The Tomi vs Stock Debate 2

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[@MusiqueTF]

Great, now Tomislav has to get a nerf. Thanks alot, LargeJosephPunchSmack. You just HAD to show EVERYONE the truth, and now look at what you've done, destroying a beautiful weapon all because of your stubbornness to not let this debate go. I can smell the future now, and it smells like rotten bologna between a sandvich. I hope it was well worth it to you. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm taking my Huo Long Heater, Dalokohs Bar, and Warriors Spirits into the new world. G'day sir!

[@devinrichards4559]

Cant wait for the nerf lol. Finally time to bring stock dominance.

[@path1521]

@@devinrichards4559 I don't even want stock dominance I just want tomislav to be nerfed

[@devinrichards4559]

@@path1521 Understandable. I mainly use stock myself, I don't like to use the Tomislav because of the reputation I've seen it garner eith people just assuming its better at everything.

[@beanslinger2]

tomislav s u c k this is just biased

[@sonnydog830]

Brass Beast heavies unite!

[@B121AN1]

One advantage the stock has, it can’t be nerfed.

[@thejellybeanbazooka1451]

Demoman mains: That's where you're wrong kiddo

[@shmoist2678]

It can

[@alexq3417]

You say that like they update tf2

[@Fireboltagain]

Savage

[@coocato]

@@alexq3417you do realize they recently made an update, and besides the TF2 team is small and its not their fault they cant shit out major balance changes at mach 4

[@lochsry9054]

I don't even need to look at the arguments... Brass Beast is the best minigun.

[@rallakos]

brass beast should be renamed to portable sentry gun

[@muhammadabyanhafiz2369]

for defense

[@lochsry9054]

@@muhammadabyanhafiz2369 no for everything dummy

[@KaNofbeans]

brass beast has the highest dps in the game but other than that it makes you ultra slow, almost as much as a sentry, It basically turns you into a soviet tank

[@lochsry9054]

@@KaNofbeans Exactly Comrade, you get to become Mother Russia's greatest tool of oppression

[@Herobryce1075]

*Brass Beast walks in* "Somebody say close quarters combat?"

[@jaffachannel]

@winsley ocampo what

[@Ayr-me7vb]

@winsley ocampo what

[@_ZXCV_]

Sentry walks in with a heavy mask Everyone: look it’s the brass beast heavy!

[@manwhodontlikepickel1327]

Reddit Humor you have made two videos out of nothing but a black screen.

[@_ZXCV_]

æügh ok? Your point is...

[@sawduzt567]

I'll end the argument here and now, one has *slav* in it, the other has *mini*

[@sirtangerine1465]

Mini Slav

[@alsanderandciaran]

technically both have mini

[@engineerxero7767]

@@alsanderandciaran can you read

[@alsanderandciaran]

@@engineerxero7767 images.app.goo.gl/axQtE9ZLd4Tth7kJ9 As you can see Tomislav has minigun in it. Can you read?

[@alsanderandciaran]

@@oxalt images.app.goo.gl/axQtE9ZLd4Tth7kJ9 As you can see Tomislav has minigun in it.

[@StickMaster500]

Now that we’ve finally laid this debate to rest, I would quite like to see a comparison between the Stock Shotgun and Family Business to see what’s the better Shotgun for Heavy

[@brotherbango1560]

unfortunately all shotguns are bad on heavy

[@the_burger]

Sandvich

[@milkywaysearcher3290]

Banana

[@looting3305]

But are we talking about from a "funny funny ha ha" point, or which is actually more genuinely viable on heavy?

[@the_burger]

@@looting3305 SANDVICH

[@Vision444]

Even with the Tomislav I doubt you’ll hear the spy uncloak Kinda hard to ignore all the fighting and explosions

[@FPSDrifter]

Just [REDACTED] and you'll be fine.

[@gemstonegynoid7475]

Yeaah thats the real trick for fighting as spy. 1v1 youll go nowhere. But when people are distracted by fighting youll get more picks

[@askryuzaki3693]

@@gemstonegynoid7475 Unless, its a pretentious ebic spy main.

