Biggest Art Myths - Asking Pros

[@ProkoTV]

What are some art myths you’ve heard?

[@kingpen1179]

the biggest myth i believed when i was starting was that realism is the only true art 💀💀

[@demoniac4821]

Let's see... You're not real artist if you draw digitally, tracing is bad (for beginners/training), realism only nothing stylized.

[@Zaire82]

The only one that comes to mind is the "you have to draw every day" advice I often hear in videos. It's not strictly incorrect, but it's not true either. Practicing every day will certainly improve your skill, but it will also take a lot of time and drain your creativity. It's not for everyone. What's important is the practice itself, the quality of what you are learning. Time does not equate to skill, as I've seen artists start falling into shortcuts, laziness, and bad habits after a while. What you learn may not always be beneficial to you, hence why the quality of your practice is more important than the quantity.

[@spacejunk2186]

I don't know if that is true, which is why I say it's a 'myth', but I often hear how artists are paid really badly in the entertainment industry, especially animators.

[@Riku_nkmr]

"If you're good/get good in art, you'll get noticed whether without doing anything special". Biggest scam I've heard. Even more so when you're further burdened with poor networking skills or when your art style/medium just doesn't click for the public even with how unique it is.

[@PUG5ABI]

The "I don't want a boring desk job... I'll be... AN ARTIST!" * Spends whole day and night behind the computer*

[@HowlingWolf518]

Ah, but it's an _interesting_ desk job.

[@Jessica-pq1rc]

LOL SAME!!!! Got my online homework, digital art, watch youtube to learn more, watch a TV show for a break... it's actually alarming how much of my life is based in front of a screen! I even watch workout videos to help me figure out how to get away from a screen.

[@spirit9686]

You've clearly never had a real desk job lol

[@MrMadalien]

Yeah there are some unfortunate side effects of being a professional artist since you are an obligate sedentary person. Honestly I always liked M night shyamalan's advice (I hate his movies but he nailed this): "Don't be a director unless you absolutely need to". I would give the same advice to people who want to be an artist. Don't do it. But if you really have to do it, you will. Your back will hurt, you will have health issues, you will experience burnout at some point, you will be socially isolated for long lengths of time, but you will still do it anyways because you don't really have a choice, it calls to you like a siren. I've been in the industry working for Netflix, Magic, outsourcing studios like Axis/MPC etc. I'm in my 20s but I already have some chronic health problems and spine issues, I've experience cynicism and burn out multiple times, I never really had a social life and it's hurting me now, but it was all worth it in the sense that I'm doing what I have to do, I don't really have a choice in making art and I need to do it professionally to be sustainable and reach large audiences. Whenever I stop making art of any kind I fall in to a deep depression and life feels absolutely meaningless, that's what I mean by not having a choice.

[@MrMadalien]

@@natmj7851 Sure no pain no gain. But also, no gain = pain. In the sense that it is painful to not make art, it is painful to stop improving.

[@howaboutno.01]

As an artist, I most commonly run into the misconception that there's some kind of code or cheat sheet that made me good that newer artists want me to impart to them. No, guys. It's all hard work, it's work work work until it gets a little bit easier in 20 years or more, or if you have a knack maybe less. I'm 28 and still honing my craft, I don't have numbers on my side and the algorithm keeps screwing me over if I don't post daily, which is difficult to keep up, what with how long art can take. There is no magic in the getting good or getting popular parts, so you have to love it to get there. Make the magic yourself, don't look for the secret hidden wand that'll make it for you, because there isn't one.

[@elkende]

Also 28 and in a similar situation! Keep going!!

[@howaboutno.01]

@@elkende You've got this, fren, good luck to you! ♥ May our hard work pay off in the end

[@christinec1232]

25 yr old here! even though I see improvement compared to when I started again four years ago, I still try to strive and keep looking for ways to improve. I still struggle with anatomy and backgrounds and even if I don’t draw realistically, I still try to remind myself to practice my fundamentals.

[@howaboutno.01]

@@christinec1232 You're making the magic happen, Christine ♥ Keep up the fight!

