Biggest Changes Since Wipe - Armor Update EXPLAINED - Escape From Tarkov

[@green_2159]

The .50 cal heavy machine gun round being stopped by a bicep tells me I need to get to the gym more.

[@user-qw3ny5bj7d]

Back in the day they implemented arms penetration specifically to fix the issue with chiken wing meta. But i do remember that penetration was supposed to only happen when the arm was blacked out. I dont know when or why it stopped being the case later. But i feel like it should be a solution to the bouth problems. As i see it - there should be 2 thresholds of ammo pen value that dictates if the bullet is able to pen the arm hitbox: 1. around 35 pen (as it was previously) - bullet will penetrate arms ONLY when it hits already blacked hitbox. This will practically elliminate the problem of arms tanking too much damage, while also leaving them able to tank 1 or 2 hits, preventing random thorax oneshots through shoulder. 2. 60+ pen - bullet will be able to penetrate arm hitbox on the first hit. There are not that many ammunition with over 60 pen, all of it are quite rare and i feel like this change would give it special purpose in game. Ofc exac pen values are a subject to balance and i sugest it only as example. If you think that this concept is better then what we have now, it would be cool if you could share it with BSG team, because they pretty much unavailable to general public and only listen to small ammount of people around tarkov media scene.

[@omaewanani3887]

they are constantly reverting same changes and bugs over and over again, i wonder, maybe it's lack of documentation in dev process or general irresponsibility or smth like that

[@Schimml0rd]

​@@omaewanani3887 it's a skill issue; i think they simply don't know how to code very well and by now their entire project is (dysfunctional) spaghetti

[@floben3041]

​@@omaewanani3887maybe because it's still a beta and we are testing a new armor system?

[@liamfreelund3096]

I understand the argument for increased TTK, but this change disproportionately screws over the AXMC and Ash-12. Both guns are priced and balanced around having ammo that 1 shots to the thorax, but when a bicep stops .338 AP 25% of the time, it feels really shitty

[@Airwingmarine]

You won't find any disagreement with me on that. My limited support for this changed is based on the assumption it's a stop gap to get us to a better fix to the overall mechanics and not a perm change.

[@FUNKER420]

​@@Airwingmarine And that's why this game is never gonna actually be fixed is because most of the big names like you airwing have that sentiment your completely ok with them updating the game making it worst and somehow that's still ok because its just temporary lol. What a joke just fix the problem. These devs fix issues like politicians fix problems

[@ItBeLikeThatSometimes247]

I feel the AXMC fix is easy due to its insane muzzle velocity. Make rounds that are +1000mps impact targets differently.

[@vultureTX001]

@@ItBeLikeThatSometimes247 every time you increase the difficulty/variability of the shooting, that is MORE code for BSG to foul up on a patch. As Arena proved, code merges are literally unscripted at BSG

[@GiRR007]

Better actually hit the thorax then.

[@Opachki69420]

I really hope they don't keep the arm like this, thats pretty busted that you can stop a .338 with your shoulder and just live

[@TheVoidxi]

This is bsg babysitting streamers that are mad about getting one tapped in the armpit claiming armor is useless and such......

[@AdmiralTypeZero]

@@TheVoidxi I only got armpitted once or twice whole wipe never understood the fuss coming from streamers.

[@Nomadic12347]

higher end armor was useless. if the area of protection was so small before.. what was the use of other ammos other than rip rounds

[@erickmerryman109]

Dont let the kids who dont leave their PC or streamers hear you. They need to be able to tank all your rounds with the armors they grind out while you work or study LUL.

[@Opachki69420]

@@Nomadic12347 rip rounds never could pen your arm, you needed 20 or more pen. Now I can tank a 70 pen ARMor piercing round lol

[@GoodDay2USir]

Thank you for taking the time to try and make sense of this crazy complex system!

[@Airwingmarine]

Very welcome!

[@CaesartheX]

No matter what they change or how they tweak thing, the tried and true method of taking rip ammo and spraying the legs remaisn undefeated

[@incediumignis]

i enjoy running vector 9x19 with 50 rounders and pst ammo and laying in a bush next to customs dorms, its so funny seeing somebody get mag dumped and panic and somehow not die after that many bullets.

[@awsomesprinkles]

​@@incediumignis eat rocks

[@tyrincarnate3854]

Papasha my beloved

[@mortythemort]

@@incediumignisThis is why Tarkov sucks nowadays. This dumbass rat meta

[@ja-chrispy5566]

All my fights in the last month have been getting headshot as soon as I fight someone 😭. My fights don't feel prolonged at all.

[@itskleb5641]

we dont need more dumb PvP RNG in this game We need •Game Breaking Bugs fixed that everybody obusses since months/years •Better Performance •Good Anti Cheat •Stable Servers •No Blue Screens •Audio Fixes •Lighting fixes ...

