2019 Naked Middleweight Bike Group Test | 4K

For our first group test for a while we decided to take a look at the Middleweights, more of these to come!

[@alithejumbo]

3:46 The best looking bike (Yamaha MT09 + Kawasaki Z900) 4:35 Best dashboard (KTM 790 Duke + Ducati 821) 5:23 Best overall specs (Ducati + KTM) 6:50 Smoothest riding: (Kawasaki + Yamaha) 7:57 Best break (Ducati) 8:45 Handling on the road (Duke + Kawasaki) 10:26 Track handling (Ducati) 11:58 Best engine (Yamaha) 13:15 Electronics (KTM + Ducati) 16:05 Hooligan and wheelie (KTM + Yamaha) 18:05 Price (Kawasaki + Yamaha) 21:36 Best bike overall (Duke + Ducati) 21:35 Best bike I would buy (Yamaha + Kawasaki)

[@thegrimreaper5104]

I wish the street triple was here

[@stanL9]

God bless you

[@whiskeythetwisty5564]

Thank you! So much help

[@OverBanned]

There are no words that can tell how amazing you are

[@archico01]

You just saved me tons of time

[@gavinbugg8824]

I'm really glad they put the same tires on the bikes, makes a big difference. Well done!!!

[@BrianFrichette]

The comments here are so depressing. The hosts give a clear disclaimer in the beginning explaining exactly how the models were chosen, and yet probably half the comments are asking where the Street Triple, Brutale, Shiver, etc are. FFS people, just enjoy the comparison. And for all you saying [Insert Favorite Bike] would win if it were included, then why even bother watching? If your favorite bike is the best in it's class, in your mind, why watch a comparison video? Could it be vanity? You need to constantly validate what you already believe. Come on. Have some class and open your mind.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Brian Frichette Thanks Brian, it was getting a bit tedious.

[@Cryptosporidium-zu2sc]

Well said 👍

[@nickfry7705]

Glad I read this, I too, was about to start whining about the omission of my Striple (-:

[@Jesusprayerwarriorbw]

@@BikeWorldTVshow this is one of the best reviews I've ever seen! I'm shopping the 790 & MT09. Trying to decide which to get. I'm a decent rider & want to do some wheelies power only. Can both do that or only MT09? Ive never been on track with bike doubt that I will due to costs . Thx for the info.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

@@Jesusprayerwarriorbw Thanks, sounds like the MT would be the one for you. Or you could go for the 890 Duke, let us know what you decide.

[@timjrvine]

Good idea on the tyres lads. All reviews should be done with the same tyres.

[@MrSiestaFiesta]

Why? Wouldn't it make more sense to test them as they come from the factory? Otherwise, you might as well replace all of the brake pads, oil, etc, so that they all have the same...

[@Stratocasterhead51]

@@MrSiestaFiesta Reduces the margin for error when evaluating the bikes performance. Since tyres are disposable and can be easily switched out it makes sense to have as little variables to the bikes as possible without going into the hardware. In principle you are right since they are part of the "package" but too many companies use aggressive tyres to offset any mechanical weaknesses of the bike and exploit aggressive tyres to achieve better lap times.

[@N0t4v41l4ble]

@@MrSiestaFiesta The Z900 comes with somewhat shitty Dunlops that are not even manufactured by Dunlop. Other things you mentioned are not really affecting the performance on the street that much.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

@@MrSiestaFiesta You're right, it's a valid point, though bikes can come on so many different OE tyres depending on region. And they vary so in quality, many towards the shitty variety. From a testing perspective it's unbelievably frustrating doing a group test and one of the bikes is on awful OE hoops, and the rest are decent or acceptable fare. You can feel it's capable of more but you're hamstrung by grip and can only assess the bike up to a certain point of involuntary pant staining. It really winds up the racer journos a treat! Yep, the manufacturer makes their choice and that's on them, but it's not fair on the bike. Some of the older ZX-10s came on appallingly poor OE rubber, we'd all bitch about them but they came alive whenever you stuck an AM tyre on. By that time though the group test is done, and the bike has suffered in it due to tyres. As an ideal I'd like every group test to be on a single pair of tyres. It's probably the biggest variable which affects every single other component and what it's able to deliver, so cancelling the differences out allows a more thorough examination of the bikes' capabilities. But, still important to test the bikes on whatever OE rubber that's fitted in your territory (first in launches or solo reviews) before a group outing, you're absolutely spot on and nobody will stop doing that. I guess it can affect buying decisions in some cases, what a bike rolls on. It's getting better though, especially on sporty stuff, several come on good gear out of the crate these days :-)

[@jerryp1392]

@@MrSiestaFiesta makes sense from 1 angle. Tires only last 3k to 5k miles, so it makes sense to compare with all the same tires in my opinion

[@scandimc]

finally the monster 821 in a middleweight test!

