10 Items Not To Bring Bikepacking

Some cycling accessories or products are simply not made for bikepacking. While these items may be great for day rides, oftentimes they are not a sensible options for bikepacking trips. So in this video Neil shares 10 items that we don't recommend using for bikepacking and the reason behind it.
Outline:
Intro - 0:00
Support and Subscribe - 0:28
Multi-Tools - 1:14
Co2 Canisters - 1:56
Tan Sidewall Tires (lightweight tires) - 2:29
Super Knobby Tires - 3:18
Grav Grav Race Shoes - 3:47
Cotton T-shirt - 4:16
Backpack - 5:06
Trail Database Apps - 5:52
Single-use packaging - 6:28
Unfamiliar Items - 6:56
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[@reserva120]

Bike packing sounds a lot like Bicycle Touring that's been around a 100 years or so.. You know Like Bicycle Touring where you travel while carrying either Heavy or light loads to place to place. Bicycle touring an the kits that go with it have been around in full force for Decades, so Just calling Bicycle touring "BikePacking" would just be a study case in utter fucking stupidity an Millennialism Vanity an sloth... Really what a Fucking waste of time, Bike Packing is, that borders on racism an Sexism... so Fucking stupid , But at least its intellectually dishonest an a failure of the Human soul . Try Bicycle Touring , you'll be a better person..

[@apm9507]

It might be shocking but I have met many cyclists who skimp on water, food, first aid kit, and bike repair kit. Recently a mountain bike rider died of dehydration. Bring about two gallons of additional water in your paniers. In June 2022 I did 100 km of the gravel Ashton to Tetonia to Ashton Rail to Trail in Idaho. There are only water and food points in Ashton and Tetonia. I emptied both gallon jugs of water, even with a 3 liter CamelBak full of water and two large water bottles with electrolyte syrup mix. Don't pack to win as much to pack to get back.

[@That.Guy.]

Always bring extra ammunition and a sidearm

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Similar advice is shared within the motorcycle long distance touring crowd. Number 11 should be... no major maintenance immediately prior to a long trip. Do maintenance well ahead of a trip and put some local miles on the bike to make sure the work is up to snuff.

[@abhinavsixfaces]

1000000% agree.

[@2secondslater]

I'm a mechanic and it is infuriating when a customer books their vehicle in for major work... the day before they are going to drive across Australia

[@michiganstate149]

Yeah. I've got a teammate who regularly installs new parts, mostly pads and tires, just before a race. Like without a ride between the new parts and the race. Nothing like dealing with a potential bad tubeless setup, rubbing disc or with a new chain or shift cable, bedding that in. I like to get a solid 5 rides or so on new stuff before events to let it all settle in. Have caught a few of my oopsies that way and fixed without further issues.

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

@@michiganstate149 5 rides sounds brilliant to me for getting things settled... and adjusted if needed

[@Vixen1525]

In that case: Number 12: Don't have a KTM

[@duncanmacneil1952]

I don't wear a backpack. But I do squish down an ultralight backpack in with my gear. Why? Luxury items!! Sometimes there's a store on the last section before camp. Pull out the backback and fill it up with heavy beers, bacon & eggs, and all that other completely impractical stuff. Not suitable for a long ride, but manageable for the last 10-20km or so. It's the best. On hot summer days, I'll even pick up a bag of ice for my luxury backback. Tip half out, keep half in the plastic bag. Feels cool against my back, and definitely keeps beer icy cold all the way into the night. Also, I'm a bit weird but I need a very stiff shoe, or I give my big toe bursitis. Not sure why. I just do.

[@ImJeffRoe]

What backpack do you use?

[@duncanmacneil1952]

@@ImJeffRoe it's a drawstring crumpler bag, which doesn't seem to be made any more. But if you google Nike Drawstring Bag you'll get the idea. Light weight and small scrunch size over comfort.

[@mmmccc777]

The Apidura Packable Backpack is a 13 liter super lightweight backapck that packs really small & you can fill with food, beer on last stop before you pitch for the night. Use it ask the time and takes up no space.

[@Truesilverful]

Yes! This is what I missed in my trip (backpack). It was so often that you want to buy stuff for diner and breakfast but there is just no space. Thanks.

[@KermitOfWar]

One thing I never fail to pack on my backpack is sun screen, a set of hex keys, a caffeine boost, & my army knife. On my mtb's fork, I ziptied spare tubes of 27 & 29, just in case I bump into someone with a flat. Cyclists got to look out for other cyclists out on the road.

[@tonyb9735]

In my experience you can use a 27.5 tube for 26 and 29. It might not be ideal but it works.

[@dickskinthin9192]

If you stop eating seed oils you'll no longer need sunscreen.

[@jonog5632]

A spear for other people... brother you the man

[@alg3n320]

@@tonyb9735 at work we have tubes that are advertised to fit 26; 27,5 and 29!

[@lichinich]

теперь я не буду брать трубку, потому что она есть у других велосипедистов, спасибо

[@kitwest61]

My humble advice: Test your kit before your trip If it doesn't 'work' don't take it After each trip you do (test trip or the real deal), make 3 piles of everything. Pile 1. Stuff you used regularly- keep it. Pile 2. Stuff you never used - don't keep it. Unless it's first aid or breakdown stuff - keep that. Pile 3. Stuff you rarely used - if it didn't convey an advantage - don't keep it. I try to make a note of 'if only I had' things. When I get back, I get them and test them. I like to travel light. Both physically and mentally. Above all enjoy yourself!

[@jochenkraus7016]

My advice: If possible, do a short trip (e.g. long weekend) before the "real" one to get to know your kit and to get a first impression what's working.

[@cristibaluta]

This is good advice, just did 2 short trips few months before the real one, with gear for the real one even if i don't needed it now, and i'm not really prepared, need more updates and changes to my bike

[@goatsplitter]

Best advice. Load up and go for a few hour ride. Test runs are so helpful. Even better, do a few hours out, set up camp have a picnic with the sweetheart, pack to and go home. Fun date and a nice test

[@bshean72]

I bring a folding Swedish reflector oven. Weight is negligible on a bike and fresh cinnamon buns and cornbread is a real morale booster

[@BIKEPACKINGcom]

Dang, thats a good idea. I can imagine making cookies at camp.