[@Drunk0nCustard]

Thanks bud for your input, do you have any fixes for these? how does one upload an entirely new audio system into an outdated engine? how does one change an outdated engine? how does one get their hands on a quality anticheat that isnt personel/admins manually doing it(abt 100 staff at bsg btw)? name an anticheat to combat the highly toxic and weasel cheats that are currently running in eft? how do we "fix lighting" ?? name a fix for bugs you didnt list.. my servers are stable, which part isnt? and finally blue screens? never had one.. please ad a sliver of helpful fixes/ideas besides "its bad fix it"....

[@itskleb5641]

@@Drunk0nCustard ? lil Buddy Bsg Fan Boy you are the reason games are trash these days 🤣 I dont need to bring solutions.. I buy game = dev gets money = dev fixes game.. U got low iq or some? Anyway.. 1. How does it come you hear gun shots good vertically and horizontally but foot steps not?! ..Make steps work like gunshot Audio! 2. Use all your resources available to upgrade to a new engine.. they should have (atleast had before they spent it for Real life events updates nobody asked for like armor plates and Tarkov Con..) enough money to do that! Just wrong Priority's 3. Get something like Valorants "Vanguard kernel-level anticheat" also they should have enough employees to give some the task to watch and manually ban people who get allot of reports/ have sus stats (Sus stats are not just a high kd.. sus stars are stats that are typlice for cheaters and RMT'ers! Pretty easy to identify many of them! 4. Lighting Fixed = Make spots that get no sun light less dark! 🤣 dumb a question.. they kinda already did that on Interchange for example but not enough.. also on Customs for example top floor Fortress is way tpp dark on brought daylight 💀🤣.. If they cant fix it normally then just add a ton of lamps and shit to the dark maps.. What do they think how lighting rooms in rl works hahaha.. 5. Good for you.. my Servers are not stable.. I sometimes get packetloss and random disconnects as soon as I join a Server (I play on Ger Servers and I am from Germany..) BUY STABLE SERVERS, GET GOOD ANTI DDOS, DONT LET PEOPLE VACUUM CHEAT ON YOUR SERVERS SO THEY DONT LAG BCS OF THAT! 6.Good for you.. I and like 80% of the Tarkov community has bluescreens or random game crashes every now and then its very annoying in a game where you risk as much and put as much time in a single round as Tarkov.. Use same solution as in Number 2.. 7. [Free Extra Solution🥳🥳🎉] Fix Bugs: Binoral Audio 1.Sprint Bug = Disable Binoral Audio for every one since its fixed. 2. No Sound when you Crab Walk Bug = Make it make some Sound. 3. Arms tank Shots Bug = Arms get blacked = Disable canted mount till its fixed 4. Slap Plate for Helmets tank every shot and dont get damaged = Disable them till fixed.. and so on.. I bought this game in EOD for 115€ back when it was more playable and enjoy able.. Now I gotta do the Devs work by coming up with ideas for solutions bcs some Fanboy defends the Devs for not making their Job 🤣🤣🤣🤣 🥷🏿 im 💀

[@NukeOverlord]

They've done it. Left hand peeks are finally better than right hand peeks :)

[@TheVoidxi]

This makes a lot of shit yesterday understandable..... sometimes things felt unkillable and other times shit just fell over....

[@Airwingmarine]

The damage numbers look fucky too... Like you'll have 10 hits but only about half the damage you should... Just more complex convoluted systems that make people not trust what they are seeing because they don't understand it.

[@poisonouslead85]

​@Airwingmarine did the blunt damage seem random to you as well? It feels really random.

[@poisonouslead85]

​@Airwingmarine did the blunt damage seem random to you as well? It feels really random.

[@poisonouslead85]

​@Airwingmarine did the blunt damage seem random to you as well? It feels really random.

[@Airwingmarine]

​@@poisonouslead85 No, they are very consistent based on ammo type, plate type, and armor levels.

[@voggers2593]

I don't see how keeping bullets from penetrating most of a body is helping at all. Was getting collateralled ever even an issue? I guess rounds could hit your back plate after going through your body, but that really doesn't seem like an issue. All it does is band-aid the armpit hit-box, and it's an awful band-aid at that. It's made worse by the fact that the blacked arm damage multiplier is more than half, so a PMC has effectively double HP if you're shooting them in the arms. That needs to be changed too. I mean the total HP is already 440, so with most rounds in the game dealing damage in the 40-60 range (before fall-off), you would take upwards of 10+ rounds to the arm to die *if* the damage was 1:1, in-game right now it's twice that. Absolutely ridiculous.

[@nocodenoblunder6672]

Totally agree it’s not a bug but rather a very poor workaround to the underlaying problem.

[@nocodenoblunder6672]

For some people it was an issue cause they died to the armpit hit-box which is not covered by armor. So you could be shot into the arm, have the bullet pass trough and hit your thorax via arm pit hitbox.