[@HEATER_]

"The MT-09 has already thrown its nickers at you...." LMAO!!!!! Great review guys.. Well done!

[@michaelpuderramirez2331]

Absolutely, positively the best motorcycle comparison review/test of any other KZbin video. Thank you very much for bringing this to us.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Thanks Michael!

[@fprintf]

I agree with other commenters that this is one of the best reviews I've ever watched. Well done guys, I'd love to see this style and more reviews between these two men in the future!

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

There's a big one coming soon! Thanks

[@THEAWESOMENESS40]

To the point, easy to listen to , nice people, well-done comparisons. You have done it mate! Best Motorcycle youtube channel by far.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Thanks!

[@fastmmw]

Kawasaki for me.

[@1990-t1j]

I like the look of the Ducati best. Love the L-twin engine.

[@AvidEnduro]

Maybe it’s just me but the MT09 aesthetics vastly improved with those additional lights underneath. Am I the only one to think so??

[@yoorukhunt947]

Avid Enduro agreed.

[@superturka]

Yes but its freaking expensive

[@chadrichards8930]

@@superturka its the cheapest out of all of them...

[@kurasenpai6923]

Actually did not expect for monthly payments and even insurance to be included.. more like this please! Keep up the great work!

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Cheers Kura!

[@davidlazenby5442]

Great comparison, probably the best I've seen. Thanks

[@thepsychicpeach8425]

This is an awesome review, was definitely going with the MT 09 for the Hooligan moments but my blood is green and I'm convinced on getting the Z900. 👍

[@jadebecaldo5286]

When it comes to the engine yamaha for me is the best.

[@edwinkarani5593]

Why?

[@florme6494]

Enemyofreali7y I’ve ridden the mt09 and z900... I prefer the smooth inline 4. Personal taste I guess.

[@billherman7294]

Have you ridden a twin?

[@doubleaaaron]

Any reason you didn't include the street triple rs? It's an amazing bike.

[@BrianFrichette]

They said it at the beginning. They picked them out of hat.

[@DB-sd3cw]

It's a 13k bike lol

[@kleinbottled79]

Wouldn't the mt-07 and the z650 be the middleweights?

[@kleinbottled79]

As I watch this, I realize the bikes are well chosen for comparison. Reasonably close in cost and raw performance numbers. Likely to be cross shopped. Its just hard for me to think of 800-900cc machines as middleweight. In the world of 1290 Dukes I guess it's all about context.

[@scandimc]

beginner naked bikes 250cc-700cc. Middleweight nakeds 750cc-950cc. Super-nakeds 1000cc ->

[@KafkaesqueRider]

Remember that engine size is not all, if you jusge the bikes by power mt-07 and z650 stay way behind, all the engines on this comparison have 100-130 horsepower. mt-07 and z650 have 75 and 67. What I'm wondering is why the Street Triple RS 765 was not in the test, it would have totally destroy all the other bikes.

[@Stratocasterhead51]

@@KafkaesqueRider Yeah having ridden both the z650 and the z900 you cannot put them in the same category. Even if it is hard to accept that a 950cc z900 is a "middleweight" Rofl. The z650 and the mt 07 i would consider entry level bikes. Alongside things like the z400 and a yamaha R3. Z900 is much closer to a z1000 in terms of performance. Striple RS : 10.3 Grand is out of place with the rest of the bikes save the Monster. Indeed a comparison with the 821 stealth would be interesting (and one sided towards the striple). Maybe the Standard Striple would be a good match for the rest of the bikes.

[@eduardopalma5801]

@@Stratocasterhead51 Totally agree with you, funny thing is how prices change in different countries, for example, in Mexico City MT09 is more expensive than the Striple RS (MT09 $240,000 Mexican Pesos = about 13,000USD) (STriple RS 225,000 MX Pesos = 12,000USD) yet Yamaha is one of the brands who sells more bikes in the country. Also for Mexico we consider 'entry level' any small displacement bike for example, Yamaha R15 or Suzuki GSX-R150 along with Indian brands like Bajaj or TVS. z650 and mt07 are 'middle weight'. STriple RS, mt 09, monster 821, etc, are some kind of 'Light heavyweight' and anything beyond that is 'Heavy weight'.

[@9999chippy]

Why didn't you quote insurance prices for the same area and age. Comparing different areas and ages is meaningless.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

It's just meant to give a rough idea of running costs.

[@stevenkelby2169]

@@BikeWorldTVshow Yeah but it doesn't lol. It's not comparing apples to apples.