[@farya92]

"alright guys, let's cap this" *fighting happens* *spy uncloaks* "wait, hold on lemme kill this spy first"

[@reallyspingebillboxpants]

@@FPSDrifter That's cheating

[@CompetitiveGlueSniffer]

The actuall good heavy mains: *Debates about stock vs tomislav* Me: *Laughs and cries in brass beast*

[@theandroid5282]

*Cries in Huo-Long Heater nerf*

[@treygreen5015]

Same here. People just don’t know how to use it.

[@Aswero21]

Cries in pistol

[@yeezet4592]

@@treygreen5015 its a pretty dif play style. Pair it with some fat scout type stuff

[@treygreen5015]

Yeezet It’s a play style that rewards flanking and ambushing and punishes brave solo pushes.

[@sexmodtf2freepunjabinoviru162]

Watching a 12 minute video about stock vs Tomislav as a soldier main Edit: I became a heavy main but now I don’t play TF2 :(

[@mercado7502]

Best name ever created

[@AntonPogonin]

@@mercado7502 agreed

[@Schrapulo]

watching it as a pyro main

[@cooldown5604]

Even better I am pyro main

[@WeezerFan505]

Watching this as a medic main feels wrong

[@teedeegremlin]

Did you... Did you take the health pack while being healed...? Dear god.

[@polskiobywatel553]

There's more.

[@uki3890]

I guess he gave the medic a sandwitch but the medic died anyway so you cant blame him

[@teedeegremlin]

Polski Obywatel no...!

[@teedeegremlin]

MrUchi i can't blame him too much for something that's common enough.

[@gustavokaneshige7608]

Polski Obywatel NOU

[@crookbrother]

0:36 I haven’t heard that sound effect in years

[@NickIvanRowan]

@ExDeeXD Music i didnt hear that sound efect ever in my life.

[@dickboy5274]

@@NickIvanRowan zoomer

[@engineerxero7767]

@@dickboy5274 where’s it from anyway

[@ABAgamer_]

I remember hearing that sound in YTP's and flipnotes on Flipnote Studio.

[@tandemcamden6587]

Me neither

[@biblequotesdaily6618]

fun fact: "beating a dead horse" means to win against it in a race, not battering a corpse. it means that its pointless to try and prove something that is already known; we all know you'd win a horse race against a dead horse, so why race in the first place?

[@Skullhawk13]

@@bucketofchicken8325 sounds like someone who won’t be getting a job. Intelligence is an asset.

[@bucketofchicken8325]

@@Skullhawk13 lol ok dude i was kidding

[@bucketofchicken8325]

Ill delete the comment if it means so much to you

[@christiaanprinsloo8951]

wrong. the origin is from "flogging a dead horse" which exactly means battering a corpse en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogging_a_dead_horse

[@xamotii7988]

You’re already going to win in a fight with a dead horse

[@Marpurrsa]

"do you hear the difference?" *cant hear anything in both clips*

[@manelgrinder3027]

Usually it's better to wear headphones te hear uncloaking spies

[@aaronking2020]

I can hear Tomi but not Stock

[@ELLK848]

I can’t hear either

[@vidara6093]

turn up your volume

[@naqib0264]

your in a battlefield, full of gunshots, explosions, and screams. Its Fucking impossible To hear the decloak sound.

[@acethurman71]

Wait, ITS BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE THE LAST DEBATE?

[@Lagggerengineering]

Damn I am old...

[@inifinityseven2675]

pffff no has been only 2 yrs

[@afuea-qg5yo]

wait what

[@herkload]

Now it's been 7

[@luigimario8389]

That sandvich throw was hella clean tbh.

[@funnylaughed7423]

Personally, I think it depends on the play style and the map. Stock is great for maps with tight corridors and chokepoints, as you could shoot through the hallways and if there was multiple people, blindly shoot the choke point to deal loads of damage. If you also prefer defending and checking behind every corner, the stock mini gun is great. Tomislav is great in maps with lots of high ground to jump down from, or more open areas, as the smaller bullet radius is better in long range than close range. For the roaming style heavy, or the heavy that loves to capture points or take the intel, pick the Tomislav.