[@user-qw3ny5bj7d]

@@nocodenoblunder6672 In that case i dont really see the point in having armpit hitbox. If, in general, bullets could hit thorax through arms and shoulders. I guess it would be better to just remove it and leave everything else as it was. Low pen rounds couldnt go through arms, medium pen rounds could, but the damage could be reduced via shoulder armor in some cases. high per ammo piercing everything like it supposed to, brining more value into flanking and hitting enemy from the side, where he is more vulnerable. instead BSG just shot themselves in the foot again with going completely 180 on their previous fix to the chiken wing problem and introducing a lot of randomness in TTK back again.

[@Opachki69420]

​@@nocodenoblunder6672as someone who doesnt even run a helmet, thats mostly a skill issue

[@nocodenoblunder6672]

@@user-qw3ny5bj7d I think bullets with reasonable pen should pass through arms with reduced dmg and pen. Also I think armpit hit box could be a thing but the direction which the round enters the body needs to be taken into account. If you get shot from the front to your armpit it should not do much dmg as is does not hit anything vital although hitting your thorax. If you get shoot from the side, through the arm, it passes, hits you in the armpit, bypasses your armour and goes straigh into your body, you should be fucked since then this shoot was center mass.

[@JuffBeezos]

"You're not going to die because of blunt damage." Not me getting killed by T ammo blunt damage to a level 6 plate after a nasty PvP.

[@Tillice]

ive died from a single round of .45acp due to blunt damage after a nasty fight lol

[@Opachki69420]

I shot a guy in the back of his fast mt from about 100m with a tac x lapua round He took 11 damage 😂

[@Tillice]

jeesssusss @@Opachki69420

[@ChrisShanks2709]

Production quality went up a notch - great work!!!

[@Airwingmarine]

thanks! We spent a ton of time on this.

[@GiRR007]

Anything that increase ttk in the game is a good thing.

[@lllOXKlll]

they should have outter hitboxes at the very edges of the character to simulate grazing shots. u get pain , the getting shot effect. and some damage. but mostly not lethal unless u hit closer to the center. and it doesnt have to be huge. just... 1 cm in in the head box i think

[@Airwingmarine]

Yeah, the mix of a realistic armor system with an unrealistic 'vital' system is the biggest failing of all of this IMO. I've spoken with a few folks who work in Unity, and they don't believe it's an easy, or even practical system for BSG to switch to. Most ideas or systems would require nearly a complete overhaul of the health system and I just don't see that happening.

[@lllOXKlll]

we need the best C# coder in the world @@Airwingmarine

[@Rikushio17]

The canted sight reminds me of the canted arm shield strat we used to do back in PUBG. Then they invented arm pen and the strat was gone.

[@HOBOTw1tcH]

Thanks for all of this testing. Guys like you don’t get enough credit for what you do for the community

[@Airwingmarine]

Thanks!

[@jeffhart4361]

Seriously, bullets can pen trees but not my arms, but my pmc is still weak as shit? Explain how this works lol Imo this is a stupid decision that undermines the realism of the new armor system, and the gunplay. I suggest making the armpit hitbox smaller and/or covered in part by the side armor. Can still get unlucky, but its less often. Also provides upsides to picking armor with better side and shoulder/upper arm coverage. Bullets of at least 30 pen should pass through a naked arm.

[@libertusprimus]

Lol "realism"

[@mikedebakker5820]

The best possible solution is honestly just to go back to the old armor system. No one had any complaints about that.

[@Xenix-xb4gw]

Classic bsg being bullied by streamers. This is how we got that old recoil btw.

[@Xenix-xb4gw]

​@@mikedebakker5820I wanted the new system. I thought it'd slow people down. If your armor is less reliable. Try not to get shot.

[@mikedebakker5820]

@@Xenix-xb4gw Hell yeah even more reasons not to move in this damn game. Also scavs will just spawn behind you in areas that you've already cleared and start shooting at you through like 3 sets of bushes and they particulairly like to target your armpit. How am I supposed to avoid getting shot by them?

[@nox2889]

Great work as always but I still have so many questions related to armor material and durability. Really hoping you do another video on these stats. Thanks for all the hard work. I know this stuff takes a lot of work but from someone who loves this game it really is appreciated.

[@Airwingmarine]

Working on that video next.

[@floomuscw6628]

Your time and dedication benefit us all, thank you all :)

[@gmclucy]

arms being impenetrable insane armor and canted sight meta is so stupid, literally anything is better than that

[@patattack1919]

Maybe they're about to differentiate rounds. It would make sense if your arm would stop a hollow point.

[@ItIsYouAreNotYour]

Yeah, soon PMC's will just be cyborgs. Maybe melee will actually be good then. I want to be able to jump really high in the air and do a slam with my fist. Right on a guy in a bush!

[@dyslexic9650]

There is no shot your arm is stopping a hollow point. That shits going to frag in your arm and blow out the other side and pepper what ever is on the other side

[@cthulhurage4580]

Fun fact if your PMC was a real soldier hed know to keep his torso forward facing minimizing the open hips and arms being infront of your chest as much a solution brought by the fact that taking a round to arm makes you useless and prone to dying fast.

