BIG NEWS: New Penalty System, But Is It Fixed? Forza Motorsport

[@mechwarrior13]

its worse. when someone in front of you loses control and reenters the track at 45 degrees going 50 mph slower (unavoidable, no time to brake) you get the 4 sec penalty, always

[@Flashms]

Yeah I think they need to fix that one. It is one of the most frustrating penalties know to forza lol

[@MarkWendland]

Yes! This more than anything needs work. I think re-entering the track and getting hit should pretty much always be an automatic penalty for the off-track car even if they were forced off by someone else. Maybe have it set to penalize that car until a counter ticks off so many seconds of on-track driving.

[@Flashms]

Hopefully turn 10 may see these suggestions and act upon it. Never know

[@PatCartier77]

*Turn 10's Penalty system is the new s.b.m.m. (skill base match making) meaning it penalizing the best driver, so them kids keep buying the game.. I dare anyone to prove me wrong*

[@PatCartier77]

That's what happens when Microsoft° 's marketing manager gets involved in game development at that empty shell called TURN 10*

[@Flashms]

Proving isn’t easy lol. I know about tech tress etc in coding but seriously have no clue. But that doesn’t mean I cannot argue lol. The way I see it is, it’s based on ifs. And it’s not human. Plenty of other games just blame both drivers regardless of the situation. Where as for off tracks. Other titles are more lenient so each to their own I guess

[@Flashms]

Got to get their new suits somehow bud

[@DanielHP1993]

Never bet against the levorg at maple valley, even in the rain

[@Flashms]

Man I did it well. What you think. Am I getting the hang of it now ??? lol

[@Al-ny8dr]

My new granddaughter was born. I can't wait to spoil her. I'm already planning way ahead to buy her a drum set. Just a little payback I think is in order.

[@Flashms]

There we go, amazing news That’s smashing buddy, you have to spoil her man. Also you have to introduce her to this channel and make sure she likes a subs lol. A drum set ooofff parents are going to love you for that one. I couldn’t wait till the batteries ran out of my sons lol.

[@Al-ny8dr]

@@Flashms I adopted twins and did the Mr. Mom thing. Some people say how hard it is to raise kids. It's not hard at all if you love them lots. It's the only thing in my life that really meant something. Everything else was just window dressing.

[@Flashms]

exactly man, its not hard, all you need is to provide love and education and they will be happy. nice man ❤ thats awesome bud. it is hard of course but the reward is unmatched

[@yurilopes420]

i mean good but how the fuck is this related

[@Flashms]

I have known this person for a long time and asked them to keep me updated on their good news :)

[@amarazane4519]

Ah good, the new penalty system is the same as the old one. Perfect😂

[@Flashms]

It certainly bit me in the behind lol. To be fair the off track penalties have much improved.

[@ulysseskruger]

Mate someone bounced me off the wall into them at laguna. 2 seconds for me👍🏿

[@Flashms]

Ahahahha I got a higher score then with the old 4 seconds lmfao.

[@nickbrown3758]

Try the Levorg in the Endurance races, 3x tyre wear and I have won numerous races on a 1 stop hard tyre strategy, need to tyre save a bit and be smooth but definitely possible.

[@Flashms]

Omg really. I wondered why everyone was in that car. So OP in reality lmfao.

[@jamiebeswick1654]

I had 4 second penalties for the exact same reason and every time I quit the race. It seems like turn 10 still has lots of work to do

[@Flashms]

Yeah those penalties are the worst. There is work that need to be done but it’s an improvement from the previous model at least.

[@Uniteddave]

Oh wow, didnt realise it was you in this race. Im d3vil dave. I definitely need to practice wet weather racing as i find it bloody tough. Though, since this race. I ve played around with the levorg quite a bit. Great video!

