Unfortunate Tiering in Competitive Pokémon (Gens 1 - 6)

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Big Yellow

Big Yellow

9 ай бұрын

I've taken a lil bit of a break from Pokémon vids, but I'm back today to cover a pretty interesting topic, Pokémon who have found themselves in a pretty unfavourable spot due to some quirks of the Smogon tiering system!
Smogon's tiering system is fantastic for allowing Pokémon of all different strengths to compete somewhere where they have a chance to shine, but it's only realistic that not everyone comes out a winner...
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@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 9 ай бұрын
Also it should be obvious but this vid is as far from a jab at the Smogon tiering system as you can get, it's an extremely cool system that a lot of very cool people work hard to maintain, and I'm a huge fan of it. These are just a handful funny quirks in an excellent system, so don't be mean to anyone just because your favourite 6/10 mon is currently out of work
@Jeff_Biden
@Jeff_Biden 9 ай бұрын
elon musk has failed us... elon... has gone... gay...
@readyorgormotti4695
@readyorgormotti4695 9 ай бұрын
​@@Jeff_Biden hey jeff what the fuck does this mean
@usernametaken017
@usernametaken017 9 ай бұрын
Reminds me of regigigas in zu because it sucks so fucking bad
@zacharyjohnson9562
@zacharyjohnson9562 9 ай бұрын
Dude I thought BL stood for BorderLine not Ban List, thank you so much. I am also interested in Ban List Boy Love.
@Jeff_Biden
@Jeff_Biden 9 ай бұрын
@@readyorgormotti4695 elon musk fell... hes gay. if you watched his old videos youd see him slowly turning to the dark side. ive been trying to let everyone know for the past year but everyone ignores me
@SemiHypercube
@SemiHypercube 9 ай бұрын
The fact that Ambipom got blacklisted from discussion of its viability is so funny to me, it feels like a "nobody want you fr" kind of Pokemon
@DMSwordsmaster
@DMSwordsmaster 9 ай бұрын
Oh yes, Ambipom. The Pokemon equivalent of a forced meme.
@MusicoftheDamned
@MusicoftheDamned 9 ай бұрын
​@@DMSwordsmasterThe fact Ambipom got released back into Gen 9 with the first DLC has me half-expecting it to happen again in like a month once Baxicalibur (good riddances) and other potentially ban worthy mons are maybe dealt with.
@StarfieldDisarray
@StarfieldDisarray 9 ай бұрын
Something similar happened with Golduck in ORAS Ubers. They would have to tell new players that "No, Golduck does not beat Primal Groudon" multiple times a day so Golduck got outright wordfiltered in the Ubers chatroom.
@Sheepie_
@Sheepie_ 9 ай бұрын
There are some very funny "blacklisted from discussion" mons like golduck in gen 6 ubers is a big one, but my favourite probably is mega beedrill in natdex uu Like, not only has it been blacklisted for as long as I can remember, but it's also one of the most popular mons in the tier, and this is not only a low ladder thing btw, on multiple occasions it has maintained high usage on high ladder as well. I can't blame natdex uu players tho, mega beedrill is cool as fuck
@henriquepacheco7473
@henriquepacheco7473 9 ай бұрын
@@Sheepie_ as a frequent nduu player, mbee isn't common on high ladder at all. You'll very rarely see it used by high ladder players. It is, however, common on mid ladder, and by far the biggest noob trap I have ever seen in pokemon.
@someguy7582
@someguy7582 9 ай бұрын
The cool factor is also why like every Eeveelution is one tier higher than they should be in most metas
@SkullBro12
@SkullBro12 9 ай бұрын
Quagsire being an NU mon but being crucified for stall's sins so it was banned in UU (because banning Blissey would be a bigger problem) was the biggest tiering bruh moment I've ever seen
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 9 ай бұрын
Mr. Mime has a similar issue in ADV UU and OU due to Baton Pass sins it's so funny
@DoodleWill
@DoodleWill 9 ай бұрын
It is sad how Quagsire is seen as a Stall coded Pokémon. I've unironically had multiple instances where me using Quagsire on a team has made the opponent forfeit before the match has even started. I was upset that I couldn't use Quag in NU once it got booted to UU (Was it Gen7 or Gen8). Curse Quag is fun.
@saltinefromindiana
@saltinefromindiana 9 ай бұрын
Quagsire's tier is whatever it feels like being in that day
@shytendeakatamanoir9740
@shytendeakatamanoir9740 9 ай бұрын
​@@saltinefromindianaYou could say Quagsire is Oblivious to tiers
@saltinefromindiana
@saltinefromindiana 9 ай бұрын
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 more like it's Unaware of them
@gnostechnician
@gnostechnician 9 ай бұрын
Gothitelle is very funny. The Smogon analysis page by Caetano93 puts it best: "Behold, the biggest tiering nightmare in Smogon history. Gothitelle used to be a valuable Pokemon in OU until Shadow Tag got banned. However, because this happened after the tiers were locked, Gothitelle got stuck into a existential limbo in the OU metagame, as it doesn't have its niche as a trapper anymore. Because of its typing, movepool, and awful stats, Gothitelle is easily outclassed by other Psychic-types like Latios, Alakazam, and Reuniclus." Then in gen 6 it ended up going from ubers to untiered???
@20D0D0
@20D0D0 5 ай бұрын
I love Gothitelle! One of my fav mons.
@ubermaster1
@ubermaster1 7 ай бұрын
Watching the entire Smogon community freak out at Garchomp this gen was the equivalent of a stock market crash, glorious and terrifying in every way
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 7 ай бұрын
The back to back of RU Tyranitar and UU Garchomp was nightmarish news for so many people
@Brivalia
@Brivalia 9 ай бұрын
as someone who saw staraptor as a child and went “thats cool as fuck” and tried to gel my hair to get the cool cowlick and failed miserably, the fact it was in BL hell for a decade and then got dexited makes me so sad.
@jmcbango
@jmcbango 9 ай бұрын
Happy ending though! Its back and finally able to have a place in UU proper!
@aseriesofletters6346
@aseriesofletters6346 9 ай бұрын
it is now reincarnated as flamigo
@bpepsitropper8512
@bpepsitropper8512 9 ай бұрын
​@@jmcbangois it good now?, nevew saw anything bellow OU
@blargher5390
@blargher5390 9 ай бұрын
​@@bpepsitropper8512He ended up dropping to RU. And then got banned to RUBL. Being Staraptor is suffering.
@nightcorerj6024
@nightcorerj6024 8 ай бұрын
I think this whole concept is cringe af but you look like you like it so good on you m8
@sealeo5772
@sealeo5772 9 ай бұрын
My favourite weird lower tier ban anomaly is slurpuff. Due to having the combination of belly drum (immediately gives it +6 attack) and unburden (doubles its speed upon consuming an item), slurpuff is basically always a problem somewhere. It does nothing until it just wins the game on its own in a lame way, so it always ends up getting very little use until it hits a tier where it is overpowered and so it has been a bl mon in every generation. The best part is that in gen 6 it was in rubl when pokemon sun and moon came out, then this year uu players were getting really fed up with the state of the tier and saw slurpuff as the most problematic element, so it was banned from uu, meaning that slurpuff has been in 4 ban lists over 3 generations.
@munchrai6396
@munchrai6396 9 ай бұрын
Slurpuff is also the only non-bug type to get Sticky Web in gen 8, which makes it probably the best Sticky Web setter along with Ribommbee
@alolamao833
@alolamao833 9 ай бұрын
When it isn’t dexited, Slurpuff is the bane of Random Battles teams across the globe. Slurpuff has become one of my favourite Pokémon cuz it’s just a silly little guy that ends the game
@jerry3115
@jerry3115 9 ай бұрын
Oh god, imagine slurpuff with tera access
@leahcarson1822
@leahcarson1822 9 ай бұрын
@@jerry3115dexit giveth and dexit taketh away
@loopygordo
@loopygordo 9 ай бұрын
​@@alolamao833there's something about seeing a cute little silly guy being a harbinger of doom.