[@jantown]

I bet you have a lot of friends who like to go bikepacking with you.

[@craigscott3133]

One piece of wisdom I picked up from this: if you take a big bag, you’ll fill it, probably with a lot of “just-in-case” choices. Start smaller, make good choices.

[@trevorhill1577]

In UK, where rain and wind seem the norm, a backpack keeps your back warmer, permits quicker access to some items, reduces weight when hike-a-biking and lifting bike over stiles. When at a campsite, it offers a way of carrying food supplies etc back to the tent, and if the bike has to be left, a facility to carry out kit. It's also protected me in wipe outs. The only disad I can think of is that it rubs off the DWR from the waterproof. As mentioned, it's essential to keep its weight down. Must confess, I came into bikepacking via backpacking and can't let the habit go.

[@tomrodgers6629]

Backpacks rock! You forgot they make a good pillow too.

[@yokaiofwater]

Never knock a backpack. They're incredibly handy and provide easier access to things you may need over panniers.

[@70h4nn35]

I’m thinking of using a Salomon Agile 12 running vest for bikepacking, any thoughts?

[@trevorhill1577]

@@70h4nn35 Lovely piece of kit. Designed for upright trail runner so gravel biker might find it obtrusive. Should be OK for the sit up and beg mountain biker.

[@70h4nn35]

@@trevorhill1577 kind of my thoughts also. Got my self an aggressive hardtail and finding bags with small triangle and dropper post is a bit hard. I can get the vest for free so seems like a good middle ground. Thanks :)

[@ericcarr9267]

Mylar emergency blanket. Works to keep heat off in summer and can stuff a jacket when cold. Practically weighs nothing.

[@teddgram]

Using the phone to navigate, even with the phone screen off, meant I had a dead battery after 7-8 hours. Using a cycling computer to navigate and leaving the phone to do, well phone things, and listen to music via headphones, turned that into the phone being at 50% battery at the end of the day. That significantly reduced the need for a giant battery pack. I could stretch that out even further by putting the phone into airplane mode, and/or bringing a small MP3 player along.

[@jahnkeuxo9267]

Some models of ipod classics can fit a 3000mAh aftermarket battery that plays for days. You'd also have to swap out the HDD for an SD reader, which cuts a little weight as well.

[@JohnDouqh]

Battery weighs same as computer or MP3 player, phone is smarter

[@tmayberry7559]

Or an old cellphone used as a MP3 player and saving the main cellphone for guess what phone calls

[@simonh6371]

I have been using the same compass for navigation for 32 years now and the battery still hasn't gone on it, despite it indicating direction 24/7 for all those years.

[@antred11]

Some outdoor phones have batteries with capacities in excess of 10000 mAh. Mine (Gigaset Gx290) has 6200 mAh, which, coupled with a weak but economical CPU, lasts up to half a week without needing a new charge.

[@frazergoodwin4945]

I wouldn't take a kit to look after my drive train on a day ride, but I most definitely do when bikepacking. A small can of WD40, a little bottle of degreaser, micro-fiber cloth, a brush, and a small bottle of lube means at the start of every day you can clean your chain and jockey wheels (at least) and make the drive train as functional as possible. And it all fits in a small bag...

[@willemjohannes9007]

Valve adapters! They take up no space, weigh nothing, and work a treat when the only available foot pump works exclusively for Schraeder valves (which I typically encounter at an Air Bnb or Warm Showers).

[@saskhiker3935]

I concur!!

[@sempi8159]

Or get a lezyne mini floor pump…

[@bradgreen6651]

And valve extenders

[@watertankhikes]

Or just switch to Schrader valves altogether. A whole list of problems solved with one simple action.

[@sempi8159]

@@watertankhikes i never understood why people use anything else on touring bikes….

[@atstancioff]

I love my biking jersey for bikepacking. Zip open for cooling off, lightweight, dry quickly and pockets in back. One for phone/ camera/navigator and the other for bear spray if needed.

[@nolograps]

I like my merino trikot, it has a zipper and keeps you warm and also cool by not letting you sweat to much. And - as it was said - doesn't stink after 5 days

[@TrzCinA122]

trueeeee Wool t-shirt sounds CoOl but jersey is functional

[@martinos9334]

sports jerseys and backpack all the way, cant convince me otherwise.

[@larrym2434]

Also, a sweaty polypro shirt will stink at least as much as a cotton tshirt.

[@dmc1449]

I use the middle pocket for rocks, to threaten those nasty sheep or junkyard dogs.

[@ihankim9851]

I think backpacks are useful if you follow the advice in the video and resist temptation to load them up. I use for extra layers/delayering mid-ride, first-second day’s food (or super-light but bulky things like freeze-dried meals/chips) and sleeping bags/tents (especially if damp in the morning). Mid-trip, packing is less organized for me, so having ‘surplus space’ is helpful for when you just want to shove stuff into bags and go without playing too much Tetris with your gear.

[@buckroger6456]

I think there fine for carrying water as well for drinking while you ride but no need to load it all the way up.

[@MarkPybus]

Agree plus some advice I've heard is that when stuffed with cushy items like clothing, they offer an extra layer of protection if you fall off. I always carry one simply because my camera clips to the front straps for ease of access.

[@Vanadium]

The only reason I take a backpack with me on my daily rides is that I cant sore my water on the frame. Only a small 690ml bottle and that is not enough for a climb on my local hill. It is really a shame we only have the same bottle format for decades. something needs to be done..

[@maxwellcunningham8908]

Even though backpacks are quite uncomfortable I always find myself carrying 3L of water and stuffing them full of stuff. There just isn't much space elsewhere sometimes

[@JPBVideo]

Compressible daypacks are great. REI has a few. Just keep the contents light and fold it up when you no longer need it.

