Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure & Bogus Journey - re:View

Mike and Jay are joined by their very special guest, a noisy cricket, to discuss the first two Bill and Ted movies.

[@brandongnuschke3870]

It actually makes perfect sense that Bill and Ted wouldn’t inform the historical figures of their inevitable fates since they barely knew who they were in the first place.

[@samgomez9942]

Lmao

[@Olkv3D]

Beethoven Sigmond Frude

[@cameronmattingly8802]

@@Olkv3Dso-crates

[@Olkv3D]

@@cameronmattingly8802 Mr. The Kid

[@txcforever]

Imagine a couple of years later them thinking "I wonder what all our historic friends are doing now! Oh no...".

[@juddgoswick2024]

Jay assumes everyone has seen every art house movie. Mike just assumes we are all idiots. Together, they balance out.

[@R3GARnator]

@@SoSaysKyle Badum-titch

[@nolinbolin5064]

I was like "who doesn't know what a Napoleon complex is?"

[@LaymensLament]

I frequently consult Mike pertaining his Rickshaw knowledge

[@sniffles8672]

@@nolinbolin5064 quite every body knows that. And most are too Lazy to learn that this was propaganda and Napoleon was average height

[@FrantiC119]

Mike is right though.

[@christopheraustin643]

The writers' cameos are credited as "Stupid Waiter" and "Ugly Waiter" in the first one and "Stupid Seance Member" and "Ugly Seance Member" in the second one

[@PWN57R]

Also, the incantation she says to send the boys to hell during the seance is "Ed and Chris will rule the world" backwards.

[@Shayne_Collins]

And in the third one they are credited as "Stupid Demon" and "Ugly Demon!"

[@mrcritical6751]

@@Shayne_Collins I’m pretty sure both of those demons were stupid. They were just casually hanging around giving people directions instead of torturing, in fact Hell seems weirdly chill in Face The Music you don’t really see a downside to being there

[@stevedoolan1540]

Wait, were they the 'Ziggy Piggy! Ziggy Piggy!' waiters?

[@randalgraves6979]

🤔 What are these things called “credits”

[@jt8282]

The only time when Bill and Ted aren't together? _When they're in their personal hell_

[@adoredpariah]

Daww that's kinda sweet.

[@arbanafal]

Whoa, good catch!

[@idatethefatkid]

I'm not crying, you're crying.

[@bjaanderson]

That's deep af 😢

[@javieramirez1]

Woooah

[@MichaelB-jw5po]

I was lost throughout this whole thing because Mike never explained what a "movie" is to me. As a zoomer, I'm only familiar with Twitch streams and Tik-Tok videos.

[@thethiccdictator7481]

Same here, I’m deeply offended

[@whatsthejokersname]

@@thethiccdictator7481 You should change your user name to The Thicctator

[@christopherknowles]

To bake an apple pie you must first create the universe.

[@magicalhamster]

I had the opposite problem. As a person in my mid 30's I was demanding to know why a motion picture was playing on this small rectangular device. WTF?

[@timewave02012]

​@@magicalhamster Millennials are the new Boomers.

[@Preposition0692]

I can't believe Mike failed to mention that Mr. Ryan, the history teacher, was played by Bernie Cassie who also played in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine as Calvin Hudson in The Maquis Part I and II episodes.

[@josephlynch4532]

...or that Sigmund Freud is played by Rod Loomis who also played Dr. Manheim in Star Trek: The Next Generation in the episode We'll Always Have Paris.

[@Preposition0692]

@@josephlynch4532An astute observation dear sir!

[@bobbycorwen]

Or that the other cop that's possessed (the one from Total Recall) was also in Star Trek TNG (Peak Performance) as Sirna Kolrami who battles Data in a digital mind game

[@radagast83]

Also, that hack fraud didn't mention that Jane Wiedlin was a Starfleet communications officer in Star Trek IV.

[@randalgraves6979]

U.N Jefferson from Revenge of the Nerds.

[@hatandbeardmedia5925]

Many moons ago I worked as Santa Claus for a small agency that provided holiday characters for hire. One of the other Santas was this little bloke named Terry who was just bristling with energy all the time. He very quickly became a "Premium Santa". The reason I bring this up is because I later learned that Terry was in fact Terry Camilleri who played Napoleon in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. That's one of my weird brushes with fame.

[@johnpinneriv9958]

Sacré bleu!

[@TheTuttle99]

@@johnpinneriv9958 sacred blue!

