Every Song On Earth Should Use This Vocal Mixing Trick

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Big Z

Big Z

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@storah-raw
@storah-raw Жыл бұрын
A before/after comparison would have been really cool
@JoshuaTMagee
@JoshuaTMagee Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@RONNIESAWLIN
@RONNIESAWLIN Жыл бұрын
Wanted to write the same. thx.
@Hive5ive
@Hive5ive Жыл бұрын
Literally at the 16 second mark is the before.
@JoshuaTMagee
@JoshuaTMagee Жыл бұрын
@@Hive5ive, I think you already know what everyone here is asking. If you can critically listen while hopping back and forth between precise timestamps, more power to you, but a simple A/B comparison at the end of the video would have made this great video even more helpful. Have a good day.
@Hive5ive
@Hive5ive Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaTMagee The easiest thing to do is fire up your daw, implement the trick as he described, hear if it works, then come back here and thank the man for giving you literally pro level techniques for free. But sure, lets gather round and complain about an a/b comparison he didn't provide.
@NickLynar
@NickLynar Жыл бұрын
I’ve been mixing and producing for 15 years and this just blew my mind !
@ptkk21
@ptkk21 4 ай бұрын
You've been mixing for 15 years without knowing sidechain compression?
@billyjohnson1086
@billyjohnson1086 4 ай бұрын
@@ptkk21 soothe is a dynamic eq, not compressor.
@ptkk21
@ptkk21 4 ай бұрын
@@billyjohnson1086 Every dynamic eq is an automated sidechain compressor.
@ILnessx
@ILnessx 2 ай бұрын
​@@ptkk21soothe is something different
@kiingjk7705
@kiingjk7705 9 ай бұрын
I LOVE THAT YOU KEEP IT SHORT AND SIMPLE. IM TIRED OF CLICKING ON VIDEOS AND WAITING 10 MINUTES FOR SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN SIMPLE THINGS LIKE THIS!! THANK YOU
@ayodelesunday2130
@ayodelesunday2130 8 ай бұрын
exactly
@FredRosa
@FredRosa Ай бұрын
I agree.
@paulmisty8998
@paulmisty8998 4 ай бұрын
I'll add that: 1. Soothe reduces the frequency unaware of potential frequency maskings. This means that the instrumental will be reduced in volume as soon as there is a vocal coming in. 2. There are other plugins that are specialised for unmasking duties that analyse the s/c input and then only lower the volume if there is any frequency masking happening. → in short words: Soothe doesn't care what's going on in the instrumental. It's reducing the incoming s/c signal away from the instrumental - even if there was no real problem with clashing frequencies (masking). On the other hand, there are plugins that analyse masking problems and only reduce if there IS a problem. Ducking plugins: Soothe, Trackspacer, Multiband Compressors. Unmasking plugins: SmartComp 1 and 2, SmartEQ4.
@iamOnenO
@iamOnenO Жыл бұрын
I would suggest turning the “quality” from 1x to 4x when doing this technique. I have noticed some artifacts in my instrumental channel while at 1x, but switching to 4x preserves my mix. Great video man! Keep it up!
@LokiBeckonswow
@LokiBeckonswow Жыл бұрын
nice, this is turning up oversampling? great point here
@jcmapula1544
@jcmapula1544 Жыл бұрын
where can i do this? dAW or PLUGIN?
@nolanfontaine7973
@nolanfontaine7973 Жыл бұрын
What do you mean by turning up the quality
@iamOnenO
@iamOnenO Жыл бұрын
@@nolanfontaine7973 In the plug-in there is a parameter called “quality”. It’s in the middle just to the left of the graphic eq
@JackieStacyBakerMusic
@JackieStacyBakerMusic Жыл бұрын
Super good tip. I just did this and it helped the reverb tails come through better. Thanks!
@TheAJKid
@TheAJKid Жыл бұрын
this is the best use of Soothe 2 I've ever seen and I'm going to try this. Hats off to this man. I've rarely used Soothe 2 since I bought Pro Q 3.
@kenmula4624
@kenmula4624 5 ай бұрын
Can PRO Q 3 be used for the same effect as Soothe? any idea
@TheAJKid
@TheAJKid 5 ай бұрын
@@kenmula4624 Kind of. Depends on what you’re using it for. Soothe is essentially just a dynamic EQ reacting to thresholds but it’s more automated and algorithmic. PRO Q is just a really diverse EQ. It has dynamic bands as well if you want to use them.
@kenmula4624
@kenmula4624 5 ай бұрын
@@TheAJKid i was hoping to do this trick from this video, but i don't have soothe2. i was hoping to use PRO Q3 or something else that is less expensive or that i already own.
@guthriejenkins
@guthriejenkins Жыл бұрын
The mixing part of this is as excellent as always but the video production is also crazy good. The way you overlaid the frequency spectra was just so perfect! Sound effects, close-ups, zoom-ins,... awesome!!!
@ThiagoBezerraSantos
@ThiagoBezerraSantos Жыл бұрын
great eyes!
@sskmusic4971
@sskmusic4971 10 ай бұрын
Same that stood out to me more than the effect like"how he did thatttt"
@JakeAdkinsOfficial
@JakeAdkinsOfficial Жыл бұрын
This is like the most important mixing tip ever. I feel like everyone should learn this right off the bat but almost no one does. Thanks for this.
