Big Boy Restoration Update - Cheyenne Depot Days 2018

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

What an experience to see the 3 Big Boys on this trip! Like many.. I can not wait for the 4014 to run again! When he does.. I know for sure that I won’t be able to hold back the tears! The restoration on this has been as monumental as the Big Boy itself!

[@ritaloy8338]

Karyn Felix-Angell You will not be the only one. We better have our big boxes of Kleanex Tissues® at the ready when we finally get to see the Big Boy Union Pacific 4014 once again barrelling down the Union Pacific Main Line heading towards Ogden Utah over Sherman Hill. 🚂

[@fanatichighdesertrailroader]

You will not be alone with your feelings. I watched it leave California and wait for its' return.

[@paulcasini4759]

I would love to see one of these magnificent beasts in our NRM in the UK we have a Chinese LOCO so what about a Big Boy For The UK after all we gave you an A4 Pacific Dwight D Eisenhower may be one day one of The Big Boys could visit The UK

[@josephtatham800]

This BIG BOY is a masterpiece of engineering. You have to love steam locomotives to appreciate this video. This video is of excellent quality and every aspect of the UP project explained very well. This is a piece of America that deserves to live on and run again. There has been no other time period like that of steam. I myself would like to see it run the rails again, and I hope all of you out there want to see that also!

[@ToyManTelevision]

It will be a grand grand day when this thing moves again! And plans are for it to visit just about every state in the union once they get it going. It will be amazing to see!

[@dennisb9157]

Joseph Tatham Yes for sure!!!! Having been born in the 80s, I have only heard of the Big Boy, Challenger, Northern, etc. Now I have gotten to see them on DVD at least, with the exception of 844 which I got to see in person and witness her in operation back in 2010.

[@josephtatham800]

Another steam locomotive you would be impressed with is the GS 6 (Golden State) 4449 Daylight Express, 4-8-4. PBS aired a show on the engine quite a few years ago. A magnificent engine for sure. If your interested, look it up. You won't be disappointed.

[@kevingthompson14]

Sorry guys this class of locomotives WAS NOT the pinnacle of steam engineering nor were they engineering masterpieces. At the time these were built all sorts of epic engineering items were in use that UP opted out of. Feed water heaters, etc. It gave a clean look but in reality these were very poor steamers because they could not feed the fire fast enough or keep steam pressure high enough. They were pretty. They were BIG. Not the biggest, those engines at Massabe were heavier. Alleghenies were the most state of the art steam. Those 2-10-o's at WM were the most powerful per axle. The Red Devil designed/re-engineered bt Nigel Gressley are stronger also per axle per scale. Now am I glad they are bringing a big boy back to life, OH HELL YEAH. I just am not a UP worshipper. When it came to steam they were very cheap as far as addons. Had these things ahd feedwater heaters and super heaters all the propaganda would be true. It is going to be really interesting to see how UP manages to haul LONG passenger trains with this poor steam capability. My guess is the backup deisels will be carrying much of the load. On a realted note, I hope all realize how far we are along in scratch building a live T-1 Pennsy 4-4-4-4. The frame is COMPLETE! THe tender is being reworked (super distance tender was obtained from a museum and is being rebuilt). THE BOILERS ARE ALL BUILT! The best part of that project is the group has piles of statistical data from those and will be DESIGNING OUT ALL THE FLAWS as they go. It will be a fully modernized version of a T-1 like Tornado was in UK. There is a C&O mallet also being rebuilt & the best of all the projects is that gorgeous STRIPE outta Nashville! It turns out that Nc&StL had fully reworked several of those to protect their flagship passenger trains schedules. That one was stored and never run so it is in FACTORY CONDITION INSIDE. Outside body work will be done and it will be running. Can we believe that all this steam will live!!!!!

[@OpenRoader]

I grew up in Southern California and visited the LA County fair where the Big Boy was housed. From 1968 until the day they hauled it out I have visited that locomotive. As a kid in the early 1970's I climbed into the cab and tried to turn every knob I could reach and when it was in Colton, California on the way to Cheyenne I saw it one last time. I took some pictures that will never be possible to take again, standing between the drive wheels where the connecting linkage goes. Once assembled, that won't be possible again. Thanks for the amazing update. Looking forward to seeing it move under it's own power for the first time in my life.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

What a cool memory! So glad that you took pictures! Life is ever changing, and right within our sight. It will be an amazing sight to see this historic locomotive restored, and moving down the tracks on it's own power. I know that I will be moved to tears...It will be my first time, as well, to see the 4014 running! What a moment in history!

[@marycarricaburu3683]

I was there one day and talked some guy who had come all the way from Australia to see 4014.

[@BDNeon]

When I was a kid visiting as part of a group, they actually let those of us small enough to fit crawl in through the stokers hatch to stand inside the firebox, I'll never forget that, the way the panels designed to shift the coal wobbled slightly under my feet, the eerie muffled sensation as the walls of the firebox absorbed the sound, and the very noticeable heat despite the sun having gone down an hour or so ago.

[@altarbillies4298]

I hear ya brotha. We were able to shoot a video of our song "Ballad of the big Boy" only days before UP swooped in and put up the caution tape around 4014. I doubt we will ever be able to play up on the front deck just behind the light again. however, we will have the honor to play at an for this locomotive when it returns to the LA fairgrounds next summer - 2019. I think you will enjoy the video and much of the footage will be familiar to you...steam on and enjoy!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3ndf2qLeM-en5o

[@waynep343]

the big boy is reassembled and being fitted out.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hp3XZ4idi9RsrpY thought you might enjoy it.

[@FutureRailProductions]

Glad to hear they're making great progress on the Big Boy. Can't wait to see her in action next year.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

It's totally amazing! Everything is done to perfection.. right down to the smallest detail! What an amazing locomotive!

[@AustNRail]

I was impressed with your presentation. Well done. Now to subscribe.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Just click on that button with the rocket ship!! Thanks for watching!!

[@Oakhart76]

I'm a grown man, and when I see 4014 under his... (Her?) own power, I'm going to shed a tear of pure American pride.

[@ToyManTelevision]

No kidding. It will be an amazing and all American day.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

It sure brings a lot of emotion.. Just seeing something that majestic, moving along the rails... Symbolic of what built this land!

[@brettmacdonald1838]

Kilroy was here high five to you, Kilroy. Well said. Cheers!🍻

[@drinkme821]

Its definitely a she. A she would go through decades of being abused. May need some tlc but when rebuilt will be stronger than ever. A he would hold a grudge and fight tooth and nail and constantly breakdown. She machines are stronger and can take more abuse. Should be called the big girl.

[@FranzFerdinandVIII]

Same here, Kilroy🚂

[@sugarhillsrr]

Toy Man, what a wonderful description of the boiler and how it is constructed. I can't help but marvel at the thought of the skill of the people that designed and built these things with out the help of any kind of computer.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

I keep thinking the same thing! Totally amazing!!

[@DoctorShocktor]

Obviously it was built with a very good computer, the human mind. There’s no reason to exclude the brain from the common definition of a computer. And if you’re thinking electronic computer exclusively, the technology here doesn’t require a super computer, it’s complex but only in quantity of parts, not it’s science. Plus, it was always a technology in flux, with a lot of guesswork, testing, and modifications toward optimization, they were far from perfect.

[@khalilrasha1]

Union Pacific 4014 is a 4-8-8-4 class Big boy Built by Alco in 1941 it pulled long freight trains on the Union Pacific System mostly in the state of Wayoming and Sherman Hell Retired in 1959 and Placed on display at Pomona California well run Again When Restoration is complete it can Produce 135.375 Pounds of trackt of Afort and Waights £1,250,000 and has a top speed of 80 miles pour hour

[@jimkammerer8028]

VERY GOOD VIDEO VERY INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE THANK YOU BOTH GREAT VIDEO AWESOME INFORMATION AND THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS. 😷😷👌😁👍🚂🚂

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks!!! Hope they are back on the main line again soon

[@MrPLC999]

"the blast and cough and suction of the gaseous dragon roaring to life..." Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451 Back in the 80's, I had the honor of crawling into the firebox of 4014 when it was in Pomona. That was truly the Inner Sanctum of steam railroading. I never dreamed that one day the heart of this dragon would again blaze with life. I will see it next year with my own eyes. Thank you, Union Pacific!!