[@MrMadalien]

What does the algorithm determine in terms of success as an artist? In terms of jobs, you will get there no matter what, if you have the skills (demonstrated by your portfolio and your reputation) and a little bit of network (going to art festivals, major cities, conventions). For personal work and building your own "brand" this is kind of an Sisyphean task that is not worth thinking too much about imo, much better to focus 100% on improving your skills at all times and developing your artistic vision over time rather than chasing trends that the algorithm attracts.

[@knivon6959]

Honestly I am currently at a state of self doubt and hearing these words from pros felt like I’ve come into the right path..

[@cabbinetdrawer]

It was insanely comforting to hear so many artists talk about the time and work that goes into art. Lately I've been feeling like I'm an unbearably slow creator and that I need to be more on top of my game, but it's easy to forget that quality takes time.

[@adamthorntonillustration9281]

This is gold. Thanks so much for doing this, everyone involved. I particularly resonated with what Bryce Kho and Ross Tran said. They were very helpful.

[@pringles_mcgee]

ive been struggling a lot with doubt and self deprecation. so hearing these words from the pros makes me feel a hell of a lot better. thank you so much

[@spacejunk2186]

I am surprised how often the idea of wanting to work at Blizzard came up. Working for them would be the last thing I would want lol.

[@NinjaMK]

It was before the scandals. We were kids, playing WoW and dreaming of working at Blizzard cause they are a AAA company who makes the coolest games with the coolest art.

[@jarred4005]

Blizzard was on top of the world once.

[@pringles_mcgee]

blizzard's art and music team is still absolutely killer. but knowledge of blizzard's shady ass BTS stuff wasn't always so upfront

[@HowlingWolf518]

It's like how everybody wanted to work at McDonald's when they were five - you don't see the tiny wages, stress and angry Karens, you just see the free leftovers.

[@johnvonmartin7501]

Whether character design cgi graphics or fanart their style is a complete package.

[@demoniac4821]

Videos like this motivates me to continue my art grind.

[@heal0317]

XIAO TONG!!!! SO EXCITED TO SEE HER HERE

[@julimibz]

A myth that I don't like is that drawing children's illustration is easy and needs no work. Sadly, even in this video you can see Alex Sanchez feeling insulted when people think he makes children's illustration. Drawing GOOD children's illustrations that tell a story is hard work. It takes just as much time and effort as any other art.

[@SketchedbySte]

It looks like everybody has a lot of self doubt from the comments, I think everyone feels like that as an artist at some stage. Keep your heads held high people, work hard and if you want it enough you will make it happen! good luck to all of us 😄. Also, great video, always really enjoy the asking the pros series!

[@stevenborham1584]

Every artist in the future will have their own pearl of work. No studio will deserve it so don't try to seek their approval in the first place. Vision will be highly sought after in a world programming folks away from their inner light/sovereignty. Art will reignite people.

[@andrew_pruitt]

I've almost completely given up on the idea of being a professional artist. At this point in my life, all I'm focused on is improving and if improving makes being a professional artist feel any more realistic, I'll readjust my sails.

[@freckleheckler6311]

You don’t have to become a professional while pursuing mastery in art. Don’t let “professionalism” derail you from something that you know you want to be an expert in. If you’re making art for the purpose of seeing great results from yearly development then let that be it.

[@andrew_pruitt]

@@freckleheckler6311 I agree 100% with what you're saying. It's funny how much your mindset can change in the 8 months since I wrote the previous comment. I've come to peace with the fact that I don't really need to be anything more than what I am currently. Art has been more of a meditative process where I've been able to be really introspective and as a result, I've learned a lot about myself.

[@kellymartin5248]

Proko, thank you. Believe in yourself and go for it. That right there is key! Lets go, my friends!

[@StreamHGF]

I've never had the pleasure of going to comic con so thank you so much for this! Wish I could attend someday to see all these amazing artists in person

[@ymc_jaytv8888]

I'm still improving my art, I'm always inspired by other artists, of how they take their time, I love their art styles! Nice video!

[@iamishgoddamnit]

Love these videos. Would love to see more about the business of art like how artists make their money, how much, taxes, growing the business, pricing work etc.