[@sundayarvo]

I worked on an independent film with him in about 2008! He's actually Australian.

[@Hans_Lex]

@@sundayarvo PAY???

[@facerip2222]

@@Hans_Lex MERDE! merdemerdemerdemerdemerdemerdemerdemerdemerde.....

[@skoon002]

I saw this in '89 and I STILL say "Strange things are afoot at the Circle K".

[@zylowolf7919]

I do too

[@narev6569]

They finally put in a Circle K in my area. I do the quote, and if people get it they're worth hanging out with.

[@JeremyB8419]

I say it too and no one knows wtf I’m talking about lol

[@zylowolf7919]

Well there's one i used to go to but it changed not long ago to something else. It was another letter or something. I figured Bill and Ted messed up while time traveling and were working on fixing it. Haha

[@rubix41]

@@zylowolf7919 Everyone looks at me odd because there's no such thing as a Circle K convenience store in the UK. It's not the same as "Strange things are afoot at Spar or McCoys"

[@kensalter]

"Everyone is stupid." - Mike

[@thatsagoodone8283]

Merchandise incoming!

[@Glassandcandy]

So shocking to find out mike is a misanthrope. How could anyone ever tell this stone faced alcoholic doesn’t see the best out of humanity??

[@soulr9729]

He's right you know.

[@ringowunderlich2241]

Including Jay it seems. Lincoln never worked in the oval office. That came 44 years after he was shot.

[@thatsagoodone8283]

@@ringowunderlich2241 Damn thats one of the internets finest comments. Roasting by facts. I dig it

[@wil627]

Huge shoutout to the cricket in the background of this episode.

[@JohnnyZenith]

Thanks man.

[@cavebearstudio6517]

I thought I had a window open or a cricket in my house until I read this comment and then pressed pause.

[@WollongongWacko]

Just Rich yanking his birthday boy

[@atom_gray]

he has a name, it's McKauly Kaulkin...

[@JacobLucasSorenson]

Theyre trying to cut into the asmr audience😆

[@spacewooly]

The most profound line of the movie "why would we lie to ourselves?"

[@v1deo.hunter.d317]

Mike really feels strongly that people shouldn't assume two men paired together all the time without any women around are gay... hmmmmm.....

[@marc.ristau]

Underrated comment

[@khrashingphantom9632]

This comment is CRIMINALLY underrated! Lol. I really want RLM to pin this one.

[@dog3y3]

I don't think it's that he feels strongly about it. I think he is trying to say that other directors/producers feel that if they don't do the "not-gays", then their characters could be labeled as gay. I think he is hoping for stronger/smarter director/producers who will stop this nonsense. That's the impression I got from his explanation.

[@BeKindToBirds]

I think he just got teased about being gay a lot and thinks about it way more than anyone else does. Trying to date princesses is like, the main thing any regular dudes would want to do going to the past lol

[@chadgiga4213]

@@BeKindToBirds princesses didnt bathe tho

[@reginaldsafety6090]

Bill and Ted are so infectiously likable that even Mike can't help but tolerate them.

[@narev6569]

It's definitely an element missing from modern Hollywood. You like these guys, so you want them to succeed.

[@Toxodos]

Mike's gota soft spot for genuinely wholesome stories like this anyway, just remember how he lit up during the willy wonka review

[@philipfrisk805]

No, Mike's response to film is heroically normal. He has his heart in the right place.

[@Egore]

Hey Ted’s dad is that guy from LA Noire who isn’t very subtle when it comes to lying to police

[@SammEater]

Hah, I knew it! I noticed after rewatching the movie that he looked a lot like the lying old guy from LA Noire.

[@ens0246]

A character from LA Noire who isn't very subtle about lying...you're gonna have to be more specific.

[@WickerMahn]

THEY WAS WORKIN ON THE TIRES, THAT'S ALL THAT WAS TOOK

[@Mag_Nus32]

Super super does

[@DannyOfOurTime]

Lolol His face was the easiest to read out of anyone in the game!

[@sanic1020]

Fun Fact: The director of Bogus Journey also directed another RLM classic: THUNDERPANTS.

[@CrimsonOptics]

I love that they made death Swedish based on Ingmar Bergmann's Seventh Seal. That's an adorable homage.

[@chocolatemarthas]

i saw him and was like wtf is that death from the seventh seal

[@chrisbarber5148]

Abraham Lincoln used a space now known as the “Lincoln bedroom” for his office. It was a standard rectangular room. The Oval Office wasn’t in use until 1909. So they presented Lincoln’s setting accurately.