@Skrenja
@Skrenja 11 ай бұрын
Nah, this technique uses a 3rd party plugin and "yOu dOn'T nEeD tO bUy plUgInS. YoUr DaW dOeS eVeRyThInG." 😂
@sologemeni
@sologemeni 10 ай бұрын
@@Skrenja laughed
@Louisis
@Louisis 9 ай бұрын
@@Skrenja it just uses a 3rd part EQ, every DAW has an EQ that can sidechain like this no?
@JohanBuurma
@JohanBuurma 9 ай бұрын
It's a huge trick I use, but I 100% think that if you're gonna be a mixing engineer, you should learn all of the basics first. If you just do this between every track, then things may fit, but it'll constantly be changing and lopsided in how, what, and when things fit where. Gotta get the mix going a good bit before using this to a great effect
@jameswhitaker4357
@jameswhitaker4357 8 ай бұрын
@@JohanBuurmathis trick is also reallr great when used on a reverb bus
@tarastmichel
@tarastmichel Жыл бұрын
This is basically similar to what I do with TDR Nova. I send the vocal bus to unused channels in Reaper and use those as the sidechain reference in Nova. This will work with pretty much any dynamic EQ or multi-band compressor and it’s great for mixing to premade beats when you can’t adjust anything to carve out the space manually even if you wanted to. You only really need to do it on any frequencies that are actively obscuring the vocal too much and not every single space the vocal exists. I usually do somewhere in the mids and around 5khz since those are usually spots that clash with vocal clarity and depth.
@davelowry123
@davelowry123 Жыл бұрын
I'm slowly figuring out how to do this in Reaper too. Do you recommend doing it on every project like BigZ said?
@tarastmichel
@tarastmichel Жыл бұрын
@@davelowry123 I usually find myself doing this on every project even if it’s just to kinda tuck the vocal into the instrumental a bit more. Not all projects will necessarily need it though. If you start to hear the vocal getting hard to hear or understand and raising the vocals makes it sound like the vocal is sitting on top rather than as a part of the whole piece, then you definitely want to use this. Otherwise use your discretion. Some genres or styles may naturally make room for a vocal pretty well in the instrumental mix and you may not need this.
@SAPhoenixat
@SAPhoenixat Жыл бұрын
Do you know how to sidechain it like he does here but in reaper ?@@tarastmichel
@tarastmichel
@tarastmichel Жыл бұрын
@@SAPhoenixat The main thing is Reaper works a little differently than other DAWs in that you don’t really have specific bus tracks or sends. What you’d want to do is group all your vocals in a folder track (which I like to think of as a bus) and send that track to the instrumental track or folder (depending on whether you have stems grouped in a folder or a pre-rendered track) on channels 3/4. This effectively makes a copy of the stereo vocal audio on channels 3 and 4 which are not used in a stereo mix and thus aren’t heard on the master track. Then you add your plugin to the instrumental track or folder and tell it to reference those channels (which may also show up as EXT, External, or Auxiliary in some plugins). This should work the same as what he does in the video but working around Reaper’s odd layout. There’s a ton of videos outlining how to side chain in reaper if you get stuck cause it’s not quite the same as a DAW where you have set busses and sends… instead your tracks become what you make them based on layout and usage.
@SAPhoenixat
@SAPhoenixat Жыл бұрын
Thanks I did exactly that and it works wonderfully @@tarastmichel
@necroticpoison
@necroticpoison Жыл бұрын
For those that don't own soothe but want to try out a free form of this (and simple), check out TDR Nova. You can sidechain with it, and use the dynamic eq bands to affect whichever areas you would like, with whichever q.
@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS
@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS 6 ай бұрын
F soothe. Kills sonority
@Noshu4me
@Noshu4me 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for this...trying to figure this out
@lNowHerel
@lNowHerel 3 ай бұрын
Got a video on how for newbies?
@MrDJSTRATEGY
@MrDJSTRATEGY 3 ай бұрын
Or trackspacer
@typicaltilly2535
@typicaltilly2535 Ай бұрын
Ty for suggesting something affordable
@Esthy
@Esthy Жыл бұрын
:DDDD I am crying, what a great transition: "but if I were to do an AD...." Love this trick, kinda forgot about it so thanks for the reminder! You are the most straightforward and informative mixing channel out there! 💕
@yahyeet6163
@yahyeet6163 10 ай бұрын
I'm boutta bus 😫
@sausboi9677
@sausboi9677 4 ай бұрын
HAHA.
@kingbobo3865
@kingbobo3865 2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@jamalcole1985
@jamalcole1985 2 ай бұрын
Hahahahahaha 😂😂😂
@kydiamusic
@kydiamusic Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! It took me awhile but I figured out how to do this in Ableton: Set up a Return Track, toggle the Post/Pre button to Pre Turn down the Return track to -inf Route your vocal track to the Return Track; all the way up to zero Put Soothe2 on your Instrument Group Sidechain it to the Return track, Post FX (this is in the Audio Effects bar at the bottom, not in the Plug-in window itself) In the Plug-in view of Soothe2, turn on the Sidechain button From there, you should be able to toggle the Delta button on and off to hear the vocals--this is easier to hear if you solo the Instrument group AND the Return track
@wllywllywlly
@wllywllywlly Жыл бұрын
nice find, thank you for sharing! Ableton gang 💪
@lurkwave
@lurkwave Жыл бұрын
Gangggggg
@ak5
@ak5 Жыл бұрын
Easier way, duplicate vocal track and disable it, group instrument tracks and select side chain from the Soothe2 device at bottom - cheers!
