Big Tech’s Big Bet on Trump

[@diculdicul1]

The tech industry is mostly libertarian. Years ago, the social part took center stage, now the economic one does.

[@avalonwarriormage35]

Governments were too slow to regulate these industries early, now that they are feeling the level of scrutiny expected of mega corporations they call "foul"

[@RonDansec]

We should make our 2028 slogan even more regulation you’re welcome America

[@Distortion0]

The government was never interested in regulating these industries. Politicians wanted powerful monopolies who owed them favors.

[@theEvilLord90]

The sole reason tech flourished so much and you are able to write this here is because gov kept itself out of tech

[@SunkenVessel]

In other words, Andreessen realized that it is not left vs the right as the media would have you believe, but people are realizing it is the Rich vs Not Rich, and decided to play on the rich side of the fence instead.

[@welles28]

Perhaps. For me, it seems to be closer to "how dare you question my shining brilliance, and attempt to tell me what to do".

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Rich vs non-rich IS right vs left. The right wants the ruling class to have unchecked power, the left wants their wealth and power ceded to the workers who created it all in the first place.

[@dtrellis]

@@welles28 Right - they really, really don't want to be regulated, they think they are Ayn Rand-ian supermen gods and should be left to pursue whatever they want without any kind of oversight, they saw the Dems starting to inch against this and jumped

[@fan_Ginkyo]

@@welles28 well, the Biden administration is full of muppets, won't you be annoyed getting told off by these unqualified officials?

[@MarkYeck-c2y]

When push comes to shove, we’re seeing what these people are made of. Basically instead of upholding values and looking for profit paired with collective good, they just chameleon to the side of the winner and go for total profit only.

[@jchampagne2]

I mean, there's a reason Google's motto isn't 'don't be evil' anymore.

[@El4-p1c]

Trump and Musk are American cultural icons, and people adore and look up to the big American style, just like people looked up to and adored the British when they ruled the seas. Every culture has or had its iconoclasts-Italy had Leonardo da Vinci. Germany had Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. India had Buddha. France had Voltaire. We should also learn to applaud those who choose the big American style, even if we have decided not to live so large ourselves. For example, my neighbor recently purchased a brand new 2025 Cadillac Escalade gimme gimme mobile. Instead of knocking her for it, I decided to go next door and congratulate her for her smart shopping decision. She told me that Santa said that she needed to treat herself to something special this holiday season, especially after having recently divorced her husband of 8 years. However, her psychic told her to wait on the botox injections and tummy tuck. The conversation was brief, yet very enlightening. I was extremely surprised when she ended the conversation by telling me that if only more of our people bought such grand and sturdy automobiles, then, maybe we would be able to end our reliance on mid-east oil. I was very surprised because it is a rare thing to hear a fellow citizen make such an astute and accurate political observation. Anywho, I went back to my retrofitted Winnebago with solar panel and wind turbine and cranked up the old black and white Sony tv with rabbit ears to see if I could catch a rerun of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous". Soon after, I faded into the land of nod and had a very vivid dream where I met with our Elon in D.C. and he offered to equip my outhouse with his Tesla rockets at a 25 percent shoppers' discount and shoot me into outer space!

[@kevinchen7403]

Very true. Well said.

[@fan_Ginkyo]

well, they make the winner, not side with the winner.

[@youtubingperson5686]

The NYT is fundamentally flawed in the premise that in the mid 2010s tech became too big and powerful. Microsoft, Apple, Salesforce, AOL, Yahoo, Google and Facebook were already big and influential before then. I remember when many said Obama won the 2008 election because of his savvy with Facebook. The iPhone and iPad were the biggest, most hyped launches for any product ever. Amazon was already huge. So I don’t buy that the antagonist shift came naturally as tech hit this certain scale. When Bill Gates retired, he was the richest person ever.

[@user-ok2kc5tl6v]

If you honestly believe Obama won because of Facebook you need help

[@fan_Ginkyo]

Yes, this is a very flawed reporting. Silicon Valley flipped to the right this time because the Biden administration has been anti-business, to such an extent that, if we extrapolating the trend, the US might fall behind in the tech war with China.

[@Aestiv]

Everybody’s trying to pull a Heidegger right now.

[@elleeeeish]

God-King tech bros are mad people aren't happy with them hoarding wealth. So instead of being the hidden villains they are, they've decided to come out and openly be villains.

[@damianm-nordhorn116]

Yeah, that thing about them giving up their money.. ..at least for the men* I wanna see it before I believe it. My guess, they're gonna hold onto it like old people, that first tell their kids "this is all for you" before they first hold onto it until forever and then leave a mess where everybody's fighting for the inheritance. They just can't let go. *one has to mention McKenzie Bezos, who actually DOES it right now.

[@HugoGlz56]

I love the little "Hhmms" from the interviewer. Very demure.

[@kieranbrady1240]

This will not do, see to it that that which will not do won't do and will never!

[@dlitepix3752]

Basically they want an oligarchy and they’re getting one.

[@tomalexander4327]

Gosh, these people are shockingly shallow

[@welles28]

Don't forget greedy, cynical, and narcissistic.

[@fan_Ginkyo]

No, they are not. NYT made you believe so. These Silicon Valley moguls are very thoughtful, much more so than your average NYT reporter.

[@welles28]

Marc Andreesen is not a reliable narrator, to put it mildly.

[@crash7800]

The divide between left and right is less relevant than establishment vs anti-establishment. This focus crosses the isle and spectrums of thought. They are betting on anti-establishment.