[@magmastered]

A pro for backpack while bikepacking: You can leave your bike for a quick shopping trip and have all your valuables and essentials with you.

[@Nicky_Pin_It]

Buy a plastic jar of peanut butter(or other substance of your choice) and reuse the jar as a food storage container. I make an oatmeal or a rice dish and eat it right out of the jar, works real slick and can reused multiple times.

[@the_Dogpacker]

Works great for small items like a repair kit, first aid items and alike, too and fits in a bottle rack.

[@crevasse5396]

I have so many useful size plastic containers saved up for unknown future uses. Costs nothing to save them and they can always be recycled later.

[@nprlisner]

On my last trip, i mounted a screw top protein powder jar on the fork. Perfect size to fit all kinds of stuff.

[@lazurm]

There are multitools that overcome the objections raised for them in this video. I own many of them and they work very well. The nice thing is that they are all in one, compact place for easy reach and storage. So, when purchasing a multitool, make sure the allen tools are long enough, that the chain tool can be easily manipulated and that it has the parts needed for the most likely on the road repairs. I have one that even includes a rotor bender.

[@cerirey]

Any suggestions?

[@lazurm]

@@cerirey Park Tool MTB-3.2 Rescue Tool

[@angrybobdylan]

Thank you for talking about single use packaging and consulting the bulk section. You can bring your own bags or re-use the bags they provide in the bulk section to reduce waste even further. Bread bags work great for bulk shopping and general food storage. They're quite durable and also super long so you can tie off the end instead of using a twist tie. You can also turn them inside out and wash them when they get gross, they can last for years. I bring a few empty ones on bike trips as well as store snacks and meals in them.

[@OutdoorGoyo]

Using breast feeding bags works great to make your own gels or chia pudding

[@VictorElGreco]

I’d say, don’t pack things that are readily available along the way. For only one example, carrying energy drinks by the gallon makes no sense if you have all sorts of mini markets on your path.

[@BotanyDegreePilkerton]

erm.... you do know "energy" drinks are bad for you right?

[@KermitOfWar]

@@BotanyDegreePilkerton Energy drinks aren't bad for you, like most consumable products, if consumed in moderation.

[@martinos9334]

And the mini market has them cold

[@davidcummings5826]

+1 on #10. Bikepacking (or any packing) is not the time to discover that your ultra-light hammock system leaves your back non-functional. I love mine, but tested it for comfort, rain-proofing, and warmth in situations where I had alternatives if needed before taking it packing.

[@tmb1065]

Hammocks are cool is you can get them set perfectly. After 10 hours in the saddle, when you are tired, its getting dark, and your buds are cooking and drinking beers, setting up a hammock sucks--esp if it is raining. Also I have found that in colder weather, after the top and bottom quilts, rainfly, cords, etc--a hammock is just heavier and bulkier than a nice tent setup with a bad and pad.

[@davidcummings5826]

@@tmb1065 I find that setting a tent up in the rain is a major pain - then your tent is on wet ground - you’re potentially sleeping on wet ground. Yes, hammocks can be technical to set up, but you should be practiced with whatever your setup is anyway. And the first two times I set it up was in the rain. It probably took me longer, but my sleeping gear was completely dry both times. Unlike my tenting compatriots… But if you like yours better, then you already have the best setup for you. That’s what’s most important when you’re out in the field. 😉

[@tmb1065]

@@davidcummings5826 Fair enough...setting up anything in the rain is no fun. And maybe I just suck at setting up a hammock!

[@davidcummings5826]

@@tmb1065 maybe i just suck at setting up a tent! 🤣

[@lazurm]

I've found CO2 canisters an excellent addition to my bike bag. One needs to know the rules of their use when filling sealant laden tubeless bicycle tires but, when riding in cold or raining weather, it's nice to not have to spend all that extra time pumping up one's tires. And, they're great even when the weather is perfect. Just make sure to recycle the empties and carry a pump also.

[@atstancioff]

Sometimes absolutely necessary when trying to re-seat a Tubeless tire.

[@MrClimberdave]

Tanwall tires are exactly the same as tires with black sidewalls, just with a different color casing (or lack of color). Skinwall tires have the casing exposed and are lighter, more supple, yada, yada. The two are very different tires. Ex - Maxxis Icon tanwall tires are cosmetic. The Teravall shown in the video is the "Light and Supple" skinwall version of that tire; they removed the extra sidewall casing.

[@rollinrat4850]

Light and supple, (Often they're skinwall) tires have a thinner, high thread count (often handmade) casing. That's what makes them supple and lighter. I think this is what he's referring to. Rene Herse/ Compass tires are really nice, the ride is incredible and fast. Lots of tires with cotton tubular casings are fantastic. You might know just from the price. They are quite pricey. They get real close to the performance of tubulars as well. But I'd never bring them on a back country tour for several days or longer. The best and most reliable tubeless tires are often a bit heavier and use an extra layer of rubber on the sidewalls. Lots of weight weenies Ive known ruin rides because of major issues with ultralight gravel race tires. That gets them uninvited next time. Lots of tires claim to be 'tubeless ready' but this is obvious marketing BS. Supple tires are lighter and less durable. That's the compromise to be made for better performance. They're probably not very good tires for bikepacking on extended rides where reliability and survival is a big priority. Never forget, tires are our connection with the ground. Its not a good idea to ever compromise tire quality. Its wise to err on the side of caution and reliability, maybe even if you race do you can simply finish. From my experience wrenching in a shop, Avoid WTB tires in particular. Especially the skinwalls. They seem to have some serious and questionable QC issues. We have more frustrating issues with WTB than any other brand we sell. Sidewalls (especially skinwalls) often feature large holes, won't seal up easily, show inconsistent bead sizing, often hard to bead up. WTBs often mount wobbly with poor quality casings. WTB isn't cheap either. Like lots of bike products, inspection is obviously rare, incompetent or non existent. For the same amount of money or even less we sell much more consistent quality tires from other brands. In the recent high demand and low supply issues in the bike industry, quality control has slipped even further. It's sad, but it's true.