[@GarryMcGovern]

I read your comment before I saw that bit of the video, and thought: 'nah, they couldn't have done that - that would make no sense!'. And then lo and behold, you were totally right: completely random figures thrown out bearing zero relation to the others! Probably most non-sensical bit of information I've ever seen in a video review.

[@channelofglory7738]

Same with deposits and monthly payments

[@gepixelt7712]

In austria, i'd pay 1300€ a year for a MT-09 lol

[@steve-wu7jp]

Gary is classic, he knows how to market his brand! He is on everyone's KZbin channel 🤔

[@1teem]

900cc middleweight? So how do you classify the busa? A2 licence friendly?

[@marcus4619]

glad you put the same tires on all of them to test just the bikes

[@RoughRiderv4]

Loved the review, the Kawasaki feels great even though it has no electronics, one of the best of the lot! :)

[@mitchregal]

Great great vid! Best comparison of the middle nakeds so far

[@jamesdarnell8568]

Middleweights are 650cc, not 900cc. 600cc supersports are not naked. 900s and liter bikes are big bikes. I was looking for a comparison of the Z650, CB650R, SV650, MT-07 and the Trident.

[@AvidEnduro]

Well done video mates!!! Kudos to you for switching out the tires, it’s never done on comparison videos but should be.

[@yonniboy1]

Why leave out the definitive and highest quality naked middleweight?, either the R or RS Street Triple.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Picked out of a hat as we said at the start of the vid.

[@Mockle07]

Bike World Haha I didn’t think you meant that literally! Nice to see a bit of a different bunch anyway.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

@@Mockle07 It was literally Michael, thanks for watching.

[@amancalledjames9345]

Good, thorough review, thanks - do more like this please.

[@mowler8042]

This has to be the most thorough review of a group of motorcycles I've ever seen....even payment plans of the bikes, wow. and insurance payments.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Cheers Marty!

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Cheers dude!

[@MFizzle777]

Totally agree.

[@drfelixfarsider2346]

🤔.....well, keep ur knickers up everyone - this was a ‘pretty good’ video, with the glaring exception of not having just one more bike included.... the TRIUMPH 765 Street Triple. For me, I own the KAWASAKI Z900 (the exact stunning red frame/red wheels model as included in this comparo), and love the bike. All these bikes are cool.

[@zemasa]

how can you do this and not look at the Street Triple wth

[@JustPlainBill0]

You overlooked the fact that your favorite handling bikes (821 Monster and 790 Duke) both have IMU's with cornering ABS, which could be expected to have contributed significantly to their handling prowess.

[@alterglobo]

THIS IS A PROPER REVIEW!!! None of that superficial baseless opinionism. And the length! Thanks. If any wish is left I would allow for more engine noise. Thanks. BTW can we help you guys starting petitions or something to have tests? I guess you want to do theses tests (who wouldn't, I would kill to be able) but can't always justify them to your bosses.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Thanks!

[@nimapakzad3628]

YES. I have been waiting for a direct comparison between these bikes for so long.

[@CandEAdventures]

Great review guys! This is my segment, reasonable prices, and great street performance. But for the love of all that is holy will the insect design look go away.

[@karlosh9286]

I am a Triumph modern classics fan (not really this segment of bikes) , the Honda CB650R , Kawasaki Z900RS and Yamaha XSR-700 , XSR-900 all look quite good and not "insecty" :)

[@BrianFrichette]

Home slice, if you don't like the insect look of the MT-09, just get the XSR900. As for the KTM... Can't really help you there. They all look like insects.

[@the_freedom_quest]

You guys left out the best of them all, the Street Triple R. Because you knew it would smash them all.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Nothing was left out on purpose dude (ace name BTW...), pure puck of the draw!

[@lumazzoni]

Love it👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 by the way I have the Z900 and the DUCATI 821 I am lucky 🍀

[@progste]

For me it's Z900, followed by the 790 Duke.

[@Thunderous71]

Have to say 2 years on the MT-09 20k+ on the clock I still love it... even the stock exhaust which I did swap out is great. Should of saved the money and kept it on. Will say this at legal motorway speeds it is fine but above my word is it a work out for your neck!

[@Levchukkostya]

I installed the oem windscreen and boy does it make a difference. Though I gotta say that it does take away far more from the aesthetic appeal than I've anticipated.

[@Pretency]

I find the air pressure makes a LOT of difference. 110mph is pretty comfortable.

[@jhstony]

That was a brilliant review video thanks very much guys.... loved watching this....please do more videos together

[@WalkerKlondyke]

How are 900cc bikes considered middleweight?? Precisely when there are 650 and 700 versions of those nakeds.

[@namir1782]

i think the terminology just became outdate they refer to horsepower figures more than displacement since most of them are around a 100 HP , unlike superbikes which are around 200 ponnies

[@Tobeon2]

Yup.. That is what came to my mind too... (^~^)

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Power to weight ratios, mostly.