[@Flashms]

Hey devil Dave. How are you. Yeah it’s a bit of a handful. Plus the understeer monster mg in the wet can be a bit of a handful lol. But it was one of my favourite cars. The levorg is a total beast to drive and handle. But once you get it, you’re golden lol. For me the best tcr car is the Astra. That car is a dream to handle. Just lacks a bit of power. Suits maple well in wet and dry. Each car has their own strength and weakness. I have tested and driven all of them besides the Audi. So peruse at your own will. All the best :)

[@Uniteddave]

@Flashms I'm good, i hope you're well. Thanks for the advice. I really do need to play around with cars more! I've been pretty basic with my car choices, and to say I've only just discovered the levorg seems like a madness. Though, With it being a rear wheel drive car, i do like the way it turns in! You're doing a great job with the vids, and I hope to see you on the track again! 👍

[@Flashms]

@@Uniteddave good to hear and I’m good thanks Hahahaah yeah I was the same. I loved the mg so much that I stuck with that car for a while. I could never drive the levorg for a long long time. So I avoid it, but now I seem to have found a new rhythm so the car seems to be behaving at the moment lol, Thank you, I am sure we will meet again :).

[@Howlingbrown]

Noticing it more on high speed taps and scrapes and a couple of corners that I will happily take a tiny pen for, have all been more severe. If I let off on the same corner not as much penalty or if I let off after a bump, again not as bad

[@Flashms]

Still seems to heavily favour car inputs over the actual situation itself. It’s not easy from a development standpoint I understand that. Contact penalties needs looking at really.

[@goody1million]

Let’s be honest we can guess all we like…I don’t think anyone including turn 10 knows how the pens are worked out? lol

[@Flashms]

I know, its based on a coin flip with 2 tails lmfao.

[@wwjnz9263]

Be careful. You can get dinged for contact without touching another car. That is always fun. 😂

[@Flashms]

Got to love it lol

[@StuntaMC]

are you the green super gt cuz if so imma sub

[@Flashms]

Anahhahaha :) I wish I was that popular lmfao

[@davidherminghaus1189]

Do you schedule community races? If so , when? I’d love to race with clean drivers!

[@Flashms]

We host community races on the weekend. Join the discord (link at bottom of description). Also when I live stream, players are welcome to join. Also there are plenty of players looking to race in the discord. May not be enough to host a full lobby but pairing up and doing online lobbies are just as fun.

[@mbrforza4601]

I posted exactly this the other day..guys sideways across track he clips me.i get 4 and a half seconds..and yes I agree a bad penalty system is worse that bad driving..it doesn't encourage close racing..for me anyway

[@Flashms]

No, you’re exactly right. Many people have said I can be far too passive in my driving and I lose positions because of this. Well this is my argument. I don’t want to get stupid penalties lol. Although I am becoming a little more assertive on pushy when driving. I still worry far too much. It’s race ruining.

[@mbrforza4601]

@@Flashms and don't get me started on how quickly the safety rating going down.ive bn stuck at B for about 2 weeks🤣 coz of others bs!..and our latest series of races to do are fkn awful! ..rant over!!🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Flashms]

Lmfao. I gave up caring what the rating says. It goes up and down depending on the time of day, month of the year. etc lol. Not something I can control if a 6 year old sends me to oblivion. Then their dad comes in and gives me another penalty by sending me of track just for good measure lol. It’s not something I look at. Oddly enough I used to get cleaner races the worst level I was in so go figure that out lmfao

[@mbrforza4601]

@@Flashms your 100% correct. Had some great races lately down in B..this games the good the bad and the ugly lol

[@Flashms]

@mbrforza4601 hahahah that’s fair. I mean S-C are matched anyway. Any lower. I guess that’s survival of the fittest. Be interesting to see lol. Turn 1 must be magic there lmfao

[@Jshsprngr]

I had a similar strange penalty

[@Flashms]

It’s super helpful isn’t it lmfao. I mean it’s just funkiness. What can you do I guess. It is such an improvement at the moment so I cannot complain really.

[@Jshsprngr]

@@Flashms the screen names popping up when you have voice chat turned off is odd for sure. I do have voice chat on when I drive, but it’s annoying when people are just barely speaking or have background noise going so I see their name the whole time.

