BIG Teoscar Hernandez Free Agency Update! Will LA Re-sign Teoscar Hernandez?

[@danielarmenta8314]

I’m just getting tired of this will the Dodgers sign him or not? How long is this gonna drag out?

[@alexalonso2093]

Yea it’s getting really tiresome Soto got his deal done sooner the teo 🫵🏻💰💰💰👀

[@kevintoler7445]

Until he signs with another club!

[@n.ludwig1236]

Agreed. I’m afraid now that Soto got signed, somebody else is gonna sweep in and take Teo before the Dodgers figure their shit out

[@maxtradezzz]

y’all have no patience. let it be. we sign him we sign him if we don’t then we don’t.. even tho that would suck but oh well

[@jeremyhopwood5822]

Until the Season Begins! Lol 😆 🤣

[@rawkusrex]

I'd love for Teo to come back, but if he doesn't im not going to cry over it. I'll just wish him the best

[@Prone2Thrill]

Impatient youth lol - this is probably Teo's best contract of his career so he needs to be careful

[@davidcastillo8522]

Teoscar come back and win another championship

[@luismacias664]

Man at this point if we get him cool if not then it’s ok wish him the best. What matter at the end of the day in the name in the front of the Jersey

[@Easymoneysniper123]

I think teo salty that the dodgers wanted to pursue Soto

[@ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo]

@@Easymoneysniper123 I dont think the Dodgers were serious about getting Soto.

[@Easymoneysniper123]

@@ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo how were they not serious if they were 1 of the 5 teams interested. Know your baseball before saying bs

[@ralphmarquez7160]

Teoscar wants his own suite lol 😂

[@ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo]

He also wants his maid and babysitter to have full access to the stadium.

[@thetradereaper]

PAY this MAN his MONEY!

[@VengWarrior]

@@ralphmarquez7160 He wants your W 1 F E hahahahahaha. 🤣

[@josephya5815]

Just give him a 4yr contract, if you’re willing to offer Soto 600 then Teo is worth the 4yrs!!! It was a good thing Soto did did not sign with the Dodgers.

[@timotmon]

Where do you put him when he's too old to play the outfield in 3-4 years?

[@中山達也-p1y]

ドジャースにいて彼の成績はキャリアハイになった。 彼の努力の賜物であってしかもチャンピオンリングも手に入れた。 チームにとって、ファンにとって必要な選手には変わりないし、来季もプレーして欲しいけど ソトの契約によってＦＡ市場はインフレが酷くなってるのも確かで、テオを欲しがるチームは他にも たくさんあるんでしょう。　ドジャースとテオの妥協点を導ければ良いけど、契約金額が彼の力以上に なってしまえば、ドジャースは撤退して違う補強の仕方を探すんじゃないかな。もしそうなったとしても 誰も責めることは出来ないと思う。

[@phigher1]

Hello, do you reside in japan? What is your opinion on where Roki Sasaki will decide to sign? Are the dodgers really the favorite or is it anyone’s guess ?

[@davidd4447]

Christ shines through Teoscar, a great example of joy

[@Sonicifyouwanit]

I want him back...however if they say they traded for Kyle Tucker...I'd fine with that too

[@GeorgeRobles-t2f]

Hey Dmac , what about Tanner Scott to bolster Dodgers bullpen.?

[@Terry_hesticles]

I honestly think once the highs of winning the World Series wear off . He will come down to earth and ultimately will go with the higher pay day and as he should 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@venegas316]

Hello from Coachella Doug, i want to know when will you have Alanna Rizzo on your podcast? I love her takes and love to hear what she hears along the grapevine, blessings and hope youhave great holiday season

[@alainbrouillaud484]

Why are the Dodgers concerned about AAV? Teoscar proved his value why is this dragging on?

[@Toneloc1818]

No deferrals? Let him walk. Shohei, Mookie, Freddie, Smith and others took deferrals.