[@Hiraghm]

If I was going to kidnap Lincoln, I'd have gone back to 1858 to get him, and then not returned him; probably run him against Bill Clinton.

[@ihaveagoogleaccount8008]

NERD!!!!!

[@TheMettaur]

That's a good point, but it still did look just like an SNL set.

[@AndDidAndDid]

@@Hiraghm If Abraham Lincoln disappeared in 1858 the Union would probably not have been preserved, and Bill Clinton (from Arkansas) would have been part of the Confederacy and ineligible to run for president of the United States. 🌈🌟

[@alpha__whiskey__2856]

Jay's hair has become a visual reference point for the length of the pandemic.

[@dyveira]

I was wondering, "When did Ewan McGregor travel to Wisconsin?"

[@jamiemetrick4739]

It's starting to evolve from "90s boy band" into "drifter who hangs out at the park" length.

[@IHADTHECAKE]

I say that every upload... It's majestic and flourishing.

[@lanceturley7745]

He's slowly turning into Captain America in *Avengers: Infinity War.*

[@laserbeamlightning]

He just got Keanu's haircut

[@ahammer607]

William Sadler as Death playing Twister with Bill & Ted was just sublime. My guess is hardly anyone watching that movie in theaters knew anything about The Seventh Seal.

[@NoriMori1992]

6:59 This is why I love Bill and Ted as a duo. They're the most literal example I've ever seen of "sharing a braincell". I genuinely think they could not function without each other. They are almost always on the same wavelength, they do literally everything together, and even when they propose to their girlfriends they deliberately do it at the same time, and (coincidentally) use almost the same speech, and end with "Will you marry us?" They're a package deal, and it's kind of beautiful and sweet.

[@facerip2222]

You ever see that movie from the '80s called "Just One of the Guys"? In the high school Terry transfers to, there's these two nerdy, Star Trek-y type friends who always hang out. There's a scene in gym class during a "Shirts vs. Skins" basketball game, and they get picked for opposing teams. When they try to break them apart they start shrieking, and looking at each other with their arms raised, reaching out for one another. That's the connection I imagine Bill and Ted having.

[@marcusl3569]

"Originally we handed pudding cups out as snacks to everyone and the cavemen. All got cut." - Alex Winter

[@Notsram77]

Cavemen?

[@christopherquerry7769]

When they were all stranded and had to fix the booth. In addition to gum, they used pudding cans to fix the antenna. Ted had some in his pack. A caveman was chewing gum when they left.

[@llcoolray3000]

The pudding cups remained in the video game.

[@sydberetta4649]

Ed Solomon further elaborated as well

[@TheTrout9000]

I've honestly felt like this is one of the only movie scenes that I caught as a kid but have found as an adult so many missed. They never mention why they have the pudding, but it's def there when they go back to prehistory. I was always baffled why pudding was in a can. My dad had to tell me it was a thing.

[@benlittle5436]

I had somehow never noticed that after the "SHUT UP TED" on the stairs, he waits a moment, smiles at Bill, and then all is moved on from. Need me a friendship like that

[@cinnamonnoir2487]

It's nice to know that there's a movie out there which is unrealistic wish fulfillment for *_friendship_* instead of the baser emotions.

[@Psilocybin77]

I loved that moment too and it's the little things like that, which make movies like this special.

[@athenajaxon2397]

@@somercet1 what a mood

[@joedent3323]

Vadge gas is deadly.

[@ToonGal12]