[@Tobeon2]

Seriously, (no pun intended), is it a U.K. thing? Even in the U.S, I do not think I have met anyone who calls 900 cc bike as middle weight. Up to 300-400 CC is small, 600 - 700 cc for middle weight, 900 cc and above for a big bike category, no? I know riding a motorcycle is a very individual thing, but riding a 900 cc bike for a city commuting seems a bit.. well.. over doing it.

[@InteractiveIdea]

Upper middle weight, but it doesn't stop with liter size either... not if you count Superduke 1290 and Monster 1200r

[@spellr1]

I would like to see an update of the Z900 with the new electronics additions and the new dash on the 2020.

[@sadiqsamari]

This was a great video,it would be lovely if you guys compared some beginner naked bikes.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Sounds like a good idea.

[@EdwardVarner]

I LOVE my Fz-09 but honestly any of these bikes would be a blast to ride!

[@Lex-Rex]

This is really good. To bad the 765 R/RS didn't picked from the hat. No matter because I already own one.

[@izzy8609]

Honestly the kawasaki seems like such a simple and fun bike to throw around town

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Toss in a Brutale 800, Shiver 900, Street Triple 765R, and a GSX-S750. But it's difficult to round up everything for a good test. Good decision on running the same tires across the board! I had a Z900 (non-ABS), I got a MT-09 currently. Frankly, love things about both of them. Hard to beat that butter smooth Z900 engine, it's fueling is just perfect as stock. MT-09 suspension frustrates me for opposite reasons the Z900 frustrated me. Flabby and soggy vs. overly harsh and bucky. Both bikes really need a few thousand thrown in the aftermarket to really make them beautiful. MT-09 engine vibrates kind of unpleasantly (although tolerable) as compared the buttery Z900.

[@MrTrek164]

The one thing all these reviews miss out is ease of use for a pillion .

[@AnilKumar-1387]

u are on point ... nobody seemed to worry about pillion, but i will say, best pillion comfort is offered by KTM, big seat, wide, its straight and not in down angle, best for pillion i know it since i have tested it....Next best is MT09, seat is good but too short, pillion cab be accommodated but it feels cramped.... If rider and pillion both are small, then MT also feels good but still not as good as KTM.....

[@MrTrek164]

Anil Kumar My wife and I are not the smallest but we have found the ktm to work great even on 200 mile trips . It's not just the comfort for pillions it's the actual getting on an off in relation to the rear peg positions .when testing out the bikes my wife really struggled on the Kawasaki and the triumph .we also tried a Yamaha tracer which my wife could not even get on lol .Bmw f800 gt was good for a pillion also . I have top box and a larger screen with soft panniers if going on longer trips and the 790 works great and imho it only lacks at the top end by a small margin ,but in the real everyday use you do not notice .

[@karlosh2422]

And it seems unless you get a retro like one of Triumph Bonnevilles, cb1100, xsr700 or 900, z900rs the pillion seat almost needs a step ladder to get on.

[@kentbrown8308]

What's a pillion? No room for anyone else.

[@LTLT900]

Pillions should buy their own bikes!

[@rh_8599]

Nice review BJ & Gary im loving the S22's i fitted to my gsxr 750, and i would go for the ktm some great deals around on them atm

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Cheers RH, yeah cracking hoops for that bike!

[@KiwiCanuck01]

I understand no 765R or 765RS, that’s ok as I know they would win all the tests anyway 😆

[@exothermal.sprocket]

In other reviews, some picked the 790 over the Triumph.

[@adrianrice354]

wish we had your insurance prices here in Ontario Canada .. I pay double your most expensive for basic insurance on 900 cruiser, Great video lots of good info and looks to be honest opinions .

[@SamIAm-kz4hg]

Yeah. I was on the phone with my insurance for probably 3/4 of an hour before the agent realized that they don't insure my FZ-09. I had to go elsewhere. Dude, I'm over 50. What are they thinking?

[@simonthomas5367]

Would be interesting to see the end result of this test using the updated Z900 now........

[@martiisbertgelabert569]

Then you should ad the new Duke 890, and even the BMW F900R to have an accurate "nowadays offer compararion". Who would win?

[@simonthomas5367]

@@martiisbertgelabert569 Love the Duke! Not sure I could live with the BM's motor. Not too exciting by all accounts. But until I try one for myself......

[@ant9969]

Being on your back wheel all day and doing stoppies and getting your knee down does not make you a tit.. But watching to the end and not leaving a like does. haha. Gave you a thumbs up. I was out on the Duke 790 on test yesterday from Colwyn Bay KTM. I have to test the MT07 before I decide.. but maan that KTM is SWEET. When you ride it sanely, it purrs... when you when you send your scaphoid towards earth, earth bends out of shape. I loved it. I could be in trouble if I get one.

