Yeswelder DP200 Review and Output Testing

[@bigtb1717]

Just FYI, I sent Yeswelder an email, asking if there are any firmware updates available. We'll see what they say. I already plan to make another video once I get the foot pedal. If they do provide a firmware update in the meantime, I'll also update with any changes the firmware update makes.

[@Nickporter17]

Thank you so much!

[@CMWoodcox01]

I was informed there is an update available, but I believe it is just to fix the built in manual.

[@bigtb1717]

@@CMWoodcox01 I got a response from Yeswelder. They don't have anything yet, but are supposedly working on something. They implied it will be emailed to me when it is released.

[@frijoli9579]

@@bigtb1717 I just bought one of these. Crossing my fingers since this is the best machine I could afford.

[@jaival_rhaine]

These tests are not cheap. I Just wanna Thank you for your service doing these tests even though you don't have a big audience yet. I believe that the welding community is huge. Maybe there are millions of welders or Diyers who owns these kind of welders they should have watched your videos.

[@tsl7881]

What they watch are paid testimonials by DIY and prowelder channels saying how great they are or not disclosing a weakness. There is little money made in objective product testing. You will run into hundreds of Yes and Arc Captain vids before his comes up in the KZbin algorithm.

[@AZOverland2017]

Well done. I received this welder recently and just got the tig setup with foot pedal. I haven't used it yet but am looking forward to more of your videos on this particular welder!

[@DharwinMoris]

after your consecutive call outs to Yeswelder, finally they have listened and made an accurate ouput welder. Only time will tell about its longetivity.

[@tsl7881]

Longevity, now that's a brand we don't hear much about anymore. I think Yes ignored him, he kept finding false claims in the other ones.

[@DIYHomesteadProjectsDIYHP10]

Nice thorough evaluation! Keep up the good work.

[@bigtb1717]

Thanks. I'm not sure how they will make firmware updates available as and when they are released. But hopefully they fix some of the tuning with firmware updates.

[@CamiloSantana]

@@bigtb1717 do they have a history of releasing updates?

[@bigtb1717]

Not that I'm aware of for any of their other machines. But they have claimed this unit has updatable firmware and I saw one other video where a guy was supposedly sent some firmware from Yeswelder to test out. We'll see how well they handle actually making updates and releasing them to the public.

[@CamiloSantana]

@@bigtb1717 I got the ct2050 (or whatever it's called) plasma cutter a while ago. I looked up if there were any updates available. didn't find any. also don't see how I would apply it if they did. (context: I'm a professional engineer but hobbyist fabricator)

[@boschulte]

I listen to you. Going to wait to see what they build next.

[@bar-zn8lk]

Thanks for another great, honest review!

[@jondavidmcnabb]

First, thank you for doing this review! It takes time and money to do these an we appreciate it. Second, Why would any company force you to use synergic? That is a deal breaker. This happened with Hynade on their 200 amp MIG unit. Totally ruined the potential for that machine.

[@Persianhandyman]

Hi , what minus voltage in MIG welding settings , regarding the voltage settings for double pulse MIG welding, for example 259 ipm and -1.5 volts . What means -1.5 volts ? Thanks 🙏

[@bigtb1717]

The system automatically sets the voltage based on wire speed/amperage. You can't dial in a specific voltage. All you can do is add or subtract voltage from whatever the automatic setting is. So if I set it for -1.5 volts, it will reduce the automatic setting by that amount. If I were to set it for +1.5 volts, it would increase the automatic setting by that amount. So, if the automatic setting was 22 volts, and I dial in -1.5V, the final welding voltage will be 20.5V. Hopefully, that clears it up. Cheers!