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

This is truly amazing! I had never seen the Big Boy's in person.. Only seen and read about them in books.. documentaries and such. When I first met Dale.. It was about the time that he had uploaded his series on the Big Boy here on the channel. It moved me to tears! I would have loved to have seen this event.. But I had to be at work. The first time I was able to get up close and personal with the Big Boy.. The size alone was more than I could take in at one glance! I felt a little intimidated... mostly because of a recurring dream that I have had since I was a little girl.. where I am "lost".. and trying to escape through this maze of large, greasy-black machinery, where there are lots of pipes, tubes, rods and hoses... And... IT'S HOT! I am crawling in and through this, trying not to get burned! There is this hot smell of grease and coal. I have no idea where this dream comes from.. But.. Seeing the Big Boy up close, really sent a chill up my spine! There is a feeling of curiosity.. mixed with just a touch of fear. Yet, mixed with all of this, is a feeling that I have just met an old friend. I can't wait to see the 4014 run again.. Even to see it's "fire" and feel the heat radiating from it's core. I know it will literally send a chill up my spine! But to see this giant run, will surly bring tears to my eyes!

[@ToyManTelevision]

11-26-18 UPDATE. The boiler is FINISHED. Starting testing. Back head going together. The front engine is finished and ready to roll under the locomotive. Totally rebuilt. Front engine truck FINISHED. (look for a video here on the Big Boy Playlist. Walk around of the finished front engine,) Trailing truck also finished. Within a few days the front engine truck will be installed in the front engine and the entire front engine rolled back under the locomotive. Steam lines and fittings for the front engine also mostly ready to reinstall. Then the trailing truck will be rolled under the cab area. So within a few days the locomotive will be back on its' own wheels, front and rear trucks. Once that is finished the drivers go back in and the side rods and driving mechanism can be reassembled. (big job) On schedule for May 10!!! CORRECTION!!!: On the giant tubes inside the fire box. They convect water from the "water legs" up to the "crown sheet" . The water inside the tubes is boiling vigorously. All the water in the boiler is at almost the same temperature, but it boils more in some places which is transferring more heat to the water. So the hot water travels up the tubes pulling the cooler water from the sides up the the top above the firebox. This helps keep the temperature of the water uniform. And it helps keep mud from settling to the bottom, the "mud ring". So they assist in keeping the water boiling at a more uniform temperature, keep the water moving and keep crud from building up as much. Also, they support the brick arch. The arch causes the fire to flow back toward the back head. Without it the fire is much hotter at the front than the back. There are fire bricks that interlock between them making an arch lower in the front. How they attach, I don't know. Just fire brick, no mortar, no bolts.They all interlock. These tubes are water filled to keep them from melting in the 2000 degree heat. The "floor" is also made from these bricks as any metal not in direct contact with water will melt in the extreme heat.

[@crankbv1]

Toy Man Television. Re, the fire bricks. It's possible that the bricks were made with holes cast in them and that they are hung on steel bars/rails, that pass through the holes so they are literally suspended face to face without the need for mortar. This method was used for many years,especially where a furnace was subject to jolts and vibrations as it would be in a locomotive. It also makes for easy replacement of burned out bricks in that they merely draw out the bars and slide new bricks in place. The bars themselves are protected from heat corrosion by each surrounding brick so tend to last for a long time. I once worked at a company which used fixed location furnaces comparable in size to that of a locomotive and I saw them use this suspension method in the course of periodic re linings.

[@ToyManTelevision]

crankbv1 wow!! Have wondered how the heck!!!! And the size of the arch here is massive. Thanks for the info. Love to see the installation. Wonder when they will be ready for that.

[@DaveBassTrekker]

Those tubes are called siphons. Not sure that they were meant to support the brick arch, not as a primary function, they were to help better circulate the water from the sides of the firebox.

[@rogerwhittle2078]

DaveBass Trekker. Many British steam locomotives have such things, in particular the so called 'Bulleid Pacifics' which were, like Big Boy, almost the very latest in steam technology. They are called 'Thermic Syphons' over here. The 'Merchant Navy', 'Battle of Britain' and 'West Country' class pacific's were prodigious steam makers and their boiler design was largely used in the BR Standard large locos. As many know, there are a lot of steam locomotives still under steam in the UK and it is hard not to make comparisons. Obviously Big Boy, Challenger and FEF-3 are all massively bigger, heavier and more powerful than the biggest and most powerful British locos. However, the British 'Loading Gauge' - the theoretical 'hole' through which any locomotive or rolling stock must be able to pass without hitting anything - is less than two thirds that of the American equivalent. 4014 is 16' 2" high and most large British locos are 13'. 4014 is 11' wide, Brits no more than 8'. 4014 had a 300 psi boiler, most Brits 250 psi. Even so, British steam locos could produce more power - weight for weight - than even the mighty Alco behemoths. 4014 = (engine only) 340 long tons = 6290 edhp. BR Class 8 71000 'Duke of Gloucester' = 101 long tons = 2750 edhp. I know that's comparing apples and carrots - 4014 is exclusively a freight engine and the 'Duke' was a purely fast passenger engine - but both 71000 and 92240 (BR Std Class 9F) were 40,000lb tractive effort engines and the 9F had only two cylinders and weighed a mere 86 long tons. Having said that, I saw 4005 in Denver in 1988 and to someone very used to Class 9F and Bullied Pacific's up close, it was a staggering, overwhelming sight. Although I regard FEF-3 844 as beautiful and Challenger 3985 as the more handsome, I have always loved even the 'idea' of Big Boy 4xxx. It is, indeed, the 'Ultimate' steam engine. I hope one day, to combine a visit to my son in Texas, with an excursion behind 4014.

[@jamesshanks2614]

Roger Whittle Thank you for the specs on the English railroads and the limited holes they have to work in. I am a retired locomotive engineer what you would call a driver and in my career I ran Alco S series switchers 539 and 539T models, RS-2 and RS-3 road switchers with 244 V-12 turbocharged engines every EMD road switcher from the GP-7 to an SD-80 MAC a few Fairbanks Morse road switchers (, ex New Haven Railroad ) Pennsy GG-1 locomotives a Rohr turbo train power cars only from grand Central to New Haven M-2 shop for wheel work, the demo RC-4 from Penn station to New Haven, CT., every model switcher from the SW-1 to the SW-1500, and every model made by GE from the first generation U-25B to a U-40B less than two weeks old. I once got called off the oak point spare board in New York City to run a S class switcher built in 1906 for service in Grand Central Terminal. It still has its original 2 cylinder air compressor in the cab rated at 90 cubic feet of compressed air a minute. That was a treat as it uses quill drive on the four driven axles. It was originally a 1-4-1 wheel arrangement but after severe hunting a speed the Central added two axles one at each end to make the final configuration a 2-4-2 on a fabricated frame steam locomotive style without side rods, the Pennsylvania railroad when they electrified to run through the new tunnels from New Jersey used a single large DC motor to electrify the D-16 class of American type 4-4-0 locomotives t he built an entire class of DD-1 locomotives by semi permanently coupling the back to back so no Turing was necessary. The DD-1's if I remember correctly are rated at 3000 horsepower delivered initially by overrunning 600 volt DC third rail that is still in use in penn station for Long Island commuter MU trains. In 1976 when I started running trains out of Grand Central and Penn Station when I got called for a light engine from sunny side yard to new have motor storage I found an operational DD-1 still used every night by the wire department so they could kill the overhead 11 KV 25 CYCLE AC power presently used by Amtrak on the Northeast Corridor. Just a footnote the Pennsylvania GG-1 electrics used a 140 cubic feet a minute air compressor built by New Your Air Brake driven by a small electric motor aka the air side of a steam driven air pump. It used a single model 6025 steam generator and as the fireman you had to before entering penn station fire up a steam syphon to transfer water from number two tank to number one, you knew it was full because the overflow on number one tank would go over yours and the engineers windshield. Your maximum width is 8 feet? Good lord no wonder they preferred to fire them by hand, I know in Germany they used copper in the fire boxes and was wondering if the English builders of steam did the same? I would like to thank you personally for posting specifications of the three classes of British steam and sincerely hope you are able to get across the pond to see the big boy in action personally. Take plenty of pictures with digital cameras so you can easily copy them for friends. Cheers

[@vermilionrailfan5651]

When its done, I wanna see 844, 3985, 4449 and 4014 quadruple head an excursion

[@ToyManTelevision]

That would be great, but I doubt it. 4449 and the UP engines were together in Sacramento for Rail Fair. But UP doesn't like 4449 on their rails. They feel they have their own steam program, don't need any help. 4449 has been running as Amtrak, but our new head-up-yr-but government policies will not allow them to do that anymore. So they can only run on private tracks near Portland. BUT in about 2022 the other 3 will be out there together!!!!!!