[@Flashms]

@Jshsprngr yeah it’s annoying and distracting lol. I do love how I muted that many people that 99 percent of all races now. The players are already muted lmfao. Got to love the one person eating the loudest food known to man. In the loudest possible way. With some sus heavy breathing into the mic lol.

[@Zaichyk1]

Is it possible you got the pen for rear ending the Golf?

[@Flashms]

Not 4 seconds. Maybe a warning but very rare would you get a penalty for that. Unless the golf went of track and even then it’s a 5050 chance. Defo the 4 seconds is for the Audi driver. It happens bud. The penalty system will never be 100 percent accurate. All it sees is me hitting the car and then the car going of track. So it presumes I put them there.

[@MrkZndstr]

I hate to admit it but last week the penalties made me rage and send some dirty drivers into the shadow realm. Pretty ironic.

[@Flashms]

Hahahaaha yeah it is weird it’s like the penalty system has a mood swing and goes on a vengeance run lol. Seems better now though. Hopefully

[@JadeMerkaba]

I believe the system gave you a penalty there because you didn't try to slow or avoid. You keep your foot in the gas and you will get a penalty almost every time.

[@Flashms]

Yeah exactly. At the point of impact I was on half throttle. BUT besides that. Regardless of trying to avoid or not. Which was never possible, it is still incorrect as they was heading of track anyway so it’s still an incorrect penalty which is something that needs to be looked at. Even if I hit the brake I would have still slammed into the car and sent them off track, which is my argument here. It is just one of those penalties. Although 4 seconds was ruthless lol

[@JadeMerkaba]

@@Flashms Yeah I agree. Way too brutal of a penalty for making contact on an out of control opponent. Hopefully the system will continue to learn. I must say that the amount of bad penalties, in my experience so far anyways, has decreased pretty drastically.

[@Flashms]

@JadeMerkaba oh yeah i totally agree, it is so much better. I am just an idiot that if he is going to get hit, it is going to sting lol but I usually get away with a lot of mischief to so I cannot grumble lol. I would also argue that over the last few weeks the driving standards have improved a lot to. I am having some intense races at the moment. So I feel that helps overall to.

[@JadeMerkaba]

@@Flashms lol fair enough. Absolutely agree about the driving standards. I've had some great battles with fantastic drivers. To the point where I'm ear to ear grinning while racing them.

[@Flashms]

@JadeMerkaba yeah same here. While also finding the room temperature suddenly gets hotter and hotter lmfao.

[@aono335]

I think you were kind of at fault there. The penalty system saw you accelerate there and noted you up. There’s no 100% accurate penalty system but that wasn’t the example you should have shown here. It doesn’t prove your point.

[@Flashms]

Doesn’t matter. The car was out of control before I made contract. So blaming me for “avoidable contact” is incorrect which is exactly my point. 4 second is race ruining while also being incorrect. My point was proved perfectly. While as you say no system would ever be perfect and I totally agree with you. If inaccuracies are there then you don’t need to punish with near maximum punishment if there is a chance you are wrong.

[@anonbcyi380]

penalty sistem is so ass, 2 dudes crashed in front of me I avoid a direct crash but i got hit anyway on my rear, and got 4 F..... SECONDS, like, what im supposed to do? :(

[@Flashms]

Yeah sounds about right. They have not managed to work out how to put the blame onto the right person yet. One of the most frustrating situations in the race is getting that 4 second slap. Hope it gets better for you buddy

[@Krog360]

I'm not sure that it'll ever be 'perfect'. Like many comments on here, I've experienced being the 'victim' in an incident only to receive a penalty when the perpetrator gets away with nothing 😡

[@Flashms]

It happens. Maybe more often than it should. But it is better than a lot of other systems. Again that’s my opinion and others may agree or disagree lol. It’ll never be perfect because it isn’t human.

