BIG GAINS!! Mustang Dark Horse SCREAMS with Long Tube Headers!!

[@juanrivas494]

Dude the amount of money you spend & the assets that you have should net you a lot more subscribers. A truly underrated Channel.

[@ItalianStallion410]

Facts

[@JacesOwnWorld]

You don't understand business. He could spend a million on his Mustang, but that won't gain him more subscribers.

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@JacesOwnWorld maybe you should try a mustang instead of a a GTI 😬 more people buy mustangs cause they are just better 😊

[@stepsimpson2815]

@@ItalianStallion410💥 BOOM 💥

[@BillNyeX69]

I mean, you're right. You can spend all the money you want, but that doesn't guarantee any return on investment. ​@JacesOwnWorld

[@sergebasque8460]

Thanks! For doing this test ported and non ported.😊👏👍

[@ItalianStallion410]

Welcome 🙏🏽

[@3rdave]

Man I am in love with these damn dark horses!!

[@ItalianStallion410]

I love mine

[@paulabes4220]

@@ItalianStallion410 I love mine to but mines black but has the blue ball shifter.

[@paulmichaelssalon]

At least the headers gave you more power. Sounds good! 100K! Lets Go!

[@ItalianStallion410]

🫡🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@Sammy32457]

@@ItalianStallion410when you said pulleys what did you mean by that like underdrive pulleys?

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@Sammy32457 yeah and water pump one also I did them on Apollo to

[@Sammy32457]

@@ItalianStallion410 what pulleys would be good to swap out besides water pump?

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@Sammy32457 the balancer I put a innovators west one on Apollo and it helped a lot

[@Spyke_5.0]

Sounds money and never hurts to add 🐎

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks Mike

[@timgenz2849]

Stally, doing some great gains 💯, so basically leave the manifold and get a tune when available with the headers

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah that’s the plan

[@gordydexter2615]

Jake great video Brother!!! Thanks for the info!!!! Good to see the gains with headers. StangMode added AWE Catback exhaust and picked up 10 rwhp. Steeda did a video where they picked up 10 rwhp with an H-pipe but no improvement with the X-pipe which is the opposite results on the S550. I went to a seminar where Ford engineers confirmed a plus up with the H-pipe but zero with the X-pipe. They explained why based on the manifold & different exhaust on the S650. I was told that by July we should be able to tune. Cheers‼️👍💪🇺🇸😎🇺🇸

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks brother and I think I am gonna order a H pipe and see if it will make more power!

[@Dherpy]

Does the awe Catback have an h pipe? I got the corsa Catback on mine but it has x pipes

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@Dherpy you can prolly get either one

[@midnight347]

Was told by who? I don't think tuning is coming for these cars. Clearly vmp felt that way too regardless of what they say or don't say the fact they partnered w Whipple for the 24 is very telling. That tells me that they can't do a tvs for the 24 because tuning isn't available (and likely isn't coming) outside of Ford approved tunes which suck. It's not a matter of figuring something out you just flat out cannot tune outside Ford approved tunes. They can see if they're tampered with remotely and even flag it if it is running a non approved tune. I don't think tuning is coming outside of what you have. People keep hoping is but I think it's a pipe dream. I'm very curious who told you we would be able to tune by summer meaning you can have anyone tune it not just Ford approved bs.

[@midnight347]

What I meant about the vmp Whipple thing is everyone is forced to partner with Whipple because they're the only one w ford's blessing for tuning. The only forced induction option is Whipple and its going to stay that way as long as tuning isn't available outside of Ford approved tunes which Def seems to be the case. Vmp had

[@kellymeade4587]

Amazing what headers can do for the Dark Horse! FORD definitely did some changing up on the exhaust with the heads!!! Great video, bro!

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thank you!

[@stephenomallie1659]

Sounds good.

[@billysimpson1652]

Dark horse sounds great Jake

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks man

[@michaelwalker8870]

Sounds just like the '08 Ford GT, quite impressive.

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thank you!

[@wesd2845]

Great video Jake! On the Mach's, my tuner had a Mach 1 identical to mine on the dyno 10 minutes before mine and only difference is the other Mach head Kooks headers and I had a H-Pipe pipe and he made 17 more WHP than me and I was pulling a little timing. I can't wait to see what your was eyes with a tune and e85.