@NeutralDrow
@NeutralDrow 7 ай бұрын
"Jumpluff has one believer. And that's pretty cool." *starts staring curiously at JWitzz*
@RoninofCrimsonMaple
@RoninofCrimsonMaple 9 ай бұрын
Poliwrath and Raichu being lower tier partners in crime with the occassional comic relief in Golduck showing up is something I never knew I wanted. Especially in UU where you can say they peaked as teens together and are still together now.
@TheStickCollector
@TheStickCollector 9 ай бұрын
We need a comedy comic about them or something
@bastianleyton1951
@bastianleyton1951 9 ай бұрын
Historians might Say that poliwrath and raichu were roomates 😳
@stefanarlio1579
@stefanarlio1579 9 ай бұрын
Golduck is that villain of the week that keeps popping up out of nowhere and just annoys everyone else
@MK-yg2np
@MK-yg2np 9 ай бұрын
Why are the two water types so much better than octillery though?
@powcow60floordayboi16
@powcow60floordayboi16 8 ай бұрын
​@@MK-yg2npthe tragic fate of bring a slow, pure water type 😔
@PlaguevonKarma
@PlaguevonKarma 9 ай бұрын
I think Ambipom is used a lot because it's a fast physical attacker whose name begins with A. It appears first in the builder and gets disproportionate amount of usage in every tier it appears in. I hate this thing so fucking much...
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 9 ай бұрын
I never even considered that it's basically a carrot on a stick for new players
@jschmidty2332
@jschmidty2332 9 ай бұрын
As someone who saw Fake Out Technician Ambipom added to gen 9 and thought, hmm this could be pretty good, then proceeded to get immediately clapped on ladder... I think your theory checks out
@shirshobanerjee7751
@shirshobanerjee7751 8 ай бұрын
Same. Tried the fake out last resort set and it did not work
@onwithmarie6769
@onwithmarie6769 9 ай бұрын
It's a small little thing but I love the little sprite edits you have edited in at some points, they're full of character even if they're just edits. They make me giggle.
@weebcraft6829
@weebcraft6829 9 ай бұрын
Featuring new sprite: God
@JaysonUbo
@JaysonUbo 9 ай бұрын
Girlfriend in labour? Gotta tell her to hold that puppy in for 34 minutes its Big Yellow upload time
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 9 ай бұрын
Babe hold on I need to make sure Hypno still has a niche somewhere
@rachelthecool2880
@rachelthecool2880 9 ай бұрын
Hope things went well :) If you were semi-serious that is
@JaysonUbo
@JaysonUbo 9 ай бұрын
I am not serious at all but I do appreciate your concern! I promise you nobody who has ever cared about Ambipom's status in the RU metagame has ever been capable of reproducing. :)@@rachelthecool2880
@christopherballero866
@christopherballero866 9 ай бұрын
I find the idea of Jumpluff getting banned at any time except for absurdly low tiers is pretty funny to me
@layo1234
@layo1234 9 ай бұрын
my favourite tiering decision ever is probably gen 2 zu, where poliwag wasnt overpowered with a hypnosis bdrum set but everyone just thought it was really annoying and cheesy so banned it anyway lol
@KahilaTheArtSlime
@KahilaTheArtSlime 9 ай бұрын
I mean its also how people feel about Baton Pass innit? Just roar or spike or whatever and starts to stop them but its just unfun to play against, especially if they get lucky once or twice
@henriquepacheco7473
@henriquepacheco7473 9 ай бұрын
@@KahilaTheArtSlime not... quite? Raw, unlimited BP actually is kinda fucked in general, requiring very specific counterplay to stop. Of course, it's completely useless if you have said counterplay, but it just wins if you don't. Then you need to get into really arcane complex bans to get it to a limited viability level where it isn't too powerful and can be dealt with while not requiring some teambuilding choices that are very suboptimal in any other context, but it still ends up being an annoying coinflip machine and at that point, just ban the entire thing already.
@dawn2955
@dawn2955 9 ай бұрын
It was broken though. Poliwag also used Lovely Liss Belly Drum, not Hypnosis
@beatsblack
@beatsblack 9 ай бұрын
Poliwag was banned for a collection of reasons that made consistent counterplay vs it unreliable, among other things. It was annoying to deal with, yes, but Poliwag had the tools to be considered overpowered.
@munchrai6396
@munchrai6396 9 ай бұрын
@@dawn2955 Yeah, Lovely Kiss could easily become a problem with how strong old gen sleep is
@browserjunior4707
@browserjunior4707 9 ай бұрын
I still can’t believe the horror that was Mega Lopunny in PU when ORAS came out, tiering really is like fantasy sports where you just kinda hope Pokémon you like either get enough usage to go crazy in a tier or don’t get dropped to another tier
@breloommaster12
@breloommaster12 9 ай бұрын
that was just a byproduct of what is essentially a new item being introduced for what is definitely a PU Pokemon that suddenly turned it into an OU-worthy monster. This was especially the case for Altaria, Beedrill, and Pidgeot.
@browserjunior4707
@browserjunior4707 9 ай бұрын
@@breloommaster12 and it’s hilarious all the time
@spartacusthememelord6890
@spartacusthememelord6890 8 ай бұрын
ohhh, Mawile??
@darkness74185
@darkness74185 5 ай бұрын
@@breloommaster12 that butterfly effect got especially hilarious in Gen 9 because of Terastilization throwing any semblance of traditional counterplay out of the window. Remember when Libero Cinderace got banned in Gen 8 OU because being able to switch out your type and get a new STAB mid-battle was kinda dumb? Well now everyone can do it now, including some mons with even dumber offensive movesets than Cinderace could ever dream of
@penpad7261
@penpad7261 9 ай бұрын
"the gsc uu vr ends at ariados" made me laugh out loud due to how golduck isnt even there
@isthatagamer8844
@isthatagamer8844 9 ай бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Mega Garchomp, who was worse than Regular Garchomp, but was still in OU due to requiring it’s better version
@stardf29
@stardf29 9 ай бұрын
Honestly, that would be an interesting video concept of its own: which Megas practically required Mega Evolution to be viable (in OU), which could be used either as Mega or regular, and which ones you were better off using its regular version and saving your Mega slot for someone else.
@Mepphy99
@Mepphy99 9 ай бұрын
​@@gnomefrompinkertoneven if we put like Mega Garchomp (like Mega Garchomp in itself without clicking Mega button) in ... who would check It?
@BeanyBoi06
@BeanyBoi06 9 ай бұрын
@@Mepphy99me. I resist dragon and ground and am too agile to get hit by rock moves
@henriquepacheco7473
@henriquepacheco7473 9 ай бұрын
@@stardf29 lopunny, medicham and mawile for requiring (metagross too in gen 6 I guess), latis and ttar to either mega and regular (although generally base form latios and mega latias were by a significant margin the preferred ones), and Chomp for better off using regular. Those were just the ones that came to mind, of course, there were more megas related to OU
@Kali_Krause
@Kali_Krause 9 ай бұрын
Lots of players used Garchomp over Mega Garchomp because Mega Garchomp loses 10 points off its Speed stat at 92 compared to Garchomp's base 102 Speed
@Moon-nk3co
@Moon-nk3co 9 ай бұрын
Watching the tiering system flip out when Garchomp was getting ready to drop to UU in Gen 9…it was getting close
@shytendeakatamanoir9740
@shytendeakatamanoir9740 9 ай бұрын
If not for the intervention of a few brave heroes, the Landsknecht would have fallen this time
@glacierwolf2155
@glacierwolf2155 9 ай бұрын
Scale Shot is what literally saved it. Oh, and Roar was there as well.