[@ralfie8801]

Just FYI Christopher, the 3985 is in sad, sad condition and must undergo the same type of overhaul the Big Boy is going through before it can be allowed to run again. Many of the parts are the same as on the Big Boy, so when a lot of those identical and/or very similar parts were ordered for the current project, UP ordered enough of those parts for the Challenger as well, along with some spares of those parts as well if I remember right. It will be awesome to see the Big Boy doubleheaded with the Challenger some day.

[@dennisb9157]

I would love to see all UP engines run together too, but 4449 is not owned by UP anymore. It has been taken over by another entity. It has pulled Amtrak trains, BNSF employee specials, and other non-UP venues. 3985 is in dire need of an overhaul. She has been working hard for almost 20 years without any difficulties, until recently. 844 continues to be the bread winner on the UP steam roster. Too bad she failed an inspection. UP's E Units and their DDA40X are doing their excursions right now. Due to its rigid wheel base, 6936 is restricted to lines on which it can travel without slipping the wheels and damaging railheads. The E Units are in full operation and see a lot of use. I have researched my information. I only wish I could see all UP's heritage locomotives. I got to see 844 when she came down to Harlingen, Texas to help the city celebrate its 100th birthday. She is a sight to behold. On her return to Cheyenne, the lead engineer suffered a heart attack and died. It was a sad day when we heard the news.

[@ralfie8801]

Dennis B UP as a company, has never owned or operated the 4449. The City of Portland, Oregon has owned the 4449 since the SP donated it to them in 1958, and a group of volunteers named "Friends of the 4449" operates and maintains it. As for UP 3985, it was put in storage with boiler problems along with leading truck and maybe front engine tracking issues if I remember right, awaiting a complete overhaul back in 2010, I wouldn't really call that "recent" unless you're taking it's total age into account.

[@ToyManTelevision]

I love to see the E units on the road. Steam is better.... But I'll follow the E units as well!!!

[@upsd402]

Double WOW, one of your best videos. Great product, and very professional. Double thumbs up.

[@ToyManTelevision]

It is always fun to get out the shower I am especially when we get to play with the big boy

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Thanks so much! Not difficult to narrate this video.. as it came straight from the heart! So much about the restoration of the Big Boy, just brings out so many emotions.. So wonderful to live in a time where we have the technology and the well educated engineers, to breathe life into these treasures once again! For the young folks, to experience something that only their grandparents would have seen... Amazing!!

[@robb.675]

I'm amazed by the technology that was around then. I can't even imagine how they put it together.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Keep in mind that a few of these things were still in regular service, not big boys but other locomotives, when men first went to the moon. Strange that these technologies can be this advanced and this primitive at the same time

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@Rob B. hello how are you doing

[@johnkinnane547]

G'day and greetings from Tasmania, I would like to take this opportunity in thanking you both for your excellent coverage of the restoration of the Big Boy. You pointed out items and fixtures that are truly unbelievable in an engine of her size and greatness, thank you once again very well filmed and edited kind regards John Kinnane Tasmania Australia and I have subscribed.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Tasmania!!! Wow, down under the down under! Love to see the place, doubt we ever will, but looks like an amazing place.

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@John Kinnane hello how are you doing

[@DarrelCarson]

That's going to be great to see the Big Boy come back to Ogden. Took my grandson and chased it up the Weber Canyon on its way to Cheyenne. He was 2 years old. When it comes back, he'll be 8.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

This helps put the restoration of one of these locomotives into perspective! No easy task! I have often wondered just how long it took to build the Big Boy in the first place! Then... The restoration is monumental, as so many of the parts have to be manufactured by machines which no longer exist! So... that machine must be remanufactured as well!! This restoration is truly a labor of love! Nothing like I have ever seen!

[@btpcmsag]

@@karynfelix-the-Cat -- Maybe double check on that, the machines you say "no longer exist" might be doing just fine in China. So much of our excellent manufacturing machines were torn up for scrap, and the BLUEPRINTS to rebuild them were buried in landfills. Sick. That's what happens when you let *hair-brained bureaucrats* make all the decisions.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

btpcmsag As I use to say to my students: “Go back and reread what you just read, to make sure you understand before commenting.” The majority of the Big Boy Locomotives were built in 1941 to 1944, then production ended. The Big Boy locomotives were in use until 1959. There are around 8 Big Boy locomotives today. Of those, 6 of those are inoperable, and are Museum displays. The 4012 could be made to run.. but 4014 is currently undergoing a complete restoration. The parts which are being manufactured for this locomotive, are the parts I was talking about in my comment. I highly doubt there is a Big Boy parts manufacturing plant, located in China.

[@greguzar8233]

"You Guys!" This episode is among my top ten list, now. If anyone didn't know the effort to restore this mighty beast, they should know enough to survive speaking about it at their next cocktail party. Honestly, Toy Man, and Bride, this episode would be wonderful for those that want to know what all the fuss is about. It's a huge engine, and a even bigger undertaking to breath life back into the beast. *Wonderful piece of work. *your part, Toy Man. Thank you for this one.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi Greg! What a fun time we had looking at that locomotive. We just rolled in from the rat Fink reunion and are slowly recovering our wits. What a fun car show but you can always tell when we’ve been to a car show we are completely sunburned. Today is no exception. The worst of it is the sunburned eyeballs. Tried putting sunblock in my eyeballs and that didn’t work out at all well that’s more of a vision block than sun block. Anyway is that locomotive something to see! We are hoping we can talk Ed into inviting us out for test runs when they put steam to it. We really promise to stay out of the way. Actually as their pressurizing that we have a desire to stay way out-of-the-way! You know just in case.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

The work going into this project is beyond monumental! The workmanship going into the restoration is of upmost perfection.. right down to the tiniest detail! My hat goes off to the engineers, like Ed, who are not only knowledgable in their field.. But carry a great passion to see the project through, from beginning to the first run down the tracks! Taking video, and tracking the progress of this giant, has been a privilege!

[@ohgary]

"Cocktai party"? People still do those? That is as much a relic of the past as the locomotive itself : )

[@ToyManTelevision]

Back when I was working at Sunn pictures (Grizzly Adams) We had a cocktail party ever day of the week. (as we worked every day) The party was held every morning at about 10 and went on to the 3 drink (and 2 joint for many) lunch. This went on to about 10 PM when we all drifted home to watch TV and get back to work. The Mormons had the edge here. Show up at 8:30 AM walk right past me beating the damn coffee maker trying to get it to work, and those 2 went right to work. How the hell did they do that? Anyway, I would get the coffee on and slowly everyone drifted in and after 2 or 3 cups of needed mud, fix a cocktail and go to their edit room. How did we ever get anything done? Thank god no one (in our department) was snorting coke. Or were they?

[@FranzFerdinandVIII]

Toy Man Television snorting coke lmao/XD 🚂🚂🚂

[@robertlucido3686]

I've heard in a video on KZbin that the Strasburg Railroad built a new boiler for steam locomotive 152 at the Huckleberry Railroad

[@schickmann]

what a terrible loss of fabrication equipment and milling machines and tooling that was discarded. even more so is loss of experienced men

[@ToyManTelevision]

schickmann when you see what’s been removed. Crap. This sort of thing is what has really cost American jobs. Change and moderation not imports. Some lost that way but most through moderation

[@eaglewi]

Toy Man Television truth. It's also a lack of long term vision.

[@douglasskaalrud6865]

You should read some history about postwar inflation, labor costs and facilities maintenance and you'll understand why the steam locomotive died. Seeing that labor is always the highest cost of producing anything and considering just how many man-hours it took to keep a steam locomotive running it's no surprise at all that the steam locomotive could not survive.

[@jamesshanks2614]

Aye but the steam locomotive did survive in China building 2-8-2's and QJ class locomotive's 2-10-2's as the last ones were built in 1988. The last QJ's were retired in the last 8 years but 2-8-2's still work at collieries and steel mills. The QJ's were used to open a new mountain railroad with heavy welded rail and state of the art signaling . Steam lasted so long in China for 2 reasons cheap labor and cheap coal as China has no oil. They have to import all of it. As their economy has grown over the last 30 years they have replaced steam with electrification and diesel electric locomotives as China can now afford to buy oil on the open market and import it. But their is still steam in operation in small quantities on coal mines and steel mills.