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks for the info! Thats sick

[@S55088]

Yo that thing sounds like a gt350, what kind of headers are installed?

[@ItalianStallion410]

Kooks headers

[@stevebailey10]

That rofo is right near me and I pick up my DH next week.

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@stevebailey10 hell yeah congrats brother

[@slayedslyr]

Phone getting blown up on the highway, thought I was getting messaged at first till I realized it was yours blowing up. Sounds great man love the vids.

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks brother 💪🏽🇺🇸

[@christiancarvalhais6294]

Sheeesh she sounds amazing. I’ve done resonator delete with an H pipe on my Mach1 but I feel like isn’t loud enough yet 😛. I like the deeper tones tho, any recommendations?

[@ItalianStallion410]

You did right with doing the H pipe

[@dbwmotorsports8695]

Welcome to torque based ecu limiting. Gives you a few extra ponies and then adapts to hit its torque limit target.

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah we noticed that

[@GrabberSmurf]

Would love to see more exhaust clips…I really want to do this setup one day

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@GrabberSmurf I can make that happen

[@Lx_7mood]

interesting numbers without tune !! wondering how it stands up now against GT350 ...

[@ItalianStallion410]

One way to find out 😎

[@MyCalculatedRandomness]

From one content creator and Dark Horse owner (Very similar spec) to another, thanks for excellent upload. Currently looking into NA options or the stage 2, Whipple. Having said that, these headers definitely seem to be well worth it and might be the next upgrade. Cheers ...

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks brother!

[@MyCalculatedRandomness]

@@ItalianStallion410 Welcome bud! Cheers

[@maxpowers1550]

I wonder if you put the KN cold air intake kit it would make a difference with ported manifold, you get more HP.

[@ItalianStallion410]

I wanted to test that next but I haven’t got one

[@905cavillac2]

Safe travels my dude, cant wait for the Pony content #roadtoahundredk ✌️

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks bro

[@commycomentor9695]

Great video!! Appreciate the effort and sharing

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks for watching!

[@landinrautenkranz6499]

Ok so what ur saying is hold off on the manifold and purchase the 10k supercharger. Done

[@user-bk5ey9ws5g]

Nice results. Do you have a check engine light after headers with green cats. untuned. I have a s550 untuned and wanted to add kooks w/ green cats. But don't want to throw a check engine light. I'm guessing I would have to do a tune 😅or is there a way around it.

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah my light came on later but I keep clearing it

[@jordanmanzo23]

That’s why I’m worried about getting the headers . I’m still under ford warranty. I have plans of adding the whipple thru ford but I’m not sure if I should get the headers first. Car shop guy tells me I should go straight to the whipple since there isn’t a tune for the dark horse yet so my question is will the whipple tune the car with the kookz installed

[@jakecrawford5313]

Get the soler ported throttle bodies. No tuning necessary. Have a 91mm on my GT350 and is fantastic

[@ItalianStallion410]

Might do that next

[@50_ANNIE]

That thing sounds amazing!!!

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thank you!

[@hds8182]

Has anyone tested if removing the carbon traps actually give any whp also does it change the induction sound when removed? I just picked up my 24 gt and was thinking of getting the k&n but some people say they arent worth it. Any info is appreciated

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah remove them it will help

[@justa3v619]

You won’t really gain much from a ported manifold without a tune. With a tune you can rev the car higher to take advantage of the airflow from the ported manifold. Usually they are good for 5-7rwhp on lightly modded cars

[@cartertims9087]

Hi. Do you have any rubbing issues with the Kooks against your steering shaft during accelerated right hand turns?

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@cartertims9087 yeah I had to shave down my steering shaft a little

[@cartertims9087]

Okay cool. Thanks! Guess that’s what I’ll do too.

[@jordanmanzo23]

If I get the whipple for my dark horse , will I have to tune it again when the tune for the dark horse is finally out ? Also if I get the headers after the whipple would I need to whipple tune it again ?