@FlowFormMobileMusic
@FlowFormMobileMusic Жыл бұрын
Big thanks!
@lilneillowercase
@lilneillowercase Жыл бұрын
you literally just sidechain to soothe2, no return track or duplicate track nonsense necessary
@westthampton
@westthampton Жыл бұрын
Usually I learn something from videos, this taught me absolutely nothing, but I get it he charges for real teaching
@starrmixstudios
@starrmixstudios Жыл бұрын
This is fire. It makes so much more sense to use soothe instead of a dynamic eq! Excellent tip!
@freddymercury2259
@freddymercury2259 6 ай бұрын
Can't you just use side chain on another plugin?
@danzirvine
@danzirvine 6 ай бұрын
@@freddymercury2259 it has to be a plugin that can spectral track the freqs
@adissabovic
@adissabovic 28 күн бұрын
1:34 - Single EQ - R Compress - Pro-C 2 - Soothe - Soothe - Soothe - R DeEsser - Saturn - Pro-Q 3 - Ozone Img. - Valhall - Pro-Q 3 ...not over-processing at all!
@emboar7247
@emboar7247 10 күн бұрын
You’re not being sarcastic because it indeed is not over-processing, especially with the mildness of his knob turning.
@kadenjames
@kadenjames Жыл бұрын
His editing to make the complex things seem so simple is underrated 🔥
@LizaLavolta
@LizaLavolta 9 ай бұрын
truth
@LifeOfnuruDeen
@LifeOfnuruDeen 3 ай бұрын
It's really simple in FL studio 😂😂😂 just using the FL studio fruity limiter to sidechain the instruments
@Brositive
@Brositive 2 ай бұрын
You can do that too in ableton as simple as in fl studio. So whats the point? This video topic is soothe . Lol@@LifeOfnuruDeen
@zsombigregor
@zsombigregor Жыл бұрын
And that's what you can do with the multiband sidechain preset of the patcher in fl studio. I love that sooo much.
@kidknik
@kidknik 10 ай бұрын
You have opened my mind to so much with your courses and training methods, thank you so much for the value you bring to the community. You are creating artists! It’s people like you that make the world a better place with better music. Nobody should have to struggle when it comes to learning music production. Thank you again!
@freqhandy
@freqhandy 10 ай бұрын
Excellent explanation of one of my favourite techniques! More dynamic version of bus splitting and phase inversion of the copied vocal, or master bus compression/creating instrumental duck side-chained to vocal.
@ULTRALIONE
@ULTRALIONE Жыл бұрын
havent seen your videos in a while and oh my god the production values and editing you've implemented are insane. the hard work is showing man! keep it up!
@Bigboyb5900
@Bigboyb5900 2 ай бұрын
For people wanting the same effect but don’t want to splash out on soothe … Waves just released Curves Equator and it will do the exact same thing for a 5th of the price. You’re welcome
@SteveBakerProducerMusician
@SteveBakerProducerMusician Жыл бұрын
Very useful info to share for people learning to mix or producing their own Pop style tracks with loads of synths etc. Soothe is great but also so is Trackspacer for around £50. A thought I had which might be useful to share here: techniques like this are most relevant for 'modern Pop, EDM, Dance Pop' and genres that are super slick, sonically dense and full of layers of synths. BUT if you actually work on arrangements that minimise masking (the problem being solved by the technique in this vid), then side-chain EQ, dynamic EQ / multi-band compression etc don't really need to be used as much. The most experienced of the Pro mixers (and probably those close to dinosaur age) will always talk about the fact the mixing starts with the arrangement. Well-arranged tracks mix themselves - it's a principle that goes back to older times, but still holds true. Listen to the tone of the singer's voice and the other main focal points and choose other sounds (synths, guitars etc) the complement them and don't mask them. Also, if you leave space in your arrangement for the vocal to breath, the music is much easier to mix. But again, most modern Dance Pop isn't made like that - some is though. Just listen to Billie Eilish production. So clean!
@blursedd
@blursedd Жыл бұрын
i just cracked both lmao
@PrinceRayMusic
@PrinceRayMusic Жыл бұрын
When it comes to rap vocals it can be tricky at times
@shanonkiyoshi4784
@shanonkiyoshi4784 10 ай бұрын
TRACKSPACER works with ANY genre (regardless of arrangement) because sound is sound and frequencies CLASH -- just the nature of the beast. It's an infinitely adjustable spectral effect that basically makes a traveling matte for AUDIO instead of images. I use it in every way imaginable, especially when setting up INTERACTIVE Sonic Hierarchies (i.e. Instruments BELOW Bass, Bass BELOW Drums, & Drums BELOW Vocals 😉). You can AUTOMATE it for more punch in the choruses & more impact in the Drops. I'm a film composer so I've used it seamlessly in jazz, Orchestral, Hybrid, Country & Electronic. I am not affiliated with the company @ all but absolutely swear by it. Of course Arrangement & Sound Design/Choice are CRUCIAL for Sonic Clarity & Emotional Impact, but TRACKSPACER is literally a Spectral Cheat Code for FAST & DECISIVE mixing. Definitely check it out -- it is completely UNDERRATED for it's Utility, Speed, & Flexibility 🔥😎👍🔥
@Joe_Pass
@Joe_Pass 9 ай бұрын
@@shanonkiyoshi4784 Totally agree, good Sir.