[@rick076]

Great video!!! What i am most interested about this unit is for the pulse and dual pulse on mild steel. From what you said, pulse can only be used with 0.35 or thicker wire… for me that would not be problem as I mainly weld on my trailer and i usually weld 1/8, 3/16, 1/4, 3/4in metal thickness. The main reason why I am interested on pulse and dual pulse is for welding overhead and vertical. I use a miller mig of a friend and it runs great(very easy) but not so easy for vertical and I gave up on overhead using mig… for overhead I use tooliom fluxcore welder because it is much easier (no dripping… freezes fast)… but researching online I found that miller with pulse feature makes welding vertical and specially overhead much easier but the price of a miller with pulse is too high for me… I would appreciate if you could test welding vertical and overhead with this pulse yeswelder to know if pulse or dual pulse would help by making it easier to weld out-of-position… I really dont mind if more spatter… I mainly care about strong welds and being easy to weld. Once again thanks for the great videos!

[@bigtb1717]

Maybe I'll try to get a tank of 90/10 to do more pulse testing, especially uphill and overhead. Personally, I would never want to weld overhead with this thing on pulse with C25 gas. It seriously throws molten droplets of steel all over the place. It would just be showering me in molten BBs. No thanks, lol. But I'll try to get to the welding supply place before the next video and see about getting some 90/10.

[@rick076]

thanks!! I have c100 tank that i use for horizontal and vertical but if this Yeswelder pulse makes overhead easier (little to no dripping) then I would buy a small 90/10 tank for overhead and for some specific work since mig with 90/10 is stronger then 100% CO2 based on a video thar KZbinr Grag posted. And I believe that pulse has the same requirements as spray arc and if less then 10% Argon then it becomes globular transfer and like you said “spatter flying all over the welder… hehehe

[@rick076]

there is a video from youtuber Zila called: HTP Pro Pulse 220 MTS I was even considering getting this welder but unfortunately also quite expensive but much cheaper then Miler Pulse. I am still hopeful to find a good machine that makes overhead Mig not so hard. I would love if this Yeswelder could be the machine to address this issue for me and probavly many other novice welders like me.

[@guywihn1658]

I wonder if a software update would resolve some of those issues? I fired mine up with C-25 and 0.023 ESAB easy grind. Right off the bat it wouldn't feed the wire consistently, burn back and fusing to the tip etc. After a fair bit of frustration and an tinkering I decided to wind the wire back onto the spool. That's when I noticed all the wire in the liner was severely kinked. I'm wondering if the new spool of wire was kinked or maybe there's a problem somewhere in the liner. I haven't look any further yet but I suspect it's something mechanical. As far as the kinked wire goes, I've seen plenty of mig machines that would feed somewhat kinked wire no problem.

[@bigtb1717]

Yeswelder built this machine able to accept firmware updates. So it's definitely possible that they could release a firmware with updated synergic tuning to smooth out some of the settings. Hopefully, they do. As for the wire kinking in the liner, it could be that the liner is a bit too large to reliably feed 0.023" wire. Many MIG guns have different size liners for different size wire. Still, I've run 0.023" wire in most MIG guns that come with MIG welders, but maybe this liner is a bit larger to accommodate larger wire and that causes issues with 0.023"? Or maybe the drive tension set too tight? Or maybe a bit of both.

[@_droid]

Very interesting to see their prices creeping up. Like with all welders I often wonder if they do that just because they can or if the machine actually costs that much to design and build. Honestly at that price I see no benefit in going with them over a more proven machine. Unless they seriously step up the quality it doesn't make sense.

[@bigtb1717]

Yeah, the price is one reason why I put it in "yeah, it's fine," instead of good performance and value. Sure, it's still much cheaper than a Miller, but so is everything else in the world, lol.

[@CentralIowaAudits]

Run your 6010 regular Rod on DCEN with that machine then do a cut and etch you’ll see it does just fine

[@WV591]

what guage is the power cable connected to this machine? thx for checking the ampreage i wish other channels would do that instead of giving free passes. especially arccaptain.

[@bigtb1717]

I'll check the power cord wire gauge when I get a chance.

[@WV591]

@@bigtb1717 Thank you. Most likely 12 -3.5 mm2 or 13 guage - 3G2.5mm2. I don't undrestant why all these dual voltage welders rated at 200 or 225 or 250 Amps ship with the same thin guage power cable.not a surprise given the fact that 98% lie about output ampreage.

[@Blue01Cummins]

I thought that they were doing a update for pulse on 120.