[@davidcatalano3781]

This feels like Corey seager

[@jeremyhopwood5822]

Dodgers were willing to go to 600 million for a guy ALMOST no Dodgers fan wanted! Why not pay 100 million, 1/6th of that 🤔 for a Player who is BELOVED BY DODGERS FANS 🤔 😉 😏

[@Mr91Jmay]

Because the fans are idiots and Friedman should ignore them at all costs

[@TheTruthSeekerDocRB]

You didn't just compare the two...yes, 800m is absurd amount for Soto but he is 26, Teo is already 32. Powerhitters don't age well

[@eucariotapiabermudez7937]

The dodgers will be fine without Teoscar , why make it a big deal sure he help the dodgers ein a world series but is not like he’s irreplazable

[@don9733]

Yup the crazy sentiment, all being emotional, i trust the front office, they have conforto, they could swing a trade mid yr too….want him back but he can be replaced as well

[@turkey1337]

Just pay him already. Its a four year contract, at a fraction of Soto. He’s taken a risk with the dodgers by signing for a year last year so the dodgers need to take a risk with him.

[@jamesstavros3680]

Teo and The Dodgers will be together. Who wants to play for the Blue Jays..?

[@jeremyhopwood5822]

Why would TeOcar Hernandez leave the Dodgers for Canada 🇨🇦 The Bluejays have their two Best Players Entering Free Agency after next Season!

[@brucedavis6244]

We need to just sign Teo

[@77Cardinal]

He's testing his value in Free Agency. He's got his ring. Nothing wrong with getting paid too. Teo being seen with Vlad Guerrero Jr is nothing but a reminder that 2025 is Vlads last contract year in Toronto. The Jays went to arbitration to nickel and dime over his contract when they should have extended him. Teo might help bring him to LA.

[@joshuashaw9274]

Doug you said it plain and simple he’s special. Let’s sign him give him a little bit more money lock him up for three years.

[@lacosa24x]

Bro I thought title said we got him

[@theflaco9533]

How long? As long as it takes. For Teo to accept Dodgers offer. Dodgers are not going to overpay for Teo at his age.

[@mikem3789]

DMAC, will you do a shoey if the Dodgers sign Teo?

[@-C.S.R]

He said he would sign any contract the Dodgers gave him after they won the World Series. So obviously it was all just BS! Time to call his bluff and move on! If he would rather go to Toronto, then stay in LA then so be it, adios amigo!🙄

[@tripsgotdrip]

350 million over 5 years

[@user-kc6df6mn1y]

Teoscar（37）. Get ready for the 2025 season.🟦 Train well in the offseason and aim for 100 RBIs.🟦 You can do it. 👍🌌 That score will be Dodgers score.🟦 Friedman. 👔 Teoscar is the Dodgers player need. 🏏🟦🟦🟦🟦 Never forget that. December／13／2024

[@wendyy.4442]

How about 3 years and $20M signing bonus

[@thefigs117]

Kinda tired of waiting and hearing rumors about him leaving and offers from other teams at this point i dont want him any more let him walk. If he really wanted to be a dodger he would have signed already enough games let his ass go

[@asamataua]

DODGERSSSSSSSSS PLEASE

[@af9952]

Get Teo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jinlondzale4191]

As much as I love teo I think we have to go get burns instead. Teo for sure if he resigns for 3 yr 60 mill

[@vincentsaunders4773]

That isn't happening. Maybe 4 years at 25 million which is still a steal. Or front load it and make it less in the end. It all has the same AAV.

[@kaywilley542]

Hey there SF Giants fan from Northern California. Great broadcast as usual. Hopefully you will make it more competitive with you guys next year so much fun to watch the history play out between the Giants and the Dodgers. Good luck to you guys. But really you don't need it.

[@kaywilley542]

*We will make it more competitive with you guys next year

[@adrienchl4265]

You guys should be better next year with adames. But again losing Snell is a big L

[@DodgersnationTV]

Congrats on Adames! Wanted him on the Dodgers forever. You could get Burnes too.

[@romeosira3665]

Isn't the point of ohtani deffered 97% of his salary so they can go after pieces to compete..just don't defer his contract

[@kevintoler7445]

Friedman wants to defer as much money with every contract.

[@Justbeyoself]

Teo doesn’t want to be here for the price the Dodgers are offering him

[@craigosterberg5045]

Go Dodgers

[@shirleysilva3043]

Please keep Teoscar......us fans really want him to stay a Dodger.❤

[@foxynorcalchic]

It sounds like they’re not going to sign Teo which makes me sad. I’m not sure why you would consider Otherwise. Teo is the glue that keeps this team close and he’s brought so much value other than his skills. I hope that the Dodgers stop dicking around and do it!