[@SpirosGlykas]

A very good test! Really enjoyed it

[@Currrn]

No Suzuki GSX-S750? For me, it's the most underrated and under-reviewed bike on the market. Absolute sleeper and a bargain, with a peach of an engine!

[@polikalo74]

Stephen you are absolutely right... i love mine. No buyers remorse at all. For those who think it does not have enough power get the revs over 6000 rpm and it pulls hard👍

[@Wabbit1961]

Kawasaki hands down. Cheapest bike. Cheapest maintenance. Build quality is better. In the U.S. you'll be hard pressed to find the Ducati and KTM. So good luck finding quality service. Yamaha has a nice engine but piss poor fuel mapping and cheap build quality. Kawasaki being cheapest lends more money for better upgrades. Ducati Brembo brakes but no steel braided lines?! WTF?! Aside from that, sorry but Bridgestone tires suck. Pirelli all day. Even a set of Angel GT are better than Bridgestone, which somehow come stock on most U.S. bikes, which sucks. That aside as well, I'd smoke all those bikes on my Ninja 1000. Maybe I'd even take off my luggage to properly spank them. If he likes the KTM for it's light weight he should spend time on a MT-07 instead. Owned one for a year and it's pure hooligan. Snatchy but fun. If I had to buy a Ducati I'd go for an older 796. More fun wrenching out a throttle than holding back. But then I own a 1986 SRX 600, which at a wet weight of 287lbs. is just a blast to wring out all day long. KTM are the most uncomfortable seats known to man. He needs to spend more than an hour on the MT-09. Then he'll know it sucks as well (as does the MT-07). Ducati is comfortable but they don't know what luggage is unless you say Multi Strada. I preferred the Z800 over the Z900. The 900 is just an under bored, under stroked version of the Z1000. Same engine really.

[@spoonman73]

Agreed. Bridgestone sucks. The Z800 is better looking too. And yes, the Ninja 1000 is faster, more comfortable, better wind protection, better rider and passenger ergos and I get compliments all day long on it. With a full system and an Ivan's tune it is even sweeter.

[@Wabbit1961]

@@spoonman73 I bought the 2011 model when it came out. I put a full Akropovic dual exhaust race system on it, Pazzo levers, Sargent seat, Puig windscreen with MRA deflector. When I bought it the only options were heated grips and Givi factory bags (which I think were nicer than the current angular looking bags. Easy on, easy off.). Of course I got the grips and the side cases - for some reason the design of the rack systems doesn't allow for both side and top cases at the same time, back then. I ended up selling the bike due to hard times but a few months ago I saw a used one with 15,000 miles on it (same as my old bike) bone stock except he put frame sliders on it. Got Akropovic megaphones on it now...lol. Needs a throttle body sync done. Was a tad surge-y when I bought it. Just planning to get a rear rack from SW-Motech and the flat platform for soft luggage. Right now, and for many years, I have been using Nelson Rigg sport touring tail bag - love it. Traded the MT-07 in on this one, even trade. I have the Pirelli ST's on it but on my 1986 SRX600 I have some Conti Attacks and really like them so I might try those on the next swap. I think Conti had a bad wrap for a while but these seem really nice to me. Yeah, heated grips in Florida - you'd be surprised.

[@baconbaconbobacon]

Great video and great detail on the bikes, ive had a 790 since march of last year and i picked it because it was best bang for buck, and the light weight and amazing handling really carves up the street. Just need to give it some different tyres and better looking mirrors and its good to go. (Stock exhaust while it looks meh, does give off an amazing sound so it depends on people who want to buy a different can) I did consider an MT09 and street triple but for the price of a 790 i have everything i need and no more that i can ask for. Anymore power an ill just get a sport bike instead of moving up since the duke is a daily driver that feels great and when i really do need to give it the beans it does oblige. Maybe perhaps a trade up to the 890 when it come out is in order?

[@cp4512]

Don’t care about excuses, without the Triumph Street Triple this review is simply just a competition to choose the second best naked middleweight in the market.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

What excuses? There are no excuses Chris, these are the bikes that were picked.

[@IrnMaiden304]

I think what's more interesting is that the Z900 is cheaper insurance on a bike with less safety features ( anti wheelie and such besides abs )

[@hubert1142]

Great idea putting same tyres on all. Those s22 are amazing - my first set survived 8000kms balls to the wall riding mt10.

[@colindeans5972]

Street Triple all day long, no comparison.

[@yonniboy1]

Couldn't agree more and the Triples quality is head and shoulders above every bike in the test.