[@bigtb1717]

I heard that. Mine won't let me activate pulse when connected to 120V. There may be a firmware update available, but the way mine came, it won't do pulse on 120V. If there is a firmware update available, I'm not sure where to get it.

[@Nickporter17]

Man I watch the other KZbinrs videos and thought this was a no-brainer. Now I'm not so confident. I just ordered it this week, so I got it for $499. But it shipped already. 🤔 I'm a beginner and really wanted to be able to weld thin stainless and aluminum. But, it sounds like it can't which is so disappointing! Also no AC TIG so no way to Tig aluminum either right?

[@bigtb1717]

For thin stainless steel, TIG could work, or you could do MIG, and just use thin wire. For aluminum, it might do okay for thin aluminum as well (at least, as well as any other MIG welder), but you just won't want to use pulse for thin material. I only used 0.047" wire for aluminum in the video, because I wanted to test pulse welding. With the current firmware (no idea if this will change), the only option when doing pulse aluminum is 0.047" wire. But I plan to test thinner aluminum wire on thin aluminum in the next video. Basically, chances are that it's as good for thin material as any other MIG welder. But I have a feeling some people think the pulse features will help them on thin material, and that's not really the case.

[@Nickporter17]

@bigtb1717 thank you. Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking. I could be wrong but I think that's from the wording on yeswelder's marketing material.

[@jg_co]

is this video after the latest update from Yeswelder

[@bigtb1717]

This video was done as the machine was delivered. I wasn't given or told about an update, and I couldn't find anything on their website. This is how I received it, as a purchaser of the unit. I did see someone on another channel about someone being sent an update. If there is an update available, I'm guessing I'd have to reach out to Yeswelder to ask.

[@bigtb1717]

I just sent them an email. We'll see what they say.

[@jg_co]

@bigtb1717 Great, I am assuming you will do a follow-up if and when you get the upgrade in place. By the way, awesome content. Your comparisons are thorough. Your dp200 video actually prevented from what I believe would be a bad decision.

[@bigtb1717]

@@jg_co I do plan to do an update. If there is a firmware update available to the public, I will try to get it installed and will talk about any changes/improvements once I get the foot pedal and do the video on TIG performance. I reached out to Yeswelder support and they said that any updates would be sent out by Yeswelder, and they gave another email address. I sent a message to that email address, asking if there are any updates currently available, and I'm waiting to hear back.

[@tsl7881]

Little steps. Like you said, maybe less spent on making it with all the bells and whistles and just make quality that competes with the old boy's basic machines, the kind with charts. Sad about the .045 only. I would have been nice to try running on thinner aluminum. I bought a everlast 211 bout three yrs ago, they tried to get me to buy the 251 because it had pulse ( well, more money). I knew very little about what it took for pulse to work. I asked if I would have to buy another gas: Yes. I said No, I've only got argon for tig and aluminum mig. About 400 outlay per bottle is tough. Good old stick is the back-up plan. Though the 40A extra and pulse for tig would have been nice on the 251 and everlast has not been big liars on specs. So maybe you can borrow some 90/10 and see if dual pulse lets you run out of position and try the tig functions. Good leads would probably cost $100 more, worth it to me.

[@tsl7881]

Forgot to add, thanks for testing welders. Is it only programmed for .045? You can use smaller wire reliably with a spool gun.

[@bigtb1717]

I would like to get some 90/10 to see how well pulse would run on steel. But it's another decent expense and another tank to store, so we'll see. It only limits you to 0.045" aluminum wire when pulse is turned on. Once you turn on pulse, it sets the wire size at 0.045" and won't let you change it. With pulse off you can run thinner wire.

[@bigtb1717]

Oh, I also wanted to say that I actually looked online out of curiosity, after I saw that this machine was still coming with aluminum cables. I could get 25 feet of #4, USA made, copper welding cable for around $50. That's not a bulk price and it would give me two, 12.5 foot leads, which is longer than most welders come with. So it makes me wonder just how cheap the aluminum leads must be that these companies use.