[@Krasnikgavsharik]

Ya all be comparing stock versus tomislav, but the title of the best minigun is uncontested. *The Who Long Dragon*

[@grumblegrapes7950]

Who long Heater*

[@videogamer4212]

@@grumblegrapes7950 woosh

[@redstranger6772]

March First big fire gun

[@akustik7931]

@@videogamer4212 r/ihavereddit

[@bruh.j4mes]

@@akustik7931 you also have reddit

[@moviemaker1986]

"...one of the biggest debates in TF2..." *Random Crits would like a word.*

[@rejvaik00]

There's already a tf2 game without random crits it's called COMPETITIVE

[@bimss7969]

rejvaik so just because a outdated occasionally annoying mechanic we shouldn’t be allowed to play casual? Most people dislike random crits. Deal with it

[@sho3003]

@@accountnolongerinuse738 there's a website called TF2Center

[@mbsb1376]

He said one of them, not the biggest.

[@megaagentj2248]

Jack Eggebrecht *one of*

[@SamuelisJonelis]

All the things aside, it still saddens me that the Huo Long, the Brass and the Natasha are being left out to dust. Yes, these miniguns are very specific, but that's the reason why the Stock and the Tomi are being used the most: reliable in any case scenario. I just wanted to point it out because I've been trying to use these odd minis recently. They're satisfying to use, breaks the meta, but for the cost of being cumbersome. Idk. I simply wish for these 3 miniguns to get a buff. P.S. I still prefer stock over tomi. Great and improved vid.

[@galahadtg7884]

I agree with this but i personally think the natasha actually still has a niche role in slowing down enemy combos mid to late game that alot of people dont take advantage of

[@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822]

@@galahadtg7884 natasha have been put on 'i can't aim so i must use something to slow down my enemy mobility' stereotype.

[@chickentit251]

@@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822 its also a great support gun for a well coordinated team,

[@robyn6455]

@@chickentit251 exactly, its just most people don’t really coordinate in pubs lol

[@maildaemon]

The Natascha does _not_ need a buff. Not even a small one. It is incredibly powerful in countering mobile generalist classes and punishing retreats.

[@UndeadFangtooth]

Heavy A: "Stock is better!" Heavy B: "Tomislav is better!" Me who uses Brass Beast: ...

[@patrickmatrix9963]

Huo Long Heater heavies: What about us

[@cashcreations8797]

I respect the crap out of that

[@GJ-uf6om]

Natascha heavys: ...

[@SpireGuy]

Fat Scouts: Hey.

[@walkelftexasranger]

@@GJ-uf6om Everybody talk about Tomislav ,Stock etc. etc. but deep down in our heart we all know that Iron Curtain is best weapon in game.

[@werl_01]

Tomi: “Is good.” - Heavy Weapons Guy • More useful in a wider variety of situations • Can snipe (sort of) • “The sounds of silence” Stock: “TIME TO RUN, COWARDS!” • Big gun shoot tiny men • Looks cooler • WHIRRRRRRR • Iconic Conclusion: Tomi is more useful, stock is more badass

[@scremmagekatte2216]

yeah that essentially sums it up the one thing they forgot to measure is something that cannot really be measured, the Psychological damage stat

[@lysdexic3435]

I kinda like the way the tomislav looks better tbh

[@zoruafox7512]

Werl 01 to be fair the faster rev time should Only matter if you shouldn’t be playing heavy. You should already be reved by the time the enemy approaches you. You know because you are a defensive class you should already be reved when an enemy rounds a corner or standing on top of a cart. So assuming you are playing the defensive class defensively like you should tomislav is kinda lacking considering if the quicker rev time matters you should be playing another class.

[@dogwithabeard2612]

Tomi is better because I can use my New Yorker/Boston hybrid accent.

[@mato4257]

I can respect that

[@perfectly-finefinerson9437]

"With my Stand, 「Dalokohs Bar」, I will defeat every single Tomislav user!"

[@Niiue]

A JoJo Fan “Heh, if you think your stand is great, watch mine! 「Sheer Panic Attack」! I shall use it and defend the Hoovies from the Tryhards!” STAND STATS: Power: A Speed: A Range: C Vitality: C Precision: D Development Potential: A

[@perfectly-finefinerson9437]

@@Niiue MASAKA!!!

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

Fully powered Vaccinator Ubercharge: I see all of your S* and raise it.

[@Niiue]

Joan Aguayo Planell increases Vitality by 2 ranks

[@parryhotter8788]

@@Niiue kono powa wa

[@asxp2433]

joey: tomislav captions: thats a thomas law

[@Kir1ko]

I main stock because i have an Australium one... and im also not the most accurate

[@ghiblix4601]

Best reason I've seen so far

[@shteatinggrin]

Same

[@Cheezymuffin.]