[@canvasengineer]

Take care of yourselves y’all! Make sure to exercise, eat right, and go to bed on time. You’ll have less time to draw if you’re spending time at the hospital or nursing your wrists. And if you can, go outside lol.

[@SC4RArt]

Awesome artwork! Truly impressive... Thank you for sharing 💛💛💛

[@GoldenLeafsMovies]

I want to get into the comic/animation business so I might cop that animation lesson at the end.

[@anweshasaha8662]

This video has my heart thank you for the real interaction with those artist & those real facts which will help us with our thoughts and pressure:)as an artist myself I appreciate it♡♡♡

[@M_Deez]

I'm a simple man, I see Lapiz I watch video

[@Linnzy]

When you see the name of an artist you follow and adore in the background 👀👀👀 (Naomi Vandoren) And then they interview ANOTHER artist you follow and adore ♥️♥️♥️ (Rossdraws)

[@johnvonmartin7501]

Someday I'll gonna be part in this event

[@MariJadeWrites]

Oh and also as one of the artists mentioned, I've stopped trying to fit somewhere with my art. I am making what I want to draw in the moment, which is mostly anime style female characters 😂 and it's fine

[@MariJadeWrites]

Thank you for the video it's very helpful and inspiring for an artist with a small community like me 😉 trying not to rush the process of growth and development

[@diegocamposore9781]

Lapis Lazuli? 💙👌

[@matehix9849]

Lapis lazuli

[@klunet133]

Proko thank you for featuring Velinxi ah

[@emmanuelmartinez3217]

Fifth one had the most optimistic and real with the response and it’s true

[@willheydecker6179]

Jerome Opena is a beast of an artist. If you haven't seen/read Seven to Eternity you're missing out. One of the best comic book artists out there right now.

[@edwardteach1992]

I feel like I'll never have a career on art. No one wants to commission me, no one wants to hire me into their company. Idk man I'm just so lost right now. Feels like the years I dedicated for improving my art is pointless. I want to improve more but this fear of finishing something just to see it get thrown into the void really cripples me. What's the point?

[@MrMadalien]

I felt this way many times in my journey, but I'm doing good professionally now. There's no easy answer. You have to persist. It's also good to take breaks, and remember why you started in the first place. Do you need the validation of a job or is the craft itself what you're really interested in? Because in the end the only people who make it really far are the ones who are actually in it for the craft, for the art of it, not the paycheck or the credentials. That feeling of surpassing yourself, of improving, pursuing beauty and meaning through a creative action. I hope that helps.

[@Thesilentvoice...]

I’m feeling like this too but the dream is bigger than giving up. If we give up the door shuts, think about why you love art and focus on that reason. The feeling will go, and it does come back (in facing this many times), but keep on remembering why you draw and why you love it. It will happen for you.

[@LeVraiPoio]

I'm bothered by the one on the starving artist. They all otherwise say it's a grind and it's a lot of work. Everybody doesn't grind at the same speed. Some people don't get the opportunity to grind, either because of financial trouble early on, or because of mental health issue, or anything trully. Some people's style art doesn't fit with companies' needs and they struggle until they find their very niche public. The world is complex in the end. On top of this, this kind of "self made man" mentality always comes with a survivor bias. Otherwise, good advices, especially the last one for people who struggle with the need to be acknowledged and feel bad on social medias.

[@stevenborham1584]

Seriously 😯😲😉 Words from my own mouth. Art is an escape from the grind for me....never have finished anything (nor want to) and definitely never happens fast.

[@nationalhamleague5352]

I agree. Like sure, it's not necessarily always the worst case scenario but it's definitely a rarer outcome. Hardwork and talent do not always translate to success.

[@MrMadalien]

The grind part is overstated, I believe it when it comes from Jerome Opena because he is a modern master. Most pro artists don't grind much however, they work 6-8 hours a day and play lots of video games. It really depends on your own standards, not the industry standards, because the industry actually has very low standards.

[@LeVraiPoio]

First of all, 8 hours a day on a creative job is huge. Moreover, you have a survivor biais here. You only think about those who succeeded. Not those who tried to grind, failed and got into some other job in the end.