Much of the charm of these movies are the sheer likeability of this duo. Like, can we talk about Bill and Ted’s relationship with their dads? I mean from a story structure standpoint. It’s such a good way to get your audience to empathize with these characters. It’s something that totally changes the audience’s view of Bill and Ted from the beginning, that I don’t think a lot of people notice. Something that a lot of comedies forget to add is the focus on Character, but "Bill and Ted" isn't one of them. It would have been so easy for the writers to just have them be airhead rockers and that’s it. It would have been so easy to show them as having no interest in learning, and have the audience feel like they deserve not to pass the class. To have the audience laugh AT Bill and Ted as they stumble around history. But instead, we find out that Ted doesn’t have self confidence because his dad is militaristic with him. And that Bill most likely had to fend for himself because his dad is neglectful. And we find ourselves rooting for them to pass the class. Because it’s NOT their fault; the adults in their lives have failed them. And I think that’s something that so many of us can relate with. We can empathize with. And that is SO important to making your audience connect, and why I think Bill and Ted continues to be such an amazing classic. Another thing that’s shown in subtle ways is that Bill and Ted are NOT total idiots. Mildly absentminded bumblers? Yes. But dumb? HELL NO. They use all sorts of big and fancy words in their speech, so the boys are clearly acing their English classes. (Which makes sense. They’re starting a band, so of course they’re gonna’ want to expand their vocabulary to help write their eventual songs.) Hell, Ted practically has the speech pattern of Shakespeare at times. (”Strange things are afoot at the Circle K”? Who else talks like that? Clearly someone who loved poetry class and decided to model his speech after that.) And Bill’s just as clever, if not more so. He’s the one who realizes they’re late for school. When he finds out Ted might be shipped off to military school, he wastes no time in having them hit the books to try and pass the class. He's primarily the one who fixes the time machine when the antenna breaks. (Props for showing the boys being pragmatic and not just calling Rufus for help--that would've been the easy way out.) And he’s the one who comes up with the idea of going back in time to plant the car keys and set up the jailbreak ahead of time so everything’s ready to go when their future (now past) selves get there. (Seriously, that’s some genius-level planning that even “Doctor Who” doesn’t always deliver on.) Bill and Ted are the textbook example of “book smarts” vs. “street smarts”. They ARE smart and clever in their own ways, and are just all around sweethearts who stay eternally positive, and don’t care what you are or where or when you come from. They can make friends with virtually anyone.

[@scottpodleski5834]

Extremely underrated comment.

[@itsd0nk]

Great points! It’s the quintessential root issue for much of generation x. Growing up fatherless or neglected by them, raised by the great movies and music, growing up a little existentially lost and fuzzy about life. It’s like the same root message as Fight Club... but much, MUCH, different lol.

[@tomjewell7759]

Well written and thought out. Thank u.

[@Tw0DrunkGuys]

I know its been a year, but thankyou for this comment. Insightful, relevant, and honest. You put into words what felt so special about these films.

[@Mr_Bones.]

Your comment gave me more emotion and charm than any movie I’ve seen in the past two years. Now I wish I could bump in to Bill and Ted randomly at a Circle K and have a friendly and sincere conversation. May God bless you and may you party on, dude 🤘

[@lutello3012]

Anybody else remember this on the news at the time? Robert Alton Harris (January 15, 1953 - April 21, 1992) was an American car thief, burglar, kidnapper and murderer who was executed at San Quentin State Prison in 1992 for the 1978 murders of two teenage boys in San Diego. His execution was the first in the state of California since 1967. Harris' execution is specifically remembered for his choice of final words (recorded by Warden Daniel Vasquez): "You can be a king or a street sweeper, but everybody dances with the grim reaper." This is a misquote of a line used in the 1991 film Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey: "You might be a king or a little street sweeper but sooner or later you dance with the reaper."

[@OCmonstar714]

Rich Evans traveled back in time to change his shirt on his birthday

[@than217]

Now it says "Vagina the Birthday Boy"

[@bcun5025]

Rich evans is a Mary sue

[@rogerthecat929]

"Cock the birthday girl"

[@ethinethin]

Reference explained: a photo of Rich Evans as a child with a "Dick the Birthday Boy" shirt on was ruthlessly mocked on television by Ellen Degeneres and Julia Roberts.

[@pierremaggi8661]

@@killervztwogaming5796 Reference explained: in this video, Mike explains several obvious references as if they were obscure.

[@jmlr12]

"They don't say bodacious." Mike's dementia isn't funny anymore

[@taylorherzog]

Glad someone remembered

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Cameron Mitchell never said "TUMS Festival".

[@fakeparson8193]

@@DistractedGlobeGuy Im Right!

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

@@fakeparson8193 Let's go to the footage!

[@Darkshizumaru]

I haven't watched it in a long time but even I know they call the Princesses Bodacious babes...