Pff, the brass beast is the best gun, just look at that DPS!

[@johnnystankiewicz295]

Look at lvl 2 or 3 sentry's dps. xD better play engi

[@giornogiovanna9057]

@@johnnystankiewicz295 brass beast is a sentry bro.

[@hajimehinata5854]

@@johnnystankiewicz295 Wow funny! So funny. also kzbin.info/www/bejne/g32VYoWfhJmYrrs

[@flying_gorilla8069]

Soulaima Rahal thank for showing me that video, I watched it for like a hour

[@giornogiovanna9057]

@Henry Nagel yep

[@the-jar]

What I think is: The tomislav is a jack of all trades. More useful for more situations, less useful in others, but decent all round The stock is better for what I think is where heavy is supposed to be used: close range crowd control/dps

[@KB-ud5ct]

Precisely.

[@CoolGuy-sv6kn]

And the brass beast is for sentry role play

[@daddysempaichan]

Stock is when you want to kill Scunts while still dealing damage to the enemy team.

[@ogonplayzgames7823]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what is Pyro then??

[@beanslinger2]

jack of no trades, no master at all the tomislav shouldn't exist at all

[@oof340]

5:13 the part where demo man charges and heavy counter punches is pretty simmilar to bald bull in nes punch out

[@fatnootz3466]

I love that game

[@tankdesu7077]

As a new heavy main, this helped a lot in choosing my Minigun, thanks OverlysizedJosephHitBalls

[@fairandbalanced2957]

Best heavy primary is the holiday punch don't at me bro.

[@method1692]

Pan

[@shadowfoxy1396]

Good you both are righteous

[@pixeltiger4204]

Holiday punch still is the inironic best melee though

[@dumpsterchild131]

Bruh it’s obviously stock fists

[@myfacehurts3045]

@@dumpsterchild131 r/woooosh

[@angelflorp2259]

Instructions not clear mained scout

[@user-ke4wr2hj1c]

69 likes lol

[@commitfelonyfeline]

​@@user-ke4wr2hj1c4 YEARS LATER... Still 69 likes.

[@analizin]

In my oppinion, the winner is... Natasha, cuz you go like “Now he has no escape"

[@davisdf3064]

I see that you are a man of cUwUlture as well

[@analizin]

Just because I said "OwO" once, doesn't mean I am a furry you stereotypical judge

[@analizin]

@@danghd2 Hmm yes very funny

[@davisdf3064]

@@analizin He said that you are a furry, he's very funny, can't stop laughing, omg xD

[@pudie8952]

Ah, the classic nonsense hate, pure late 2010s, I'll miss this someday and will look at it nostalgic even though it's bullshit

[@bende384]

These cutaways are just hysteric man! :D

[@JupiterJ0S3PH]

I don’t use stock or the tomislav: *I uSe ThE bRaSs BeAsT*

[@shorty8528]

I use the Natasha :p

[@shakenbake7777]

Der Manzuk0 Natasha master race

[@ferdijohanniskamagi]

I use Brass beast in X1000 mode

[@thomashinkle6438]

huo-long heater master race

[@quintinnowak-wolff7658]

@@ferdijohanniskamagi good luck trying to kill someone

[@Dr_Bobert]

I think it would be a great idea if Bearded Expense did "The Tomi vs Stock Debate 3" It would give us a second opinion but this time with a stock user.

[@tylerrusnak7736]

Yeah. It's super biased

[@wert1234576]

It will be 8 minutes of him making noises

[@aprofessionalgamer5355]

@@wert1234576 You say that like it's a bad thing.

[@mathewsmith2281]

Would love to see it, but Joey does make most of the best points in this video. Only problems I could see is that long range with a minigun is entirely useless, it's not designed for that anyway, and he doesn't consider prefiring (IE shooting for a second (when going around corners where enemies certainly are) and then hitting your opponent.) This part makes the stock super strong, because the damage ramp up gives an even higher DPS, and because you're walking around corners you're already really close to the enemy.

[@slyseal2091]

@@mathewsmith2281 that isnt a thing anymore, now it goes back to full damage just by revving it for a second.

[@Mezzy..]