@goldengold4335
@goldengold4335 9 ай бұрын
"I got one more in me" - Garchomp BEATS the underused allegations
@ThePika78
@ThePika78 9 ай бұрын
At least it's not TyRUnitar
@Gold_Gamer_100
@Gold_Gamer_100 9 ай бұрын
I'm going to say it, but I don't think people are willing to hear this; Garchomp only stayed in OU because it was popular. It was .102% off from dropping to UU, where it could have actually done something. Oh wait, we weren't able to test that because some players couldn't bear seeing it drop a tier and actually be useful. Garchomp in OU was good for it's "reputation", not Garchomp itself, since it did literally nothing of value in the tier due to everything it could do having Pokemon fill those niches. Electivire and Dusknoir languishing in DDP OU is seen as a dissapointment, yet Garchomp languishing in SV OU is seen as Chomp actually being a good pokemon when it wasn't. If you think that's a lie, answer me this; How many players were spamming Roaring Moon and Ursaluna on the ladder so they could stay in OU? Almost no one, cuz most people don't care about them. But they did for Garchomp. If it wasn't popular, it absolutely would have dropped to UU
@lotsofdigletts
@lotsofdigletts 9 ай бұрын
Probably my favorite recent ban was Espathra. It dropped to UU early in gen 9, but afterward people started realizing how good it was in OU. People also quickly realized that Espathra was fucking broken in UU. Since everyone thought tier shifts would naturally bring it up to OU at the end of the month, they didn't bother banning it. So imagine everyone's surprise when tier shifts come around and Espathra stays in UU. This resulted in what is probably the quickest ban in Smogon history, with Espathra being banned in a whopping 40 minutes after the tier shifts. Don't worry, Espathra would later dominate OU and got banned from that as well. It was actually decent in Ubers until HOME support was released and now it's dogshit, godspeed Espathra
@SomeAsian
@SomeAsian 9 ай бұрын
Baxcalibur went through a similar story, though it took Alolan Ninetales to finally push it out of OU.
@weebcraft6829
@weebcraft6829 9 ай бұрын
Im surprised it took that long considering Espartha's part of the "We broke the Tera Raids" gang along with the belly drummers and Slowbro
@tree69420
@tree69420 9 ай бұрын
nah its actually banned because smogon made a policy where nothing could get banned for the first month of every tiers existence for some reason, and then NU rolled around and there were like 17 broken mons in the tier so they just gave up on that policy
@NitroIndigo
@NitroIndigo 9 ай бұрын
A lot of things got banned to ubers early in Gen 9, such as Cyclizar because of Shed Tail for a while.
@teslobo
@teslobo 9 ай бұрын
Funny you mention dusknoir suffering from a lack of recovery, the man literally just got leech life in the new DLC. 20 years too late but you gotta take your victories where you can get em.
@nsbathome
@nsbathome 9 ай бұрын
Terra Bug Dusknoir, coming to a low ladder OU match near you.
@usernametaken017
@usernametaken017 2 ай бұрын
​@@nsbathomeice punch dusknoir
@MenwithHill
@MenwithHill 9 ай бұрын
Smogon tiering absolutely should be a thing in other games. It helps create room for suboptimal options, its heartening that at least something can be "decent in UU" instead of literally never being seen until they die. Also you look fab today 💅
@1unar_eclipse
@1unar_eclipse 9 ай бұрын
I think there's some group that runs Splatoon UU tourneys, but it's pretty small
@kevingriffith6011
@kevingriffith6011 9 ай бұрын
The only problem I would have with tierings in other games is that... honestly there just aren't enough characters to make that happen. That being said, something that works in a very specific niche, the team-based fighting game. In Marvel vs Capcom 2 Justin Wong and a couple of others assigned every member of the cast a point ranking between 1 and 5 based on their strength, and put a limit on how many points total your team could be worth, which gave a lot of characters a new chance at seeing play, it was a lot of fun although I don't know if anyone is still playing with it. Makes me wonder if you could do something like that in Pokemon, as well, but assigning a point value to every single pokemon sounds like a chore. (Edit: So point buy pokemon competition is actually a thing. Go figure)
@sealeo5772
@sealeo5772 9 ай бұрын
It's difficult to do because most games just don't have the amount of building blocks as pokemon or low tiers are still good enough to hang out with the big boys. Like in pokemon outclassed pokemon just have absolutely nothing to do vs landorus and zapdos, but in a fighting game you can bring a low tier to a tournament and consistently win. TCGs often have a similar kind of formating, but they are usually based on new vs old cards rather than explicitly based on power level and different formats tend to play a whole lot diffrently than the difference between OU and UU.
@paolastrasser
@paolastrasser 9 ай бұрын
@@kevingriffith6011 Pretty sure that's already a thing, they're called "Draft Leagues" or something of the likes, I didn't saw much into it but it sounds pretty cool tbh
@shytendeakatamanoir9740
@shytendeakatamanoir9740 9 ай бұрын
​@@kevingriffith6011Not only you can, it was made more than once. JOL is the main one that come to mind, but there may have been other more or less successful trials (ki uta?).
@alexandercolefield9523
@alexandercolefield9523 9 ай бұрын
For me Staraptor was always the best example of this, not good enough for OU, but too strong for UU.
@MusicoftheDamned
@MusicoftheDamned 9 ай бұрын
Poor Limbo Bird. Gen 9 is maybe the most "fortunate" it's ever been since despite being at the lowest it's ever been, it at least gets to sit in RU itself rather than in a limbo again.
@glacierwolf2155
@glacierwolf2155 9 ай бұрын
Peaked in BDSP and hit its lowest point in SV. Poor bird never really had its true chance in the spotlight.
@grain_death
@grain_death 9 ай бұрын
the true BL Knight, the legend
@theflashfan3234
@theflashfan3234 9 ай бұрын
Doesn't help that it hasn't had a single positive change, be it stats, ability or moveset since gen 6. I'm biased since it's my favorite little guy, but I really wish it was good 😢
@Eltipoquevisteayer
@Eltipoquevisteayer 9 ай бұрын
2COOL4UU
@CaptainObliviousV
@CaptainObliviousV 9 ай бұрын
I was actually that Ambipom kid lol. I didn’t know about online battle simulators at the time, but I had an official ORAS National Dex book and I liked making sticky notes of sets I thought were interesting. You got my general thought process when I saw Ambipom’s info down to a tee, only I was more interested in Skill Link!😂
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 9 ай бұрын
I was part of the Ambipom Army as a kid too we fought the good fight fr
@DoodleWill
@DoodleWill 9 ай бұрын
It always hurts when you check Smogon for your little baby boy and the big men are going "If you use this Pokemon, you are doing yourself a disservice" My boy Falinks... I love you but lord in christ...
@robinscompass5951
@robinscompass5951 9 ай бұрын
Yo fellow falinks enjoyer, dab me up 🤝
@limon16025
@limon16025 9 ай бұрын
I love it when the set just says "use x mon instead"
@CommanderWiggins
@CommanderWiggins 9 ай бұрын
Trying to look up a Pokemon on Smogon to get some ideas for EV spreads and movesets in a casual playthrough and they're like "This Pokemon is an affront to nature and a disgrace. It is bad and you should feel bad for using it. There are no redeeming qualities to this Pokemon and it should remain forever in your PC box."