[@tsl7881]

Yeah I was being generous to companies with enough $ for a good ground clamp, good MIG gun. In other words, accessories that don't make you replace them.within a year unless they are too short for your needs. If we have to replace them later, it winds up costing more. Maybe they could have an upgrade lead package. I know CCA causes problems in car wiring. I don't like it.

[@robertblackshear8963]

Damn so yes welder had to dramatically raise their prices to produce an accurate machine? Thats why im glad I chose primeweld mig 180 its reasonably priced and a beast.

[@bigtb1717]

Well, to be...fair? The MP200 and CT2050 are even more expensive, and both of those had inaccurate output settings in some modes.

[@CentralIowaAudits]

Have you tried to reverse the polarity to run a 6010 rod- TO DCEN IT SHOULD RUN IT JUST FINE. ALOT OF WELDERS WILL RUN 6010 ON DCEN- OH AND THE MANUAL SAYS IT WILL - PAGE 47 OF THE MANUAL

[@bigtb1717]

@@CentralIowaAudits I didn't try it on DCEN. Lincoln does list 5p+ as being compatible with DCEN, but it will change the arc characteristics, and from what I've seen, it's far more common for weld procedures in the US to specify DCEP. And most 6010 rods do recommend DCEP on the packaging. So I generally don't consider a machine to run 6010 well unless it can run it on DCEP.

[@CentralIowaAudits]

@ Please try it on DCEN you’ll be amazed for inverter welders it works just fine you’re not gonna be out welding on a pipe line with a small inverter welder with a 6010 rod and a5P plus Rod is certainly out of the question for a small inverter welder under 250 A and limited to 23-24 V - so to say that the welder will not run a regular 6010 Rod is not correct because it will run that Rod just fine with it on DCEN- Think of it like flux core wire flux core wire requires DCEN so you have to switch polarity I guess you’ll never know if you’re not gonna try it. But to say that it doesn’t run a 62 and Rod is incorrect because it will and it’ll run it just fine.

[@bigtb1717]

@@CentralIowaAudits Many small, inverter welders will run 5p/5p+ rods, DECP, just fine. And many will not. In the future, I may start testing both DCEP and DCEN. But I still think it would be important to point out if they won't run 6010 on DCEP. Even if someone won't end up running a small inverter on pipe out in the field, some folks I've talked to are looking for a small machine they can use at home to practice welding pipe with 6010. If their welder will only run it on DECN and they show up to a test that requires they run it DCEP, I think it's worth knowing if a welder they are looking at will run it on DCEP. Also, if someone is only doing personal projects at home without a specific weld spec to adhere to, they could just run 6011. But I appreciate the suggestion and will try to remember to test DCEP and DCEN for 6010 moving forward.

[@nickjones886]

I still don't understand why they don't include a user programmable firmware option, you buy a machine and you're stuck with its factory loaded firmware with all its silly mistakes and never have the option to improve your machine capabilities... But it's a good step in the right direction away from the ridiculous lies and much neater internally than the spaghetti found in the dp200.. be interested to see any features, hot start, arc force and description of how a welder should work, maybe a comparison

[@tsl7881]

On kick starter they said it would have a USB port for firmware updates. But they also listed a PFC of 1.

[@emmeriaa]

@@tsl7881It does have a port

[@JD-526]

These Yeswelders are just toys. Untill I see a video that remedies all problems, im not buying. This machine seems to have its problems. So ill wait to see how they deal with this welder. I have the latest Yeswelder cut 65DS and im not to impressed. As far as running these inverters on a generator under 11000 watts, forget it. They have poor power management.

[@richardblanke5521]

Primeweld

[@CentralIowaAudits]

Also using 047 or 045 Alum wire on thin material is not the correct way-it takes way too much voltage amperage to run that wire on a thin piece of metal that’s why you’re burning through-you need a smaller filler wire that’s pretty basic welding knowledge.

[@bigtb1717]

I understand that. I said as much in the video. I plan to test thinner aluminum wire in the next video. I only used 0.047 wire because I wanted to try the pulse mode, and pulse is only available when using 0.045/0.047" wire.