[@arcuz7862]

Ugly, slow, clumsy bike. You are right it's not worth comparing to these 4 bikes.

[@Mockle07]

Arcuz Clumsy?! 😂 Presumably you’ve never ridden one?! Also it’s at least as fast as everything on this test (It wins practically every test it’s in against this lot).

[@EasternNCSportbikes]

I cant do that god awful headlight but everything else seems nice

[@Mockle07]

Automotive Revive Yeah I love my 675R, but i love it DESPITE the headlights...! You can’t see them when you’re riding it and I park it front first in the garage haha

[@pasiutrial]

2:21 - I was already sold here. What a great approach! Kudos to you chaps. There are not many testers who actually care about properly testing gear, they just get something from a manufacturer and ride as it is, this one is a very honest real-world comparison, loving it!

[@RemingtinArms]

Yamaha, for reliability. I raced my friend's 1199 with my fz6r after work one night. I beat him real bad. I texted him after I got home, he had given up trying to start it and got his wife to pick him up.

[@pasiutrial]

Tell that to R1 or FZ1 owners with their rotor magnets falling into the crankcase...

[@RemingtinArms]

@@pasiutrial just because no company has 100% reliability doesn't mean yamaha isn't *still* number 1. Stop pointing to the exception and arguing that it's the rule... Well, I guess you can do whatever you want, it isn't me looking stupid for it. Oh, and the story I told actually happened, yours is so rare that you only have 3rd hand knowledge from a KZbinr talking about an article they read, we are not the same.

[@pasiutrial]

@@RemingtinArms I was actually talking about my crankcase... But OK, Yamaha is no 1 for many people out there because they say it is. Don't want to argue, just trying to think realistic instead of stereotypical.

[@RemingtinArms]

@@pasiutrial not because people say so, that info is based on service records. If the first sentence shows you to be dumb, I'm not gonna read the rest. Personally I think you would have mentioned that being a personal experience from jump if what you're saying is true, so I want you to understand that the way you conduct yourself has me suspecting that you're full of shit, and it makes it very hard for you to be taken seriously. That being said, even if you got less lucky when you bought a Yamaha, and more lucky when you got a ducati, it doesn't change the reality of my statement. People ride harleys never having a serious problem over a lifetime, doesn't make them the best for reliability.

[@SemmyRace]

This is nice, would be awesome to have more videos like this. What about touring ability tho?

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Yep, more of these to come.

[@Navroze]

Since last ten years every shoot out between middle naked bikes the Ducati Monster appears in one of its form or the other... so what does one say about this iconic timeless design?

[@christianmouraux7269]

Great test 👍 Thanks ! Personally, once you get used to it, the V-twin is just magic....on top of that, Ducati has this little something more 😀

[@paulhope3401]

The price? 😉

[@nachiketmr9944]

A review made to its perfection. Its been long since i saw such an unbiased review.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

We thank you!

[@DifferentSpokesTV]

How does the Street Triple compare to this?

[@ryanwalker3509]

Super original comment, no one else thought or said this 100 times already. Thank you for all you add to the conversation.

[@iGhost]

why is the z900 middle weight? a couple more cc's its pretty much a litre bike...

[@MZ-bl6wg]

iGhost isn't even the z1000 back? I was thinking it was SO that would make the z1000 the heavyweight . The supercharged version of the z1000 come out soon but that will be hypernaked /Supernaked class with the new Ducati v4 streetfighter, tuono Factory , superduke R and MT10

[@iGhost]

@@MZ-bl6wg that would be the h2sx version. Long distance tourer. Unless you meant the one that's gonna be unveiled on the 23rd then I don't know

[@polikalo74]

👏👏👏 well said... 950cc might as well put it in tbe litre bike class!

[@carlpotgieter861]

I love this review!

[@andreash2090]

It’s no question which bike got the better electric system. You also forgot to mention on the 790 that the traction control can be set between 1-8 and the fact that it has launch control. And not to forget about the price. The Ducati is much more expensive, and if i remember correctly, the quick shift is extra equipment that must be bought

[@CraigSmith568]

I love that you chose what you thought was the best, yet also chose which one you would buy. Not everybody buys the better bike for various reasons.

[@robertsalyers1351]

I've always liked the Ducaties but they Are quite pricey here in the United States...so, I'm a Kawasaki z400 owner right now....great Bike Lots of fun...but keeps me out of Prison....LoL

[@samuraipizzacat2171]

Great video!! Think it's about time for another round!?! 2022 naked middleweight shootout?

[@keloniomannamoinolk7153]

z900 middleweight???? hahaha you are crazy.