[@petemaddox1716]

After watching the US grand prix these penalties seem soft 😂

[@Flashms]

Yeah that is very true. I watch a lot of tcr. I remember a driver going over the line at turn 1 brands hatch. They got a warning to start with. Did it again a lap later and got handed 5 seconds. I was like oooofff that’s brutal.

[@thomasb4002]

Not fixed in fact its worse. Got slammed by a guy who went off track and acame back teeboned me and i got 3 seconds penalties

[@Flashms]

Yeah I have noticed how the fault penalties are really funky. Also some of the other of tracks are weird. Where you have not gained time or anything and you still get a penalty.

[@kireta21]

Situation like that is easily preventable by "marking" cars that lost grip or made sudden change of direction, for few seconds, to invalidate penalties issued for hitting them.

[@Flashms]

Yeah that’s a very good point. As bad as it sounds, it has never entered my head to mark cars who have sudden grip issues or sudden change of direction. Great shout, that would also help identify rammers who change direction to ram you. 2 birds right there.

[@kireta21]

@@Flashms similarly marking cars that just extended track limits would prevent very frustraiting penalty when hitting someone, who cut corner way too much, and gets T-boned by properly cornering car, before going completely off track.

[@Flashms]

Yeah or cars with a large differential of speed to. Someone needs to be ghosted.

[@aeppikx]

yea new penalty system is such a mess like it was before or should i say its even worse.........yesterday some guy hit me like 6 times in my back till i finally spun out i got 2.5sec for slide into another car while spinning and guy who hit me 6times and causes this got nothing....yea like i said works great.....

[@Flashms]

Did you report the driver that was hitting you ???

[@aeppikx]

@@Flashms reportsystem is bs have to graB phone scan qr code in like 10secs ... and if you sit in a rig and phone not in direct reach no chance to report.. or is there another way

[@Flashms]

@aeppikx that’s odd. Usually the way to go is via forza support. Upload the clip or clips and give the players gamer tag and turn 10 review the incident which is usually very quick

[@aeppikx]

@@Flashms ok nice to know next time i try that

[@Flashms]

No worries it is much better than going through Xbox. Can be a tiny bit time consuming but 9 times out of 10. They reply to you within 24h which I think is great

[@jimmyjanssens8411]

The penalty system is still crap…!!!! Online at LeMans…had an off in the first chicane…let off the gas…let the person that was moren then 1 sec behind me true…I let him by….and still got a 2 sec penalty…for track limits… You are sow wrong about the penalty system… It was always crap…and still is crap….!!!!

[@Flashms]

2 seconds is a rough of track penalty not going to lie.

[@eyzin82]

Penalty system must be removed and implement system like Iracing

[@Flashms]

Yeah maybe but you do have to remember I racing is a specialised sim. While as forza is catered to all ages and skill level.

[@kireta21]

That much can be said right away, Forza will never implement manual reviews as main penalty system, nor will they ban drivers for "just" bad driving.

[@Flashms]

Well it’s hard isn’t it. Imagine a 6 year old joining an online lobby and getting bad for being a bad driver. It’s unfair to them. And it’s unfair for us to expect top level driving at the same time. Which is why the rating system needs to be adjusted and firmer to cater for top level drivers as well as others. I did suggest that you qualify then placed into a lobby based on your skill and time set. Then it’s competitive for everyone. The slower drivers won’t feel like they just got railed while the faster drivers are competing with people at their level thus the level of enjoyment for all will go up. But that’s just my opinion. Others may well have a better idea or different view

[@Marky_-pz5mm]

Your penalty in the first race was bs. And the game is in a right mess the flame rate I'm getting is terrible plus the game keeps on crashing

[@Flashms]

Yeah it was lmfao. I have heard many people say the frame rate has been very inconsistent at the moment. It’s weird. I mean the video of me drifting was a pain to record. The replay footage was causing some real issues and lag spikes although the cpu and gpu was hardly being utilised. So who knows what the problem is now. Defo needs a huge optimisation patch lol