@Katya.s
@Katya.s 9 ай бұрын
@@shanonkiyoshi4784 amazing info, thank you! Do you happen to know if Logic’s new Mastering Assistant doubles on any Trackspacer abilities?
@sleonse
@sleonse Жыл бұрын
Big Z you really are Great man! Thanks!
@maxmonies
@maxmonies Жыл бұрын
I use trackspacer. It's great. Send the vocal through a send to the backing music. Move the high and low pass towards the kids so you don't lose the sheen on top or the bottom, but carve out the kids you need for vocal clarity.
@omnipop4936
@omnipop4936 Жыл бұрын
Please explain to a newbie what "kids" refers to here.
@Mineiro426
@Mineiro426 Жыл бұрын
@@omnipop4936 haha I was asking myself the same.
@maxmonies
@maxmonies Жыл бұрын
I meant "mids" (damn auto correct)
@AdMBandLeader
@AdMBandLeader Жыл бұрын
​@@maxmonies😂😂😂kids
@GTSongwriter
@GTSongwriter Жыл бұрын
He's a MAP in disguise.
@prodnothingtodo
@prodnothingtodo 6 ай бұрын
how do people even come up with stuff like this my respect man ty for showing this
@pfft5275
@pfft5275 3 ай бұрын
Note for people taking this as a perfect solution: the problem with making a perfect inversion of the dynamics means that the backing track gets cut most when a loud sound comes in, and cut the least for quietest sounds-- in other words, the opposite of what we need to make room. The loudest parts were already loud enough to cut through and now they've got even more space, and the quietest parts that needed the most room get the least attention. It's still a useful tool for your arsenal, just don't get confused about what it's doing. Keep in mind what's actually happening, so that you'll know if it's right for your mix or if you need to compensate for it.
@wolei_sway
@wolei_sway Ай бұрын
This is absolutely true! It's there actually way to do the opposite?
@psydewise3813
@psydewise3813 Ай бұрын
true , but if we use clippers and make sure the loud peaks are not all over the show its still a useful sidechain a lil different to the usual
@marcusp5345
@marcusp5345 Ай бұрын
​@@psydewise3813Ya, clip the side chain before feeding to sooth then raise the threshold in sooth.
@digdigdigdigdig1749
@digdigdigdigdig1749 Жыл бұрын
Literally fucking game changing, usually mixing tutorials are hit or miss, but you fucking killed it my g
@happyshadow
@happyshadow Жыл бұрын
You can go further by using mid side unlinking OR Stereo unlinking to focus the effect
@Rocky2Up
@Rocky2Up 9 ай бұрын
What? How
@happyshadow
@happyshadow 9 ай бұрын
@@Rocky2Up at the bottom right there is a left and right or mid side button and a link percentage you can turn down
@jameswhitaker4357
@jameswhitaker4357 8 ай бұрын
@@happyshadoware u focusing your effects on mid processing I’m guessing
@WhoIsYaMinko
@WhoIsYaMinko 22 күн бұрын
Excellent. Thank you!
@remydupon9965
@remydupon9965 Жыл бұрын
Great tip!!! Works the same as trackspacer but with much more precision on the frequencies. Thanks
@bsv7525
@bsv7525 Жыл бұрын
This is literally the best thing I've seen. Hella helpful, now I'm also excited for my music😂😂. Thank you🙏
@tamashalo
@tamashalo Жыл бұрын
Super good content man your videos are getting super pro as well.... Worth mentioning that if you use soothe 2 in 'mid side mode' instead of left/right for vocal carving, you could have your instruments 'wrap around the vocal' better. Just adjust the balance to be 20-30% side the rest mainly mid where your vocal sits 🧡🧡
@deceptionfighters
@deceptionfighters Жыл бұрын
This is amazing.....It does sound like the instruments are wrapped around! THANK YOU BOTH
@souravsaikia2995
@souravsaikia2995 Жыл бұрын
Hey @tamashalo and @deceptionfighters , you guys use logic ? Or you guys used this trick in another daw?
@tamashalo
@tamashalo Жыл бұрын
@@souravsaikia2995 I use Cubase 12 but you can use it with any DAW
@deceptionfighters
@deceptionfighters Жыл бұрын
@@souravsaikia2995 FL Studio here 😎😎
@JoelFreck
@JoelFreck Жыл бұрын
Gotta try this haha
@hvnkai
@hvnkai 6 ай бұрын
The way that ad slid in after saying this isn’t a Soothe ad was smooth lol. Also I don’t know how well Surfer EQ works with vocals but it’s literally built for this producing trick when trying to get instruments to pop in a mix.
@ryanladd6667
@ryanladd6667 Жыл бұрын
Love this trick! Would you mind explaining the reason for creating a vocal bus with no output and why you wouldn’t just sidechain to the vocal track directly?