@RivLabs
@RivLabs 8 ай бұрын
​@@CommanderWigginsit's like asking someone what they think of your favourite show and they pull up a dissertation on its flaws. heartbreaking
@undergroundmonorail
@undergroundmonorail 7 ай бұрын
i used to use falinks in PU and when asking for team advice in the showdown PU chat people basically went "unfortunately you should cut falinks". it was very very sad
@clash_king1025
@clash_king1025 9 ай бұрын
UUBL is quite unfortunate for hypno But sounds like justice for attempting to dethrone tentacruel
@glitchedoom
@glitchedoom 9 ай бұрын
He's not 50% cruel for no reason.
@ultimapower6950
@ultimapower6950 9 ай бұрын
That’s what Hypno gets for trying to pull an upheaval of the natural order
@mystrenula3911
@mystrenula3911 9 ай бұрын
Nothing will ever be stronger than Tentacruel in uu because the definition of uubl is stronger than Tentacruel
@topazpikmin9810
@topazpikmin9810 8 ай бұрын
Honestly, he has no one to blame but himself. If these videos have taught me anything, the number one rule of UU is you don't fuck with Tentacruel.
@justinwiebe8327
@justinwiebe8327 9 ай бұрын
Staraptor in gens 4-7 will always be that one friend in smash who is too bad to play in tournaments but too good to play with casuals.
@allthingsgaming6
@allthingsgaming6 8 ай бұрын
So me then
@readyorgormotti4695
@readyorgormotti4695 9 ай бұрын
love to see the first video a youtuber makes after they get way into ace attorney
@Cassapphic
@Cassapphic 9 ай бұрын
Completely stone faced when realising PU is meant to be a joke but losing it as soon as I realise "BL" is going to be said throughout the whole video what is my sense of humour.
@perladel95
@perladel95 9 ай бұрын
In Gen 8, Spectrier being banned in OU and ending up in a tier where you have Calyrex-Shadow
@nsbathome
@nsbathome 9 ай бұрын
Thankfully Caly got banned on gen 9 ubers, so it can now roam freely. Which is what I would have said if Giratina didn't completely outclass it.
@Kali_Krause
@Kali_Krause 9 ай бұрын
​​@@nsbathomeYeah, Calyrex is in AG tier now
@nigeltimothycruz244
@nigeltimothycruz244 9 ай бұрын
​@@nsbathome*Flutter Mane Giratina is basically the "Fuck everyone and anyone using arceus ground" pokemon + defogger and status spreader
@nigeltimothycruz244
@nigeltimothycruz244 9 ай бұрын
Giratina Origin specifically. Giratina normal just sucks ass
@palestjade
@palestjade 9 ай бұрын
one of my favorite tiering quirks was in gen 8 where arctozolt was untiered but got banned in nu, then pu, then uu. (yes it was legal in ru still.) while still untiered. now it's stuck in uubl and pops up whenever someone cooks up hail
@usernametaken017
@usernametaken017 9 ай бұрын
what did blud do
@a-s-greig
@a-s-greig 9 ай бұрын
​@@usernametaken017 STAB BoltBeam is just that good.
@stefanarlio1579
@stefanarlio1579 9 ай бұрын
Guy got banned from 8 different counties yet the government still considers him not a threat to society
@MusicoftheDamned
@MusicoftheDamned 9 ай бұрын
​@@usernametaken017Hail sweeper with STAB "Boltbeam" (read: Electric & Ice) coverage that has a physical Electric move that *doubles* in power if it moves before its opponent(s) that turn...and an ability that doubles speed in Hail. It _wasn't_ outright broken, like Dracovish, if only because a) Electric has an innate immunity...that Ice hits super-effectively and b) there's no weather that boosts Electric, "only" a Terrain that Hail teams generally don't use. Still, a lesser Dracovish is a pretty good threat given its coverage even if you know it's coming, especially since Ice/Electric is a weirdly decent defensive typing for as infamously awful as Ice unfortunately still is defensively. EDIT: Damn typos of omission. I meant "wasn't", not "was". Fixed.
@limon16025
@limon16025 9 ай бұрын
Also shoutout to Alolan Sandslash and Sandshrew for being banned to NUBL becasue of their abilities)
@terrortaste6389
@terrortaste6389 9 ай бұрын
I think my favorite Funny Tiering Moment is Gen 8 Mienshao. It fell to NU towards the beginning of the gen and stayed there for almost *2 years.* But at some point in the middle of Gen 8's lifespan someone decided to run it as a pivot with knock off, u-turn and regenerator which got it banned to RU. And then to UU. And finally to UUBL. Pokemon rising 1 tier at a time over and over again is super rare since if a pokemon is good in a tier it usually jumps to that tier immediately, skipping any in between. But for whatever reason everyone just collectively slept on Mienshao and saw it's best set as underwhelming for like two thirds of Gen 8's lifespan until it decided to get banned from 3 tiers in a row.
@skellydanecromancer1343
@skellydanecromancer1343 9 ай бұрын
I've used Mienshao on a gen 8 regenerator only team
@MrOofio64
@MrOofio64 9 ай бұрын
Eggy being nicknamed Herr Forehead made me chuckle
@MrOofio64
@MrOofio64 9 ай бұрын
Also "Rai Kiske" is a great one
@sideways5153
@sideways5153 9 ай бұрын
“Polifingered” was FOUL lol
@bradfjord
@bradfjord 9 ай бұрын
Zamn! She's RUBL?
@lasen_
@lasen_ 9 ай бұрын
Hi! I run all things related to Ubers old gens on smogon and have been "the guy" for this sort of thing for a while. I wanted to touch upon your point @33:06 about Genesect being trash in SS Ubers. You see, I wholeheartedly agree! When it was current gen, I still agreed! The council obviously also agreed! But you know who didn't? A young user named ox04 who rolled out of fucking NOWHERE, got a super high placement in that year's Ubers Open (top 6!) and who firmly believes it's B+ at WORST! Unfortunately for him, his other hot techs (he's also a Reshiram lover), and his actually super solid SS Ubers tournament performances, no one else believes in the metal bug, not even the boomers like myself who played BW Ubers when the alternative Ubers format was Dream World Ubers. It just goes to show that even the trashiest Pokemon have fans. And sometimes, those fans end up clicking with such conviction and passion they make a name for themself.
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 9 ай бұрын
That's so awesome you gotta respect the grind to try and break the curse of Genesect, thanks so much for your work!
@Nadid_Dhrabb
@Nadid_Dhrabb 9 ай бұрын
That's so cool
@NeoGraena
@NeoGraena 7 ай бұрын
Genesect's Strongest Warrior
@Rdotmop
@Rdotmop 9 ай бұрын
I just got done rewatching the Porygon video you did like a year ago and all the stream talk about ‘pre-yassification’ Big Yellow was right, I got five nights of freddy jumpscared that almost looks like a different person
@wraitsoth
@wraitsoth 9 ай бұрын
Gothitelle in BW OU is so sad to me. It was put there because of Shadow Tag, and it made for an interesting niche because of that. It really didn't do much outside of that, but it was good enough to get it decent usage. Later on, the tiers were locked to where no more changes would be made... and then they banned Shadow Tag AFTER that. Gothitelle was left stranded, unable to do anything because its poor stats and movepool, and it was outclassed by almost every Psychic type. Now it rots away in UUBL, never to be used anywhere. It's not even on the viability rankings.
@henriquepacheco7473
@henriquepacheco7473 9 ай бұрын
BW OU is so sad to me.
@Gold_Gamer_100
@Gold_Gamer_100 9 ай бұрын
​@@henriquepacheco7473For what reasons in particular?
@kiz5562
@kiz5562 8 ай бұрын
@@Gold_Gamer_100 it had the worst power creep we have ever seen in pokemon history. The metagame is completely chaotic and 100% matchup reliant. Too much rock/paper/scissors and so much broken shit in the tier. QD volc, specs keldeo and lati, terrakion, reuniclus, etc. Gen4 and 6 were far superior and more balanced.