[@amyx231]

I do appreciate the aesthetic of the beige tires. But I wouldn’t trust them as much as black tires, doesn’t the carbon contribute to strength?

[@TheYanchau]

Thanks, I've learned something about tan walls ! One of the thing that I swap between trips and day rides are grips. Trips = Ergon GS2 Day rides = Ergon GA3

[@srflan]

9 & 10.... Excellent. I really like Cass' content on zero packaging. There's always a trade off with packaging, but so many meals and snacks can be completed without secondary packaging. On a recent ride outside Bend, Oregon I was surprised of how many gnu containers, co2 cartridges and clif bar wrappers I saw on trail. Excellent content... thanks

[@marcalvarez4890]

Those Gnu containers must be HUGE. Thats a big animal.

[@rollinrat4850]

I don't think garbage on the trail is caused by the food wrapped in it. Somehow it got there.... Since I starting camping as a child, we always bring a bag and pick up human pig's garbage.

[@wildbikerbill6530]

A lot of people are slobs & think the world is their garbage can.

[@Potz4pizza]

My Teravail Coronado (tan, light and supple, 3.0) has held up forever with no seaps or tears. Notice it's singular however... it would have shredded on the rear for sure. With thought, you can get creative with tire choice. Great video 👍

[@nicholaslafferty3928]

Bike is my primary mode of transportation and I live at the foot of the Adirondacks so I usually have most things on the bike already. I might not bring a tarp, bugnet or sleepingbag for daytrips unless there's a possibility of the wanderlust getting the best of me in unfamiliar places. Otherwise, got a kit of an ultralight hiker plus bike tools and parts for any repair. Didn't carry a backpack in the past but found it helpful to get a few pounds off the bike so that I can carry the thing on hike-a-bike sections. I agree with every point of the video.

[@Caballeroshot]

Just getting into bike packing and this information is so useful. Also had no idea about tan sidewall tires leaking more than regular tires, I'm a sucker for gumwall tires and put them on all my bikes, guess I'll stick to standard tires for the long rides.

[@gregh7387]

Old school rear rack / panniers all the way. As cool as they look, I cannot fit all my stuff in those cool stylish seat bags.

[@BrianRPaterson]

Spot on. I'm of the same way of thinking.

[@maxwellcunningham8908]

Completely disagree. I prefer bikepacking on a mountain bike and do not like how panniers make my bike handle.

[@rollinrat4850]

The first bike packing trip I did was on remote, unmaintained back country trails. Lots of overgrown trails, bushwhacking and navigation where the trail simply disappeared. I used panniers but never again! I would rather use a large backpack and some on the bike bags.

[@maxwellcunningham8908]

@@rollinrat4850 agreed

[@rollinrat4850]

@@maxwellcunningham8908 Its so easy to bring way too much junk along. These days I dig ultra lite 'survivalist' trips. I bring a hand line, big knife, powerbait, a bivy sack, fire starter, H2O filter, rice, dried food and little else besides clothes and tools. I load up on meals the week before and plan on going hungry. I can cover lots more ground this way. It might be fun to trap and roast a feral pig out there some time. They're freakin' nasty pests! They are certainly tasty!

[@rokibuca]

a paper map is a must go you probably never need to use it but it is an excellent backup if anything goes wrong with your electronics

[@accorsistudios]

I have small mesh bags - blue is for rain, red - kitchen and camp, black - tools, tubes. Helps with the sanity factor.

[@dhruv68]

I have been bikepacking the Himalaya for some years now and I find that with the advent of cheap homestays in the smallest of villages along the way means that I don't have to carry a tent and too much dry rations as food. Fresh food is mostly available along the way every 50 to 70 kms. But I do always carry a platypus water filter bottle and a Trangia stove for emergencies. Sleeping bag is a must in the mountains as the blankets in homestays may be unwashed. Pour over coffee paper and strainer for me is a must though I just bought an aeropress. Useful advice on tools and tan sidewall tyres..I always use Schwalbe marathon tour plus tyres, they are almost puncture proof after 40 mm

[@stephencarroll1771]

What a great little site this is, excellent guides and top tips for a "bike pack" novice like me. 10/10

[@BluecollarBackcountry]

A must have for my bikepacking trips is my GSI Commuter Coffee press. Gotta have that coffee plus you can use it for dipping water or as a mug for water with drink mixes with supper at night. ✌

[@lesterburris1]

I used a running hydration vest on my last (1 night) bikepack trip. My crew has also discovered that the best packable dinner is a Jimmy John’s sub - fits beautifully in the frame pack + no prep to eat. Finally, nice melly.

[@s.z.5355]

Thanks so much for this! I am a short person on a XS Croix de Fer and have to use a backpack, there's just no space in my frame for anything but the smallest bag. I would've carried my water on my back and resented the talls, had I not watched this.

[@thomasmuller986]

I have two kind of locks (heavy and secure/light and easy to boltcut). When bikepacking I prefer to hide my bike, on dayrides I lock it up safe nearby or in towns and citys, even for short store visits. When you are two person or more theres always one person to stay with the bikes.

[@fixitfixation5891]

I have a deafening alarm on my rack - peace of mind when my bike needs to be out of sight, even briefly.

[@daveebert7747]

I guess there are exceptions to every “rule”. I have been running the tan side wall Rene Herse Juniper Ridge tire since last year with no issues. I run them tubeless and they don’t lose pressure. Over the past two weeks I’ve done 6 rides, checking the pressure every time and no change.

[@thomasf.9869]

Leatherman! A bikepacking must

[@jimbojet8728]

Great advice re; tan walled tyres. I won’t use them again, that’s for sure. The way sealant and air seeps through is amazing, it really is. I was so surprised. I washed my bike and saw hundreds of little white bubbles on the tan walls only and full circumference of the tyre. It took weeks to seal those and tons and tons of pumping. I have two new tyres which i’m sick about. They’re no use to me now, I’ll be buying black only tyres from now on! Thank you for a great vid.