[@Publiclighthouse]

If Teoscar chooses Toronto, he’s more concerned with money/years than the certainty of post-season play, which is fine if that’s ultimately what he wants. It’s just that the success of the Bluejays is up in the air. Vlad Jr. is in a contract year and will likely go to whoever the highest bidder is. Bichette is in his last year of arbitration and will be a FA. Their pitching staff isn’t that competitive, especially after trading Kikuchi in the middle of last season.

[@vincentsaunders4773]

No, it will be because he grew tired of being played by Friedman.

[@fualexander7798]

Friedman is about to screw this one up big time if he is not careful. I thought the Dodgers were supposed to be building this team into a dynasty? Does nickel-and-diming with an excellent player both on and off the field who was instrumental in helping you win the World Series looks anything remotely like building a dynasty to you? Just don't complain if the Dodgers fail to repeat next season if you continue to lowball him and end up missing out on him alright. Teo has earned his way to be awarded.

[@vincentsaunders4773]

Couldn't have said it better myself... lol

[@timotmon]

Unreal, Andrew just built you a WS winning team bringing in the biggest stars and you're crying over one Teoscar Hernández? Yeah he's a lovable solid player but he'll be useless as a position player in 4 years. There's no DH spot for him to go to when he's too old to play the outfield. One thing people need to understand is Friedman ALWAYS plays the long game and Teo is way more valuable to a team like the Red Sox than he is to the Dodgers and yeah.. this could very well be a dynasty in the making with or without Teo.

[@fualexander7798]

@@timotmon "Unreal"? "Andrew"? That is one heck of a homer comment. First off, Shohei would have signed with the Dodgers one way or another. He wanted to be in LA and it wasn't going to be the Angels. There is nothing unreal about what I said. What is real however is without Teoscar's production, the Dodgers wouldn't have won the World Series, plain and simple. You are totally underestimating Teo's contribution to this team's success. Sometimes, you make one slight change, that could be the difference between winning and losing a championship. Give you an example, John Lynch of the 9ers thought it was a good idea to drop a great kicker in Robbie Gould instead of paying him by drafting Jake Moody from Michigan to replace him. And what happened? Moody missed an extra point whereby the 9ers had to go into OT as a result and they ended up losing the Super Bowl to the Chiefs. That's it. Is hard to win in the NFL just like it is hard to win in the MLB. You make a slight error in judgement in your personnel, it could end up costing you everything. That is the reality. And I haven't even mentioned how "lovable" Teo is, that is extra.

[@timotmon]

@ I’ll just cut you off at the knees and tell you that Friedman and the Dodgers were courting Ohtani for years before he was with the Angels and after so what you said is so boring I won’t even read whatever nonsense came after.

[@don9733]

@@timotmonyea the dude is talking crazy thinking he is smarter then the dodgers front office then downplayed their accomplishments….fair weather fan being emotional to boost

[@michaelhainline2282]

The Dodgers seem to lose all of fan favorite's. First Corey Seager then Trea Turner! Now we don't have a shortstop they are playing Mookie Betts at shortstop! Let's get this done sign Teo stop playing games Teo helped get us the World Serries Championship

[@don9733]

After all that they build a great team won a WS so what your point? You think u are smarter than the front office?

[@Mr91Jmay]

If you think Turner on that contract was a good idea you must be on some good shit. That’s perfect example of why fans should be ignored

[@hermanohm7861]

Please any good news regarding teo

[@stupendousdamon]

It will all be okay. I believe-for what it is worth-Teo will remain a Dodger. LA has a lot to offer Teo-winning! If not the front office will shift and come up with another fantastic acquisition that will have people shaking their heads again. Tommy Edman and Michael Kopech ring a bell 🔔

[@markread8650]

Watch it Teo….dodgers have some good outfielders in the minors

[@markread8650]

And they don’t even need deferrals

[@markread8650]

Doug, this is not a “Big Update “.

[@jasonleetaiwan]

Just give him a free Tesla. 😂

[@dfanLA2]

Bring Teo back on a 4-yr deal and just think of it as a 3-year deal to win all the chips we can in that period!