[@ItIsYouAreNotYour]

@@dyslexic9650 Not if my biceps have anything to say about it!

[@psychobarnes8333]

Thanks for all you do sir. Keep up the great work. And thanks for the guys helping out there.

[@Airwingmarine]

You bet

[@lidla2008]

Hoping you guys were accounting for the fragmentation bug that's been in the game forever - any round with

[@Airwingmarine]

Yes we accounted for that

[@Ya_Boy_Bruh]

13:30 my personal experience 9 minutes left into a nighthouse raid after min maxing every slot in two lbcr in a raid bag killing and looting every rogue I got random one shot armpit by a lead slug without a warning scream or anything by an AI scav while I had an osprey p on

[@bonk902]

I think they should add damage reduction depending on a bullets penetration value as bullets like m80 and BP not going through an unprotected arm in just silly, but dealing less damage to thorax makes sense.

[@-NoodleBoy]

They should make it where only things that can pen class 2 armor can pen the arms and hit your armpit. If it cannot pen class 2 it will do normal flesh DMG.

[@ZeroOne-mp1qe]

6:52 That's absolutely wild. What I don't even begin to understand is that in Raid Episode 5 with the DSHK shooting the Black Division operators, it absolutely shreds them to pieces.

[@dukesofdevon]

Anything that extends fights is good. I think the arm blocking rounds is supposed to stop the one tap armpits, but it is a dumb fix. Should have just removed the armpit box...

[@mrjoehimself]

High quality in all aspects, well done, keep up the hard work!

[@willlive6845]

The problem I feel is that damage is still based off of numbers and not vital organ. Like that thorax and stomache hit boxes should be 3 zones each. The outer zones with the arm pit should take less damage overall since you aren’t getting shot in a vital organ. Centermass shots should deal way more damage. Then you could add pen back onto the arms. If someone is shooting your from the front then it doesn’t matter if your get arm penned because you will take significantly less thorax damage because it’s going through a non vital area of the thorax’s. If you get shot from the side then the round passes the non vital area into the vital area. This would also make armor more effective and more realistic. Along with taking out the current cheese because of the changes they made. Just my two cents.

[@nocodenoblunder6672]

I have to agree. A good model needs to take into account where the bullet enters and at what angle and how it passes through the body. If a bullet enters at the side of the torax and the direction is outwards it should do less dmg then when its inwards. That would be realistic and feel good but hey you can instead make bullets disappear into thin air that probably easier.

[@acenio654]

Except that would just make the fights feel way less consistent and often leave the player feeling cheated

[@fettgummie9685]

this was my thought with the hitbox changes as well and it shouldnt be that hard to implement a dmg modifier to hitboxes to balance the whole i only have a max of lvl3 aramid beside my lvl5 plate at the side of my thorax and die to 2 shots of anything that wouldnt pen my plate but got throught the aramit in a glancing shot but it would need to work with sideways shots in a way that makes sense dmg wise to not get back to senseless thorax oneshots of ammos that dont do enough dmg with ne shot

[@Elvy3358]

Marine, I got a very uncommon request for you, could you try testing damage on someone when their soft armor is completely destroy but with plates at full health? And then test a armor/rig that got only plates, no soft armor, just to see if the destroyed soft armor still change anything just by existing there?

[@Airwingmarine]

We did in this testing. It acts the same as if your wearing a rig without aramid. Same with a plate that is zero'd but also has functional aramid behind it. Proper function.

[@nocodenoblunder6672]

I am sorry but arms not letting high pen bullets trough at all is so stupid. Reduce dmg, reduce pen after passing sure. Right now the game feels like either you land a headshot or they tank a lot even with crappy armor although you land shots center mass. It really seems like a workaround not being able to implement a proper system for this instead just make the bullet disappear. This seems like a direct result of people complaining being killed trough armpit hitbox.

[@Xenix-xb4gw]

They made this huge equalizing armor update where you can land chest shots with good shot placement. And then found ways to fully cheese around the whole thing by making every pmc stop the world's most powerful ap rounds. So to fix a non issue they made the game significantly less realistic because some tarkov streamers bullied them into it. Pathetic.

[@bezellik]

would love to see a thorough explanation of how armor layering works for the purpose of stuff like slap plates, bastion helmet etc. Never really understood it.

[@cyanon32]

Great video, thanks for all this work Airwing.

[@Airwingmarine]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@onpatrolforthejuice]

I think, if it turns out like you said, then I agree this is a good temporary fix for the problem and hopefully they find a more elegant fix then this workaround.

[@StAjoraGames]

Could fragmentation only happen if the round hit armor first? Meat is soft and since most body parts don't allow the round to pass through any damage behind that part just can't happen. Basically I wonder if fragmentation (assuming it's still implemented) can only happen after it has passed through the first layer of everything in the round's path. Also I noticed that 2 of the 3 hit boxes that allow rounds to go through have absolutely no way to "armor" them in game (it would be 3 of 3 but a few face coverings have neck protection right?). I don't know what the means or if it's even related but it's just something I noticed.

