off. Despite the “good times“ it still, looks like a fun adventure that you will remember!

[@jubjubs]

Yeah, i wish there was an easier way to turn it on and off

[@flatgrindrides]

@ just push and hold the button on the left side of the dash until the traction control light comes on and stays on. You might be thinking about the ABS, which IS a pain in the butt to turn off on that bike. You either pull the fuse, or put the bike up on the stand and run it for a few seconds in second gear, but the ABS will turn back on if you cycle the ignition with the key. Some people install a switch or a remote fuse holder up in the dash to make the ABS easier to turn on and off, but that’s kind of a pain in the butt too. 😂👍

[@flatgrindrides]

And despite everyone telling you where to ride and how to ride, I think you should just have fun and ride wherever the heck you want! 💪

[@jubjubs]

@flatgrindrides oh damn, I forgot about the button. I thought the center stand trick was for tc. That woulda been handy to know haha

[@flatgrindrides]

@ the button is not obvious because it’s not really visible. Just tap it once to cycle between traction control modes one and two, and push it and hold it to disable traction control. But as you say, it’s easy to forget that it’s there or even see it in the first place.

[@mowman7777]

It’s on my bucket list to ride those trails unfortunately I live on the east coast.

[@jubjubs]

You'll have to plan a trip out west sometime to do it! There's so much great riding to do. We'd need multiple lifetimes to ride it all lol.

[@WJJ3rd]

I've ridden big adventure bikes on bad roads, but I learned my lesson. I would not ride that road on any bigger than a 250.

[@jubjubs]

Yeah, the bike did great for almost all of the road. It just sucked for the few sections. I'd maybe take it again, but i definitely wouldn't take it solo. It's too heavy for me to reliably pick up if i'm tired or injured. Something in the 250-800 cc range would probably be ideal for the road. The SuperT is great for all the long miles and crap for the really technical bits.

[@pandrdoberman]

I had situation when I couldn't lift up my wr250r on Ophir pass and California Pass 😂 , and it's 2 time less weight of bike than Super Tenere 😂

[@johnwilkinson6965]

​@@pandrdobermanyeah, I wouldn't be comfortable doing anything near as technical without a buddy.

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

Another reason i love my sidecars.I can plow through sand and mud but cant do crazy single track.Who needs that to enjoy yourselves? But backroads gravel and sand roads and camping it cant be beat

[@Driftworkzworld]

and btw that fan is running to cool it down , turning it off just boiles ur oil and warps ur cylinders

[@jubjubs]

That's a good call out. I should let that run more in the future. On the plus side, that bike has really good cooling and my temps were consistently better than the vstrom all day.

[@silverdale3207]

Trouble is the bike stalled so the fan running won't make any difference if the water pump isn't circulating water.

[@jubjubs]

True Honestly the Super T's cooling is fantastic and almost never is an issue. But it's still always good to keep an eye on them regardless.

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

Another reason you need the huge oval type crash bars that keep the bike off the ground if you go down.

[@pandrdoberman]

U shouldn't use hard plastic side cases, a lot of riders broke feet when they got under😢 luggage

[@jubjubs]

Yeah, it's definitely more risk. I got lucky and they ended up being a help for these incidents, but there was a close call with a bush on the trip. I do at least run big chungus MX boots, so hopefully that'll keep me intact till I can get something different sorted out.

[@edgarheinrichs8876]

You did well with the super tenere over that narly trail. Was the other bike suzuki v-strom 800 ?

[@jubjubs]

Thanks :D Yeah, the other bike is the v-strom 800. It held it's own quite well. It had to work a little harder on the highway there and back, but definitely was a little better suited for the trail since it's almost a hundred pounds lighter not counting cases and gear

[@steeltube195]

I love big bikes off road, it takes lots of skill, it forces you to be a better rider. But those bikes are asphalt cruisers, dirt road only if there are in flawless condition. You need a 21 18 wheel bike for that kind of terrain. It was painful to watch those beatiful bikes out of their element.

[@jubjubs]

Haha yeah. I was joking with my buddy that my butt was the only part of me that wasn't sore after that ride lol. The super T eats up the highway miles. Definitely asked a lot from it on that ride. Mostly it was my own lack of experience and fatigue that did me in 😂

[@jubjubs]

Yeah I'd love to get a middle weight bike at some point. Something in the 700 cc range. I thought about using my wr450 for the ride, but I couldn't subject it or my butt to the highway miles to get there and back.

[@steeltube195]

@@jubjubs If you made it that far on that bike with the wrong wheels and the wrong suspension, you will probably dominate on a T700 or maybe you can check out the CFMoto 450 every tester on youtube loved it.

[@Syn741]

you should turn your traction control off when going through sand. you need as much momentum to push the bike through it even if the wheel slips. Wheel slipping through sand going straight is better than wheel stopping completely as even during the wheel slipping though the sand, the bike still has some power to push. also use a higher gear as it less torque. too much torque, your tires dig themselves in.

[@jubjubs]

Thanks for the advice. I'll have to give the higher gear a try. Sadly, for my bike, you have to put it up on the center stand and let it idle in 2nd gear to get the TC to turn off. This makes it pretty tricky to turn off on demand :(

[@Kevimoto]

Keep that bike for asphalt and easy gravel. It'll last forever and it's a bike you'll love when you get older and don't want to ride the rough stuff anymore. Meanwhile, get yourself a ~300 lb dual sport. You'll have WAY more fun in that terrain.

[@MrRplo]

Enjoyed the video. The comments section is hilarious.......90% couldn't ride this trail on their bike of choice without crashing it more than you did or worse. Motorcycle crowd is loaded with posers. While it definitely appears you are a beginner, good on you for getting out there and doing it, filming it, and posting it.