[@timrash6188]

Teo would be foolish not to come back to the Dodgers. Does he want to play in another World Series?

[@vincentsaunders4773]

I don't think he being given a choice... The Dodgers are the ones not moving on this... DMAC and Camras said it was done, and then it wasn't...

[@don9733]

@@vincentsaunders4773these dudes don’t know chit, just all speculations, no 1 know contract details

[@hermanohm7861]

Hope so

[@johndurrer7869]

Why aren’t the Dodgers all over Suzuki right now? Having another Japanese player would help them with Roki as well. He is younger than Teo as well. They should tell Theo to take it or they’re moving on and get the Suzuki deal done before the Bellinger to the Yankees deal gets done

[@victorvaldez5639]

It's difficult to understand how it takes you so long to sign a player who performed so well for you the previous year??? What do the Dodgers expect? ?

[@markread8650]

And the show must go on. But I hate the friggin’ commercials

[@vincentsaunders4773]

Friedman has said this: “It’s hard for me to answer,” (WHY?) Friedman said. “He had a really good year. He put himself in a great position and I know he has talked about wanting to (resign) and I know that we have talked about him wanting to (resign) and he and his family get to go through the interest and figure out what makes the most sense for them. So while we’re hopeful, at the same time, if he ends up signing somewhere else, we have no choice but to wish him well, and on a personal level we’ll be really happy for him and professionally not so much.” What a load of baloney. If a person who performed like ToH did last year says he wants to resign and he produced, you don't say, "well we are going to let him decide what he wants..." NO, YOU GO AFTER HIM...unless you didn't care in the first place and then you should just come out and say you don't plan to resign him and let everybody get on with the next thing. And no Doug, we don't like it because is disingenuous... Friedman can't blame ToH for this. When you treat a respected player for your team like he really doesn't mean anything more than how you would roll up a newspaper and slap a loyal dog across the nose with it, how do you expect them to react..."Thank you, may I have another?" It has been classless by an organization that has always had class...except in this instance. The sports press say he's coming back. I doubt it. It will be a loss for the Dodgers and a loss for the fans. This is my opinion and it and 8 bits will get you a cuo o joe. 🔥🔥🔥

[@dorothygale1104]

You totally have Friedman’s words twisted. You apparently are not aware that the Dodgers gave Teo an offer about a week after the Series ended ($25M/year for 3 years). So, Friedman made those comments AFTER having given Teo an offer weeks before Friedman made those comments. Friedman’s comments weren’t saying he wasn’t going to give Teo an offer unless he commits to the Dodgers and then letting him walk if Teo doesn’t commit to the Dodgers with no offer in hand. That interpretation is ridiculous, especially since Teo has had an offer for weeks that pays a higher salary and covers the next 3 years. If Teo walks, it absolutely is on him, not the Dodgers because he would be chasing money with a lesser team, which would be total hypocrisy given his tears and proclamation about wanting to be a Dodger. The Dodgers have gone after him and offered him the best contract of his career. To think the Dodgers are leaving Teo without an offer while they signed deals with Snell, Edmun , Treinen & Conforto very quickly is ridiculous for any Dodger fan to think that is how the Dodgers operate. Keep in mind that the Dodgers signed Teo for $23M for this past season when the team he really wanted to sign with, Red Sox, offered him $28M over 2 years after performing badly for the Mariners. So, the Dodgers have been very fair with Teo, but he and his agent decided to sit on the Dodgers offer until Soto signed to try to pimp more money from other teams. Teo could have signed the Dodgers offer weeks ago if he really wanted to be a Dodger as he has proclaimed. If Teo wants to chase more money with other teams, more power to him as I will always support anybody trying to make more money. But what I have a problem with is Teo is him chasing more money, after putting on a show during the parade shedding tears and proclaiming he wants to be a Dodger. If he is going to try to play the Dodgers and pursue more money with other teams, then his tears and words about wanting to be a Dodger is a pile of horse shit. I have lost respect for Teo, as he tried to play the devoted Dodger while giving the team the stiff arm while pursuing other offers. You are bad-mouthing the best organization and team president in MLB while conjuring up the idea that a 1-year plug & play player (who you probably didn’t know before the Dodgers signed him) is being mistreated by the Dodgers. You couldn’t have it more twisted if you tried. Compare Teo’s actions to Blake Snell’s signing. You don’t think Snell knew he was leaving money on the table by signing early? You don’t think the Yankees would have signed Snell for at least the amount they signed Max Fried? There isn’t a question that Scott Boras advised Snell that he could get more if he waited. But being a Dodger was more important to Snell than chasing more money and Snell wanted to sign and be a Dodger asap. That is how someone who wants to really be a Dodger conducts themselves. If Teo takes more money from the Jays or anybody else, he won’t be playing for another Series ring.