[@Airwingmarine]

No, previously fragmentation could happen in all sorts of places, some of them unintentional, and some of them only when AI shot you not PMCs. The whole system was a buggy mess that I believe caused a ton more problems with the new armor system.

[@idekwytic]

At the beginning of the wipe I was having so much fun once I figured out what the armor was generally doing but after the revert patch I haven't liked playing as much. The game feels way too clunky, inconsistent and unstable. I think this comes from BSG not knowing what they wanted to do until the game had defined itself already and now they are trying to change it and it feels like they don't know how to do that, or even if it is a good idea.

[@12345farris]

oh god, i remember being with you to help testing when people started smackin' each other with knives

[@Airwingmarine]

Thanks for helping out!

[@12345farris]

@Airwingmarine Anytime my man, anytime.

[@3stone1]

I think putting so much quests on lighthouse wich in my opinion is a broken unfun mess and then putting even more quests on streets wich is poorly optimized, hurts this game the most.

[@mariusmaxttv]

THE DIDNT CHANGE THE 762/39 HP....... I DIE THIS WEEK AT LEAST 5 TIMES TO 1 HIT TORAX WITH LVL 5 ARMOR FROM FRONT ATTACK(NO ARM PIT) ITS SO BROKEN

[@Airwingmarine]

It just hit your soft armor and missed the plate. This and the lead slug rounds are why I urge everyone to wear class 3 aramid and not 2. Go check out my other armor videos that explain how the plates and soft armor work.

[@LoneWolf_RO]

SOOO can someone pls sum it up? 23 minutes i did not understand a thing...what's the best armor???

[@SleepySteve79]

That scav example sluggin you hits to close for comfort :' (

[@AlhazredTheMad]

Obviously Nikita was sick of dying to scav armpit shots.

[@poisonouslead85]

He's the one who made the scavs have a hateboner for the left armpit.

[@garretwoeller7669]

I hope the Samurai armor is even better now

[@brendankeith249]

Honestly bsg said a long time ago they want a realistic shooter, they should have left the armor where they had it this wipe and just tweeked the plates cuz now they are literally breaking the game... you can't have a realistic game and have unrealistic armor mechanics.. the old armor was broken the new armor before the nerfs was better after the nerfs is now more broken then the old armor

[@Airwingmarine]

I think you have it a little backwards. The armor system is more realistic, the problem is the health system is not. That incongruency is what is causing most of the issues.

[@brendankeith249]

@Airwingmarine that's understandable but the only reason the arms are messed up now is cuz people complained that they were dieing to easily when shot in the nape or the shoulders and I'm like we'll you die quick cuz there is no armor there now zabroler armor or the other that has the arm protection those you shouldn't die easy

[@godskitten49]

All of these past the original release (and fixing) of the new armour system I think demonstrate that it is flawed when in context of interacting with other mechanics. And that we need radical changes to it inorder to make it feel fairer and more consistent, whilst keeping the good parts of the new system. Here's some of my ideas: >Realign the animation of ADS'd models to have their chest face where they're shooting. Considering how much effort BSG has gone to inorder to make the game feel authentic, this is one thing they've seemingly overlooked and it's reared it's ugly face with this new system: This should've already been the case considering soldiers are taught to face their chests towards the enemy so their plates can actually cover their vitals. In-game this would massively reduce the amount of times you get, essentially, scraped by a bullet to your (protected by hurtbox: THORAX) ribs and (unprotected) armpits. The changes to making the upper arms unpenetrable is a bandaid change that this would fix. Although shots to the collarbone (protected by hurtbox: THORAX) would be the same. Overall this change should happen regardless of the next ones. -- Next are two changes I see as mutually exclusive: Either one, or the other: - >Add a damage reduction system to the thorax based on how far away from the center of the hurtbox (from the perspective of the shooter) the bullet lands: The further away the less damage dealt upto 60% or 50% less. By 'from the perspective of the shooter' what is meant is that if you hit the armpit from the front, there will be a damage reduction, but if you hit the armpit from the side, there will be none. This *could* be done by using the code BSG has to decide whether a shot to the helmet will ricochet or not (fun fact, some plates can ricochet too but the angles are very oblique and so it's incredibly rare. Or just doesn't work at all. But the stats for it are there). The system should reduce the damage of bullets that 'scrape' past your ribs/armpit dramatically and reduce damage to collar shots to about 80/70%. The intended consequences is that only high damage rounds could 2/3 shot your thorax when hitting outside of the plate, which would also slightly buff integrated armour since you'd have a damage reduction from it, and this system. Or. >Add a 'Vitals' hurtbox inside the thorax hurtbox, that has very little health (but does not take damage from explosives nor bleeding), and add back in the ability for bullets to penetrate the thorax so that they can hit the Vitals. Then make Thorax a 'non-vital' area that doesn't cause instant death when blacked out by direct or spill-over damage. Some pen values would most likely have to be changed inorder to let low pen bullets to hit the vitals (depending on the given penetration required to penetrate the thorax), perhaps bring back fragmentation for these rounds although that mechanics seems to do nothing but bring trouble. Regardless this system too would reward good shot placement (hence, too, plates which protect the vitals) and punish bad shot placement. -- Although I heavily doubt any of these will be developed, not an insult to BSG but they do things their own way, but as seen, many times this has a clear negative effect on the majority of the playerbase.