@Jimburai
@Jimburai Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing too! But I came to the conclusion that this duplicate has all the regular processing without the effects (delay, reverb, ect), so it would be helpful in carving out the track only when actual words are spoken for intelligibility and then immediately going back to normal. If you side chained to the vocal bus directly, I feel like you would end up needlessly killing your instruments by messing up the EQ when the space isn't needed or adding a pulsing effect where this effect is being activated with the delay. That's the only answer that makes sense to me, but I do find it a bit weird that he doesn't directly explain why.
@jnstn_io
@jnstn_io Жыл бұрын
My guess is that creating the bus is more relevant when processing layered vocals, so he's just showing a 'best practice', even if a bus isn't required for a solo vocal.
@jdrukman
@jdrukman Жыл бұрын
He wanted to access the vocals after all the insert plugins are applied. In logic at least if you just use the track as the sidechain, it’s tapped before all the inserts.
@ssmbl
@ssmbl Жыл бұрын
can anyone explain how to do this in ableton, please?
@DEANCROSS615
@DEANCROSS615 Жыл бұрын
@@jdrukmanThis is incorrect.
@jamesmcrayjohnsoniii2889
@jamesmcrayjohnsoniii2889 10 ай бұрын
This is a powerful, elegant ducking technique. And so easy. Cleaned up one of my mixes in 5 minutes.
@hporemixhub
@hporemixhub Жыл бұрын
Your content is one of the best and precise. No long videos just to the point content that is easy to understand thanks for helping out the community ❤
@SouvikSinhaOfficial
@SouvikSinhaOfficial 8 ай бұрын
Ufff!!! It's a masterpiece!!! Chokh bondho kore just visual korchhilam gaan ta!!! E gaaner bhobiswate jeno sob bangalir kachhe pouchhoi ei prarthona kori!!! Khub khub bhalo hoyechhe dada!!!! ❤
@bostin3535
@bostin3535 Жыл бұрын
nice! I also like to use soothe to sidechain any reverb/delay i have on the vocal, really convenient way of carving out space for the vox especially in a wet mix.
@brenmac
@brenmac Жыл бұрын
soothe 2 seems soooooo worth it. I'll be investing eventually
@prowarren517
@prowarren517 Жыл бұрын
Seriously thank you so much for these guides, tremendously helpful and right to the point
@losttribez186
@losttribez186 2 ай бұрын
You just blew my mind
@PrincipalAudio
@PrincipalAudio Жыл бұрын
Hard ratios are key to making this work. In Rock music with heavy guitars, I tend to duck the high mids the most, but with a very high ratio so it pretty much dips -1.5dB with every part of the vocal rather than just the loudest parts. I like how you do this in Soothe quite hard then limit to 2-3dB reduction via the main knob. Same kinda effect but much more precise than dynamic EQ or multiband comp. I might have to get it!
@jclinton1892
@jclinton1892 Ай бұрын
I've been producing for 20 years. That was the next level.
@andrijucken844
@andrijucken844 Жыл бұрын
You can do the exact same thing with "Trackspacer" just by adding a Sidechain Input from the Vocal to the Instrumental Group. No "Ghost Group" needed. But Soothe is such a crazy Plugin.
@macsiggi
@macsiggi 11 ай бұрын
and trackspacer is way cheaper + actually goes on sale from time to time
@alananthony7762
@alananthony7762 11 ай бұрын
I just use the stock sidechain plugin on Ableton, it's totally underrated for how good it is, especially if you layer it well ;)
@milomaurermusic
@milomaurermusic 11 ай бұрын
How do you mean by this? Would the Soothe2 plugin go onto the VOX BUS and receive sidechain from INST BUS? Explain it out for me please
@d-boyzeighteenhundred
@d-boyzeighteenhundred 10 ай бұрын
@@milomaurermusic Curious as well
@trond-oien
@trond-oien 10 ай бұрын
Soothe2 goes on the Instrumental bus and receive sidechain from the vox "ghost" bus thus carving out space for the vocal. The point of the ghost vocal bus as I understand it is that you'll want to include the full spectrum of the processed vocal in the sidechain signal for a more precise result. Great trick. @@milomaurermusic​
@OneBiteBeats
@OneBiteBeats Жыл бұрын
this is prob one of the smartest and useful tricks for fitting a vocal in the mix i ever seen
@NateVanDeusen
@NateVanDeusen Жыл бұрын
why do you even create a send for the lead vocal at @1:29? Why not just add soothe2 onto your instrumental bus and sidechain it right to to the lead vocal audio channel "vox"?
@Mopsie
@Mopsie Жыл бұрын
Right, was wondering this too. Seems convoluted. But maybe I’m missing something?
@NateVanDeusen
@NateVanDeusen Жыл бұрын
@@Mopsie right? curious if you have a specific reason for this, or if its just how you have always done it @big z ?
@jochembroersen
@jochembroersen 9 ай бұрын
More control...you can control how much volume you sent in and automate this if "needed" and you could make choices on which return tracks you'll include in the signal. For instance, you might not want a room, that you also use for the instruments to be included in the side chain.
@Patonwave
@Patonwave Жыл бұрын
okay this one just blew my mind, its a dope tip
@robertsteinberger
@robertsteinberger Жыл бұрын
Trackspacer.