@Wadosan
@Wadosan 9 ай бұрын
Imagine how epic this tiering system would be in Melee. “Did you hear Ness dropped to NU?” “Yeah bro it’s insane! He’s way too much for the tier, he even hard counters my Pichu!”
@JB-bc2ry
@JB-bc2ry 9 ай бұрын
Pichu and Bowser just chilling out in ZU would be kinda fire honestly
@Rarest26
@Rarest26 9 ай бұрын
@@JB-bc2ryAnd Kirby still sucks ass even there
@juannaym8488
@juannaym8488 9 ай бұрын
@@JB-bc2ry Pichu isn't as bad as Bowser, Kirby, Zelda and Ness are. He's not even bottom tier, rather the bottom of low tier in my humble opinion
@SomeAsian
@SomeAsian 5 ай бұрын
Does that make Pyra/Mythra in Ultimate the game's Lando-T or...
@slimestudios9748
@slimestudios9748 Ай бұрын
​@@SomeAsianhero dittos are just metronome battles
@hammdogporkington3058
@hammdogporkington3058 9 ай бұрын
Don't let the fact that Big Yellow gets cuter every video distract you from the fact that Eggy and the Rocks have not dropped a new EP in 25 years
@imaginaryboy2000
@imaginaryboy2000 9 ай бұрын
Their latest single Aloha Alola was pretty good too, kinda weird there was no follow-up or anything
@ChillavaKirby
@ChillavaKirby 8 ай бұрын
@@dickchan1175 Would that be a problem? How else was he supposed to evolve?
@mr.dudley3484
@mr.dudley3484 7 ай бұрын
@@imaginaryboy2000 pretty sure rhydon fell off the bus and had to attend rehab, dunno why though
@glitchedoom
@glitchedoom 7 ай бұрын
​@@mr.dudley3484Plus that famous royalties dispute that caused Golem to drop out of the band. Sad times.
@Soulraven2735
@Soulraven2735 2 ай бұрын
​@@glitchedoom"He F**KING LEFT THE BAND!" -Eggy Ulric
@HawkBreland
@HawkBreland 8 ай бұрын
each time I rewatch this, the Aqua Teen Regice bit never fails to get a laugh out of me
@nockcone
@nockcone 9 ай бұрын
I am here, i am queer, and i will hear about tiers
@SophieSnerp
@SophieSnerp 9 ай бұрын
this is the ideal mindset to have for a big yellow video
@Ivy64_
@Ivy64_ 9 ай бұрын
Yo same
@LloydTheZephyrian
@LloydTheZephyrian 9 ай бұрын
And we won't have fear, because Big Yellow is someone that can make us cheer.
@lottiye
@lottiye 9 ай бұрын
ear
@Brivalia
@Brivalia 9 ай бұрын
yo same!
@hankboog462
@hankboog462 9 ай бұрын
I honestly think every game with an adequately large roster should have a smogon-like system, even if its not the main format
@trolleymouse
@trolleymouse 9 ай бұрын
I have to wonder if there's ever been a case of a mon being bumped down a tier that turns out to be a check for a mon in that tier's banlist, leading to an unban.
@glacierwolf2155
@glacierwolf2155 9 ай бұрын
Hello, I am from SV Smogon singles metagames. Snow is stupid broken now and we have just banned Baxcalibur from OU for its sins with Scale Shot and Snow.
@nebby9751
@nebby9751 9 ай бұрын
Wait, PU genuinely doesn't stand for anything? All this time I genuinely thought it stood for "Practically Unusable" 😅
@LakituAl
@LakituAl 9 ай бұрын
I thought it was poorly used
@RockyPixel
@RockyPixel 9 ай бұрын
I thought it was "Please Use"
@TheZett
@TheZett 9 ай бұрын
I thought it was Personal Usage, as in „I know it is trash, but I use it anyway“.
@Blue_EmeraldX
@Blue_EmeraldX 9 ай бұрын
​@@LakituAlSame. That, or like, "poor usability." I just thought it was like card-grading where "poor" is the lowest.
@robertlupa8273
@robertlupa8273 9 ай бұрын
I thought it was "Practically Useless".
@thehayze259
@thehayze259 9 ай бұрын
I love how Big Yellow's hair just gets gradually more glorious every video
@Hnui03
@Hnui03 6 ай бұрын
This is a real 2024 January Terrakion in PU moment
@fatyoshi696
@fatyoshi696 9 ай бұрын
I actually do wonder what some fighting games would look like with a smogon-type tiering system, especially in older fighting games where the power gap can be so huge that some low tier characters are completely invalidated by the top tiers. I remember hearing someone once say that in marvel 2, which is notoriously dominated by a small group of top tiers, there's no point in banning characters because the ones right below them in power will just rise up, which sounds like something tailor-made for a tiering system
@KahilaTheArtSlime
@KahilaTheArtSlime 9 ай бұрын
Don't some MVC players do something like this in pointbuy?
@fatyoshi696
@fatyoshi696 9 ай бұрын
@@KahilaTheArtSlime ratio is a different thing, by making some characters more expensive than others it does shake up the meta quite a bit but there still end up being a few characters who are everywhere and others that never see play
@henriquepacheco7473
@henriquepacheco7473 9 ай бұрын
@@fatyoshi696 me omw to make roll meta by making it the only 0 cost character in ratio
@arachnofiend2859
@arachnofiend2859 9 ай бұрын
@@KahilaTheArtSlime Many years ago there were actual "low tier tournaments" for Marvel that banned all the top tiers but the idea didn't really catch on the way ratio has. The BB Hood/Juggernaut team was good in this format
@NimbusAlamaa
@NimbusAlamaa 9 ай бұрын
To me some of the saddest mons tier-wise are the really bad ubers mons. You've said that basically every pokemon is good in some tier in some generation, but things like Deoxys-Normal or Arceus Bug are just doomed to eternal uselessness in every single generation, and it's really sad. Some of the strongest pokemon in the series, and they just sit in a funny corner collecting dust. Like, even Genesect had a short span of time where it was good like you said but some ubers just have had nothing ever since they were made
@somebodyuknow2507
@somebodyuknow2507 9 ай бұрын
Deoxys Normal had a good place in the DPP Ubers lead metagame due to having a good matchup into deoxys-speed (the meta defining lead)
@black7594
@black7594 9 ай бұрын
Ill have you know that arceus bug is a great tera water user
@Time_looper
@Time_looper 9 ай бұрын
There are some oms that try to give bad Ubers a tier . It’s named oubl
@usernametaken017
@usernametaken017 8 ай бұрын
D-N is just D-A but bad I will never understand why they did that
@Garvant_
@Garvant_ 8 ай бұрын
​​@@usernametaken017like its supposed to be normal but it doesnt have balanced stats at all its still a glass canon with 50s in both defenses but less attack than attack form. Like why bother it still serves the same function but worse you arent surviving anything with 30 more in its defenses its just a less optimized attack mode they should have made it 100s across the board
@hankboog462
@hankboog462 9 ай бұрын
So glad to see big yellow has entered their ace attorney arc given the many references in this video. KZbin would be a better platform if like 50% more videos contained fragrance of dark coffee
@TheStickCollector
@TheStickCollector 9 ай бұрын
I seem to be a "Bitter taste of truth" connoisseur myself, but it's still good
@hankboog462
@hankboog462 9 ай бұрын
@TheStickCollector that songs great too but dark coffee is better background music for a youtube video
@saltinefromindiana
@saltinefromindiana 9 ай бұрын
Gen 9 tiers are also going crazy. Like Tyranitar is finally UU now after being RU with Blissey.