[@Mr91Jmay]

Why doesn’t Teo sign if he is such a bleed blue Dodger? You are not a Dodger fan you are a Teo fanboy

[@vincentsaunders4773]

I like what YOU say Dmac.... I am just skeptical and deservedly so based on what is being said by the team... and the lid looks nice!🔥

[@don9733]

Dodgers have reputation of take care their players. Tommy triene were offered fair good deals. Teo is shopping around, im sure dodgers is giving him a fair shake….want him back but they also have conforto holding it down, there is trade market mid yr….if he wants much more $&& and leaves it is what it is….next man up, dodgers have plans trust it

[@qvash8517]

Give him 4 years!

[@johnnycage1057]

Teo needs to get in line and defer his contract

[@vincentsaunders4773]

He deferred parts of the last one. He's do it again. He just wants some security and after last year I think he's earned it, FROM THE DODGERS.

[@richardrodriguez2222]

I hope so

[@vasquezovj65]

50/50 🤔

[@2222aaaa3333]

Toronto was absolutely stupid to trade Teoscar Hernandez for an average reliever Swanson.People here hate Ross Atkins for trading Teoscar And the team here has been basically terrible offensively since he was traded and Lourdes Guriel Jr was traded also. The Blue Jays were really aggressive in trying to get Ohtani and Soto But realistically they had little chance to get them .Due to a poor farm system which Ohtani pointed out which was in the bottom 5 of the MLB plus they do not have any offensive player with great impact signed long term like Bo Bichette and Vladamir Guererro Jr Both players especially Vllad wanted to sign long term contracts after the 2022 season and the club made no effort to sign Vlad and Bo long term. Besides after the 2022 season the Blue Jays traded 2 great productive players in the middle of lineup Lourdes Guriel Jr and Teoscar Hernandez For little offensive impact players Daulton Varsho and Kevin Kiermair just good defensively . To summarize The Blue Jays organization right now is a total mess so Teoscar should stay in L.A and work out the best contract there or go to the Yankees where both these 2 teams have a chance to win the world series. Toronto has very little chance to win unless they start taking risks like signing good offensive players long term like Vlad and Bo because those 2 players will lure other good offesive hitters to the Blue Jays and good pitchers also

[@Benvyious]

Hoping dodgers don’t cave. Dodgers won’t sign a bad deal

[@BeerCanDan93]

dodgers didn't learn from the last time they won a title and then started slowly disrupting their chemistry. I guess we'll have to wait 4 or more years for them to re-create the chemistry they already had found

[@meanmrmustard7042]

I don’t mind the Dodgers not being willing to improve their offer based on market value. Just stop telling me how much you think culture is important. Teo has everything you claim a winning franchise needs. He’s a great teammate, coaches love him, fans love him, and he’s clutch. I’ll believe that the Dodgers actually value those attributes when they stop low balling someone who has all of those things because “we’re the Dodgers and everyone wants to play here.”. They sound so disingenuous when they praise him. Like you said D Mack, we need outfielders that can produce badly. So why are they looking a gift horse in the mouth? Because they can? I think it sends a message that’s contrary to what you’ve been preaching to a team that clearly wants him back.

[@don9733]

The dodgers take care their players, they offered good deals for tommy ans treinen, u think they won’t be fair to teo…i bet teo is the one dragging it out

[@darlawittmier1793]

Teo will wait to drive up his price and then he will go to the highest better. He is to hold out.

[@dodgedforgottenn]

4 years $80MM - $90MM. Signing him through age 35 shouldn’t be problematic from a performance degradation standpoint. Get it done

[@EddieM357]

I would like to give you a thumbs up but would like to see the whole video before the 👍

[@mielbaltazar5099]

Is it just me feeling that this saga with Teo is getting tiresome? Just re-sign the man

[@deeel8856]

Im sick of all the itching and bargaining, let Teo go and i promise his number wont come close to next year. Let teo go and bring up Dalton Rushing.