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@jordanmanzo23 whipple sends you a tune and that you will have to ask them h can’t about the headers

[@hunnterful1]

Do you think adding twin turbos would be easier because of dual intakes? Kinda like a 300zx

[@ItalianStallion410]

I think so yes

[@RobertSchneider-l6u]

Great video, do those headers make a hissing sound? I used to have a 2010 camaro ss with kooks and after install it kinda made a hissing sound, im just wondering if its a kooks thing

[@ItalianStallion410]

No mine have never honestly could be a exhaust leak

[@dailylife3975]

You'll have to redo the dyno once you get it tuned and they raise the limiter cuz it'll make a lot more power to 8,000rpm

[@ItalianStallion410]

Oh yeah we will and I can’t wait

[@gordydexter2615]

Jake what tires did you go with replacing the TROFEO RS?

[@ItalianStallion410]

Michelin pilot 4s

[@SalWrld]

So you got the green cats kit. Can I get it without the cats on my s650 without any problems? What do you recommend? With or without the cats

[@ItalianStallion410]

I would go without cats

[@CCJMedia]

I know this video don't do justice to the sound of her but MAN! SOUNDS GOOD !

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah it really don’t it sounds insane

[@mannyarreola7891]

Does adding the kooks green catted headers give you any check engine light?

[@ItalianStallion410]

It shouldn’t but anything can happen

[@allstarvb]

Great gains without tuning 🤌

[@shaddiehadid7547]

I got a normal GT base with 3.55 gears i wonder what it'll do with 3.55s, What headers are you running and how much did they run you cause i may be a bit interested in them in then future, Im in florida so im pretty sure i can also run a catless header

[@ItalianStallion410]

I always run kooks headers they are the best to go with

[@L42776]

Bro keep posting consistently like you been doing holy hell content bussin

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks brother

[@silversixcreations]

Will the dark horse fit a cobra jet intake?

[@ItalianStallion410]

Prolly will just not the 2 throttle bodies

[@silversixcreations]

@@ItalianStallion410fuck it put a cobra jet on probably damn near 480-500 hp

[@tylerolson5860]

​@@ItalianStallion410 Cobra Jet V2 thats out IS for 2 TBs.

[@Division_Agent_]

Question: When installing the headers, do the shop go from underneath, or do they have to pull the motor out?

[@ItalianStallion410]

Underneath and drop the k member

[@Division_Agent_]

@ItalianStallion410 thank you very much. I went with the stainless Works Redline complete system with x-pipe

[@StockTurboN20]

Dude it sounds like a Voodoo that’s insane 😂

[@ItalianStallion410]

It really does it’s more crazy in person

[@StockTurboN20]

@@ItalianStallion410 videos never do it justice that’s a sick car I could only afford the new GT with the Performance pack it’s still fun but not a dark horse

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@StockTurboN20 congrats on the new GT still a badass car

[@StockTurboN20]

@@ItalianStallion410 thank you it’s great so far certainly faster than my 320 I’ve had that thing since new in 2016 she’s getting old and I wanted a V8

[@Dom2.0]

Are the carbon traps removed from the intake tubes?

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yes

[@chuckluperful]

Im not throwing stones at all but dang, my 12 gt 6 spd. fbo + comp stg 2 cams and a dyno tune put down 48? & 412

[@ItalianStallion410]

Nice!

[@GojirasBreath]

Race the gt350 on a bumpy road. I couldn't get mine off the driveway without scraping. No issues with the darkhorse.

[@ItalianStallion410]

Mine is not to bad where I live

[@samuelbajich2180]

hey brother, sweet vids! Could you provide a link where you bought the headers??

[@ItalianStallion410]

Straight from kooks! I got them !

[@samuelbajich2180]

Sweet thanks. Don’t have one but definitely thinking about it. I been loving seeing yours and Brandon/Joels. If i get one im definitely going H pipe! 😂

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@samuelbajich2180 facts I might switch mine out soon just to experience it

[@deadstickfpv]

OH boy.. that sound is like🤪🤩😛

[@kennethcombs4419]

I did change my gearing I went with 3:73 change drive shaft one piece,Bmr upper and lower need I say more

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@kennethcombs4419 I have a one piece drive shaft I gotta put it on the car how does yours feel

[@tylerabusbah8819]

I would imagine the startup time could be fixed with a update if ford decides to invest there effort into it.