@goGothitaLOL
@goGothitaLOL 9 ай бұрын
And the craziest thing is that Blissey isn’t even in RU now, it’s NU with Chansey retiring in PU
@saltinefromindiana
@saltinefromindiana 9 ай бұрын
@@goGothitaLOL remember when Murkrow was OU
@chilln0648
@chilln0648 9 ай бұрын
There’s also the opposite effect, where a Pokémon is really good in a tier that it isn’t ranked in. You have ridiculous things like Clefable being top 5 in DPP OU, and Gastrodon and Rotom-W being amazing A rank Pokémon in SS OU.
@LordBeau
@LordBeau 9 ай бұрын
My favorite thing about gen 8 Gastrodon is the sheer amount of analyses it has
@limon16025
@limon16025 9 ай бұрын
And there's also things like Vivillon, who's good in NU, AG, and nowhere else, jsut because of how chaotic of a metagame AG is
@carucath97
@carucath97 9 ай бұрын
My man Quag in Gen 8 PU and AG
@grunkleg.3110
@grunkleg.3110 9 ай бұрын
Starmie in Gen 8/SS. Ranked NU and was good in the tier, but was a really good Pokemon in RU and UU
@TheBlueWizzrobe
@TheBlueWizzrobe 9 ай бұрын
While Hypno may not have much presence in the primary RBY OU metagame, at least it's having a good time absolutely tearing it up in tradebacks.
@HarveyVolodarskii
@HarveyVolodarskii 9 ай бұрын
okay but Dusknoir is extremely viable in the “made me cry in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon” tier “Did I shine?”
@endless_havoc123
@endless_havoc123 9 ай бұрын
Big yellow is slowly becoming more bedazzled
@Carlitonsp1
@Carlitonsp1 9 ай бұрын
Slowly?
@fortnitesexman
@fortnitesexman 9 ай бұрын
a fall from grace really 💀
@saffronst3612
@saffronst3612 9 ай бұрын
​@@fortnitesexmanCope They are slaying 💅✨
@CommanderWiggins
@CommanderWiggins 9 ай бұрын
​@@fortnitesexmanWhat, needs more fortnite sex?
@LuigiMan-ig4ty
@LuigiMan-ig4ty 9 ай бұрын
The yassification is real
@DennisPragerIsGodUWU
@DennisPragerIsGodUWU 9 ай бұрын
Gen 8 Hitmontop was in a tier that fitted it for 1 and a half years. But 1 maybe 2 ladder players spammed Hitmontop so much it left PU for NU. Its tourney stats and top ladder stats had it at 0.
@LeleGameplays71
@LeleGameplays71 9 ай бұрын
it happened in gen 7 too if i remember idk
@ocarina5996
@ocarina5996 9 ай бұрын
I remember this vividly. loved using that little fella in pu
@glacierwolf2155
@glacierwolf2155 9 ай бұрын
I loved Hitmontop's climb to OU before the Smogon council changed the rules for usage-based tiering in its entirety.
@UGMD
@UGMD 9 ай бұрын
It was on its way to RU as well, until smogon implemented an unrelated rule that stopped it
@CaptainObliviousV
@CaptainObliviousV 9 ай бұрын
I remember the OU Hitmontop movement well lmao
@Qaos
@Qaos 8 ай бұрын
You should do a video about funny Smogon analyses. Kakuna's DPP OU entry is especially golden.
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 8 ай бұрын
I've actually wanted to do this for a while but wasn't sure how to go about it, the BW Delibird analysis is a personal favourite of mine
@petrie911
@petrie911 9 ай бұрын
I played the hell out of DPP UU when it was current gen, and man we were always hoping OU would finally come to its senses and stop using Electivire. It would have fit right in and would have had a unique role. Dusknoir would probably have been fine too, but probably plays a lot like Spiritomb. Maybe they should give them a shot in UU.
@bettyunicorn6132
@bettyunicorn6132 2 ай бұрын
Teir locking shouldn’t be a thing
@dawn2955
@dawn2955 9 ай бұрын
Hey, I play GSC UU extremely often. Golduck is very bad in this metagame, and only has a tiny, usually meme niche. It’s a Water type with Light Screen and decentish stats. It can support Pokemon like Granbull with Light Screen. It faces a lot of competition from Mr. Mime and Electrode in this role though. I would rank Golduck around D tier, its a really bad pick.
@primaster9360
@primaster9360 9 ай бұрын
Well I'm glad we got an answer to that, leaving a reply to bump you up
@MilleMarteaux
@MilleMarteaux 9 ай бұрын
i hate that i hear about double hit and think "oh, that could break substitutes" before remembering it's ambipom and that's exactly how you get tricked into trying to use it
@flowersnek1010
@flowersnek1010 9 ай бұрын
Hypno running Meditate and Headbutt in RBY OU is pretty funny. Things like that are part of why I don't like the move cuts from gen 8 and later - the ridiculously niche removed moves are just gone, so there's no chance for some random Pokémon which learns them to have a viable set that uses them. Also, it's funny that Sceptile is lower than Roselia in ADV OU.
@hppern3971
@hppern3971 9 ай бұрын
One interesting thing about the weirdness that was the historic Gen 3 UUBL (& it often goes udnerstated that UU iirc started with Gen 3, and NU with Gen 4, iirc), is that Gen 4 UU started with a very similar "we think it would be busted" BL list. When people discuss tiering history & important decisions, they often discount just how consequential the decision early in DP to unban all of the BL Pokemon & do a formal series of UU suspect tests was. One of the Smog articles around the HGSS era does a pretty good recap of the previous stages of DPP UU up to that point, including that early early stage with the massive UUBL. Gen 4, between the first formal suspect tests, the first non-legendary & non-Shadow Tag ban, the first actual usage-based tiers, the opening of BL, and the importance of wifi-battling, really was the start of most of what is associated with competitive singles these days.
@stupidflandrs4856
@stupidflandrs4856 9 ай бұрын
My favorite example of whacky tiering that you didn't get to was in gen 8, when Arctozolt was NU or PU before suddenly getting banned from UU because hail teams were better there than in any other tier😂
@KungFuCutbug
@KungFuCutbug 9 ай бұрын
Gen 9 is the only gen where you can unironically say there's a version of Delibird in Ubers (or at least there was, I don't know if Iron Bundle's viability has changed recently) and I think that's beautiful
@nsbathome
@nsbathome 9 ай бұрын
Not only that, but it's actually solid up there. Biggest glow up in pokemon history if only by proxy.
@carucath97
@carucath97 9 ай бұрын
The fact that the best future Paradox form is Delibird while the worst is Tyranitar is hilarious to me (though I think it’s because its stats are more minmaxed)
@SomeAsian
@SomeAsian 5 ай бұрын
​@@carucath97 What's more wild is I think Iron Thorns and Scream Tail (both NU right now) are considered the worst Paradoxes of all. ...Tyranitar is on JIGGLYPUFF'S level. Oof.
@miamira1856
@miamira1856 9 ай бұрын
my favourite bit of tiering weirdness is Torterra somehow being the best Pokemon in SM PU but also never managing to get enough usage for it to be a part of the tier officially
@Glockenspheal
@Glockenspheal 9 ай бұрын
Sunkern being in Anything Goes BL in RBY is still crazy to me.
@ultimapower6950
@ultimapower6950 9 ай бұрын
I’m not sure what’s funnier Sunkern being Anything Goes in Gen 1 or Anything Goes Having a Banlist.
@maxhadanidea
@maxhadanidea 9 ай бұрын
wtf does this mean
@waluigiisthebest2802
@waluigiisthebest2802 9 ай бұрын
@@maxhadanideaSunkern is a gen 2 Pokémon, so it cannot be used in gen 1 at all, meaning it’s effectively banned in every tier since it doesn’t exist.