[@javierbeltranfelix4706]

I'm 💯he is a dodger

[@ooklah87]

Teoscar saw the dodgers’ offer to Soto and felt disrespected this his offer wasn’t close

[@mariogonzales1064]

Trouble is Teo isn’t young like Soto.

[@ooklah87]

@ couldn’t agree more 👍

[@tripsgotdrip]

Dodgers vs blue jays

[@marshasavage9359]

How would deferrals work when he’s not getting hundred of millions?

[@angiegranados564]

People he need more money 💰 $$$$$$

[@rayguzman5962]

The Dodgers are like a soap opera they are looking for tv ratings.

[@2rundmc1]

He's gone 100 percent

[@marksugimoto9708]

I wish you are wrong but I gotta agree with you.

[@AndreP1524]

Oh yea? You been in the meetings?

[@mikem3789]

Not sure about that….if both the Dodgers and Blue Jays have similar offers, it will show who Teo really wants to play for.

[@vladimergustav5708]

I don’t wanna hear that but I’m gonna agree

[@adrienchl4265]

@@mikem3789 If both offers are similar, he is 100 % going to pick the dodgers

[@Toneloc1818]

Teo WTF... just take the 3 year 70 mil fool. 60 mil deferral

[@poga7948]

Teo is going for the money 💰 now he got his championship already ...he is not coming back

[@calebcarrillo4195]

Teo chasing a bag thats it

[@MissRain-xt2vj]

Teo's a Dodger. Who wants to be in Tronto? Why is there even a MLB team in Canada anyways, A?

[@johnchan7544]

If Teoscar is really keen to return to LA as he tells everyone, then be a team player and defer. Otherwise go to Toronto and continue losing...Dodgers will then sign Vladdy Jr, after next season, lol

[@bparker8195]

Uhh, I hope this isn't more of his click-bait bs! Keepin' real.

[@ar90242]

What is your with these 3 minute intros.

[@luismacias664]

Damn bro complaining about everything

[@MrCarlosVillasenor]

Why you complaining? 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@moose7649]

It’s from a live stream. Some people have them so others can take a minute to come into the stream and not miss anything. Other times it’s to prep for the stream before actually talking.

[@ar90242]

@ that makes sense. How do I catch them cuz I’m always watching the old ones.

[@ar90242]

@@luismacias664 lol. You complaining about me complaining? It was an honest question

[@Jwine3257]

Teo ain't coming back. Yanks are going to overpay for him, dodgers won't match it

[@haroof]

Ridiculous that this hasn’t been taken care of. At this point, I hope Teoscar does sign elsewhere.

[@davidcastillo8522]

Give him a 4 year contract, in exchange for deferral money

[@lostcanyon777]

no, 4 years is throwing away money

[@mikem3789]

If Teo wants to be a Blue Jay, let him.

[@Kinginzz]

Starting to think Teo cried at the parade cause he knew he was leaving

[@markread8650]

Kinda funny

[@SteveAuger2021]

I think all these deferrals are gonna come back and bite the Dodgers right in the ass

[@karlosrules]

How? If the value of the majority of those contracts is still being counted towards the luxury tax

[@alexalonso2093]

Nope an organization like the Dodgers have will not let that happen . There’s a reason why they have bank to last a lifetime 😎

[@kevintoler7445]

The Giants will be paying deferral money for Blake Snell in 2026 for him pitching for us!

[@michaelmccafferty777]

Hey Navarro - meet me outside.

[@martsol262]

No. I believe he will leave LA. He will sign with Boston.

[@user-kc6df6mn1y]

【Dodgers front office and Roberts.】 Convince Andrew Friedman. Hurry up and sign Teoscar.🟦🟦🟦🟦🖊️⭕️ He loves the Dodgers players and the many Dodgers fans.🟦⭕️ −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−− If he were to disappear, the damage would be too great.⇩🌊🌧️⛈️🌀🌪️🌩️ Never let that happen.🚫🚫

[@danielarmenta8314]

I’m just getting tired of this will the Dodgers sign him or not? How long is this gonna drag out?