8:05 SLAV KING

[@britishteaf2663]

BIG JOEYYY i learnt the ins and outs of heavys tomislav from this and mastered b-hops lotta love for ur channel

[@creepyghost2001]

Tf2 video and using a *hat* in time soundtrack... _seems fitting_

[@mscup8814]

While i agree with all of your points, i find it weird that you gave the Tomi 3 different points based on silent rev. -Campability -Silent Rev -Hear Spies Easier

[@duncanabrams7441]

billy loman it needs it's crutch shhhhhhhhhh

[@pootisspencer9586]

billy loman yeah that felt weird to me too, especially when he said he wouldn't give "repeat" advantages to the stock

[@JointedCrab]

Obviously a biased video.

[@nathanielvantassell8809]

They were the points summed up into single words or small sentences. There was bound to be a misunderstanding somewhere. Camp ability is talking about the tomi making it easier to stay in one place without being found, as you could see if you watch where he was most of the time. Silent rev is referring to it in general, not the specific uses. Hear spies easier refers to how tomi heavys are most likely to hear a spy coming out of the 2 mini guns being compared

[@mscup8814]

@@nathanielvantassell8809 Well, you say that, but why even point out the specific uses for a stat, when the general use for the stat is already listed? If i really wanted to, i could probably list a few things that having a wider spread is useful for

[@TheNumber86]

Wizard Tomislav vs Virgin Stock vs Chad Brass Beast vs THAD NATASCHA

[@mysterymastermind175]

I LOVE the transitions

[@cheryl9809]

Why am I watching a heavy guide when I have 13 hours on heavy out of my 1000 hours?

[@blackfrost3581]

To know your enemy better

[@Madadader]

Great opportunity to diversify into heavy more?

[@Madadader]

Which classes do you have the most hours in?

[@cheryl9809]

Daniel Carlile demonstration man

[@ioncavegrandma9256]

@@cheryl9809 Play heavy he's better and easier to carry a team with and more fun (for me anyway). Might be biased as I'm a heavy main but seriously give him a try

[@incendium6615]

The thing is, the stock heavy should prioritize walking forward in a 1v1 scenario like this. Right now, the bot is imitating you and thus waking backwards when in a practical setting the stock heavy would want to get as close as possible.

[@lizard_wizard7246]

True that whole bot testing proved nothing and is nothing like a real game. In real game, u will never even spin up at the same time as the other heavy and the winer of the heavy "duels" is always the one who reacts faster. If stock wasnt able get a kill, neither would be tomi

[@treygreen5015]

True. I think all heavy primaries are situational.

[@greasedumpster9781]

I havent really played for that long at all but each time i see a tomislav i absolutely melt the person who was using it with the stock (i know they may have been slow to react or already damaged, but i just seem to beat a lot of heavys that are using the tomislav with the stock) and this may have been because i have always tried to get up in their face as i know i have the raw damage advantage, so i agree with your argument

[@bigbrimstone]

My man busted out the figure remix from like 2010 for this one. Couldn’t miss it. Great video. Yeah I know it’s beetle juice

[@viktorstade]

If you do the math, asuming all shots hit and no random damage modifier. The stock will kill anything that takes longer than 1.74 seconds (including rev up time) faster than the tommy. This means there must be something wrong with your short range damage test. It's either that not all shots hit or it's the random damage modifier. Tf2 has a random modifier for all bullet weapons where it adds or subtracts about 100 units of range randomly from each hit. This can have altered the test. I have no stake in this argument, but that test does not align with the stats of the weapons.

[@Kono_Dio-Da]

Thats fair, but both Comp and Casual use random bullet damage, so it makes more sense in an actual gameplay environment.

[@viktorstade]

@@Kono_Dio-Da Having high randomness in a test you only perform once trying to determine something definitively is very missleading. I don't see why he did't just use the numbers for this, it's not like it should alter the conclution. This test is not all that important.

[@ghiblix4601]

No

[@ghiblix4601]

Tomi better ez

[@samurailobster6561]

@@viktorstade that’s on paper, if it simply doesn’t work in practice it’s wrong.

[@dbharu2489]

Joey: this video wont be a copy Joey 4 minutes later: Tomislav good; minigun bad

[@Dr_Bobert]

Pretty Accurate

[@Niiue]

Robert Shields Pun.mp4

[@BlueThe1up]

cept joey didnt say "minigun bad", he said very clearly he thinks the minigun is good but not as good as the tomi

[@borgar_pizza_cat]

@@BlueThe1up there was the same opinion when Joey made the previous Minigun vs Tomi video.