@thehiddenchannel636
@thehiddenchannel636 Жыл бұрын
Haha
@djthope9710
@djthope9710 Жыл бұрын
I guess this method gives better results than trackspacer
@maruserumangaka
@maruserumangaka Жыл бұрын
@@djthope9710ofc. Because you can control the bandwidth and other parameters 🤓 🔥
@robertsteinberger
@robertsteinberger Жыл бұрын
@@djthope9710 why though?
@djthope9710
@djthope9710 Жыл бұрын
@@robertsteinberger cause its cutting/filling precise frequencies instead of a band, But I’d still stick with trackspacer, as it kinda literally feels like creating space and have some breathing room according to my need. And then fill it. (Resonances can however be controlled later by Soothe, creating a glued feeling) until and unless there is a specific scenario where even minute differences matter(maybe bass or lower mids) then prolly I’ll use his method.
@infuschia2229
@infuschia2229 10 ай бұрын
the delta actually sounds sick, sounds like a very smooth vocoder, gotta try that
@LexAladar
@LexAladar Жыл бұрын
This one is def a bit advanced but the result sounds amazing. I think I figured out how to do this a bit using Izotope plugins that let you unmask a track in the same manner. The plugin is chained throughout, so they can speak to each other in the same manner. Not familiar with the side chain process or what it does too well though, but I think I just gotta watch the video a few more times.
@evymoon3263
@evymoon3263 Жыл бұрын
Yes!!!! Thanks😋
@osmark86
@osmark86 Жыл бұрын
I do this with trackspacer for the same effect. Just really nice to have a tool in one's arsenal that can sidechain EQ duck one channel from another. Absolutely essential imo. Btw you don't have to do the send bit in Ableton, if you're in that DAW, since you have an option of sending sidechains pre or post fx.
@RemmyMusic1
@RemmyMusic1 Жыл бұрын
literally 😂
@ScottThePisces
@ScottThePisces Жыл бұрын
you don't need to do the send bit in Logic either idk why he did that lol
@tobiaslofi
@tobiaslofi Жыл бұрын
@@ScottThePisces he probably learned to do that in ProTools years ago and transitioned this "bad habit" to Logic? I guess?
@AutPen38
@AutPen38 Жыл бұрын
I think he did it in this convoluted way because his vocal bus also contains backing vocals. He only wanted the lead vocals to be sent to Soothe's sidechain input, so he sent the lead vox to a separate channel first. You could have much simpler routing if the busses in your mixing template are set up differently.
@BALTAOFC
@BALTAOFC Жыл бұрын
true 100
@dburnmusic
@dburnmusic Жыл бұрын
Gonna try this, the man!
@RaphyJmusic
@RaphyJmusic Жыл бұрын
I believe that if you use Soothe for this, it would result in only the problematic resonant frequencies of the vocal being cut into the instrumental. Rather than the full vocal. Whereas something like trackspacer would make a space for the full vocal. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? Maybe it was the goal to only cut the resonances?
@steppabanton9753
@steppabanton9753 Жыл бұрын
Why would you want to "believe" anything when mixing?
@payetadisquette492
@payetadisquette492 Жыл бұрын
what you said have sense unfortunely...
@AckzellMusic
@AckzellMusic Жыл бұрын
This is what I was thinking. I've tried this out in 2 projects myself this morning, and I am hearing 'improvements' in the overall sound of the vocals with the instrumental. It genuinely feels like it is tricking me into liking the result more. But my brain is saying that I use this plugin to cut frequencies I don't want in something. Aren't I just highlighting the unpleasant vocal frequencies by making room for them on the instrument bus? It doesn't 'sound' like that's what it is doing, but how could it be doing anything else? I'm gonna keep it one of the projects I visit often atm for the next couple days and then turn it off and see if I hear an 'improvement' again. Then I'll know my brain/ears are genuinely playing tricks or not as they so often do!
@steppabanton9753
@steppabanton9753 Жыл бұрын
@@AckzellMusic it's in sidechain mode. It doesn't "care" about any of what you're talking about. It's simply ducking the frequencies it's receiving from the sidechain (vocal) out of the instrumental. Stop over thinking guys.
@AckzellMusic
@AckzellMusic Жыл бұрын
@@steppabanton9753 With plenty of experimentation done today myself I am agreeing with you that this is not something to worry about in the end. I already had other methods of doing something similar, so I wanted to be sure. I've settled on Soothe 2 for this as it really does seem to make the music 'wrap around' the vocals in a pleasant way! I overthink everything, cheers for your input :)
@niklasneumannmusic
@niklasneumannmusic 8 ай бұрын
it sounds really professional, i think big producers use the same effect
@martinthe3rd664
@martinthe3rd664 Жыл бұрын
I've been doing this for years but this is the best explained video of it I've ever seen. I also use TrackSpacer for this instead of Soothe. Soothe only lowers resonant parts of the audio (as heard in your example) whereas TrackSpacer doesn't make that distinction. Any reason why you'd want only the resonant frequencies to duck? Also, I'm always surprised as how hard I can push the trackspacer in this sidechain mode, if I mute the vocals the instrumental sound very wobbly and strange but with the vocals on it's perfectly natural :) One just needs to remember to disable this stuff when bouncing out instrumentals...
@soundsliketree
@soundsliketree Жыл бұрын
I’m also curious about this.