[@charliebamford2807]

Excellent advice as always! I'll soon be starting Lejog & thought that I'd covered everything. My ride hardly qualifies as bikepacking as I'll be riding an endurance road bike almost 100% on paved roads, but I will be carrying camping gear. I assumed that I'd wear my Shimano RC5 road shoes but Neil's comments made this seem like a very bad idea. My training/day rides include very little walking but there will hopefully be quite a lot on Lejog - I want to stop frequently & wander around! I'm therefore going to switch to some MTB shoes & cleats which I'm sure will make the ride more relaxing. Thanks, Neil!

[@ReneSaarsoo]

Another option is to bring some extra-light shoes that take little room in your bag and still ride with road shoes. That's what I've done. Though it really depends on how often do you want to stop and wonder around. I don't really stop much.

[@CrumbsBrulee]

I'm just relieved you didn't say "harmonicas and a mandolin" cause I'm definitely bringing those to cycle through Mexico. I tend to pack heavy and go slow, my priority is always to enjoy the slow roll =).

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

The little rugged plastic shovel that I strap to my fork only goes bikepacking. On a day ride, I try to make sure I poop before I leave home.

[@tinmachine693]

Nice to have a regular movement

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

@@tinmachine693 yup.

[@mattjns]

One thing that I don’t see mentioned in these type of vids regarding footwear / clipping in…is toe straps! I have a pair of now almost 15 year old Hold Fast toe straps. So I can literally wear my comfiest skate shoes. Currently wearing a pair of Nike Bruin Reacts riding with the toe straps and it’s an awesome comfy combo!

[@bP-yr3po]

I love this site. So well put together.

[@BIKEPACKINGcom]

Thanks, that mean the world!

[@JamiedoesWildBikepacking]

Nice vid, doesn't matter how much stuff I need to carry I never use a back pack. I generally cook real food rather boil in the bag style food which certainly cuts down on packaging. All the best

[@deankrakelphoto]

I agree on the backpack. I wish I could not use mine but for desert or canyon country trips that 2.5 liters of water is needed. Typically, like on a White Rim self supported trip I need to carry a minimum of 5 liters and that's cutting it pretty thin. For my past trips I used my Fat bike because I can carry nearly 3 liters in the frame bag as well as the 2.5 on my back. I've been using my double suspension on recent Colorado Trail trips where water isn't much of a challenge, but I'd like to use it for an upcoming White Rim trip next month. There's not much capacity in my tiny Bedrock Designs frame bag for the double. If you or anyone has any ideas about upping the carrying capacity on a double suspension I'd love to hear them. Thanks!

[@Mike-vd2qt]

Water Carry: I use a King Cage Ti Manything cage on the down tube underside with Voile straps to hold a Nalgene 1.5L bottle. The Revelate Designs Feedbags each hold 1.5L Smartwater bottles. And Revelate frame bag holds my Katadyn Be Free water filter/bladder that is 3L. Used this on the Great Basin in WY on the gdmbr, SoCal desert, and Death Valley. Total 7.5L of water carry.

[@karlr6810]

WideLiter cage with Two Fish Quick Adapter on downtube underside on my El Mar (had to use a black hose clamp for extra cage security and wrapped an old inner tube around downtube to protect it). The WideLiter will hold a Klean Kanteen 40oz bottle, and it works like a charm on my El Mar.

[@riverdog6875]

@@karlr6810 Thanks! I started using a Bedrock bags Honaker quart sized carriers lashed to my down tube and that works well.

[@sventice]

I don't use the compact bikepacking bags that stick out from the seatpost like giant sausages. They don't hold much, it's hard to access stuff you've packed in them, and they flop around annoyingly. It's more practical to just use a plain old rack with small waterproof panniers.

[@Cody-gr2kc]

With the backpack I completely agree with putting weight on the bike. I almost always end up putting sleeping bags and clothes if I do have to take one. I see that mistake made all to often.

[@martinos9334]

So do i, but i still take a backpack for the light stuff. :)

[@pubplays368]

@@martinos9334 it’s better to take a haversack for the light stuff and they weigh next to nothing themselves (: I use a waxed haversack from survival reliance outfitters. It’s nice having it waterproofed.

[@davideldred.campingwilder6481]

Yes, the marino wool over cotton is a great idea.

[@Vanadium]

I agree on tools you shown but there are different types of multitools like the Topeak rocket ratchet. Just take the bits you actually need, the ratchet, the shaft and the chainbreaker. This is a solid multitool. Its so good and high-quality that I use it also right next to my big ass tool sets of real ratchets and Allen keys.

[@peterswanson2090]

Personally I love cycle jerseys with pockets, great for carrying snacks and stashing stuff on the go - the advice seems to clash with what Neil used on the recent Colorado Trail race too? I also prefer using a small pack and find I drink more with a camelback type setup, than when I use bottles - maybe a discipline thing, but having a small pack on my back has never bothered me. Otherwise love the advice here - always useful and great tips - thanks!

[@Basement_CNC]

i use a blackburn frame bag and for the 2 day trips i do its enough and looks neat and dosent change the bikehandling too much like a handlebarbag would do for example

[@tomsitzman3952]

Leave single use items at home. Every item should serve two or more uses. It makes you think. Examples. Do I need a inflatable pillow? What is its other one or two uses? Can my clothes duffle serve also as my pillow? Remember the old adage. Travel light and Freeze at night. What if I bring a lighter sleeping bag (less weight and bulk on the bike) that serves as a poncho in the evening and combine that with silk weight tops and bottoms that I can wear around camp and sleep in them or use as emergency clothing.

[@lindatisue733]

Bike camping : I always take a good pair of snub nose pliers. They have so many uses. Don't take a chain breaker since I use quick links, I'll take a spare quick link on trips. Day trips: I bought a water straw filter, for camping, now I take it on day trips. Saves having to either pack water or buy bottled water.