@ultimapower6950
@ultimapower6950 9 ай бұрын
@@waluigiisthebest2802 and if did exist it would be in NoU/LolU and push Either Metapod, Caterpie or Ditto out of the Meta.
@grrgrrgrr0202
@grrgrrgrr0202 9 ай бұрын
Another funny thing is that Gamefreak keeps neglecting the move pools of Dusknoir and Evire nowadays. Dusknoir still cannot learn Drain Punch and Knock Off. Evire is the only Mon with Cross Chop but no Close Combat, and misses a gazillion of other things too.
@Carlitonsp1
@Carlitonsp1 9 ай бұрын
Seeing Mewtwo with "NU" under it is so weird.
@ultimapower6950
@ultimapower6950 9 ай бұрын
It’s a prediction of Gen 11’s Metagame where Gen 11’s NU is equivalent to Gen 1 Ubers
@primaster9360
@primaster9360 9 ай бұрын
When you think about it, people using Electivire and Dusknoir in DPP is the same logic of people using Charizard in RBY OU "But is so freaking cool, it has to do something" nope
@Yomasi
@Yomasi 9 ай бұрын
It's kinda hilarious to note that BOTH Electivire and Dusknoir's niches in DPP OU are both completely outclassed by the same pokemon, being Rotom It's kinda sad but also kinda funny, and such is the way of competitive pokemon sometimes.
@EllingtonReborn
@EllingtonReborn 9 ай бұрын
Hi I helped contribute to the gen 3 UU viability rankings so i got stuff to say about Pluff!!!! So, at the point in time that we were making the VR Jumpluff was extremely fresh in the tier with its only real usage being ALTPL where yes it did struggle to do stuff. A lot of our votes were based on pure theory but judging by the fact that its absurdly weak without SD and SubSeed can't make a lot of progress (and checked by Tentacruel, who is one of the best pokemon in the tier) most of us did decide it was worse than things like Hitmonlee and Clef. I ranked it 48 even under stuff like Aggron and Fearow, I don't see huge potential outside fast Encore but honestly that's most of the mons that are C+ and under in this tier. FORTUNATELY though some of us in the Gen 3 UU community formed a community-made tier with said bad mons and made our own "RU", featuring UU's bad mons plus the pokemon ranked in NU! It's a really cool tier and we've been having a LOT of fun with it, I see potential for it to grow better than current UU in my humble opinion. And while Jumpluff isn't in because it's extremely new and there's not an incredible foundation for it's placing we might be able to suspect test it in the future so it can trickle down into "RU".
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 9 ай бұрын
This is extremely cool to hear, thanks so much for your input! I'm very curious how all of that works out tbh the idea of a sort of pseudo RU is a really interesting development
@RivLabs
@RivLabs 8 ай бұрын
i love that yall basically made an underground fight club for misfits amazing
@usernametaken017
@usernametaken017 5 ай бұрын
any updates?
@usernametaken017
@usernametaken017 5 ай бұрын
any updates?
@StarfieldDisarray
@StarfieldDisarray 9 ай бұрын
The most common complaint I've seen about the tiering system is "oh i want to use my favorites but some of them are trashy nu mons and some of them are ou mons" which is an unsolvable problem short of having a point-buy system which would be its own format entirely and a nightmare to manage with the massive amount of Pokemon we have now. (lol i typed up a bunch about g6ru ambipom in the first 15 minutes before you got to it) So I'll talk about its sister shitmon Hitmonchan. In Gen 5 RU (and for a while in Gen 6 RU), it was really really bad and very popular among new and inexperience players. Very similar to Ambipom. So you had a bunch of people in RU wanting Hitmonchan to fuck off (alongside Ambipom) so they wouldn't have to discuss it anymore *and* you had NU players desperately wanting it to drop so they'd have another Spinner in the tier. Those fuckers were so desperate for Spinners they were running *Eviolite Staryu*. Despite the perma-hazards of Gen 5 NU, Charizard was still a top threat though. Oops. Fortunately late in Gen 6 Hitmonchan *finally* dropped to NU, unfortunately leaving Ambipom behind.
@shadowtitanx3962
@shadowtitanx3962 9 ай бұрын
Sad thing is that Gen 5 NU REALLY killed for a good Spinner, cus the only Spinner you only see commonly is Wartortle. And Torkoal is very niche.
@StarfieldDisarray
@StarfieldDisarray 9 ай бұрын
@@shadowtitanx3962 Your spinner options were Armaldo and Torkoal and then Eviolite Wartortle and Staryu. I personally always held the opinion that the Eviolite spinners were a meme that couldn't ever contribute more than a Scald burn.
@louc.6735
@louc.6735 9 ай бұрын
To point at your first complaint, the solution there is Draft Leagues. It is an alternate metagame that players have already thought up. Just gotta find the rules for the gen you wanna play in and then draft mons. Also god I remember the dark days of gen 5 nu rocks. It was hell.
@ori_bori
@ori_bori 9 ай бұрын
pls never stop putting this stupid silly little explosion in your videos it brings me much joy 25:32 29:12 31:09
@RivLabs
@RivLabs 8 ай бұрын
related if anyone knows where i could get my hands on that effect please let me know i need it
@ori_bori
@ori_bori 8 ай бұрын
​@@RivLabslook up "deltarune explosion gif" on google :]
@characookie241
@characookie241 12 күн бұрын
​@@RivLabsI'm pretty sure it's somewhere in the Deltarune page in Spriter's resource
@JB-bc2ry
@JB-bc2ry 9 ай бұрын
The Genesect section of this reminds me of some talk on the forums about a hypothetical OUBL tier, where it and other shit Ubers like Reshiram could have spotlight. It could be a neat idea but I also kinda get why it doesn't exist, cause it'd probably just be OU with a lot of Hyper Offense demons that have no business there.
@flatfacefumo
@flatfacefumo 5 ай бұрын
There's probably other comments about this that I just haven't seen so forgive me if you already know, but MvC has a thing called "ratio tournaments" where you're given an amount of points to build your team out of. High tiers cost more points than low tiers so teambuilding is usually based around finding synergy between mid tiers or sandwiching a high tier between two low tiers. It's the closest thing to smogon tiering that I can think of
@yserareborn
@yserareborn 9 ай бұрын
Seeing "NU" above Mewtwo sent me into a panic for a second. Like, I know Ubers has been rough for the guy, but I'd freak if the guy fell out of his own tier and kept falling all the way to NU.
@regilad_9043
@regilad_9043 9 ай бұрын
There actually doing pretty well currently in sv ubers, so don't worry
@DSaC_
@DSaC_ 9 ай бұрын
Tf do you mean rough? Mewtwo's not as good as his glory days of Gen 1, but the dude's still flexing a solid statline and one of the best movepools in the series. Shitters like Reshiram will drop long before Mewtwo does.
@dlp6567
@dlp6567 9 ай бұрын
​​@@DSaC_Do not do my boy Reshi like that, the Kuyrem gang is infinite times better then modern lazy ass DLC legendaries (not counting Ogerpon but still)
@juannaym8488
@juannaym8488 9 ай бұрын
@@DSaC_ its movepool is so goated. Even when there were better offensive psychic types, Mewtwo still always maintained some niche because of its mad versatility
@usernametaken017
@usernametaken017 8 ай бұрын
Gen 13 is wild fr
@mewtationssb
@mewtationssb 9 ай бұрын
Dude that Regice bit made me laugh so hard. Subbed only a couple months ago and I’m so glad I did. Keep being you Big Yellow. :)
@mattguy1773
@mattguy1773 9 ай бұрын
big yellow and competitive stuff makes me feel happier
@genblinko7801
@genblinko7801 9 ай бұрын
real
@MotherCelevrus
@MotherCelevrus 9 ай бұрын
I love the idea of tentacruel just banning anything that even gets close to beating it
@b6oy1004
@b6oy1004 8 ай бұрын
24:53 GREAT DUSK man the nicknames in these videos are always on point
@p1nh3dlarry72
@p1nh3dlarry72 9 ай бұрын
Staraptor is my favorite flying type, I’ve known nothing but pain for years
@MishKoz
@MishKoz 9 ай бұрын
That "Eggy & The Rocks" image got me good
@deathpigeon2
@deathpigeon2 9 ай бұрын
One of the funnier versions of being in a tier by technicality is when a non-mega form of a pokémon is used a lot in a tier, but not the mega form, but the mega form can't drop because you could just run the pokémon in the lower tier carrying the mega stone and simply choose not to mega evolve and be fine, so it ends up in the tier its non-mega form is in by technicality.