[@thomasboese3793]

There is "one" locomotive that I personally would love to see restored to full former glory. The Union Pacific's 9000 class, 4-12-2. Yes, absolutely the longest "fixed" wheel base of any locomotive in North America and those 12 drivers driven by three (3) cylinders, for an odd ball chant under power. The "little" 4-12-2 may just be a low step up the ladder to the Big Boy but I feel it was an important one as Alco & Union Pacific's next collaboration of expanding power was the 4-6-6-4 Challenger which fixed the little flaws it had.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Not sure if any of those locomotive still exist somewhere. They have a five axle locomotive there at Cheyenne but I’ve never seen one of the six axle locomotives. That would be something!

[@thomasboese3793]

Only one, the UP 9000, is preserved at the Los Angeles County Fairplex in Pomona, California. The other 87 are gone. Would love to have two in N-Scale.

[@OriginalBongoliath]

Toy Man Television They have the 4-12-2 in the same place as the Big Boy in Pomona, CA.

[@ToyManTelevision]

OH!! I seen the dude! (tommy Chong) Sure, I remember now. What a collection!!

[@dennisb9157]

If UP 9000 is considered for restoration, finding mainlines she can traverse will be tricky, considering her long rigid wheel base.

[@billorights1469]

I played on that train when I was little kid. My parents helld horse shows at Pomona fair grounds, so boring for a kid.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Here horseey!!! I like horses but, ya, a Big Boy way less boring!!!!

[@844Steamtrain]

You've got some great videos here, Toy Man Television! I have seen tons of preserved American steam trains throughout the country. Have you ever visited N&W 611 and C&O 614 in Virginia? Or Santa Fe 2926 in Albuquerque, New Mexico?

[@ToyManTelevision]

No to all 3 dang it!! Want to. We have been talking to the 2926 guys. On our short list!! Virginia a bit far, but getting back to that area is also on our list. In a few week we are showing two modular railroads from Albuquerque. And a line or two from Buggs Bunny.

[@mijKO]

Hello I liked your video very informative! I saw you were wearing ford motor company shirts. Did you know that the Henry Ford museum in Michigan has an C&O Allengeny steam engine in it. The Allengeny class locomotive was heavier than the big boy and could pull more than the big boy despite having two less driving wheels! You should a video on that locomotive. I hear engine oil is still dripping from it!

[@ToyManTelevision]

mij7890 KO we do want to get there. Soon!!

[@torchandhammer]

A good time to visit is during the Old Car Festival that they have in Greenfield Village, adjoining the museum. It's Sept. 8 and 9 this year, 2018. They also have some running steam locomotives in the village roundhouse and you can ride the train.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Love too!!!!

[@sandberg_garage8437]

If you wanna know how they felt just look at the show Fast and Loud. At first it was really!? You really want to F***ING restore this!!!!!!!!!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hard to imagine right? The money came first. Someone who is remaining anonymous promised the funding. About 4 million as I heard it. May be wrong just what I heard. Then they went looking for an engine. Wow. And the winner is........everyone!!!!!

[@thehamelsduck1600]

Very awesome video. The Big Boy is just massive. Thanks to both of y’all for sharing such a great video.

[@ToyManTelevision]

It’s sooooooo huge. When it moves the ground moves too

[@thehamelsduck1600]

Toy Man Television thanks again.

[@sylvaindrasse4261]

The day they get the boiler certification will be a day of celebration. That certification is probably the biggest hurdle in the coming months. But seeing a Big Boy in steam again...

[@ToyManTelevision]

And it’s getting close. Not super close but there is light at the end of the tunnel AND it is a locomotive!!

[@pepapa1219]

These were engineering marvels. To think these were built by hand and no computers to design all the parts. A True piece of History

[@ToyManTelevision]

Robert Williams hi. And so close to being back together. They have been working on the front engine and last weekend the front truck. Soon they will roll the rebuilt front engine back under the frame!

[@jetgold]

great video folks well done those big boys are historic steam trains for sure. great quality video and audio work and best of luck on your channel.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Soon back on the road. Minnesota to Texas. Texas to California. And more!!!

[@robertemmons2260]

It's getting closer to completion. I cant wait to see the 4014 running under its own steam! I'll be like a kid all over again.

[@ToyManTelevision]

So close!!!!! First fire soon. Keeping it secret. We won’t know until after. Omaha wants to keep video in house. I’m fine with that, as long as it happens!!!

[@biscuitninja]

The same thing happened when Reagan brought back the battleships. All of the tooling was long gone, the barrels are 105 tons -EACH!

[@ToyManTelevision]

BOOOOOMMMMM!!! I had a friend years ago who was on the Oklahoma at Pearl. He was trapped inside. He said they woke up the the first torpedo hitting the ship. He said it felt and sounded exactly like the big guns firing. Some idea of what that sounds/feels like!!

[@raymondchason2877]

toy man i feel bad for the family and to the crew of the 844 i really hope thing work out for them this is really a bad break on the 4014

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yes, this really sucks. We all need to be aware of the risks. Then get out there and have fun.

[@Alex-cp2fl]

If you go to Strasburg, you can take the noon shop tour! There are 25 passes per day! They take you through the loco shed, and through the back shop...aka the restoration shop! (I work at the Strasburg Railroad)

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Wow!! Hope to meet you there!!

[@jonathanedwards4251]

1.6 million pounds and 6300 horsepower of pure mechanical sexiness.

[@ToyManTelevision]

It’s just beyond amazing. When the Challenger was running some friends and I decided to go chase it in Echo Canyon. One of the guys on the trip with say he just couldn’t understand we wanted to chase some stupid Steamengine around, but went with us anyway. We set up near the tracks with cameras and what not in about 15 minutes later the Challenger rumbled by at about 70 miles an hour. The ground shock. And after the dust cleared and we were covered our wits that same person stared at me and said OK I get it.

[@LarryWGrant-dw6jo]

Thanks for another great video! I appreciated the very helpful graphics included with the narration which really explained what is going on with the project. Fantastic coverage.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

The project of restoring the 4014 is beyond description.. The amount of work is surmountable... It will be great to see the Big Boy on the tracks again!

[@WWTBAMWinner]

Very informative video. Thanks for sharing your trip with us. I hate to correct people, but I was only able to catch one mistake. Big Boy's completion is to be in time for the 150th anniversary of the completion of the Transcontinental Railroad instead of Union Pacific. Union Pacific celebrated their 150th anniversary in 2012.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Right. I meant the completion of the up but it will never be complete. We hope!!

[@WWTBAMWinner]

"Original" UP would suffice.

[@JerkRice]

What an amazing piece of engineering. I would love to see one some day to appreciate the scale of the engines at the pinnacle of steam.

[@ToyManTelevision]

It’s really amazing to see something this large on the tracks. It will really be amazing to see it movie and 80 miles an hour under its own power.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Truly amazing! The size of the Big Boy is beyond description! Even at some distance.. It's difficult to capture the engine and tender in the same shot!

[@jayfmiller]

It is a statement of the American passenger rail that there is no way to get to the Cheyenne Depot Days via rail.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Sad truth.

[@garyritter9076]

Do you know if anyone ever produced a power kit for the Revel HO Big Boy kit?

[@ToyManTelevision]

Nope. Be really hard. Bowser made (makes?) a metal die cast kit. Started one about 30 years ago. Perhaps I should finish it!?

[@ncplantdoctor]

When the workers first saw this engine and the monumental task ahead of them, it would have been acceptable to just quit. I guess it is like the saying about "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time." What a job !

[@ToyManTelevision]

ncplantdoctor one thing crews really hatted was the size and therefore number of trains they could pull. One crew doing the work of 2. Or even 3. So they paid a bit more for running bigger locomotives. To keep the union from protesting to much. But men lost their jobs. And so it goes....

[@tonerotonero1375]

Very nice. Thanks a lot for the video showing far off enthusiasts the progress on such a marvel. It's really nice to see that some people take good care of this heritage and don't let it turn to rust. Kind regards from France.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks! SO glad the UP is willing to spend thin kind of money on these locomotives. So often the old is discarded in favor of... Nothing.