[@BlueThe1up]

@@borgar_pizza_cat thats true

[@monzo4489]

Everyone: stock vs tomislav!!! Me, an intellectual: the SMG is the best minigun

[@DarkLord111111111111]

SMG stands for S-Tier Mini Gun

[@cowdy_]

Heh.. MINIgun

[@gummy2955]

pretty boy's pocket pistol is the best minigun

[@MarouaneTF]

@@gummy2955 yes

[@jaydenfurlong6109]

Mista Dolla are you stupid? That’s a scout weapon, the vaccinator is better anyways smh my head.

[@haywiredz2929]

ayo AYO That hat in time music is hitting different, u got mad taste

[@CallMeEmber]

I love how the background music is a hat in time

[@sombodee5134]

Joey: tomislav Caption: *TOMAS LOVE*

[@triangulum8869]

Upbeat_Kun captions: THOMAS SLAV

[@ikeashelf9003]

THOMAS LOB

[@CompetitiveGlueSniffer]

@Upbeat_Kun I mean, the caption is technically right. In slavic languages (Yes, i am slav myself), there is a lot of names like Tomislav, for example; Bogusław, Jarosław etc. (thoose were the polish ones). The names like this were made in medieval times, and they essentialy means that somebody is prasing something, and the finest example is Bogusław. Bogu (Translation; God/To the god) - sław (Praise/Love/Adore). Cheers :D

[@a3msty]

As a main friendly i'm going to say that sandwich is the Best minigun. Pros: +Perfect accuracy +Almost no one will be able to kill you Cons: - +150% chance of getting kicked -PoOtIs

[@atomic5989]

ha

[@bliz8940]

Pootis pow

[@giganigga3025]

No banana is better if u don't want to be pootis

[@tunneller]

Great video!

[@comicdell1889]

The visuals in this vid are beautyfull good job joey

[@slewch3106]

when you watch so early you can only see in 360 P

[@lathonland]

The reason Joey takes so long on his videos is he needs to find the strangest clips on the internet for his intro

[@stewie1237]

Why did this need a video? The end result was guaranteed.

[@FredChuck64]

Just the fact that the Tomislav is practically silent is a substantial upgrade in of itself.

[@Niiue]

Both are good. Minigun for close to medium range Tomislav for long to medium range I like to use both depending on the map. Really, this whole debate could be ended by saying “It depends on the map.”

[@thinkublu]

Except the tomi is still uber strong close up, especially with the higher rev up.

[@Niiue]

You have a point. But in close quarters map the enemies are probably grouped together, this comes into play with the crowd control of the stock.

[@KLIXORthe]

@@Niiue even then they'll be running from you, which makes the tomislavs accuracy important again, especially against slimmer non-heavy hitboxes. plus you can ambush with a fully revved minigun due to silent spinup. so the tomislav can still match the minigun in that situation, and outperform it everywhere else.

[@Niiue]

rart animations To each their own i guess.

[@KLIXORthe]

​@@Niiue that phrase has to do with opinion, nothing I just said has to do with my opinion.

[@agpiplup288]

Another test you should have done is with stock medics healing them, which is the more often heavy fight in my experience

[@CsubAzUrmedve]

I deleted so many groups of enemies jumping around corner with the Tomislav it's unreal. It's so satisfying. Doing that with a Kritzkrieg Medic is a dopamine factory. The silence is the one that won this contest for me hands down.

[@radoaron8324]

Hol, shit the transition to accuracy is magical

[@margon9181]

11:08 The chat had me in stitches.

[@offandsphere6788]

"respond joey" "pussy"

[@BigJoeySlaps]

**JOIN MY DISCORD - THE HOUSE OF PLAGUES!!** It's really active with TF2 players and I hang out here a bunch :D discord.gg/JWCSz2z

[@mr.quackers2590]

Quack

[@DatCerealYT]

Hi

[@parsley3215]

Yo Joey the video is still only 360p quality. Anything you can do about it?