[@petr0rabbit]

it only has 125hp

[@redfox4024]

H2r = NWO

[@Masters_Yukesh]

@@petr0rabbit u can't use that much power on naked bikes

[@petr0rabbit]

@@Masters_Yukesh i think you can, just not the same way as a speed geared supersport. But if optimus prime, my chilhood hero, says so i'm not going to argue!

[@Masters_Yukesh]

@@petr0rabbit 😁😁

[@Motovibes91]

No Suzuki GSX-S750? It's the cheapest middleweight naked bike and can certainly hang on with the rest.

[@RedEmpire36]

MT09 weighs 40 pounds less with 100cc more displacement. It's not even close and is much faster. It is more comfortable and almost the same price which is why it is vastly outselling both the GSX and the Z.

[@jimperry4420]

Mt 09 could never hang in the corners. I prove that every weekend with my buddies. They look cool in the mirror tho!

[@polikalo74]

Gsxs 750 is a great bike, awsome value👍

[@joel-hw3dw]

Middleweight: 800cc Me: riding a 50cc

[@Tripleb6036]

Brilliant review. I'm so tempted to get one of these for a bit of fun. I think next year's Z900 has added an electronics package. The only one that doesn't interest me is the Ducati. Gonna have to test ride the other 3.

[@smith1979]

To me you can’t compare the Monster to any of those bikes, it’s just got that aura about it, will definitely get the most attention out of the lot, just because it’s a Monster.

[@adamstratford6740]

Im a sports bike boy myself and a Kawasaki nut but in this instance I’m bagging the MT09 👍🏻

[@joshkasper8014]

I got a 2019 MT 09 about a month ago after my Duke 690 got stolen. I couldn't be happier man. I LOVE THIS BIKE. The Duke 790 was my first choice but the $$$$ came in just a little out of my price range. The Street Triple S was amazing, shes a sexy ass bike and a ton of fun to ride but again, out of my price range. You're not making a bad choice! Enjoy and ride safe dude!

[@adamstratford6740]

Josh KaspEr hi congratulations on your new bike 👍🏻 I’m not actually buying an MT09 I’m just giving my opinion on these bikes. I ride a 2016 ZX10R winter ❄️ edition which i brought earlier this year myself. Adam 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@N62INFINITY]

best middleweight bike review I've seen. well done guys 👍

[@jerryx2000]

765RS would have won. Period.

[@Pillokun]

I really hoped the st3 765 would be a proper naked bike but the engine is still lacking torque compared to the mt09, the st3 may handle much better but the engine feels too much like the d675 and it is pretty ZzZzZz :P

[@fyorbane]

On a race track and in overall handling yes but it has the smallest engine and lacks grunt compared to the others here. You've got to rev the RS to get it to perform [though perform it does]. It is also alot more expensive than the others apart from the 821. The engine is in a much higher state of tune. Personally for the road the R is the better bike. More power and grunt lower down but still matches the Z900 for top end wack.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Other reviews picked the 790 over the Triumph, stating that the handing on the Triumph felt sluggish in comparison.

[@Pillokun]

@@exothermal.sprocket I really dont trust reviewers that much. I have been burned too many times believing what they say. Triumph Bonneville/thruxton a modern handling bike? yeah sure if it was late 80-early 90s.. They constantly change opinion on how comfortable the old panigale was on the road. was it too race oriented or not? Mt09 was it actually too jerky throttle wise and was the suspension that bad? Tonono v4, is it a the best naked bike or is it just the best naked superbike? There is a difference there. You got to try out the bikes yourself because many times what reviewers say seems not accurate especially if the bike clicks with you. Bike = highly personal. The "Scalpel" probably is a well handling bike because of its design (true street bike) but the st3 765 is not an D675 frame anymore as it is higher(nimbler at slower speeds) and it is lighter, but yeah up to certain speed the 790duke should be more nimble but I have yet to see for myself, and that is the most important thing.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@Pillokun I've ridden well over 50 bikes, owned 10 (one at a time), maintained my own stuff. I've worked at a dealership for a short time in service and parts. 790, MT-09, Z900, GSX-S750 are all bikes I've ridden. I can attest the 790 is ridiculously stable and light and torquey, feels like a BMX with a small V8. I've not had the pleasure of taking out any Triumph, but I have seen the internet bragging and fawning over the Street Triple for many years. 765 being a really nice update. Yet, veteran publications that ride EVERYTHING and for much longer than myself, who rode the 765R and 790 back to back on the street and the track have said the 790 feels easier to chuck around and makes bigger power below 9k rpm. Is what it is. 790 isn't lacking any technology either, short of cruise control.

[@kefegrafik]

Sorry but where is the STREET or SPEED TRIPLE? That bike would wreck this content...

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Kefe Gülşen We’ve explained the bike choices at the start of the vid.