[@LincolnDWard]

Not realizing that they _are_ the establishment

[@Raterme1on416]

Something awful happens when oligarchs amass enough power relative to the rest of us peons. It's akin to some kind of personality disorder, and we're all the victims.

[@evelynnapier8994]

Great podcast. Thanks

[@kieranbrady1240]

This will not do, see to it that that which will not do won't do and will never!

[@catc8927]

26:29 Thank you Michael Barbaro for articulating the backwards-looking worldview in Marc Andreesen’s complaints.

[@anonnimus]

Prior to the late 19th century, most companies were incorporated by a special bill adopted by legislature. By the end of the 18th century, there were about 300 incorporated companies in the United States, most of them providing public services, and only eight manufacturing companies.[1] The formation of a corporation usually required an act of legislature. State enactment of corporation laws, which was becoming more common by the 1830s, allowed companies to incorporate without securing the adoption of a special legislative bill. However, given the restrictive nature of state corporation laws, many companies preferred to seek a special legislative act for incorporation to attain privileges or monopolies, even until the late nineteenth century. In 1819, the U.S. Supreme Court granted corporations rights they had not previously recognized in Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward. The Supreme Court declared that a corporation is not transformed into civil institution just because the government commissioned its corporate charter; and, accordingly, it deemed corporate charters "inviolable" and not subject to arbitrary amendment or abolition by state governments.

[@fan_Ginkyo]

NYT is neglecting the fact that Andereessen was most unhappy about the anti-business and anti-development stance the Biden ministration has adopted. A very biased reporting and thumb down.

[@zacnewman7140]

Biden pushed through one of the biggest infrastructure bills since The New Deal, how is that anti-business? Also the CHIPS Act encouraging semiconductor production and development. Also the single largest land block sale for off-shore energy production in history. And siding with the railroads against the union that one time. Calling him anti-business and anti-development is like accusing water of not being wet enough.

[@itweety21]

Embarrassing Hope is a Trojan horse 🐴 lol

[@kieranbrady1240]

This will not do, see to it that that which will not do won't do and will never!

[@hierroglyphic]

conservative? Libertarian? How about opportunist?

[@pastramiking6874]

Look up the Atari Democrats. Al Gore was one

[@Yaaassssssssss]

Thank you

[@brunoparis20nation]

Mickaël Barbaro “umm” and other borborygmus are hypostases of a constant woke stream lol

[@kchoi10]

How is this woke?

[@zacnewman7140]

1) The opposite of woke is asleep and there's a certain poetry in the people who are telling MAGA what to think insulting them so openly. 2) If you knew what "borborygmus" or "hypostases" meant without having to consult Google, you're one of the intellectuals MAGA wants to string up. They'll come for you eventually.

[@ModouLaminManjang-h4q]

I love USA because of free speech. When has censorship become so loved?

[@SmokedBisque]

Section 230 of the communications decency act Congress determined that websites cannot be treated as publishers of online content and cannot be held liable for content moderation decisions In my opinion social media is a negative force for society and people's mental health and if not being used practically should be avoided. If it wasnt designed to be addictive. Pidgeon holing you atomising you from your actual life.

[@YouSnoozeYouNooze]

since big corporations and powerful people decided the Constitution just wasn't working for them anymore

[@El4-p1c]

Trump and Musk are American cultural icons, and people adore and look up to the big American style, just like people looked up to and adored the British when they ruled the seas. Every culture has or had its iconoclasts-Italy had Leonardo da Vinci. Germany had Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. India had Buddha. France had Voltaire. We should also learn to applaud those who choose the big American style, even if we have decided not to live so large ourselves. For example, my neighbor recently purchased a brand new 2025 Cadillac Escalade gimme gimme mobile. Instead of knocking her for it, I decided to go next door and congratulate her for her smart shopping decision. She told me that Santa said that she needed to treat herself to something special this holiday season, especially after having recently divorced her husband of 8 years. However, her psychic told her to wait on the botox injections and tummy tuck. The conversation was brief, yet very enlightening. I was extremely surprised when she ended the conversation by telling me that if only more of our people bought such grand and sturdy automobiles, then, maybe we would be able to end our reliance on mid-east oil. I was very surprised because it is a rare thing to hear a fellow citizen make such an astute and accurate political observation. Anywho, I went back to my retrofitted Winnebago with solar panel and wind turbine and cranked up the old black and white Sony tv with rabbit ears to see if I could catch a rerun of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous". Soon after, I faded into the land of nod and had a very vivid dream where I met with our Elon in D.C. and he offered to equip my outhouse with his Tesla rockets at a 25 percent shoppers' discount and shoot me into outer space!

[@welles28]

Are you under the impression that broadcast TV and radio operate without constraint in terms of what they broadcast?

[@YouSnoozeYouNooze]

Irony is when I get shadowbanned for saying censorship is authoritarian

[@toby4187]

It is probably those bigoted hateful comments you are undoubtedly also spewing not saying censorship is authoritarian.

[@YouSnoozeYouNooze]

@@toby4187 You're obviously pure and virtuous in thought and action, but you should know- the road to hell is paved with good intentions

[@YouSnoozeYouNooze]

​@@toby4187 You specifically need to be protected from differing opinions

[@YouSnoozeYouNooze]

@@toby4187 Maybe you'd be more comfortable watching Blues Clues

[@YouSnoozeYouNooze]

@@toby4187 You are VERY smart

[@user-dv1fp1gj7v]

Is the NYT still trying to get into podcasts? Here on KZbin where they can't censor comments? HAHAHAHAHAHHAAH!! Good luck with that!!