[@MrMadalien]

@@LeVraiPoio It's not huge, any respectable studio is legally obligated to stick to 8-9 hours. Every job I have ever had in this industry always had very reasonable expectations in terms of time on the job. The only exception was short freelance jobs like pitches, where you are always in crunch but you only work for a week or 2. Really it comes down to skill in the end. You cannot "make it" as an artist in the Gary V hustle style. You don't win by grinding hard. Actually that's a losing strategy. The only way you make it as an artist is by actually having passion for the craft, and sticking with it for decades, and treating your body and mind with respect (not working 12 hours every day until you end up in a hospital). I think it's much more common for people to over work themselves and then end up quitting early. There is room for many styles of working, and the industry has low standards so if you are the type of person that doesn't enjoy working hard, there are jobs like that. If you want to reach the top, sure you have to grind a bit, but that also requires a specific kind of mental illness, background with trauma and low self esteem that attracts an extreme need for external validation. A friend of mine is a very hard worker and doesn't really think about anything except for work. Well, he also has auto immune disease (well established link with stress and trauma) and a volatile personality. He is miserable.

[@pancakemogul]

I know they've always had a great art department but I'm surprised how many times Blizzard is still mentioned as being the dream

[@Jessica-pq1rc]

Agreed! Honestly those big companies sound exhausting to work for. I know two people who work for DC comics and they're always working on insane deadlines. They have to sacrifice quality to meet deadlines and it's so much stress they hardly enjoy the work anymore. It's like DC is just another day-job they wish they could get away from to work on personal art projects.

[@MrMadalien]

Blizzard has kind of fallen off and has a bad reputation, I think these artists are still from that generation that venerated blizzard i.e 10s deviantart generation

[@MrMadalien]

@@Jessica-pq1rc Well, it is an industry after all. I've been working a few years in animation on big projects (I try to stay anon to be more honest) and frankly it is just like anything else in life, it seems like a life changing thing until you actually get it, and then it's just normal, you can easily take it for granted, and yeah a lot of companies are abusive and overworking ppl which is guaranteed to quicken the process of disillusionment. Getting a job at blizzard or whatever it is, will not make you a happy person, it will not solve your life. The grind/process of getting there can be beneficial for you, but actually getting there means very little. After achieving the arbitrary industry goals that I had set for myself I was confronted by the gaping void behind that which I was trying to fill with my career. I still love what I do but I try to maintain a healthy distance from work and realizing things that more important for happiness and satisfaction in life like health, family, etc. i.e the things that I never really had which is precisely why I became an artist early on.

[@Dark_palmtree]

I think people have a hard time putting the artist and business together and so they focus on the art part. I decided to try something different I still have a job but I decided alright let's make a deal with someone and I did almost immediately, so if you are worried start at something small and what you can do and build up

[@reikolupus136]

I'm curios about a little thing: How much time would a professional artist spend drawing per day? I'm curious since, although I don't want to compare the quality of my work with others, since that's not a good way to go, I want to compare how hard I work compared to others. I may not be able to improve the quality from a day to another by comparing quality, but I can push myself to work harder by comparing how hard I work and seeing that I'm not doing enough XD.

[@Jessica-pq1rc]

There's honestly such a huge variety. I've watched videos from full-time artists who are able to make a living working 3-5 hours a day. Some people will work a 12 hour day, but only 3 days a week. One of my professors works for DC comics. He spends 6-8 hours a day drawing, but will often have to work overtime during the weekends to catch up, sometimes working more than 12 hours a day and well past midnight. I think his schedule is giving him stress-related health problems. (He also has to teach classes and grade homework on top of that). I would not recommend that lol. Another professor spent 20 years working as a concept/costume designer for Hollywood. He says in college he spent 8-10 hours a day drawing to improve. The school he went to didn't even allow students to work jobs because they expected them to put those hours into drawing. I'm not saying this to discourage anyone! For most of us, it would be impossible to spend that much time drawing. I'm literally an art student and I start to wear out after 2 hours (I know, that's not a good place to be lol). But I think it's good to realize that if progress seems slow, it's okay - art honestly takes a while to learn and there's no reason to beat ourselves up if we can't put in the same hours as professionals.