[@kefegrafik]

@@BikeWorldTVshow I get you but thats a really good contester on its class. newly updated and lots of electronics etc that wouldve been an amazing video.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Kefe Gülşen Agreed it’s an amazing bike.

[@zylko78]

Where’ve you lost street triple 765? It would be a fair comparison with the other bikes in the test!

[@enakki]

no it wouldn't be fair. 765 is much better :-P

[@Highway9mm]

Woulda been cool to see the street triple join the party.

[@thdkle]

The 2020 z900 has rider modes. I’d like to see it matched up against these bikes again

[@brodavid9960]

And a new color TFT screen, traction control, ABS, clutch assist and slipper clutch now too.

[@richdubbya]

Factoring quality, handling, power and ease of ownership? Yamaha... The Duc and KTM might be better but when you factor maintence and dealer support they fail. ESPECIALLY the Ducati.

[@brockett]

For a solid bike with good brakes, suspension etc. for real world, all day riding trips and a yearly mileage around 6000, the Kawasaki every time and it'll still be running in 5 years. One of those test bikes ( no names no writs) has had dreadful reliability / build quality issues.

[@Toast4days]

Hard to find a bike as fun as the 09...

[@pasiutrial]

Duke 890?

[@Toast4days]

@@pasiutrial only been on a super duke and that is a was inside. It’s just the price per smiles that the 09 gives you.

[@bhosterman]

Probably one of my favorite presentations. Well Done.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Making us blush, cheers!

[@alithejumbo]

Amazing video! Just what I was looking for! PS: made me subscribe.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Cheers Lee!

[@4N2IN0JA]

GSXS-750 for the win. This comparison is for second place.

[@polikalo74]

👏👏👏👍

[@bryanthomas8521]

honest reviews...had my Mt 09 new since 2015 love it ..time for change???? super duke 1290 Mt 10. ahhh 10 thousand MAY help with my choice..my wife may have to get over the extra 6 or ten grand..🤔

[@learningsomething8904]

3:51 I love MT O9 ! Because it's look like Transformers! 😍

[@learningsomething8904]

@@agnosticchen2497 yes! MT O9 =Smokescream MT 10 =bumblebee!

[@motorcycleMoff]

I've tested the MT09 SP, i really wasn't a fan. I can see on track how it would be fun but on a bumpy road it was horrendous. I have a Monster 1200 S which i absolutely love but can't speak for the 821. Haven't tested the Kawasaki but i have tested the KTM 790 duke and it was an absolute right laugh. Really smooth and also quite versatile. You don't alway have to ride like a hooligan but when you want to it was ready for it ha. Out of these four it would be the KTM for me from my own experiences. P.s love the S22's. Got them on the my own monster and they are phenomenal.

[@MZ-bl6wg]

MotorcycleMoff oh and if you did rode the MT10 or mt10sp what did u think compared to the monster S and the mt09 sp ?

[@motorcycleMoff]

@@MZ-bl6wg Yeah i've tested the standard MT10 a few times and really liked it. I actually nearly bought one before testing the Monster S and buying that instead. Saying that it took me a few weeks of testing both back and forth trying to determine what one i preferred and to be honest it just came down to looks for me in the end. I like the looks of the MT10 but the Monster just won me over. Even after a year or so i still love looking at it ha. If i got the MT10 instead of the Monster S would i have been disappointed? I really don't think so. I think i would be just as happy with it as i am with the Monster. Very different bikes but both of them fantastic.

[@danthemaintenanceman]

This was an excellent honest review, thank you!

[@photographerjonathan]

This was a really good comparison review, but I am still not sure witch one I would want to own.

[@MotoGoato]

it's pretty easy to split the 790 Duke and Monster 821 Stealth ...... the Monster is £2,000 more expensive 😉

[@scandimc]

its 2000 more, but its a ducati ;)

[@dogman8339]

Scandi MC soooo add another 2 grand for repairs?

[@mathew936]

@@dogman8339 no KTM will be first with a blown engine 😂

[@shmac96]

Didn't know these were middle weights! Thought 600 to 750 was middleweight....at least it was in every publication I've read since the 90s.

[@pasiutrial]

Time flies...

[@shmac96]

@@pasiutrial sure does

[@1joe12007]

Not a true test it’s missing the winning bike the street triple 765 RS

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

It's a perfectly true test between these bikes (Monster possibly excluded as the stocker wasn't available, granted, but it would have done about the same regardless), and anyway, if the Triumph had come out of the 'hat' it wouldn't have been the RS but the stock version, that's an entirely different test along with the MT-09 SP, Brutale RR etc.

[@y_rb4080]

What you have done by fitting all of the bikes with the same tire, removes one of the greatest variable out of the equation. All reviewers should do this. Hats off to you guys