@casualintrovert207
@casualintrovert207 Жыл бұрын
It's more precise this way, I normally use trackspacer too but you can't have it on too strongly or else it will just start to really do some wide EQ carving of your instrumental. With Soothe you can mess with the sharpness and selectivity knobs to really fine tune exactly how much it's cutting out. You can make it carve out the sharper resonances only, or if you turn both knobs lower you can have it do a wider carve like trackspacer would do. With soothe you can dial it as precise carving as you want before you start to hear artifacts which is nice. Every day I find more uses for that plugin. And it has oversampling which can help reduce aliasing distortion on the high end if you start to carve out a lot there.
@ScottThePisces
@ScottThePisces Жыл бұрын
Well actually soothe can do exactly what trackspacer does if you reduce the sharpness
@BrandonShere
@BrandonShere Жыл бұрын
Okay but this track sounds AWESOME??
@pjbosman4191
@pjbosman4191 Жыл бұрын
Top notch content, as always. I always learn so much from you. Thanks Big Z! Much love from South Africa! 🎧
@hosannie
@hosannie Жыл бұрын
This is side chaining your vocals to your instrumentals!!
@CarloDanger
@CarloDanger Жыл бұрын
I like doing this with just vocals sc the chords and leads. Don’t want my bass getting any sidechain compression from the vocal.
@labavemusihg
@labavemusihg Жыл бұрын
Love the way you slid that ad in there. Iconic.
@TorchArts
@TorchArts Жыл бұрын
i knew what this was going to be but actually that soothe Delta Vocoder sound is really sick i'm definitely going to try that as a vocal effect with different backing sounds LOL
@aper6014
@aper6014 Жыл бұрын
i was gonna say lol i didn’t realize the delta would sound so cool i’ve never seen anyone use soothe like a voocoder but that’s def something i wanna try now 😅
@codybeachchair
@codybeachchair Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was crazy
@MikeBurnsArrangedAccidents
@MikeBurnsArrangedAccidents Жыл бұрын
I finally have a good use for Soothe! Thing never improved any individual track I put it on and only slightly improved my masters, but THIS, I've gotta try. Thanks!
@Username_Invalid
@Username_Invalid Жыл бұрын
Love your videos but not sure about this one especially with Rock or Pop. We should mix to make things sound like they belong together and not necessarily for separation. To me the before sounded more glued together. Sometimes dirty and clashing sounds better than separated. Love your content again and your course line was sleek as hell lol
@BigZMusic
@BigZMusic Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching my vids man 👍🏼
@elreyabeja4539
@elreyabeja4539 Жыл бұрын
I get ya. The modern desire to hear the vocals so far forward from the mix is a little irritating to me. I do like the vocals tucked in and enveloped by the track more than sitting right out on top. However, a lot of my clients want their vocals sooo far forward so that's what I give them.
@Username_Invalid
@Username_Invalid Жыл бұрын
@@BigZMusicThanks for the content and ideas 👍
@paulhelsby
@paulhelsby Жыл бұрын
@@elreyabeja4539 agreed, stands out like a sure thumb, but its hidden in the poor sound quality of what the majority people use to listen to music on like their cell phones and Amazon Alecia etc, even their flat screen huge tv. when was the last time you went to someones house and they played some music on a quality home system?? for me it was the 90s...
@paulhelsby
@paulhelsby Жыл бұрын
and these kind of techniques are needed on such tiny poor quality music systems (if you can even call them that)
@JackieStacyBakerMusic
@JackieStacyBakerMusic Жыл бұрын
This was a huge help to me. Thank you! And...I went out and bought Soothe2 immediately. LOL
@heleaven_music
@heleaven_music Жыл бұрын
How do you do this is FL Studio? I can't sidechain the plugin (soothe 2) to the vocals any help would mean a lot, thanks!
@OSE7EN7
@OSE7EN7 6 ай бұрын
Did you find out? I'm curious about this, would love to hear an answer!
@heleaven_music
@heleaven_music 6 ай бұрын
@@OSE7EN7 No, I didn't. I ran out of trail version before I could figure anything else lol
@OSE7EN7
@OSE7EN7 6 ай бұрын
@@heleaven_music Ayyy, i see. Ty for answering though dude!
@heleaven_music
@heleaven_music 6 ай бұрын
@@OSE7EN7 no problem! please let me know if you figure it out, if possible.
@OSE7EN7
@OSE7EN7 6 ай бұрын
@@heleaven_music Sure thing!
@SaveManWoman
@SaveManWoman 7 ай бұрын
I quit making music the hard way. Suno is a life saver. Learn prompting now!
@prowler2783
@prowler2783 Жыл бұрын
Trackspacer is a $60 plug-in that is specifically made to do this
@tawixdu64
@tawixdu64 Жыл бұрын
Not that precise but basically yes
@BigZMusic
@BigZMusic Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s not nearly as precise
@B2svn465
@B2svn465 Жыл бұрын
​@@BigZMusicgood for instruments not so much for vocals
@joeclarmusic
@joeclarmusic Жыл бұрын
One would argue that using a resonance suppressor (soothe) on all the instruments is too many notches.
@JonKunis
@JonKunis Жыл бұрын
It’s almost always on sale for $25-30.