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah I think so

[@slowpok_5.067]

Great video sir

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks bro

[@RW-zh7kl]

Its not good how much some heat kills the power on these, i wonder if an Ethanol tune would help with that.

[@ItalianStallion410]

That’s all in the tune we can turn the fans on Alot sooner witch will help so much

[@Zander13Productions]

Were those kooks with the GESI Cats?

[@ItalianStallion410]

Kooks headers and high flow green cats the ones that are rated for like 800 wheel hp

[@JD-jn5we]

Did he try and go the other way and put in 27 degrees of timing?

[@ItalianStallion410]

No you can’t tune them yet

[@jaythewrapper239]

So ported manifold with a tune is how u get more power

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah gotta adjust cam timing

[@geesportingperfomance1831]

My porting dont need any of that and the results are there done 15 already with tbs also and all of them felt it instantly

[@jimmymccormick142]

The answer to getting HP out of the 650 is putting a whipper on l have seen 800 to the tires

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah but I like to see how much I can get out of it NA

[@dasBryon]

so is it for all the 2024's we cant go catless headers or just the Dark horse ?

[@ItalianStallion410]

If you make a pipe you can

[@dasBryon]

Bet

[@smoodyy]

Hey brotha you got a link to the headers you got?

[@ItalianStallion410]

No I don’t just kooks headers with the high flow green cats

[@alsdy9263]

What is your set up its long headres ans stock catback?

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah headers with a Steeda x pipe and stock mufflers

[@WineHouse33]

You look more like a German Stallion..lol. Sounds great

[@ItalianStallion410]

😂😂 thanks

[@Bat_Bond]

What headers did you use? Could you link the product

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@Bat_Bond kooks headers link should be in description

[@GTKozak]

🔥vid bro

[@ItalianStallion410]

💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

[@ScienceOnBears58]

Yo Jake you mind dropping a link to those headers?

[@ItalianStallion410]

kooksheaders.com/headers

[@mikenorton8588]

Once you get a tune and E85 and a true cold air kit, you will be well above 500 wheel Hp. 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ItalianStallion410]

Hope so!

[@kennethcombs4419]

For 70 grand on 85 you hope so…Heavy Junk😂😅😢

[@jwrice743]

Subscribed!

[@ItalianStallion410]

🙏🏽

[@landolovescars9390]

I will be in pits Wednesday we have to get a run in. 2020 ess on 93

[@wadeayoub9799]

What brand & type headers did you put on please?

[@ItalianStallion410]

Kooks headers

[@wadeayoub9799]

@@ItalianStallion410 thanks, are they long or short please? love your KZbin channel and learning a lot from you. I'm getting my Dark Horse in the second half of this year ( Sydney Australia ) and want to do the same as you.

[@astrocarmeets4805]

If you see this I'm a fellow darkhorse mustang do you get a check engine light with your headers?

[@ItalianStallion410]

You won’t get a light with the high flow green cats

[@astrocarmeets4805]

Sweet thanks for replying differently going to invest in those then. Yours sounds clean I got a double x on mine wonder how different they sound

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@astrocarmeets4805 I made another video comparing the 2

[@astrocarmeets4805]

​@ItalianStallion410 if it's the h vs x I already watched it. Super clean sounds but I love the x sounds more exotic

[@Coyote9smilespergallon]

I wrapped my headers all the way past where cats would be. Wonder if that would help IATs?

[@ItalianStallion410]

I am sure it did

[@Just_a_guy093]

Not a car guy but I took from you that ported intake is a waste of money.. unless you tune the car it does. Nothin. I’ll be grabbing that A1 carbon fiber shaft before I do the manifold

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah facts

[@mustangonthebrain]

Adam da man

[@ItalianStallion410]

Big facts

[@ETiradoRacing]

What size header? 1 7/8 or 2 inch?

[@ItalianStallion410]

1 7/8

[@eccentricorgan]

What brand are the headers?

[@ItalianStallion410]

Kooks

[@jdrezzy8297]

Does anyone in harford county install lowering springs?