[@jubjubs]

Haha thanks :D I find I have a weakness for chasing all the shiny bikes and farkles and gear.Last year I kinda realized that I just needed to get out and ride the damn bikes. My bikes aren't the newest or fastest or coolest or best. But damnit they're more capable than I am lol. I think to some extent I just need to get out and get more experience. I can already tell my skills are better than they were and ya gotta push yourself to get better :)

[@mikestowe1973]

sounds like you are CONSTANTLY in 2nd gear...about to stall...You really need to work on your clutch work. just my 2cents. especially in sand...you have to keep the RPMs high.

[@jubjubs]

Agreed. I stalled a lot cause my rpms would dip and I don't have enough muscle memory to pull the clutch fast enough

[@silverdale3207]

Yep , very hard on engine and drivetrain too let alone making it twice as hard to maintain balance.

[@skulijakobsson5116]

Much Enjoyment 👍😎😂

[@ericfastclip9959]

Just a rule to go by with owning a big motorcycle is: if you can't pick it up by yourself get one that you can. Not every time you ride a buddy will be there to help you stand it back up. Super Tenere is a great bike on pavement and easy off road.

[@jubjubs]

Yeah this was definitely at the edge of both the bike's and my own personal limits. The reason I was comfortable attempting it was 1: I had my buddy for help, 2: the trail is decently traveled so you're not gonna be lost for days, and 3: he had his garmin inreach we could use for emergencies.

[@ericfastclip9959]

@@jubjubs I get it. I have a 2012 Gen 2 Suzuki V-Strom 650 Adventure but I would rather be on my Suzuki DR 650 in that off road riding.

[@Duke98765]

Dud what are you doing ? Your bike is only for road ! ! ! Are you beginer ?

[@jubjubs]

Just experienced enough to get into dumb situations haha

[@Duke98765]

@jubjubs hahaha... legend ! :)

[@flatgrindrides]

There are plenty of people that ride Super Teneres off-road. kzbin.info44HSiP1_e24?si=dBLXMzHcTwHBUk7s

[@666dualsport]

thats is dual sport country not 265kg of bike country

[@ADVDad-hw9ls]

I have the ST 2012 I have it for 3 years. Im about to get something different. It's to heavy for the technical off road. I made several videos in my channel if you want to check it out. Great video

[@kee7678]

Man that White Rim TRail looks harder than I thought. Id find myself getting pissed with all the Mtn bikers there as I'd be afraid of hitting of them or avoiding them and flying off the trail down the mtn LOL. I"m a mtn biker but still irritating me on a bike lol.

[@jubjubs]

Most of the trail wasn't bad. Half of it is basically a Subaru road. It gets more technical at the end.

[@pandrdoberman]

keep filming content like that people like to watch someone else suffer 😂

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

Overly tall overly heavy adv bikes aren't good for anything but the road.You dont need power or weight or even clearance more than 8 inchs as long as the bash plate is adequate which oem ones rarely are.You need a light bike with minimal electronics that you can still flatfoot and is light enough to easily pick up. A TW 200

[@jubjubs]

Man, a good o'l Tee-Dubs would love that trail haha. Someday I'd love to get one to putter around on.

[@jerryglasow513]

P. S. Keep compensating for your lugging and you're going to burn out your clutch.

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

Poor people in 3rd. World countries regularly travel roads as bad as this on small displacement Honda cg 125's and their knockoffs.Little clearance 2 or maybe 3 up with a load of luggage. When they dont have clearance they walk it through. I was watching them pass 2 up right by Itchy boots on a 300c.c. Honda in the African mud and sand.

[@javierc2726]

More throttle

[@jubjubs]

For sure :D, I was realizing as I was editing the video just how many times my life would have been much easier if I'd just committed harder lol.

[@javierc2726]

@@jubjubs Yeeee.. give it the beanssss.. That engine was struggling at low rpm (and the rider too) 😛

[@jubjubs]

All gas no brakes!! :D

[@skulijakobsson5116]

You snooze, you lose.

[@ryanday3583]

Super tenere probably more suited for pavement and dirt road

[@jubjubs]

Oh for sure haha.

[@jerryglasow513]

Scratch that re sprocket; saw your shaft. The lugging you are doing maybe the best that bike can do; if so, you need a different bike.

[@pandrdoberman]

U gonna need wr250r 😂

[@jubjubs]

I thought about taking my wr450f, but i didn't have the heart to subject it to that many highway miles, or the butt calluses to handle riding a vinyl covered 2x4 of a seat for that many hours lol.

[@Driftworkzworld]

trying to go off road with a big cc bike loaded up with more weight is just giving you problems that just are not needed i never understand. a simple loaded up 250 would have done better than this even with luggage

[@jubjubs]

For sure. Always good to have an excuse to buy another bike :D

[@michaelfiles336]

You certainly didn't do yourself any favors in the intelligent department with this video. Lol there are plenty of videos out there that you could of watched before choosing to do something so silly. I am 51 and can dead lift 300 pounds but i I would never take my V-strom 1000 out there.

[@thesouringgentleman]

I’m 49 and deadlift 500 lbs. I’m doing it with my Harley Pan America. But lifting any bike is easier or harder, depending on what kind of angle and sludge you’re working with. If you can’t pick up your bike on the trail, figure it out, no matter how heavy it is. It’s harder with the V-Strom, but maybe if he keeps doing hard things, he’ll be deadlifting more than his body weight at your age.

[@jerryglasow513]

Horrible lugging; consider a front sprocket with one fewer teeth.