[@steveskouson9620]

How can someone let a Big Boy go through a flood? 4004 needs to be moved to higher ground! Great video, guys! My father used to go to Pocatello, many years ago, when a company called AMI was there. en.wikichip.org/wiki/american_microsystems steve

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

OMG!! i use to live in Pocatello, for a short while..(1977) and I worked at AMI!!! I had not been to Poky in years, when we made our trip up there, to see the 844 roll into town! I still remembered my way around, although there have been many improvements to the roads and bridges since I was there years ago! Our next trip was passing through Poky, on our way to see the eclipse! We ended up in Shelley, to see the total eclipse! Do not like the "new" counter-flow intersection on Yellowstone Ave, between Pocatello and Chubbuck! Both of these shows are documented here on the channel.. Do Watch! :D As far as someone letting a flood get to the 4004.... I guess it is where they have it in the park... Yeah... really... They could have placed it on higher ground.. It kind of sits in a hole in a park.. Let's hope that the water problem has been resolved!!

[@amandasmith5671]

articles.latimes.com/1985-08-03/news/mn-3219_1_cheyenne-flood No one "let" anything happen

[@TrainLordJC]

Having watched your screwing around videos for the past three years now I was looking forward to your update of the Big Boy. You certainly did not disappoint. Excellent narration with wonderful diagrammatic descriptions which help a great deal for us normal folk to understand how these amazing locomotives operate. I hope eventually that the 844, the Big Boy and the Challenger (when fully restored) will do some great snowy winter runs (like what we see many German steam locomotives are doing with some awesome excellent footage on KZbin). Keep up the good work. Always a pleasure to watch your excellent videos. Your style is unique, informative and well presented. Cheers from Australia

[@ToyManTelevision]

Would sure love to see these engines running in the winter! Especially on a misty day. The Challenger maybe some time off, but I’m hoping once they have the other two engines completely restored filter in there attention back toward it. Even though they completely rebuilt the firebox five 844, their work on the cylinders on the big boy has been so effective that they are now planning to put new cylinders on the 844 as well. But I’m assuming they will get to a point where the ultra clear both of those engines is good is there ever going to get out, and been perhaps we can get them back on the Challenger

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

It's difficult to describe the Big Boy.. as I don't believe there are words in the English Language that have been invented, to give credit to such a majestic piece of machinery, or it's workmanship! It definitely moves me on an emotional level.. Can't wait to see it up and running!!

[@crankbv1]

Karyn Felix-Angell. Quite some years ago someone invented the only word I know that adequately describes something as inexplicably awesome as a Big Boy locomotive. It's...Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. Sorry, but I just couldn't resist it.

[@btpcmsag]

@@karynfelix-the-Cat -- 4 months ago -- It's difficult to describe the Big Boy.. as I don't believe there are words in the English Language that have been invented, to give credit to such a majestic piece of machinery, or it's workmanship! It definitely moves me on an emotional level.. Can't wait to see it up and running!! -- Just wait for when it pulls into a station below 40 deg., with all the steam swirling around; if the PRESS doesn't come up with some new vocabulary, the Internet might take over, finally.

[@ovationpdh]

Thank you for explaining some of the workings of a steam locomotive. I really enjoyed this video.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks. Do share it if you would. And more coming.

[@Natedog-gd7ny]

As a kid, i climbed on this engine at the fairgrounds every year in pomona, i never knew the significance but seeing it moving after sitting there year after year is really awesome. Im glad I have that special connection with that engine. Cant wait to see the finished restoration.

[@ToyManTelevision]

AMAZING RIGHT??? Soon too.

[@btpcmsag]

@Natedog2400 --- Hey, maybe they'll let you hold the throttle! They should hold a raffle. Winner gets to take the Engineer's seat for 15 seconds.

[@williamgreen9307]

Awesome video and thanks my friends

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Thanks to You, as well!! :D

[@lhsboyproductions3446]

I can't wait to see her up and running again :3 Greetings from Poland! :) And great video :)

[@ToyManTelevision]

If they ever take it to Poland we will come along with! But they need a really big boat.

[@lhsboyproductions3446]

Toy Man Television The Big Boy will never come to because it is too heavy for European tracks. If it ever came to Europe and ran here. It would probably destroy every switch and brigde

[@patmancrowley8509]

Thank you both. This was VERY interesting. I've been a fan of the Challenger series but do so enjoy the Big Boy's at every opportunity.

[@ToyManTelevision]

We love that challenger! Hope to see it back on the rails in 2022. People often ask what is the difference between the big boy and the Challenger. What a grand way to demonstrate that by double heading the two!!

[@ulyssesgrant4324]

I hope it comes out before 2020 and I hope 838 will be fixed

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Us too!!

[@mikeklaene4359]

Luckily I live only 40 miles from Strasburg - both the RR and the railroad museum of PA.

[@ToyManTelevision]

COOL!!!! Wanna see the area.

[@kenbred46]

I sure hope UP made a full documentary of the restore start to finish.

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@Kent B hello how are you doing

[@richardmattingly7000]

The Forney Big Boy sat at the old Denver Tramway Powerhouse for decades when it housed the museum along with a number of other engines and a Rotary Plow. The 4005 was the only Big Boy to try out fuel oil to fire the boiler and was involved in a fatal accident that killed the Engineer/Fireman. She was struck from behind by another train and it drove her tender into the cab and knocked the massive locomotive onto its side. The engine was repaired then put back into service and when it was moved to its newer location the 4005 and its companions coupled together and took track from behind it hopscotch it's way along the Platte River. I helped move its collection of exhibits and still have my Volunteer T Shirt somewhere and today's Forney Museum is a popular destination for train/transport fans.

[@ToyManTelevision]

COOL!! Yes you can still find damage from the wreck. I remember when they painted it like a german locomotive!! Red running gear. GAG. THe new museum is GREAT!!!!!

[@rogerwhittle2078]

As I mention way back up in the thread, I saw 4005 at the Forney museum, when it was out the back in what had been a yard. This was 1988 and I rushed over there with my kids when I heard there was a Big Boy in Denver. I got that from the guy in the Denver Railroad Museum. Years later, I heard another story about 4005. Back in the late 80's and early 90's, there was a unique, commercial narrow gauge railway in Dobwalls, Cornwall. It was a beautiful 'double layout' 7 1/4" gauge layout, based around 'Sherman Hill' and the 'Toltec Tunnel' and all the locomotives were beautiful steam or diesel based on American prototypes. They had FEF-3 types (Queen of Nebraska?) and several other 4-8-4 engines, plus D&RGW 2-8-2's like 'Otto Mears'. The pride of the fleet was 4-8-8-4 Class 4000 'William Jeffers' 4008. The Big Boy was simply gorgeous and we used to wait in line to ride behind it. Even a 7 1/4" gauge model was huge. The Dobwalls Railroad was owned and operated by John Southern and his family. Sadly it closed in 2006 and the beautiful models scattered around the world. The William Jeffers went to Australia and seems to have disappeared. In about 1990, I spent a little while between trains, talking to John Southern and I told him we had seen 4005 in '88. His reply was; "We thought about buying that loco and bringing it back here!" (To Britain.) He too had seen it and, like all the other steam nerds in UK, couldn't understand why it hadn't been restored and given some track to run on. Engines in far, far worse state than 4005 had been dragged out of Dai Woodham's yard in Barry, South Wales. I could name dozens. It could never have run on any existing British track, because it simply wouldn't fit, so the best Southern could have hoped for, was to lay a few hundred yards of standard gauge track on his land. Having seen the exquisite workmanship and effort Ed Dickens and his team at UP are putting in to 4014, it it easy to see why John Southern gave up on the idea of 'stealing' 4005.