[@reikolupus136]

@@Jessica-pq1rc Thanks for your well developed answer! And yeah, sitting down and drawing for hours can be pretty hard. Taking the times given into consideration, then it would be about 5-6 hours per day as an average for a professional that takes care of their health? (So no working on Comics. That's a scary place to get into XD) I'm a bit behind that then, but not for too much, doing about 4-5 per day. Which makes me feel good XD.

[@Jessica-pq1rc]

@@reikolupus136 Happy to help! :) I agree with your estimate: 5-6 hours sounds like a healthy balance. At 4-5 hours a day I think you're going to see amazing progress, and soon!

[@MrMadalien]

A few of my coworkers did a fun experiment in the office at a AAA animation project, we measured how much time we actually spent in photoshop via a program, in one day it was averaging around 2 hours for most ppl. The funny thing is we were "working" for 8 hours but when you add up all the breaks, innocent browsing, switching songs in spotify, bathroom time, etc. even if you are very focused the actual time working is not that much, which is why the most important thing you can do is reduce the extra time you spend in front of screens, so when you work, you are actually truly working. Pomodoro technique is good for improving that.

[@reikolupus136]

@@MrMadalien That's very interesting! I did something like that myself. Wondering how much it actually took me to do a drawing, I started a timer. Hwen I stopped the drawing to check the Internet, go to teh bathroom, etc, I would pause it. When I start again, I would resume the timer. That way I found that it takes me about 12-15 hours for a normal full drawing, from sketch and reference search fo fully shading it. Now, I always have it on while I draw. I try to make the timer say at least 4 Hours every day, ideally 5-6, starting at 4 PM until 2 AM. (Except Sundays). It's very interesting to see what happens when you actually check how much time it takes you to do stuff, and how much time you actually do stuff. Thanks for your story, it's very interesting to know that my procastination is normal even among professionals!

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

This video put a lot of my worries and doubts to rest

[@Zendranoid]

Ayy, actually a dope vid!

[@carolinependleton8445]

Art is so fulfilling but it's really hard work and time consuming.

[@Caddrel]

Bryce Kho's insights here and in your other videos are really good

[@shi9845]

People underestimate not only the skill, but the time it takes to make an art piece. Why am I charging 100$ for this commission? Because it takes me 7 hours. And no, if commission someone for 30$ you won't get the same result.

[@radoartcraft]

I love what Glenn Rane said. Ima big fan. His art is rad

[@ecru_5819]

Shout out to the person with the Wiggler helmet

[@Crimzon_Nova]

2 myths in one. 2 people saying art is not a job. the first are the ones who don't understand that one can get payed doing art and people will pay them. the other, thinking that it is fun and a breeze, for fun it is, but when you are looking to pay the bills, you gotta put in the effort like the ones shoveling dirt and typing in a computer, it's not so much a breeze but can be fun if you love the effort and reward in it.

[@EL-qw7rp]

omaigodddd Miss Tran Nguyen.... my idol!

[@MightyDraws]

02:54 👈👈👈👈 real advice right there!👌

[@hibyenow20]

Great video! I appreciate the honesty from the pros... It's a grind and worth it if it's what you love. Thank you for the inspiration.

[@emmanuelmartinez3217]

Second and third guy were the most accurate

[@idkdude969]

nice love it

[@dargossss]

This has nothing to do with the theme of the video but, Fian Arroyo is ripped!

[@sumaiyatuliart]

This so beautiful

[@deyaa2856]

Make a video on how to draw a skull please

[@reyhannasrallah4470]

Sinix design has a good video on it

[@scenepunk09]

This must have been filmed before the major Blizzard controversy this year..

[@royalecrafts6252]

You wont do art at blizzard btw, mostly concept art which is far from art

[@emmanuelmartinez3217]

Sixth one knows cause I had a art job and sucked yes I learned skills yet hated it

[@hear1]

WOW 😃

[@n_communicates8030]

They really like, "like" a lot.