[@BIKEPACKINGcom]

What if your chain brakes, how do you remove the broken part of the chain to install the quick link?

[@TheHot5hot]

For day rides I tend not to take a small, lightweight and cheap back up front light with me. Same goes for a small and lightweight backup power bank.

[@coldbike5277]

I feel like all your items that you leave behind are good tips. I did once have a pretty serious crash in which my backpack (only 1 sleeping bag and a bag of chips) acted as an airbag.

[@gwynnlyell2539]

I haven’t bike packed yet, but the one tip that stopped and made me think about my mountain bike rides was the comment about a pack on your back. I’m working on getting more stuff onto the bike and off my body. I had never thought about the extra weight of a pack putting more weight on my sit bones. Duh on me. Thanks.

[@kaseycarpenter73]

frame bags are your friend... I can carry a 3L water flask, tools/spare/pump, battery pack (I like using my phone as my nav) food and more in that thing, amazing versatility when you find the one that fits.

[@billslicer3203]

If you are Really needing space, make sure that only really Light things go in the backpack ie, nylon pants and jacket, underwear, cap, etc

[@KurtisPape]

I really thought you were going to say electronic shifting :) I personally think its an unreliable thing for isolated riding. Even though its proven to be reliable, I think its a huge peace of mind to have mechanical and spare cables ready.

[@troycarpenter3675]

@D. W. caveat was "isolated" riding. I currently have the sram axs 12 sp. I would probably agree with his view. The exception would be if I were running a dynamo system.

[@troycarpenter3675]

@D. W. nice work (hugely melodramatic eye roll w/ accompanying sigh). But the obviousness of not being able to recharge a derailleur battery in the middle of nowhere, far far outweighs your weak attempt at using oversimplification and rephrasing to obscure the difference between "alone" vs "isolated". Have a nice day 😊

[@troycarpenter3675]

@D. W. you have point, but again it's a question of being ABLE to function in said environment. A cable break is very rare. Two in a row even more rare, but two batteries will ALWAYS run down. No matter what. Hence, his comments about being able to rely on which mechanism.

[@KurtisPape]

@D. W. I only said 'its proven reliable' because I knew if I said 'its unreliable' people would argue with me. For me personally what I've witnessed, people have actually had issue with electronic shifting, a big 1 is the shimano wire being tugged out, or people having problems setting up the AXS out in the field. My only reason why I think electronic is reliable is because the companies are sticking with it and going away from mechanical. If electronic was just a gimmic they would have broomed the idea completely

[@gravelcowboy]

Single Speed. Your welcome 😁

[@JM-jd7yp]

Great advice. Thank you and enjoy your Sunday.

[@jonpoon3896]

Like what you said with multitools. Lightweight mini pump is also something I’d leave for a bigger, more powerful pump. After a long day or days, I don’t wanna spend so much time pumping if fixing a flat. Those mini track pumps is what I’d go for instead

[@martinos9334]

if you are in europe, your never to far from a bike shop. I take a crappy hand pump so if i go flat i can pump it to a point that i can work with and visit the closest bike shop for a better pump.

[@garymitchell5899]

​@@martinos9334In Europe you can be 10/20/30 miles from a shop, and if it's open. Good luck pushing a loaded bike with a flat that far, for the sake of 100g pump. FFS

[@martinos9334]

@@garymitchell5899 you dont need to push it that far you got the spare tire and a crappy pump to cover the distance. 🥲

[@doinsngoins]

Good info, 100% , a piece of visqueen, the length of your loaded bike, and can hit the ground on both sides is a life saver. I prefer black

[@longrider42]

As a Bicycle Mechanic, some of the Multi Tools, actually work. So before you decide not to carry one. Check them out. But yes I carry individual tools. As for flats, I now carry a USB Rechargeable air pump. That you can set the air pressure. They are loud, and a tad heavy. But I have broken many a hand pump. I ride a recumbent with an actually seat. So no backpack.

[@jaymesmcclain479]

On the backpack front, I like having some items on me at all times (like wallet, phone, bear/bug spray) but don't like backpack shoulder straps or stuffing my shorts pockets. Picked up a used Osprey lumbar pack and it's been perfect - important items are with me all the time, there are bottle holders if I do a quick hike away from the bike, and I can clip it around my seatpost bag if I want it off. I recommend "backpack bikers" try it out as a compromise.

[@karlr6810]

I bought the Oveja Negra Hip Pack, which is large. Haven't have a chance to use it yet, though.

[@roddinandracin1153]

I've only been bikepacking a couple times, first time was with a friend, we rode from my apartment to a park 40 miles away, he had a 29er hardtail and I had a hybrid, part of the ride was dirt, part was road, we switched bikes on the ride back the next day, he ended up getting him a hybrid because the tires road on both terrain a lot nicer

[@chrislonsberry1974]

Great content in this video! Thanks!

[@Volkmannx]

Helpful, thanks!

[@orionlightheart640]

I'm a heavy heavy bikepacker. In fact, I carry a trailer with me too full of stuff. Ive been doing bikepacking for years. For me it's because my trips are usually hundreds of miles at a time. Every year I go on this particular trip that is at least 150 miles or more.

[@markmoreno7295]

It may seem a luxury, but though well-planned trips should have routes previously selected, I bring my iPad mini for the larger screen size to use either Gaia or Pocket Earth apps, (Old minis need the Bad Elf GPS to have satellite connectivity.) I frequently find that my route must be altered or that I have time to explore and it is easier for me to see a new and unknown area using Pocket Earth on a mini. On a day trip the OSM app in my phone is plenty. Luckily I have a dynamo to charge a small external storage battery. I keep the iPad mini off and resort to using it only if I have to. During colder months I bring a solar hot water boiler, in lieu of a camp stove unless I expect overcast conditions.

[@buckroger6456]

Solid advice on the tires. My problem with switching to a faster rolling tire is often just getting them and the price. What can I say, I'm cheap lol. Now with using a jersey all my stuff is loose fitting free ride gear. I just never could do the right fitting roadie gear.