[@Romans--bo7br]

Richard Mattingly..... Sorry, but the 4005 Absolutely was NOT "....struck from behind by another train and it drove her tender into the cab and knocked the massive locomotive onto its side.". Yes, it did go onto its side (left - firemans side), and killed not only Leo Murry (hogger) and Lawrence ("Ed") Endres (the fireman) instantly, but also the head-end brakeman, Jim (James) Anderton who died two days later on Wed. April 29th (1953) from 2nd & 3rd degree steam burns over 80% of his body, prolonged severe shock (took over 10 hours to free him from the wreckage) and other complications.... twisted and severely broken left leg, foot and other bones. The conductor, James Walker and rear brakeman - Ivan Shurigar were fine and never hurt. there were 62 cars and the the caboose in the train and amazingly, the 18th car on back remained on the tracks with the 18th through 22nd cars receiving only very minor damage.... the rest of the train to the caboose sustained No damage at all. Jim Shurigar (conductor) walked back to the east and set 2 "torpedo's" to warn any possible WB traffic behind them that may not have gotten the emergency warnings from dispatch, although Shurigar had notified Rawlins And Cheyenne dispatch of the situation immediately upon walking up to the head-end and seeing the devastation, before walking back to set the Torpedo's. Ed Endres (the fireman) was only 23 yrs old at the time of the wreck and had just returned from two years in Korea, with the Railroad division of the US Army there. Leo Murry (hogger) was 46, married and had two young children (13 & 9) - daughter, Patricia & son, Michael. Jim Anderton (head-end brakeman) was 36 and a WW2 Vet, married and also had two young children - a daughter & son (Lola & Robert), 10 & 6 respectively. Long story - greatly shortened.... all this was caused by a section crew who were approached and asked by a sheep farmer for assistance in getting his herd of sheep (average was about 1,100 head in those days) across the UP tracks there, at Red Desert Siding..... and because the section man that the foreman placed at the sidings east end switch (the 4005 was an "Extra" west, from Rawlins to Green River that morning), was a Puerto Rican (Ralph Vicenti) with almost Zero ability to speak and understand the English language (in fact, they had to hire an interpreter to speak with him during the investigation hearings)... did Not Wait for the forman's hand signal - he opened the switch INTO the siding right in front of the 4005 (although he lied about it, saying that the foreman had opened it..... which "IF" were true... would have shown a visible open switch block signal, visible from nearly a mile away) - giving the head-end crew zero time to respond, and even though Leo "Big Holed" it, they entered the siding at 50mph!! The first 18 cars along with the engine and tender, derailed and the first 12 cars behind the 4005 and its tender were piled a reported 70ft high!! Mainline east/west traffic was at a halt for 9 full hours until they could get a shoofly built around the wreckage, and some of the WB traffic was re-routed out of Cheyenne on the D&RGW. It was a Very sad day for the UP, and Especially in the lives of the wives left without husbands and dads to those young families.... all because of (primarily) a Non - English speaking/understanding immigrant and a foreman who should NOT have put him in a place of such responsibility in the first place.... and a sheep farmer, who was just wanting to get his herd into another field, across the tracks. The full responsibility for the wreck and loss of lives was squarely placed on the Section man at the siding switch, and secondarily - the section Foreman who, otherwise... had followed all proper procedures in handling the entire situation leading up to the wreck, and after.

[@pinchy08]

I can’t wait till this iron giant runs under steam again. The Big Boy is one true ambassador of steam.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

You have said it all! Thanks for watching!!

[@TheDrummerman1951]

When you stand next to one Then you know how big they really are. Can't what to see that big guy run.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Just amazing. Unfathomable how huge.

[@georgescott1180]

Thanks for the update. I have been following the 4014 for some time. Be safe and have fun.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks!! More to come.

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@George Scott hello how are you doing

[@cbgadget4740]

What A great video of an awesome restoration.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Thanks!!

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@cbgadget hello how are you doing

[@Steven_Rowe]

Truly amazing. i think when it. Runs it may cause an earthquake. I would love to see it but am not in the US . Sir Nigel Gresley had a big engime policy and choose pacifics. His most famous being the A3s like Flying Scorsman and his famou A4 such as Mallard. Of course one the A4 class Dwight D Eisenhower is now preserved in the US and it is along side a UP bigboy. It would be good and amusingat the same time to see Gresleys vig engine alomg side a big boy.

[@ToyManTelevision]

I have been at trackside when the smaller challenger came by at speed. Unlike anything you have ever seen or heard or felt. The ground shakes. A blast of extreme heat. The noise is deafening. And then it’s gone.

[@Steven_Rowe]

Toy Man Television the challenger is big but the big boy is huge. The good thing about your video is the detail you showed. The firebox could hold a party and the sand domes were bigger than i could possibly imagine. The tenders held 25000 gallons of water, now many backyard swimming pools hold a lot less. I wonder what the restoration cost is??? That would be huge too.

[@davidreyes2298]

steven rowe they said it cost eight million

[@Steven_Rowe]

F40PH 307 Honestly, I think its worth it.This is history, its the penultimate example of the industrial revolution fromthe UK. To think that the very basic ingredients were in The Rocket, and at the other end of the scale American brute power beyond belief.

[@martinthatsall1518]

Can't have "most unique" it is either unique or it isn't. Otherwise, love the video.

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@Martin Halley hello how are you doing

[@alstokesveteranfilmmaker913]

Greetings from England. Excellent filming once again. I never really realized how big a Big Boy is (or was). So now I know. It's HUGE and nothing like we ever had on British rail systems; our bends are too sharp and being a small (in size) country we never had the need. Did I tell you, an uncle of mine was a fireman on mainline passenger trains (London/Liverpool) and said he always knew where he was by the sound the wheels made traveling over sets of points ... turnouts. Anyway, if I ever make it back over your side of the ocean I shall seek out your Big Beastie. Have fun Over There - Al xx

[@ToyManTelevision]

It will be a must see. Right from the beginning that was the difference between US and British locos. In the early days a British loco may be required to pull a short load of slate 50 miles, in the US a long load of iron ore 200 miles. It set the stage for the kind of development to come. Moreover, many of the English and Welsh lines had been around for several lifetimes before a steam engine chugged across it. Most of the rail system in the US. was built under these beasts. So keeping it small was not needed. Generally.

[@alstokesveteranfilmmaker913]

Yep, it was more the question of the difference in size of country and loads - a Brit' friend drove from the East to West Coasts and took the back roads so he could see more of your country. He said he was held up at a rail crossing and had to wait a long time for the train to pass, he wondered if someone was pulling a gag and the train was traveling in a gigantic loop. Just a quick aside; I found some make-upFX photos of that film we both worked on, "28 Days Later," and wondered if you'd like some 'continuity' pictures. These were taken by the make-up folk so they could keep track of my blood and gore. Delightful. The make up on my chin was sugar based and an AD said if I lost energy, lick my lips and I'll get the biggest sweet rush of my life.

[@athopi]

I liked 28 Days Later and the other one, I think it was 28 Months Later? UK has a few good zombie movies. Another, I saw only once and can't remember the title was very mood setting. In the plot, a girl ends up out in the country because of family strife, then the zombie thing happens and the army was killing the infected, but they made brutal mistakes as well. Wish I could see it again as I don't recall all of the details but do remember the impression it left.

[@alstokesveteranfilmmaker913]

athopi cus : I only appeared in '28 Days Later', near the end and died of Rage. The second film was '28 Weeks Later' in which I didn't appear because I'd already died in the first. I'm glad to see you wrote 'Infected' because a load of people kept insisting we were zombies who have returned from the dead. Which we hadn't. The production company sent us loads safety booklets, because they were filming from a helicopter flying below (minimum safety height) at 500ft, and the best bit I remember from that was what to do if an aircraft is about crash near you; lay on the ground and cover your head with your hands until all the wreckage stops flying about - which we were already doing for the shot. Eeeek! Just goes to prove actors will do anything to get an end credit. Thanks for your interest - Al

[@ToyManTelevision]

I was at the premier of 28 days later at Sundance. (I used to work for Sundance shooting video) They shot it with cheep DV video cameras, about 25 of them, so they could go out at first light before people were around, get off one action from 25 cameras and by then the traffic hit. Same thing next morning.

[@fanatichighdesertrailroader]

There are two people that could talk for hours and I would listen to. Ed and Bob Gurr.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Isn't that the truth! They are both passionate about what they do!

[@kuhndj67]

I hope that UP advertises and creates an event for when she's complete and is back under steam. I'd happily travel to WY to see that.

[@ToyManTelevision]

I’d love to see an event at the Evanston roundhouse as they are just finishing that too. Big Boy will pass through there on its way to Ogden. Hum.......