@nift36
@nift36 6 ай бұрын
Garchomp
@benro6564
@benro6564 9 ай бұрын
I appreciate this because my zoomer brain can only evaluate the quality of things via tier list. It is seriously impairing my ability to do things on a daily basis
@KR_Kosmik
@KR_Kosmik 9 ай бұрын
Something i never see people point out but i love the nicknames that are given to the pokemon in the footage
@matthewbrown6573
@matthewbrown6573 9 ай бұрын
Dude I'm such a fan of all the customer sprites you use in the videos. That bit where hypno was sneaking up on tentacruel was hilarious
@goGothitaLOL
@goGothitaLOL 9 ай бұрын
Shoutout to Naganadel in Gen 8 Ubers Who should you be using? Naganadel or The cooler Naganadel (a.k.a. Eternatus)
@luxtenax9175
@luxtenax9175 9 ай бұрын
I just wanted to thank you for making these videos. I've always wanted to get into competitive pokemon because it looks like a lot of fun but all the tiers systems, mechanics and updates are hard to understand and keep track of as an outsider with 0 knowledge of them and not a lot of people can explain them in such a detailed way like you do. Now I wish the smogon tiering system was a thing in yugioh, it'd be a lot easier to find ppl to play with in a competitive way but without using the expensive top tier decks of the current meta.
@KeshavKrishnan
@KeshavKrishnan 9 ай бұрын
Imagine playing an NU metal in yugioh. God I'd love it. I've been playing a progression draft and the rotation format but man
@michaeltate6367
@michaeltate6367 9 ай бұрын
Hypno may be stuck in UUBL for RBY, but it is my understanding that they are a very real mon in RBY Tradebacks. I would love to see a video about Tradebacks, I think it's a very interesting format
@SpearMKW
@SpearMKW 9 ай бұрын
im actually kinda interested in a full history of Borderline (BL before it was changed to Banlist) over the course of Smogon's existance. Im pretty certain it wasnt always used as a banlist, since BL (now UUBL) has always been massive in some of the earlier gens, where to a lot of people it even felt like its own tier with the exception that it wasnt a playable format, from what i remember from 15 years ago.
@henriquepacheco7473
@henriquepacheco7473 9 ай бұрын
it has always been used as a banlist, and it's still called borderline. Kinda boring, but it is what it is.
@allenkeettikkal3149
@allenkeettikkal3149 9 ай бұрын
Interestingly enough, Most of the pokemon in BL for Gens 2-3 weren’t actually tested in UU, but were assumed to be too strong for the tier but too weak for OU. Yet this would end up in those tier having enough mons to be their own seperate metagame.
@ZEKKEN100_
@ZEKKEN100_ 9 ай бұрын
It's understandable to think annihilape was purple because the thing about annihilape is that it's primeape but ghost and a lot of ghost types in earlier gens are purple
@NARFNra
@NARFNra 9 ай бұрын
I remember from back when gen 4 was new, basically everyone would talk about how Electivire was total mid that noobs kept playing because he was just sooo coool, it's interesting to see those thoughts borne out over the years as still true. I forgot about Dusknoir's thing though, I feel like I remember people coping on like... sub punch sets, for some reason. Man, remember sub punch? What a gen 3/4 throwback honestly
@BigYellowSilly
@BigYellowSilly 9 ай бұрын
god subpunch fits dusknoir so well thematically too ughhhhhh I wish it could cook
@kay_sou
@kay_sou 9 ай бұрын
Shoutout to Gen 8 Hitmontop, who is stuck in NU because a small group of players conspired to all artificially raise its usage, stealing it from PU, and being a large part of the reason Smogon put a freeze on pokemon rising in tiers for the last few tiering shifts of the generation.
@WorldinRooView
@WorldinRooView 8 ай бұрын
Having a Pokemon named Hypno banned because they became too powerful after banning sleep inducing moves is like a whole new verse in an Alanis Morrissette song.
@EdwardoFE
@EdwardoFE 9 ай бұрын
I want the 8 hour Staraptor breakdown.
@RedSpade37
@RedSpade37 8 ай бұрын
So say we one; so say we all.
@tacosffeep3697
@tacosffeep3697 9 ай бұрын
"dont make excuses to use wynaut" is a very funny statement considering
@usernametaken017
@usernametaken017 5 ай бұрын
considering?
@tacosffeep3697
@tacosffeep3697 5 ай бұрын
its name @@usernametaken017
@citcoin-official2681
@citcoin-official2681 4 күн бұрын
​@@usernametaken017 It's name is Wynaut. As in, 'Why Not' Which is an Excuse.
@CNightmare072
@CNightmare072 9 ай бұрын
I want to let you know that I always get a chuckle out of the silly, clever nicknames you give Pokémon in your demonstrations, but “Rai Kiske” just destroyed me for some reason😂
@squeakboy3666
@squeakboy3666 9 ай бұрын
feliz latias made me LOSE IT
@Jay-ho7sf
@Jay-ho7sf 9 ай бұрын
"The Genesect Problem™️" has kind of been getting very prevalent as powercreep has caused many mons to face similar predicament, mainly in Gens 8 and especially 9 since the council has been pretty liberal with bans (rightfully so mind you, shit's wild). It has gotten to a point where people are wondering if a tier between OU and Ubers could be put in place. Which is just not gonna work honestly. Think of the Smogon metagames like ecosystems with defined roles. Sweepers and cleaners, walls, utility mons, trappers, breakers, etc. If a pokemon appears on the rankings fairly high, that likely means that it fill one or more of more specific roles. I am grossly simplifying this but it still works gor my point. Pretty much all of the "OUBL" mons are sweepers and/or breakers with few exceptions. And since the walls of OU weren't enough to stop them before, there isn't much of a place for defensive mons. So, it'd literally just be all offense, which doesn't make for a healthy metagame.
@paulnewton2284
@paulnewton2284 8 ай бұрын
Fairly recently, SV players created a "UUbers" tier, which is kind of this. It basically looks at standard Ubers and does the same thing UU does with OU, where it bans the mons that get more than whatever the usage threshold is and allows the new metagame to develop. This obviously bans a lot of common Legendaries, but it also ends up banning mons who aren't so powerful that they are banned to Ubers but that see a lot of use in Ubers because of the metagame. The most prominent examples I can think of in that regard are Skeledirge and Iron Treads. So you end up with a really interesting blend of available mons.
@SophieSnerp
@SophieSnerp 9 ай бұрын
One thing I've always wondered are why early gen UUBL tiers are so big, like at that point wouldnt the Pokémon in UUBL just be what the UU tier is built around? Also shoutouts to Gen 5 Sandslash for being banned from OU indirectly because its only 2 abilities were banned thats just a little silly thing i think is funny
@gratedshtick
@gratedshtick 9 ай бұрын
It used to be that the banlists were called Borderline, since usage was more emphasized
@JadestarXL
@JadestarXL 9 ай бұрын
Costraightrigus is a bonkers ass nickname and I love it, A+ GTS friendly now
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