[@fixitfixation5891]

Many 1000's of miles of [road] bike touring under my belt. Trust me: Leave as much at home as you can POSSIBLY stand. Be. A. Weight. Nazi. Climbs are absolutely miserable with excessive weight. Your bike is SAFER (more maneuverable) with the least weight possible. No stove. Buy food you do not need to cook. Just minimalist stuff to eat off of; titanium spoon, titanium bowl, super light plastic cup, that's all you need. No street clothes (my lightweight, Gore-tex type rain pants double as "going out" pants, and a - clean - jersey is fine for sitting in a cafe or restaurant). I disagree with avoiding lighter 'racing' shoes. I ride carbon-fiber "racing" Lakes that are extremely light, no problems; I prefer a stiff shoe on endurance-distance rides. I also disagree with pocketed jerseys - love them; just avoid the temptation to fill those big pockets; sunglasses/goggles and a snack are all you should need in there. I tend to put litter (candy wrappers etc) in mine, for disposal later, which weighs nothing. Absolutely agree with avoiding COTTON in all forms!! - soaks up water and you can never get it dry if you get any rain at all. True misery, in fact dangerous in some situations weather-wise - you'll be many miles from any clothes dryer. I'm a coffee FEIND but I do not take coffee on long rides. Weight of it is not justified. For extended tours, you CANNOT beat the advantage of plenty of MONEY or a fatty credit card. In the first world anyway, you can basically get anything you want if you have money. It weighs almost nothing compared to the advantages it can open up. An underfunded bike trip can be a NIGHTMARE. I do take paper maps - but I cut them up so only my route and surrounding terrain is left - AMAZING how much all that paper can add up to - almost a pound deleted on a recent trip across Canada, just in unneeded map paper. Crazy. I do have a - deafening - bike alarm (my particular bike is probably worth $5,000) for peace of mind when your bike needs to be out of your sight. I do carry a head lamp which doubles as a road illuminating light if you're unlucky enough to get stuck after dark. Avoid gadgets and gadgetty clothing / gear. Be smart when shopping for stuff. Get a gram scale and WEIGH stuff!! It's amazing. One surprise: thin steel tent stakes actually weigh less than fat aluminum ones; like HALF!! - I was shocked to learn this. I have a minimal one-person "bivvy" style tent. Not as luxurious as a two-person, sit-up-inside tent, but get over it. You're just sleeping. Switch to carbon parts where practical. Don't carry too many spare clothes; just get into the habit of washing the spares. I do carry a spare tire but it is the bicycle equivalent of the funky doughnut spare in your car - the absolute lightest foldable I could find. It'll get you to the next town with a bike shop. I agree with the remarks about CO2 (GADGET ALERT!!) and my pump is a high quality miniature Silca that is also the lightest one I could find. IF IN DOUBT, LEAVE IT OUT! Have fun! I promise you're "performing less work" the lighter you can make your setup. See ya on the road ☺

[@evanwalterman6717]

Planning my first trip and I was trying to decide on a few of the items you mentioned. Thanks for saving me some heartache! Also, what hoody are you wearing in the video? I’ve been trying to find something similar but have been striking out

[@BIKEPACKINGcom]

This is a really light weight hoodie called a Melanzana, which can only be purchased in Leadville, Colorado or perhaps Ebay. They are really great!

[@ruffrydazz2032]

Mostly agree but not on the shoes! I have some S-Works recons and they are the most comfortable, durable shoes I've ever owned. The super stiff sole makes my feet much happier than something soft after a 12+ hour day in the saddle and the Dyneema upper is super beefy. They also breathe much better than more casual shoes and have excellent water drainage. The only down side is the walkability. Stiff soles aren't great for hike a bike or a long walk into town after a mechanical but all in all, the increased performance and comfort is worth it for me.

[@goatsplitter]

Ditch the jersey and the backpack, and get a quality hip pack instead. I like the hip pack for quick go to snacks, meds, med kit, keys, etc. Misc crap or things I need in a hurry. Most have options for water bottle holders which you can use but I only do on day trips. Otherwise, those pockets can be used for other storage as most sinch closed :)

[@remibrandely5152]

For multi week trips: floss and duct tape. Can go a few days without flossing, but not multiple weeks. And small duct tape because you can patch up almost anything with it - your tent, your waterproof jacket after a bad fall...

[@cristibaluta]

Good thinking with the multitool, didn't think of that, if you take only the essentials you might get lighter

[@mooreoutdoor9841]

I don't understand "Bike shoes". I use my Lone Peak Altras. Yes, the same thing I backpack and Trail run in. They are comfortable and with the tread my feet NEVER slip off the peddles. Plus if I have to play Hike-a-Bike, my feet are ready for it. I do carry all the hex wrenches that fit my bike plus a multi-tool. I believe that thing is a good item to totally ditch anyway. It does seem useless.

[@EasyX2y]

I even went a step further using barefoot shoes. 😬

[@leonardonaylor8671]

I feel like a lot of people watching this already know this stuff, you do you, but I want to come on a virtual adventure with you. Being locked down I just want to see some routes you ride

[@simonh6371]

Wow did they put a padlock on the outside of your door? Or police or military posted outside where you live to stop you? Otherwise nothing is stopping you going out riding and overnighting in the middle of nowhere, in fact that's taking ''social distancing'' to the next level.

[@cynthiamgentles6781]

When I camp in bear country I pack a portable electric bear fence. 2.4 lbs for peace of mind.

[@parolesdelego]

The Swiss Army knife is still a good handy tool to bring

[@marcellopacifici]

maybe I'm too naive, I didn't know that tan walls were more fragile and leaky than black tires. I noticed some leak on my sidewalls but I've never had regular black tires in my tubeless setups. No chance to comparison then. Definitely good to know, something to take into consideration when I'll change rubber!

[@dontspamkoth]

The video was on what not to bring.

[@marcellopacifici]

@@dontspamkoth I got the feeling when I read the title.