[@deyaa2856]

How to draw a skull using the Loomis method from the side, the front and three quarters

[@asimian8500]

Loomis, Reilly, and other construction methods are important when you start, but ultimately you need to keep them in the back of your mind but not rely on them. What happens is that you get the "same face/body" syndrome. Faces and bodies are unique. Draw from real life or photos if you can.

[@bybpow]

Music is a little bit loud in my opinion.

[@SuperSnakeMan8]

Never give up cause I ain't! I'm gonna make comics!

[@that_01_introvert77]

Many people here in India don't see art as a career option they just think it is a hobby. Im not sure about every indian but atleast as many people I have met they do believe that (including my parents). I hope this won't hurt anyone emotions. ❤️

[@arc8475]

Yes, you are absoulutely correct. They think drawing is for kids :(

[@that_01_introvert77]

@@arc8475 and here I was worried that only my parents think like that. Thanks for proving me wrong👀😂

[@arc8475]

@@that_01_introvert77 😆

[@malmamunmoon9925]

amazing

[@MrKfadrat]

wow, people still want to work at blizzard? o.O

[@tst_kaneki162]

"Wear many hats" i hear that a lot what's that mean?

[@Window4503]

Be competent at the business and marketing sides of art, not just doing art

[@Ossian-dr1vr]

Isnt this more about being an illustrator rather than an artist?

[@DivNguyen]

Bà Trần vẽ đỉnh quó

[@emmanuelmartinez3217]

First guy was self projecting a lot and said none and just said a lot of stereotypes

[@suhaibodat531]

Does anyone know who the thumbnail art belongs to

[@julimibz]

It might be Loish (Lois van Baarle) but I'm not sure.

[@PJYJY12]

It belongs to Xiao Tong Kong (aka @Velinxi)!! Her art is really good😄

[@julimibz]

@@PJYJY12 Ah, thank you so much for clarifying that. I'm definitely going to check out her art :D

[@suhaibodat531]

@@PJYJY12 thank youuuuu

[@suhaibodat531]

@@julimibz yeah loish have a similar style

[@emmanuelmartinez3217]

The forth one just doesn’t own the artist name

[@coloring4life]

👍👍

[@SkyfishArt]

the audio made this very difficult to listen to.

[@Thollis1987]

I would like to see more artistic drawings from the comic convention.

[@nationalhamleague5352]

Wow way to miss the point.

[@Thollis1987]

@@nationalhamleague5352 What that I want to see more drawings from certain people who are clearly gifted from a specific table at a comic con?

[@timhendrix414]

He only got 3000 likes the first post and after a repost 100K likes, so don’t be sad about likes, me, only get 6 likes 😂

[@mrkshply]

There is no such thing as talent. You suck and then you get better and then you get good

[@spirit9686]

comforted knowing at least a third of these folks will either die or become sterile due to covid

[@MrMadalien]

wat

[@faitttth]

are you okay

[@ansumannarzary6946]

In India, you can't make a living as an artist

[@teamili7957]

I saw this one beautiful Indian animation not too long ago. I really liked it kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYSum6uogZWAjdE

[@pinktrue5647]

Work as outsource maybe?

[@ansumannarzary6946]

@@pinktrue5647 the scenario is changing in my country now!

[@johnvonmartin7501]

Same in my country but that's no excuse

[@anweshasaha8662]

@@johnvonmartin7501 I guess he or she is not giving an excuse the thing is that in India there is very few numbers of opportunities to make a living or like to be able to pay ur bills btw I'm also an Indian & I'm not really against you I just want to say dat it's really hard for artist in India I hope someday artist get lots of opportunities to show their work

[@tzza9668]

It's a shame they are wearing masks.

[@vllad74]

Because they still watching cnn, msbc, etc... People are not thinking with their heads anymore...

[@moderndayjames]

@@vllad74 it was literally required to get into the event

[@ProkoTV]

Lotta dumb people out there in comments, James! No need to reply to them lol

[@darcygrimm8354]

I was lookin on steam one day and saw I had 2000 hours on a game. I grinded on that game. Then I was like. Art is a grind. Maybe I just do it how I played that game.