[@ItalianStallion410]

Try galance I think the place is called heard it’s good

[@keithwalton]

Almost like ford knows how to design the intake, removing flow strakes is likely to make things worse. Where was the cooling on the dyno ? no wonder it heat soaked

[@ItalianStallion410]

We had fans on lol

[@CruisinCaptures]

Are these headers catted or catless

[@ItalianStallion410]

Had to do the high flow green cats

[@davidrodriguez1465]

So can us 2024 GT guys, can we run headers without having to tune it?

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yes

[@davidrodriguez1465]

Headers for the 2023 mustangs fit on the 2024?

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@davidrodriguez1465 no they are diffrent

[@kennethcombs4419]

You should always run a tune when you’re running bolt on’s,Who doesn’t tune there car. ?

[@chrisdragon7907]

5:30 another GD. Come on man

[@jmendozas197]

Crazy that you prefer this over the 500, but I can see how rowing gears can make the driving experience more fun.

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah it’s just feels more me

[@charleswhite5482]

What size kooks?

[@ItalianStallion410]

1-7/8th

[@charleswhite5482]

Sounds great! I have a Dark Horse as well, love the car don't understand the hate they are so much fun.

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@charleswhite5482 congrats on it bro and yeah I get so much hate for it people are just haters I love that car

[@kennethcombs4419]

Better acceleration than the 2 piece .Im running 93 octane with a water meth because I can’t get 85 nor do I need to.My car doesn’t see the track it’s just a street car.

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@kennethcombs4419 that’s sick good luck on the build brother

[@kennethcombs4419]

Never ends if you ask me,As long as you got the money there’s always something coming out for us to spend our money on,It’s kind of like an addiction in a good way.No matter how fast we think our cars are there’s always someone faster,But enjoy your car and be safe out there,Every time I take my car out there’s always someone who thinks there car is faster than mine,Sometimes I just don’t bother and then there’s times I just smoke them especially if there showing off with there girlfriend or wife

[@xrmerkur]

Ford engineering is closing the gap on aftermarket components. Tuning is the only hope to surpass today’s performance divisions of the American automaker. your GT500 had a similar reality on the long tubes.

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah but that’s a boosted car even when you build them the stock manifolds are just as good we tested that too

[@TsarHuayra]

I thought the Dark Horses make 500 horses stock from factory ?

[@beavisdoubleo76]

Crank Not wheel

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@beavisdoubleo76 💙🫡

[@GtFrank_5.0]

That’s crank , and right now after his mods he is at 535crank roughly

[@kennethcombs4419]

GT 500 makes way more tork and HP

[@denzel781]

Lol a 2016 350 would gap that dark horse stock for stock

[@ItalianStallion410]

A 2016 GT350 would also have motor failure

[@alexvaldez7317]

Let’s goooo

[@ItalianStallion410]

🫡🫡

[@00badcompany90]

Never been a White vehicle person.. but WHITE is by far the best looking color on the DH ! Beautiful car

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks brother white is just to clean

[@christiancarvalhais6294]

Aren’t radar detectors illegal in VA? Don’t you get in trouble for it?

[@ItalianStallion410]

In va yes but I live in Maryland

[@MrPrime269]

10 more hp from headers on the s650 vs the s550 and you still can’t tune them smh

[@DWH300]

Did you even watch the video? 33 horsepower with only headers. You can add a Whipple and push the horsepower to around 800 horsepower using the Whipple tune. Like the C8. I took around 1 year for tuning. Tuning for the Gen 4 Coyote will likely be available next summer getting the RPM to the maximum horsepower level of 7500+ along with E85 usage

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah it’s kinda crazy

[@MrPrime269]

@@DWH300 those videos are deceiving you can’t make that kind of power on just straight 93 without octane booster. With the displacement and compression of that engine you’re limited to 10psi on 93 anything over that the knock sensors will start to pull timing and detonation will occur

[@MrPrime269]

@@ItalianStallion410 serious question though. How are you feeling about the s650 platform so far honestly. Is there anything you feel that this car is capable of that your s550 with similar modifications can’t do.