@Beatsbysummer9
@Beatsbysummer9 9 ай бұрын
You’re editing has gotten allot better
@duguy182
@duguy182 Жыл бұрын
Just like trackspacer lol
@traezaX1
@traezaX1 Жыл бұрын
Just thought about that
@pixluxxbuiltthewave
@pixluxxbuiltthewave 5 ай бұрын
I actually needed this
@prodby430
@prodby430 Жыл бұрын
If you ask me trackspacer is an better solution but both ways will work. For me personally trackspacer sounds better on such stuff.
@Reggi_Sample
@Reggi_Sample Жыл бұрын
Poormans neutron unmask
@prettyOP
@prettyOP Жыл бұрын
Great technique, explained well and executed concisely! :)
@musicbydenchik
@musicbydenchik 3 ай бұрын
how to do on fl?
@KeebKwmMusic
@KeebKwmMusic 2 ай бұрын
1.) Send all instruments to one bus 2.) put soothe 2 or a dynamic eq on that bus 3.) send your vocals into a single vocal bus 4.) side chain instrument to vocal bus Basically you want the frequencies of the instrumental to duck when your vocals kick in. Helps the vocals cut through the mix for a clean and crisp sound and keeps the power of the mix
@jastinartis
@jastinartis Жыл бұрын
🤯 wow! Impressive. And idk Soothe. But I want to know. Thank you for sharing this!
@meungawa
@meungawa Жыл бұрын
Dude, you have to stop the upspeak. It's unbearable. DON'T trail your voice upward at the end of each sentence like you're asking a question. There are great videos on KZbin on how to stop upspeak. Your videos will be much better received and you'll sound like an adult versus a child's inflection asking for permission with your voice trailing upward like you're asking a question instead of confidently speaking a statement as all good speakers do. You can do it and you'll never go back once you realize this. Thanks for the good video.
@jackkerry4137
@jackkerry4137 9 ай бұрын
@meungawa you should try therapy
@levimalachiofficial
@levimalachiofficial Жыл бұрын
This is so sick bro! Amazing tips
@ForMeOnlyk
@ForMeOnlyk 11 ай бұрын
I needed this haha my mixes are so bad ty brother
@Processor609
@Processor609 Жыл бұрын
>My trick has always been FL Studio's "Multiband compression" use a multiband compressor for the beat and also the vocals individually. One on each track. Then one in the master track but you really have to fine tune and choose lows, mids and highs, and the compression rate for them individually.
@amirv1422
@amirv1422 4 ай бұрын
fl is so powerful. it can do everything with the stock plugins if you know how to
@FADY-MAALOUF
@FADY-MAALOUF 7 ай бұрын
wow ! this is pure magic, thxxxxx
@neonlove1289
@neonlove1289 Жыл бұрын
That was so to the point with no fluff, im lucky i subscribed at the start of the video cuz i wouldve smashed that f***ing button
@daviddelpinoherrera2672
@daviddelpinoherrera2672 2 ай бұрын
I’m still not sure if this is what I was looking for, but I need to try this.
@charliekey2979
@charliekey2979 4 ай бұрын
That's a cleaver trick! I have to try it. Thank you for sharing.
@marinowong
@marinowong 2 ай бұрын
This was awesome, thank you so much Big Z!
@10commvndments
@10commvndments 10 ай бұрын
Shesssh! This plugin is a game changer. I’m used to just side chaining with a multi-band comp.
@losttribez186
@losttribez186 2 ай бұрын
ive watched this 10 times and i think my routing isnt correct for it ...this is gold but i need more step by step
@kashbandi7461
@kashbandi7461 8 ай бұрын
Wow I just came across this video and I’m at a loss for words lmao. I’ve been doing this since 2013/2014. Thanks for confirming that what I was doing was ahead of it’s time and also showing me that if I would’ve made videos of my ideas when it came to mixing I would’ve blown up. Wow.
@DumboSanchez
@DumboSanchez 9 ай бұрын
Trackspacer does exactly this and makes it a piece of cake to dial in the depth
@NormanTiner
@NormanTiner Жыл бұрын
I NEVER would have thought to use sooth2 for this. I'm really impressed. Thank you
@AndySalinger33
@AndySalinger33 4 ай бұрын
Bloody hell! Game changer. Thanks so much!
@ProdBy2wav
@ProdBy2wav Жыл бұрын
“This isn’t an ad but if I were to do an ad” bro 😂
@TheLockdawg
@TheLockdawg 11 ай бұрын
man its crazy when you find videos like this added this to my new song I'm working on, deff sounds better, you are a saint.
@billwarner213
@billwarner213 Жыл бұрын
NICE!! Thanks as always for the GREAT info!
@wadecottingham
@wadecottingham Жыл бұрын
really enjoying your mixing academy course!!!
@anubhavverma9528
@anubhavverma9528 Жыл бұрын
0:17 [BEFORE] 3:20 [AFTER]
@ashleydines144
@ashleydines144 Жыл бұрын
Basically dynamic eq with sidechain. You can use this trick on bass drum and bass guitar too.
@zenithapollostar487
@zenithapollostar487 7 ай бұрын
Quite a difference from start to finish. Well done😊
@darkvilleproductions6485
@darkvilleproductions6485 10 ай бұрын
Bro, I just watched this video and when I saw what you did, my mind went crazy! Thank you so much for this tip. I’ll be taking a peep at your course my dude. Again, thank you!
@sabda7799
@sabda7799 14 сағат бұрын
the best ad is when you say its not an ad
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