[@SiberianOldPal]

Yes! "Vitals" could be good. And grazing hits. Grazing hit on the cheek will kill character in game, but I suppose a man can get only a bad scratch

[@blimpgaming8534]

7:35 Bro doing that marine math, 100 reduced by 51% equals 41 damage

[@YxSEF]

This might sound silly, but limbs should have an armor class for penetrating. Arms and legs are class 2 and stomach and thorax can be class 3.

[@michaelproper1071]

Why dont they use a system where the arm reduces the penetration or damage of a bullet that would have previously penetrated through instead of stopping it completely

[@Airwingmarine]

That's what it was before

[@MoonLiteNite]

A funny fix they could do is give your armors an armor value, once blacked out. So with a blacked out arm, it now acts as a level 3 armor with so much HP. That way you go from a "black" bullet sponge, to shredded flesh that a bullet can pen

[@Airwingmarine]

This was essentially how the system worked before this patch.

[@Phoenix55rus]

At the moment, KZbinr GeorG has already conducted a test on bullet penetration and the damage behind armor from "aramid" packets, and an unpleasant detail emerged. Often, the server just can't accurately calculate the damage and penetration, leading to situations where a bullet, which shouldn't be lethal or penetrate, ends up killing a PMC simply because there are too many armor packets in the bullet's flight path.

[@thalus5990]

I prefer if PMCs are to tanky than not tanky enough. I proposed 2 solutions one quick and easy and one ideal but BSG decided to make arms no penetrable instead. Quick and easy solution: For easy visualization area that fits under hexgrid should have normal dmg and everything outside that on the chest hitbox should take like half dmg. Ideal solution would be to have Extra hitbox for lungs and heart. Heart could even be 100% dmg Lungs 50% Dmg and rest of chest 50%. So if bullet hit in to chest it does at least 50% of its dmg, if also pass thru lungs it does another 50%. Armor system is great but because half assed hitboxes drags it down. Plates do not work as designed and how they could i they should cover vital organs but our PMCs have vital organs everywhere.

[@Kit--_--]

Idk about everyone else, but I die to blunt damage pretty often, maybe 2 of 5 deaths are from blunt damage

[@longplaylegends]

@13:20, not quite that, but I did have an AI scav 360 no-scope me with .366 AP-M at Dorms during beginning of the wipe LMAO. After killing two juicers, too...

[@Mr64442]

i actually want to know something i cant find an answer to about armor which is now that all the armors have the same matrail under the plates which are considered heavy or light armors? as only the plates are marked as heavy or light ans my goal this wipe was to have fun maxing the armor skills which is harder to do without knowing if the aryramid taking hits works on which skill light or heavy

[@MIKEKN0WSshorts]

22:00 this guy looks like bubbles from tpb lmao

[@dudekindaguy]

We are back in 2016 with canted red dots and canted grips to get that arm in front of your chest. Aint shit changed

[@Opachki69420]

except we have less black limb damage and you cant hit the armor under even with a fucking lapua

[@dudekindaguy]

Holy shit I didn’t even consider not being able to pen black limbs…

[@sorakchan]

wait i cant find the patch notes anywhere did they not post it?

[@TheFatesBack]

Im pretty torn on the hitbox stuff, I like it all in theory but in actual practice I dislike the ttk being much faster via the throat hitbox extending the instant kill area down much further compared to when it was just the head

[@kinsgaming8197]

i had on a lvl 5 with no neck protection and a killa face mask pretty early in the wipe the very first bullet to hit me instakilled me cuz i was "hit in the neck" listen i know in real life a bullet to the neck is death but like come the fck on...... i was wearing better kits this wipe than i usually would the amount of oopsie doo looks like i booped the one tiny section which doesnt stop this hahaha fuck you back 2 lobby retard.... 9mm instakilling while my armor is 100% has made me quit tarkov lol

[@MrRavioli]

Yeah I tried to collat 2 headshots, makes sense why only 1 died now

[@Good_Username]

Oh I will no longer be able to do collateral one-taps across map! Such a shame...

[@ShortPistonGasOperatedBolt]

got one tapped by .336 fmj to the thorax through a lvl 4 plate a week ago, and one tapped by 7mm buck to the thorax at about 40m through a lvl 5 plate

[@Airwingmarine]

They aren't going through your plate, they are going around them

[@ShortPistonGasOperatedBolt]

@@Airwingmarine around them as in like breaking the laws of physics? Or some other way?

[@Airwingmarine]

The plates don't completely cover your thorax.