[@jamesshanks2614]

The UP has the Big Boy scheduled to be at promontory point on May 19th, 2019 which is the 150th anniversary of the east meeting the west. It is The reason for the Big Boy being rebuilt. My congratulations to the officers of the Union Pacific Railroad and the CEO for making the long term commitment to the steam program to invest literally millions of dollars to restore a Big Boy. This also includes rebuilding the steam shop back to a full fledged steam shop. That project alone took several million to complete as they have to convert the former steam shop back to a steam shop from a diesel shop. Just the environmental work required a lot of work due to the flying rat aka: pigeons. The diesel shop had a suspended ceiling that had been in place for many years and when Jim stuck his head up through one of the panels to look around he realized he needed to take down the suspended ceiling very soon as a few panels had already fallen due to the weight of the pigeon poop collected over the years. Plus other debris from the flying rats. Yes they were a problem in the steam era but there droppings fell on the floor where it was swept up. By removing the suspended ceiling it also makes it simpler and easier to run steam inside the engine house under steam. Then there is the acquisition of a lot of machine parts and tools to replace what the UP threw out from the steam era as they felt they wouldn't need them again. They now have the capability of rebuilding any part of the locomotive's they maintain and operate. As it turned out even though the 4014 looked to be in the best condition of the 8 surviving Big Boys when they got into tearing her down they discovered she was in much worse shape than they thought. But now she is being reassembled albeit slower than we would like but remember they no longer have 800 plus people doing the work. They only have 9 people in the entire steam program. The last that I knew. That isn't a lot of people for what they are doing. That essentially means they are working 7 days a week until she is complete. And even then there is no guarantee she will be done in time. It however would not surprise me to see the UP bring in additional help to finish her on time and properly. That requires outside help who know steam and how to work on it. That doesn't mean I'm throwing water on the work being done, it simply is one hell of a project for the crew to complete on time and if they run short of time they just might get outside help or stay within the UP shop forces that get additional help as there is a lot of bull work to do. With such a small shop force if they do bring in additional help from UP shop forces there will be one or two experienced steam men directing the extra shop forces to reassemble the Big Boy. Think of it this way. It's the worlds largest zig saw puzzle to put together on time and getting it right the first time. I sincerely hope there will be a videographer in the engine house once final reassembly begins. To all working on the biggest project since the end of steam may she go together easily and well.

[@TwistedMinds69]

amazing display of high technology workmanship. just amazing to watch go down the track.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Can’t believe what they are up against. But just getting it done. One thing at a time.

[@raulduke6105]

Just visited 4017. Can’t wait for a BB to awake

[@ToyManTelevision]

Coming right along too. Let’s hope they get it done for the 150th

[@ritaloy8338]

Another great piece of screwing around. But it was your video of the Big Boy 4014 that has provided me the opportunity to do some of my own screwing around of my own by watching and the both of you commenting on the two of you screwing around. The Big Boy 4014 videos is why I subscribed to your videos in the first place. Now I look forward to any and all of your videos as they come out.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Awww... Thanks! Being alongside all three Big Boys on this trip was just amazing! Their size alone is just a bit intimidating. Describing these giants is nearly impossible! Just trying to envision the fire in the fire box, and the heat that would be radiating off from it's massive boiler, is just beyond my imagination! I really can't wait for the 4014 to be under it's own power, and rolling down the tracks! And by golly... We will be there!!

[@FranzFerdinandVIII]

Rita Loy same here 🚂🚂🚂

[@f1matt]

What a great video! So much to see! And I loved getting into the technical detail of the Big Boy. Really liked this longer video.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks!!! We sure have fun with Ed and the Big Boy. Please share!! Love to see it getting out there.

[@detroitredneckdetroitredne6674]

I wish I could tag along with you on some of your adventures Wow great show thank you

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

You Tube is the "next best thing to being there"! :D Keep tuning in every Sunday!! Of course... Don't forget to experience your own adventures! Some of our most fun times, are right in our own neighborhood! Thanks!!

[@azdrawdy]

Fantastic video. Enjoyed every minute of it!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Working on a new big box video. Footage UP told me to not show. But now that the loco is out there they are not concerned so I may have a green light to show it. More shop video. Making parts, installation of wheels, bringing the two locomotives together.

[@raymondchason2877]

toy man since they to stop to work on the 844 how much time did it delay on with the bigboy

[@ToyManTelevision]

It really took a slice out of the big boy schedule to completely rebuild the firebox on 844, but the decision was made that even if it me up with the big boy wouldn’t be ready for 2019, they just couldn’t have 844 out of service for any amount of time. They didn’t completely stop working on the big boy but for the most part did well they got 844 completely restored. The good news is they learned so much on rebuilding the firebox for 844 that they’re going much faster on the big boy And many have said they would never be able to get 3985 running again because the damage to the firebox is so expensive, but because of what they learned on 844 they now assume that the Challenger will almost be easy.

[@dennisb9157]

Toy Man Television I agree. Considering all 3 steamers use (used) the same size tender, they will have very similar construction.

[@drgw489productions]

It’s great on how for many years someone finally wants to help restore a great train. If you put your mind to it you can accomplish anything. You should check out ATSF 2926 in Albuquerque NM, a Baldwin 4-8-4 northern if you are ever around

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

That is definitely on our list!

[@jaxweber0546]

Maybe steam engines will once again replace to Diesel engines

[@ToyManTelevision]

I doubt it but in the 90’s there was a new steam locomotive designed but never built the ACE 2000. A 21 century steam locomotive. Wonderful design but if a steam locomotive were to be a success it would need to be a steam turbine like the one we covered a few weeks ago on the collectors attic. Steam electric. Great idea but ahead of its time.

[@michaelgulko5269]

At 15:00 THE DATE OF 3/4/56. i WAS BORN ON THAT DAY!

[@ToyManTelevision]

COOL!!!!!!!

[@brucec954]

Great video on the inner workings of a steam locomotive. Would be great to do a video on visiting the 150th anniversary of the Golden spike. I checked the NPS website but not much info yet. I assume it will be really crowded so what's the best way to see it?

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

We are thinking.. Long distance drone??? I'm guessing to arrive early.. and leave late. Bring a sleeping bag and water. We are veteran "Eclipse" goers... So large groups of people only amuse us! But, Hey! It only took us 5 and a half hours to drive from Pocatello, to Salt Lake City, on the return trip! The strange up-side to the 150th Golden Spike Celebration... There will be those, who will show up to Promontory Point, instead of Promontory Summit.. and their biggest concern will be how to get out of the Lake!

[@ChipmunkRapidsMadMan1869]

We have one in Green Bay at the Railroad Museum. It is so beautiful, I've wanted to see it moving someday. But, May 10th is my birthday too. I'll be in Cheyenne.

[@jamesshanks2614]

Just as a matter of info the firebox on a big boy is 150 square feet of grate area. Not 200 feet. Forward of the grate area is the combustion area that you probably figured into you 200 foot statement. I'm a retired engineer and ran steam from 2 foot gauge to the last one I ran was ATF 1 an ex Reading Railroad 4-8-4 built at the Reading, Pennsylvania shops in WW II out of 2-8-0 engines. They were built as dual service locomotives both passenger and freight service.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yep if you listen to it again I say 200 ft.² of firebox 150 feet of which is grate.

[@gandalfthegrey7874]

Gotta love it when people try to correct someone but end up looking stupid because they didn't pay attention from the get go

[@Kmaster2007]

I got to see the wheels in Strasburg, I took the shop tour on August and they hadn’t started (Some things to do there....shop tour...hustling tour where they start up the steam engines...the train ride...watch trains at leaman place at the end of the Strasburg where they interchange with Amtrak and Norfolk southern...and the museum across the street) (I live an hour away so I go a lot)

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

It's our goal to visit PA... Soon! There is so much history there.. and the Strasburg Museum is on our list of places to visit!

[@shailashelu8075]

Excellent work!

[@vincentcalvelli6452]

Thanks Karin and Dale for another cool video. Do you know if U.P. Has come lan to run excursion trip with the Big Boy?

[@ToyManTelevision]

Many. I'm sure it's dance card is already filling up. Everyone will want to see it.

[@jamesshanks2614]

UP plans to schedule many trips hauling passengers in addition it has plans to haul freight with the engine. If you remember several years ago the challenger hauled 143 cars of seagoing containers at the request of the shipping company. I don't know it for sure but I'd be willing to bet they will request the UP schedule the big boy to haul one of its trains. I suspect their will be plenty of work for the big boy more than they want or need. But remember they will operate the big boy to California plus run a couple of trains for the museum in Pomona, California which was agreed to before they sold the big boy to the UP.