[@gensal2003]

Big Joey Slap-Nuts Love the video, keep it uppp

[@BigJoeySlaps]

Parsley fixed 👌🏼

[@greengamer2026]

When he mentions the tomislav in the survivability part I always get an ad that starts with heavenly music lol

[@RonTamares]

Luv your vids bro

[@robotomite1436]

I wish I wasn't the 1 out of 3 heavy mains in tf2

[@dbharu2489]

🖥🖨 🖱

[@dbharu2489]

@bolt no that's a computer

[@rallakos]

im the heavy main that uses the brass beast and calls himself sentry gun, what do you mean?

[@SamDavidComposer]

im looking for heavys on my comp team. do you think you could fill that space for us?

[@rallakos]

@@SamDavidComposer I know I can

[@jsj0520]

0:47 the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit

[@Ozzinator_X]

I think the next debate should cover more advanced strategies, like tap firing, and that janky bullet curve while strafing with stock.

[@jellyboredtodothis0569]

0:52 joey : tomislav Capitals "Thomas Love" take it or leave it

[@m3mple174]

I came here so soon that the quality for the vid is 360p

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Same here.

[@m3mple174]

@@DinnerForkTongue the quality is still 360p halp

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Give it time, boys, KZbin is a slow boy that takes his sweet time compressing higher resolutions.

[@Loonacs]

I feel like when I play heavy, I usually am at close range and already revved the most. I believe each minigun is used for a different play style. Stock for heavies that like to jump in someone’s face already revved and mow them down (ambushing a lot more than those using the tomi) and the tomislav for those who like to play a little more defensively, keeping their distance and not just jumping in at any moment. In addition, the Huo-long is like stock where you do a lot of damage up close and rewards you for ambushing the enemy team at point blank The Natasha is similar to the tomi where it isn’t the best for ambushing, but instead its good for defense. (Especially with the resistance and spin up time) it also has a pretty quiet rev, not silent though. The Brass beast is just bad. Very situational

[@toadtexas]

The Brass Beast Is Extemely Situational, BUT it can Destroy a team of enemys pushing a cart, if he has a medic or two stuck up his [NA], so yeah situational

[@JoeyGames123]

i love how joey placed bedrock around the TNT just to protect his house and pc

[@MadamApocolips]

"Dont belive me? Check this out" *ad plays*

[@thegooddoktor5017]

It’s nice to see the difference between two years and how much you’ve improved as both a KZbinr and just proper analysis. So yeah, good job.

[@remuvs]

Personally I prefer Stock. Yes, the Tomislav is more effective when fighting at further ranges compared to the normal Minigun. But the difference is barely noticeable when it’s outside of a controlled environment, there’s the chaos of a pub going on and other team members firing at the enemy Heavy. But at the end of the day, if you can make a certain minigun work better than every other minigun, then use it.

[@cuppedcup5048]

Agreed

[@sirrivet9557]

One advantage to the minigun is that there is virtually no delay between shots. It’s constant fire with no breaks

[@krypt1ccc739]

so basically you disagree bcus chaos? you think stats don't matter and the fact that the tomislav has better dps almost everywhere bcus other people are shooting. So tell me you want to do less damage and it doesn't matter to you despite you being fully aware of this. I'm a stats type of person but still it just sounds pretty stupid what you said if you take another point of view. Tomislav 95% of time better lets use the other one bcus other things happen like it baffles me tbh im lost gone bye

[@cuppedcup5048]

kRystal159 I like the minigun due to its design

[@krypt1ccc739]

@@cuppedcup5048 i cant really argue with that bcus you dont seem to care enough about the dps but im always competitive so it confuses me for him to basically say the tomi is better but im going to use stock with no reason except i cant notice the difference even thought i know it is better

[@goose-3548]

I do like that joey is not bias and wishes to do his best to prove both mini-guns upsides

[@SomPsiko]

Holy hell, you actually referenced tomi-hopping This is a heavy main I can truly appreciate

[@pixelbarti9507]

I know that you like blowing stuff up with tnt from playing on your MC server

[@Jessie_Helms]

“What’s better, stock or tomi?” “What’s better, sandwich or dolokos?” Stop answering questions like this. “What we REALLY want to know is Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities- What do They Know? Do They Know Things? Let’s Find Out.” Smh.

[@ogonplayzgames7823]

....... Why??? Just why?

[@Jessie_Helms]

OgonPlayzGames *slams first on table* WE NEED TO KNOW GOSH DANG IT!