[@ShortPistonGasOperatedBolt]

@@Airwingmarine Ah, so it was most likely an upper thorax shot?

[@Airwingmarine]

@@ShortPistonGasOperatedBolttops and sides. Check out one of my earlier videos explaining how the system works cause it's pretty complex and confusing

[@SalmonShrk]

I feel called out with that shoreline scav comment 😂

[@erickmerryman109]

Saying the games better with canted sight meta/ invincible arms rather than having a tiny insta kill hit box on your side is wild.

[@Airwingmarine]

I didn't say the canted arm meta makes the game better. I said not getting two shot regardless of your armor through your arm is better IN SPITE of the other issues. I'm speaking generally about how the game feels when we play it, not how good or bad a system is.

[@Yamaazaka]

Scavs having flesh rounds and 1 shotting my armpit is why I uninstalled this wipe

[@nocodenoblunder6672]

@@Yamaazakaso you like arms being the best armor in the game?

[@typhlosion4223]

That was an old bug about 2 years ago with the Russian Microsight was king. Strange

[@JuffBeezos]

It is better. Far better. This is a change that, for once, benefits people that actually push rather than camp. I can actually move around the map freely without worrying about a rat or scav hitting my arm and being as effective as a headshot.

[@HOBOTw1tcH]

The dude with rubber arms and a canted sight is driving my OCD nuts

[@infinityd8448]

They should increase damage modifier for arms (maybe same as legs) now, if top of the arms are not penetrable.

[@desertrat814]

Anyone else notice shotguns being nerfd because of the changes... feel like killing potential fell way off with this patch.

[@ARob055]

Glasses always took the damage first from what I remember

[@Chevalier_knight]

Can we get some new testing on glasses some videos are stating only three of them have glow now and glasses like crossbows have been fixed with 14.1 but they didnt show the testing on screen.

[@Airwingmarine]

Mine is still good. kzbin.info/www/bejne/foekXoSPdsmWi7c

[@Chevalier_knight]

@@Airwingmarine iv seen this one in some videos testing it last month they where saying that most of those are now fixed like the crossbows it was simple survial video that tested it but he didnt show his testing just a small fast clip of testing

[@labcoat22]

Thanks for all of the hard work and explanations again

[@Airwingmarine]

My pleasure!

[@ugachaka2614]

Great vid as is tradition=) U need a counter for how many volunteer life it took to do curent testing. P.S.: the sword on a helmet part cracked me up so much-)))

[@Airwingmarine]

You should go watch the whole interaction on the VoD, those two goofballs were screwing around the entire time and I didn't realize it till we went back and looked at all the footage 🤣

[@FutureLaugh]

do you have to be actively ADS to make this chicken wing defense theory work or jus thave the canted sight on the gun? do i need the canted sight plus the canted grip? will one of the 2 work?

[@Sin-zl4bi]

you do need to ADS, as ADS causes you to raise your gun to your face/ chicken wing. Just need canted sight, grips are grips for the most part I believe. (at least when I run it, I do se-5's with a canted sight)

[@armypenguin]

at 13:59 does anyone keep hearing marimba mario theme? Also A+ work to airwing and the others.

[@Frost_Trow]

If anyone could nail a warthunder ad it's definitely airwingmarine

[@Airwingmarine]

I've actually been playing and enjoying the game quite a bit... When folks described it as being like Tarkov I didn't understand till I got about 80 hours into it... now when I'm plying I'm like "why the hell am I playing this, this isn't fun..." Then I get like 5 kills in a single tank, refill the dopamine loop, and reset my bad feelings about it 🤣 Just like Tarkov...

[@Frost_Trow]

@@Airwingmarine yeah I know exactly what you mean. There was a period where all I did was play tarkov and war thunder back to back and it genuinely made me step away from the computer for a month it was so not relaxing haha

[@xxthecraftxx6447]

So use a mix of flesh damage and pen ammo

[@evanpennington1130]

im confused i watched the entire video, is the arm now a bullet sponge or did they make it so you can pen arm now

[@Airwingmarine]

4:42

[@william6072]

I honestly don't enjoy the new armor system because it just feels so inconsistent. All the invisible hitboxes for different parts, plates only covering some small area, all the convoluted armor layers interaction, it all makes me nostalgic for the old tarkov, despite its flaws. I like hardcore realism as much as the next guy, but this change in particular I didnt like, particularly its arena implementation.

[@Airwingmarine]

I agree with the inconsistent part. It sucks... BUT. This update made a huge step in making it more consistent. Is the mechanic in doing so good? Yes and No... Fingers crossed it's a stop gap till they can get a better system implemented and this isn't the final state...

[@SenTeoRecord]

Hey Wing, what about Blunt dmg from the lates changes it feels like i always die to blunt dmg... feels kinda unbalanced.... nice vid keep it up 🤓sometimes just getting 1 tapped in the torax from sp ammo...

[@RiviterRIP]

Great vid Airwing! Thanks!I'm tired of the pocket watch.