[@LittleDragonProductions]

I spent quite a bit of time in the 4014 cab during the LA County Fair every year where they had staff on hand to monitor people and let them really explore. They had a air compressor hooked up to the bell and whistle, so you could hang your head out the window and blow the whistle to your hearts content. The 4014 was chosen for restoration because it was the only engine without boiler covers and asbestos covering. Since that had all been removed years ago, most likely due to California regulation, the engine was prime for restoration. The people who run the Pomona museum were traded a few diesel's for the big boy because they find children to be disconnected from the steam engines, which is a wild idea in my mind. So now they only have one really nice steam engine on display, which is a real shame. LA doesn't really have a great train museum and even the Sacramento one isn't great. Thanks for the great video and lets hope they get the re-build finished soon!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Also they could get this one. No one wanted to give up their big boy. Why would they? But the Pomona guys slowly came open to the idea largely because they can remain involved and use the restoration and the finished locomotive the rase funds. We bought toys and shirts from them at Cheyenne. In some ways it’s still their toy. They get to be as close as any will be not part of the UP crew. Win win.

[@Bigbuddyandblue]

How about a front view camera to see what’s ahead?

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

That is a really great idea!!

[@100SteveB]

I am from the UK, and i remember one of my first books when i was a kid was all about the great steam loco's of the world. And of course the Big Boys had their own pages in the book. I could not believe just how big they were! So good to think that one of these giants will soon run again on American rails. But i find it a shame that they have to convert her to run on oil, one of the things i love so much about preserved steam loco's is the smell of the burning coal - nothing beats it!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Agreed on the coal!! At the Golden Spike Historic Site the 2 locos they built were designed to run oil. Old used motor oil from the air field in Ogden. A Baldwin should NOT smell like an old Chevy with bad rings!! (and/or valve guides, pick your choose) So about 15 years ago they were converted to run proper fuel, wood on the 119, coal on the 60. AH THE SMELL!!! One can close their eyes, stand on the track, and be able to tell witch loco is about to kill you by running over you just by the smell!! So stand to one side, keep your eyes open and enjoy the smells!! (coal is the best)

[@jamesshanks2614]

The reason for the switch to oil on the big boy is they when hauling a mile of freight would consume 26 tons of coal in 25 miles, when new several times the engineer had to cut the train off and run light engine to the next coaling station, they were located roughly every 25 miles and shortly the UP decided to raises the top of the coal bunker on the tender to add three to four tons of coal capacity which prevented them from running out all the time but it wasn't unusual to arrive at a coal station with less than a ton of coal left 26,000 gallons of water was almost gone by then as well. Even through a water spout fed from an 8 inch line it still took near ten minutes to refill the tender with coal and water. There is also a big risk of setting line side fires with coal and by switching to oil they can simply pull up to a diesel rack and say fill it up. Or have a truck meet them enroute which is usually the way she's refueled. Cheers

[@ToyManTelevision]

They tried oil back i the 50's and it cost sooooooo much more than coal, and didn't work as well. Today they have no choice. There is just no way to haul 30 tons of coal to a location, use a front loader and spend the next 2 hours loading coal. Add in the fires.... They ran the Challenger on Coal for over 10 years after it was restored but it rarely got very far from home. So with the Big Boy there is just no option. The trick it getting it to work well when back in the 50s it didn't work well at all.

[@robertseip210]

Excellent video! I had the privilege of watching the 4014 roll into Cheyenne in May 2014 (a harsh Wyoming spring day, btw), an absolutely unforgettable sight. I have promised myself to head west when it thunders again under its own steam, no matter what. You mention Strasburg, PA...and yes, you must get there for the experience. No big boy (there's one at Steamtown in Scranton), but literally tons of other interesting trains & stuff. There is a tiny Reading Co yard engine on display that my father, who just passed away, personally worked on in the late 1940's. Keep up the great work - very professional and entertaining!

[@rickzinck9326]

thanks for the tour guys. Very cool!

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

You are very welcome!! Thanks for watching!!

[@lgrfbs]

Will 4014 be running ready the 10th?

[@ToyManTelevision]

Wow. It’s close! Selling tickets for thousands per seat. So I hope they don’t need to give a refund!! They are confident they will be ready in 3.5 days. But boy do they still have work to do.

[@ПетарМилковски]

Will the Big Boy 4014 pull freight like in the old days,or he will just be like a tourist attraction?

[@ToyManTelevision]

Both. They have some plans to pull some special freight just for publicity. But mostly special passenger.

[@ПетарМилковски]

Then he will be placed in the steam shop again like the 844 or he will be on active duty every day like the diesels?

[@burlingtonbill1]

Very nice job, guys! Wish I could have been there to see it and the train show.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yes, it was great!! Next year the loco should be finished!! Or so we hope.

[@shoe2241]

great video!!! thanks for making this!!!

[@ToyManTelevision]

You are welcome! More soon! 4014 will be on the road again soon!

[@TheCraughan]

Great video lots of information about how the Big Boy works well presented. I hope to be able to see the Big Boy next year after I retire and can screw around as you put it.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Sounds like a good solid plan to me!! Thanks for watching!!

[@tumbi100]

Fantastic ,,cant beat the old timers......

[@ToyManTelevision]

So close now. UP will soon have the huge announcement that they fired it up. Really soon.

[@HarryWarren1223]

The Strasburg Rail Road and the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania are really great attractions in Strasburg, PA. I would also recommend that you travel to Altoona, PA, the Horseshoe Curve, and see parts of the Northeast Corridor if you were ever to make a trip out to Pennsylvania.

[@ToyManTelevision]

On our list. Horseshoe curve is legendary

[@stevemellin5806]

About 8years ago i went in the fire box when it was at the LA county fairgrounds very huge they had a air compressor hooked up to the whistle lots of fun can't wait to see it on the rails thank you for the update you guys have a great week

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Amazing.. Isn't it???

[@trainandlightguy]

Great video! I'm only about an hour away from Strasburg and it's always great to visit there to be able to see the museum and the Railroad. I have a few friends who work at the Railroad and I have a few friends who volunteer at the Museum. I always enjoy visiting there! Hopefully you guys will have the chance to come over to visit someday! We're very fortunate to have such a wonderful collection of locomotives and rolling stock at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Really want to! We were hoping to this summer but looks like not. Dang!!! So much there!

[@trainandlightguy]

Yes, there is alot over there! Hopefully you guys can make it out next year sometime!

[@drgw4883]

D&RGW #168 and #223, RGS #20, UP #4014. Can anyone else name a few?

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Very good. What a legend! Can't wait to see the 4014 running!

[@mr.saltymelons756]

wow this is awsome i thought is this a game? because it was like update but this is cooler thx for this vid!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks. Soon we will se it under its own power

[@mr.saltymelons756]

Toy Man Television oh exciting!! cant wait to see it!

[@gleanerk]

Rocky and his friends 😂😂😂! Thanks for sharing!

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

LOL! Thanks!!

[@joenecki]

ALCO UP #4014 made in Schenectady New York, ALCO also made the UP #844 as well best locomotives made

[@sthier24]

Great video....thanks for sharing

[@ToyManTelevision]

Fun to see it. Amazing

[@DaveBassTrekker]

If you ever do get to Strasburg, Pa. I highly recommend riding the Strasburg RR as well as trips to the Pennsylvania RR Museum and The Choo Choo barn. Probably worth your while to go to Reading to see the modeling of anthracite railroading at Roadside America, too! One little thing, "Strasburg" Pa. is pronounced like "strazzburg" .

[@shanemyoutubeshit]

I hope U.P. Will take all their operable locomotives (E units, 844, 4014 at that time.) To the golden spike 150th ceremony.

[@ToyManTelevision]

I know 844 is planned. 4014 on the plan but it depends. Not sure what else is planned.

[@thegoldenminer4399]

I have actually gotten on the big boy durin construction

[@ToyManTelevision]

It’s really something to see isn’t it??

[@thegoldenminer4399]

It was almost impossible to take a pic of the whole thing in the shed

[@markrogers4765]

thx so much Scranton Pennsylvania around STEAM TOWN in this area this is such a great vid

[@johnrees5867]

Wow,...... what a great video, our biggest steam locomotive in the UK was the 9F buillt for British Railways in the 1950s the wheel configuration is a 2-10-0 designed for heavy freight trains a number have been preserved and are in action on a number of private preservation sites throughout the UK,............... i look forward to seeing your Big Boy in steam next year.