[@dontspamkoth]

@@marcellopacifici Haha, sorry, I think I replied to the wrong post!

[@JC-tu7cy]

Generally, tires with lighter casings will seep more than heavier casings. I've had black tires that weren't designed for tubeless use that wept less than other "tubeless ready" black tires. Even when weepy, they work though.

[@johnhickie1107]

No jersey? You can get slightly loose fit jerseys these days. They also dry really fast when you wash them en route. On hot days fantastic - especially my sleeveless jersey. Kind of agree about the silly pockets. The only time I use the pocket is to keep my camera from bouncing around. The camera itself is secured on my Spibelt elastic belt - an amazing little invention for a small wallet and other little instant use items that you don't want to ever want to leave on your bike by accident. I do have a Lifa Merino - with a layer of Lifa and Merino wool. Great on cool days and surprisingly OK until it gets really hot. I use panniers now. Riding down a mountain pass in Spain a few years ago, my seat bag started to shimmy and wobble - very nasty when you're going over 60 plus km an hour. No seat bag ever again. Panniers keep the load low and stable. Just avoid the monster size ones as you'll fill them if you have the space. I try to avoid using even the smallest backpack. If I start using frame bags I may consider carrying a bladder and hose and nothing else in a running style hydration pack. For long rides I put a little bit of Merino Fleece over the ends of my toes. This prevents toe bang on the end of my shoes. It's also great if you have a hot spot that might turn into a blister. I've been using fleece for a few years in my back country ski boots and it's amazing. Originally used in New Zealand, it's more available in North America now. Wuru is a US brand and distributed in the States wuruwool.com/products/blister-wool.

[@markonikolic1386]

Straight to the point, love it!

[@shell_gone_awol]

Great advice although I am thinking of using a backpack instead of panniers & have that on the rack as I've seen a great set up for that option & just have a couple of small bags for cookwear, tools, etc.

[@TheHarryMaddison]

I really like this list, there's a wealth of thought gone into it, and i agree with them all so it must be good advise right? ;) fwiw my 2c worth; I don't really differentiate between a touring setup and a daily one. I find the ease and familiarity of day to day use means when it's a longer ride, all those paper-cuts have been dealt with. I personally only use slick tyres as i don't like how knobblies handle on the road, and hardly ever need extra traction off road.

[@shred3005]

I wondered when somebody was going to call out the gum / tan side walls tyres. The look good (arguably some would say) but my experience too is they are more problematic with tubeless

[@lindatisue733]

Do Kevlar tyres have the same problem? They were all over the place 15 years ago, now rare to see them.

[@shred3005]

@@lindatisue733 I’ve got an old commuter bike with a Kevlar layer in the tyres but it’s not on the sidewalks and they are certainly not tubeless. I haven’t seen any with Kevlar for some years

[@MrAdamNTProtester]

I took a 1' long piece of 1 1/4" wood dowel & modified it to take sawsall blades that way I can take a wood & metal blade with me & have a ready made saw that works great for wood or harder materials & is still lightweight, also paracord is a must... you can take a utility blade out of your utility knife [I am a carpenter] & make a jig that will process a plastic bottle into cordage... really helpful... finally no one should go on an extended hike with or without a bike without some kind of flare gun or trouble balloon/ loud horn/ whatever- if you are in trouble you need to signal for help... too many times a search party flies over a stranded person without seeing them... also never leave home without an emergency blanket & the steel you need to start a fire & a very good water filter!

[@redknightsr69]

Thanks for this! I hate making excess waste

[@drill_fiend1097]

I have no problem bringing 3/8 torque wrench with extender on rides. I carry it everyday everywhere because in the end I would not lose sleep on not tightening things correctly. Also sometimes bring electric pump with me as well.

[@themoodyteam]

+1 for the single-use plastic advice 😃

[@donaldwalter1317]

I do on occasion wear a 12 litre backpack that has a 1 a litre water reservoir. It is great for some extra gear storage but my back does get very sweaty on hot days. I’ll only take it as a last resort for my bike tours. I’ve found MRE’s are great for an emergency meal that doesn’t require a stove just water to use a chemical heater to warm food. One can purchase a small 15 meal box of these that keep well.

[@aWandering_soul]

Nice video, thanks for sharing. Btw i wonder if you could make a video about some Bikepacking tires combinations, I'm still confused about which one to choose since I do both sports, Bikepacking & MTBiking... Also which flat shoes are you using for your 3 season tours?

[@BIKEPACKINGcom]

Great Idea on that video, I actually have something in the works, just testing a few more tires. Here is a pretty good list of the shoes we use for flats: bikepacking.com/gear/best-flat-pedal-mountain-bike-shoes-2021/

[@hubdeep9452]

For those who love amberwalls, my Schwalbe g-one tyres had no leakage problems. Great tyres!!!

[@Jesse-bb4qj]

4:30 *DO* bring a cotton T-shirt, much easier to sleep in. More comfy

[@salzhaltigersalzhaufen586]

I always carry a card game not to heavy and always fun to play

[@pauldrees6341]

Love that back light! Looking professional

[@BotanyDegreePilkerton]

i cycle in sandals and don't own "cycling" shoes lol i have menopause feet hahahahaha :)

[@christopherhood9241]

freeze dried meals are my go to,. any changes to kit etc i try to do a few evening rides then pitch tent in garden to validate the changes. works for me.

[@kaseycarpenter73]

Did you have to explain to yoru family why you were camping in the backyard too, lol?

[@christopherhood9241]

@@kaseycarpenter73 no - garden is rather large. i can pitch up and don’t even know im on-site 😊

[@Bigred10101]

It is important to note with cotton it when its wet it will dramatically pull away your body heat, in the adventure tourism world we used to call it death wool as it can literally send you hypothermic and pretty quickly too, definitely recommend gping with merino instead

[@mtwmbw]

Good video and topic.

[@daniel.alonso.]

Books, I always carry a book or two, I know but hej I need them on the route for some weird reason I cannot understand...