[@Ozaryk]

I love how you shot someones lips from the side, and they died instantly, but when you tried to hit the side of their head from the front, it seemed like it was going right through.

[@wessredd7237]

I appreciate this video and it helps in many ways but i still do not understand blunt damage. I got one tapped by a scav to the thorax. My plate blocked the bullet and I still died. I go to the death screen and clearly one bullet hit my chest and I had blunt damage in every area. You spoke about damage numbers between 1 and 7. I dont understand what happened at all lol. Maybe I misread the death screen but I feel like I did not. Maybe a video on how to clearly understand damage on your healing screen would help. But that death baffles me to this day. One blocked bullet did so much blunt damage to me that I dropped dead 😅

[@Airwingmarine]

Without seeing a clip and the death screen I can't do much to help explain it bud :(

[@Dyx_DeTcTBa]

You could have the thorax/head bleed out to 0 HP and become blacked. Then after a bullet hit your plate and did not penetrate, it distributed some DMG to every other part of the body which effectively damaged the blacked head/thorax for just 1 additional HP and you died to that. I had a similar comic death when I died with a blacked head because in the dark I touched the barbed wire near ZB-012 enough to have some DMG distributed to the head.

[@doppelganger8252]

Wouldn’t it be cool if they fixed the sound that’s been broken since inception.

[@Airwingmarine]

Be careful what you ask for... You might get it. Last time they 'fixed' audio we went from Steam Audio to Oculus audio... On a serious note though, yes. I was disappointed that we haven't seen much progress on audio in the last few months, and the 'pop' is getting to be insanely frustrating.

[@vputilov]

Penetration of an arm should be a thing. I would be OK if it acted as plate pen (reduced pen and damage value). Like WTF tanking VOG and Mk19 grenade launcher with arms

[@Chevalier_knight]

Yeh make it work just how it did before it was removed ie you get thorax damage if you are shot in the side but give the arm like 30 something armour pen so any round will do full damage but will not damage thorax if it doesnt have 30something pen.

[@ElevatedRC]

hey man how do we download your music . i would love to use it on my rc channel

[@Newbtrons]

Can you test if armour enhancements do anything with this armour system

[@Mrtom40]

Really good video do wish you added little bit off the top 3 armorers and helmet set ups but that’s me being lazy

[@jessegerardryan]

Been having a blast this wipe .

[@cascarudoFPS]

great great video and juicy info!!! thanks for the work

[@anenemystand4965]

They need to address bosses 1 tapping you in the thorax with 1 bullet hitting twice that bug has been in the game forever.

[@Airwingmarine]

Depends on what happened to you, but I don't think this is inherently a bug as much as a desync issue.

[@Dixienormouze]

now I know why I loaded 14 hits with ppgs ammo and he is still alive and I was hit 3 times and Im dead

[@dzej16]

why there is link to patch notes from February?

[@Airwingmarine]

Because that's the patch that changed all these systems. Took me a while to get the video put together.

[@dzej16]

Ok. I was very confused that I couldn't find anywhere the patch notes 😅 Anyway, I just want here to say that you did very good job. Thanks to people like you we can understand better this "horrible" game.

[@aimized1460]

this games code is broken and the devs are lost in there own shit, simply cannot get it right anymore. your the best dude thank you for this, i was going crazy with these 15 hit counts...

[@Airwingmarine]

It's deff a struggle to understand.

[@JasonRises]

If your arm is blacked out or destroyed it should not be able to stop a thorax shot. Kinda silly

[@pandarigger]

Great video, Great science. Sad for this arm bug tho.

[@Airwingmarine]

Glad you liked it!

[@Penice-rj8wd]

One of the dumbest change ever made. Making arms unpenetrateble on top of lowering limbs damage by 25%. Now we have in game 1 weak spot that is almost 100% quaranteed kill on almost every armor in game and every part of the body that can tank more than 15 shots (exept thorax and head if not hit in armor). After armor change, not just TTK got even higher, but also random is even greater factor in fights. I think they should bring back adequate limbs damage back since its ridiculous how some fights feel. Even if you are the one surviving 18 shots and onetapping someone in a thorax with a shotgun

[@TheBigDook]

i say just remove armpit hitbox and blend it with side hitbox, but bsg dont listen to anyone

[@SonicSonedit]

They literally re-implemented the shitties part of PUBG early penetration mechanics, the which were a plague to PUBG and spawned a "hand-tanking meta" with certain weapons because of stands, like you highlight in this video with canteen sights stand. This is just beyond me. BSG really re-created what most other shooter devs trying to fix for years.

[@vastroy6307]

You have to use the expensive fire grip tho right

[@Airwingmarine]

No, it's just the canted sight

[@Mrlaarenahd]

amazing job mate! greetings from spain

[@Airwingmarine]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@sambeam2404]

The bagariy has been class 3 aramid since they removed the snow, so a while.

[@Airwingmarine]

Since patch 14.1.1. It took a while to compile this video and get it done.