[@ogonplayzgames7823]

@@Jessie_Helms I THINK NOT (spy line if you didn't notice)

[@Jessie_Helms]

OgonPlayzGames oh I think so

[@Jessie_Helms]

Robert Allan well I’d say at least 57 of us do since they liked the clearly BoJack inspired comment

[@SamwiseIWStan]

For my sanity I'm going to deny this video exists

[@Graknorke]

I have played heavy for maybe two hours cumulatively but I still watched the whole thing.

[@norahsnewgroove]

Truthfully, I only use the Minigun because I see it as; "The gun counterpart to screaming". The Tomislav is too quiet, doesn't excite me. Stock? I feel like I'm experiencing a plane crash!

[@cerocero2817]

WE BOIZ GO FOR THE DAKKA!!

[@snaves274]

I could tell you were going to pick Tomislav from the second you said what the categories were. Stealth? Honestly, that’s negligible. Most pub players aren’t listening close enough to hear a mini gun revved up anyway.

[@grapejuice5294]

lest ye be a medic whom'st just had his entire team push a corner with an obvious sticky trap. Then you notice the sound of your inevitable demise.

[@snaves274]

True that

[@hometimemayhem928]

Everyone: talking about brass beast Me: *crying in huo-long heater*

[@hometimemayhem928]

@Kattos _ you shut it the huo long can make the enemy team be wiped in close quarters

[@ava_enter2083]

That intro was great XD

[@Hawkborne]

This is the biggest Heavy-related debate aside from the internal struggle with oneself regarding whether or not you should crouch jump around the corner into the whole team.

[@biggie8173]

I agree with your opinions but the one reason i use the stock minigun Because its the sexiest looking minigun scaring every tomislav user away with its lucious barrels of doom *ahem* ye

[@TezalTube]

This Hat in Time music caught me off guard and now I am happy.

[@No-pm4ss]

To disprove any doubt about the bot you could have switched miniguns with it, but maybe that’s just complicated idk. I don’t personally have any doubts, very nice video! :)

[@macotello6809]

Wierd thing is I've been able to flank better with stock cos every Tomi heavy I see doesnt flank

[@NotSpecialDude]

I really do dislike that the tomislav is a better weapon then stock but I dont want to take away what makes it unique to nerf it. Honestly one change would balance it to an acceptable level, and it wouldnt impact anything other then its survivability. "Cannot refill ammo while revved" With this change , the tomislav becomes the roamer/ 1v1 weapon its accuracy implies it to be. But when you try to deal with crowds, ammo or damage will be a concern as you sacrifice your rev or ammo to stay in long/crowded fights.

[@vladsilivasan4175]

Good thinking dude

[@moojesticcookie1456]

@Zesty Zucc I was thinking of a nerf like that or even just nerfing the tomi’s ammo so it has like 175-150 ammo.

[@D8W2P4]

How about instead of nerfing the shit class's somewhat functional weapons you get on Valve's ass to make said shit class actually viable. Fucking smoothbrains.

[@angzarrpsyco]

2 years later, time for part 3

[@isaacj.sanders2563]

It was a good break down I like your videos and nothing against you but the comparison points are clearly geared to one or the other. So if I could I have a suggestion to instead which is better make it more of a “which gun fits your play style better”. But keep up the good work.

[@limptoast]

It is eather TomiSLAV or TomiNah. Im sorry.

[@nightfall745]

Slav

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Blin!

[@ss2gora0]

More like TomiCHAD

[@bucket1442]

They both do pew pew, and that's enough.

[@tsardudebroii]

the hardbass section is Slav King by Life of Boris and DJ Blyatman for anyone wondering

[@bradb.9248]

I would use median data due to the spread with the Minigun, but great video

[@tomwismar858]

Minigun wins because it's infinitely more satisfying to shoot and get kills with

[@mattstat716]

I'll be laughing in french baguette spy, then.

[@splatoon_hater]

I'm so glad you used rayman music in this

[@greenloudperson1787]

It’s the slient rev up that makes me dislike the tomislov, it’s just so much funnier and satisfying to just murder someone with the stock minigun

[@Jakebun_]

The Minigun looks cooler, therefore it’s better

[@crusader1706]

Mate fuck off

[@Ok15402]

No

[@troganb.5598]

Wdym tomislav looks more aesthetically better.