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@MrPrime269 just from what I have seen from the headers I am very impressed I can’t wait tell we can turn them and put the Car on E85 and we can see what the car will really do

[@raceredbetty4514]

Run it 😂

[@ItalianStallion410]

Dm me on insta we can

[@domvandy7]

first

[@ItalianStallion410]

Let’s goooo

[@GOFASTDADDY]

Close

[@hummer8301]

450-460

[@Steveaustin007]

If you port the manifold….. port the cylinder head…..

[@geesportingperfomance1831]

No need for that

[@Steveaustin007]

@@geesportingperfomance1831 - especially when you put on a Whipple supercharger .

[@silversixcreations]

445-450? I guess

[@ItalianStallion410]

😏😏

[@scottyalmightyz2869]

Port the throttle bodies

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thought about it

[@geesportingperfomance1831]

@@ItalianStallion410send them my way

[@Viper_BTW]

Imagine paying $70,000 for 437HP. side note: watching the screens load for like 40 seconds. WTF is even that.

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thank for watching !

[@swmann2]

Ya, that thing is hideous. I bought a Foxbody instead for less than half the price and would smoke this pony. These cars sound way too raspy too, like a Honda Civic.

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@swmann2 lmaoooo

[@maxpowers1550]

@@swmann2A honda 😂, you must be 🧏 DEAF 🤣

[@maxpowers1550]

@charlie-gm1qm Why you hating , is it coming out your pocket 😂. Sweet dark horse congrats. Iam about to get kooks on my s650

[@lanegeisewite1436]

Z06 will shit all over it!

[@ItalianStallion410]

Thanks for watching

[@1989rs500]

I like Mustangs but I HATE Ford for making em this heavy, I used to drive S197s so I am used ti that 3500-3600 ish kerb weight, but this thing feels remarkably heavy and that feels really BAD. I ve driven Camaro SS 1LE 18 MY as well and I expected a lot from S650, so even though its making lot f HP its still not fast enough compared with SS and even the S550 Mach1

[@ItalianStallion410]

Yeah all the new tech makes them a lot more heavy

[@1989rs500]

@@ItalianStallion410 Sure, but I feel Ford could ve used more light weight tech than this Gen4 5.0. The Chevy Alpha platform for SS is a big proof, its lighter compared with S550 and much lighter than s650. S650s chassis is the issue not the engines side. Its chassis has too much steel which is good for stability but, I feel they could ve added more premium materials with more strength but less weight in relevant areas as Ford is the only brand making muscle cars for this era.

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@1989rs500 true but if prices of everything wouldn’t have been on such a rise I am sure ford woulda did more. And yeah they are the last muscle car standing so I can see it’s hard to check everyone’s box but in reality prolly 85%-90% of mustang people don’t care about the weight it’s only the 10% that race these cars

[@1989rs500]

@@ItalianStallion410 Yep, but I also don't race but coming from S197 and after spending lot f time in cars like SS 1LE which I heavent tracked at all, I feel the weight f Mustang instantly and I am not getting used to it. Steering feels sluggish but actually its the weight f car that does this. On winding roads it makes it feel too digital cuz we feel the electronics trying hard to stop the rear end from hopping If I get 1 of these it wud be the base model Manual, I d instantly throw out all unnecessary padding, etc and tune the rear suspension for the weight removed. Even 100 lbs less this S650 wud feel much better. I think the s650 s crossing 4000 lbs mark, thats too much for a DoHC 32V motor which has less torque at lower revs. An SS has like 450 something torque at say 3000 revs so it does ve that advantage.. But with 5.0 light chassis is a MusT for performance, else I fear the S550 and C6 Camaros wud be faster than the S650 despite S650 having more power on paper and at crank

[@cyclonekevin6199]

440 whp

[@JacesOwnWorld]

So how much did you pay a dealer for their markup "just because" for this Mustang? LOL

[@ItalianStallion410]

I pay stick for everything thank you have a blessed day 😊🫡

[@JacesOwnWorld]

@@ItalianStallion410 so over $60k for a non-Shelby Mustang? Haha

[@ItalianStallion410]

@@JacesOwnWorld bro nobody cares what you have to say move on…. I have a Shelby and they feel the same if not the dark horse is better but you are smart and know business so good luck with your channel have a blessed day