[@vx1982]

Can't believe they didn't point out that Keanu and Alex played high school dudes (and convincingly too) while being well into their twenties

[@Fudhwnsmdjc28]

"it's unrealistic that they would make a whole big spectacle of these history reports" Oh my god. My middle school did this exact thing. It was called Brotherhood day and it was the worst day of the year. Each year everyone would choose one historical figure to report on. You would give a report ~as that person~ not only to the class but for a whole day where everyone would walk around the school. Then they'd choose the ones they liked the most to perform in front of the school. We weren't even an arts school... just a regular middle school that was especially good at humiliating children. Edit: I should also mention that this was worth over half our grade in our English classes

[@nunyabusiness2785]

That sounds horrible lol

[@DcCock]

That sounds like it would be horrible as a pre-teen but funny as a senior or college student when your sense of humor develops more

[@Fudhwnsmdjc28]

Iced Lenin lmao love that. I was Christa McAullife in sixth grade, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in seventh grade, and one of the Supremes in eight

[@philipfrisk805]

"Especially good at humiliating children." About sums up grade school and jr high for me.

[@Idk22223]

@@icedlenin8908 imagine how it felt to be the kid who had hitler

[@diezel308]

Alex Winter earlier this year: "There’s a scene where I’m fixing the phone booth in the prehistoric time and all the characters are eating pudding cups. And that used to be a really elaborate running joke about pudding cups. And that’s all gone. So there are a handful of strange continuity jumps in there that allude to ideas that were tried that just didn’t work."

[@NefariousKoel]

Having been a kid in the 80s, I'm pretty sure pudding cups had just become a thing in the mid-80's, along with other small pre-packaged snack pack type stuff. Must've been a consumer mentality and marketing joke they removed.

[@30noir]

If you want pudding based plots you could try Punch Drunk Love?

[@BillytheEntertainer]

Alex Winter actually tweeted at them

[@diezel308]

@@BillytheEntertainer I figured he would. He seems like a really cool guy like that.

[@Psilocybin77]

I've seen Bogus Adventure hundreds of times at this point, and I never had any misunderstanding with those pudding cups. I always made the connection between them eating them while the Phone Booth was being repaired, and then later being eaten in the auditorium.

[@Jester2415]

Jay and Mike are always together and never seen with their girlfriends. They have a case of the gays.

[@aleccampbell7707]

As Rich Evans would say "case of the gaaaaaaaaaays"

[@cwg9238]

mike likes em young. so he has to keep it under wraps.

[@Znex2718]

Mike's had them all eating gay cake again...

[@mazurbeem]

@@ChuckSDeuces Ya it's funny. I used to not think about it bc, you know, jesse was there and they all had the not gays. But once she left I wasn't sure anymore.

[@ens0246]

@@ChuckSDeuces good times. But 3 things in life are certain: death, taxes, and when a KZbin channel featuring a girl reaches a certain level of prominence violent sexual threats are guaranteed.

[@RobinYutani]

Y’know it’d make sense that the reason Bill and Ted were the reason society became so much better is because of the impact they had on the historical figures they met, but it seems that they didn’t go with that for whatever reason.

[@sn1000k]

I thought that was the reason? Oh it was the music huh

[@Phaota]

There not considered "surfer dudes". They are "valley boys", as in San Fernando Valley. It was the lingo of the day, very much the boy's version of the valley girl.

[@biffodio]

So, like ohmagod you're so totally wrong? Valleyspeak is like seriously different from Bill & Ted's Jeff Spicoli derived vocal mannerisms or whatever?

[@darklsn]

Himbos; if you will

[@Phaota]

@@biffodio You're talking like the girls. Growing up in La Canada, California (which isn't too far from San Fernando Valley or all the other areas of Los Angeles, Glendale and Pasadena, I heard Valley Speak a LOT. The guys didn't talk like that. We had a similar style to surfer lingo, much like B&T, but it wasn't exactly like the overly exaggerated surfer speak.

[@biffodio]

@@Phaota Ohmagod dude you are like for sure not getting it y'know? You're all like "gender-based linguistic attributes" or whatever? The point is that valleyspeak has certain key attributes that don't exist in Bill & Ted's vocal patterns. It's just harder to illustrate the separation in text without the rhythm and tempo. Here's why Bill & Ted sound the way they do and why Mike was right to call them surfer dudes even if we don't consider them surfers: Sean Penn grew up in Malibu and spent a lot of time around the surf scene in the '70s. His "Jeff Spicoli" character is an amalgamation of a stoner/surfer he'd known growing up and a similar (in Penn's view) personality encountered by Cameron Crowe while doing undercover research in a San Diego area high school. Because Penn did such a great job crystallizing Jeff Spicoli, impressions of him became a sort of stock character throughout the '80s and '90s, essentially an update of the court jester or "wise fool" archetype, a pothead often without the pot. You can hear echoes of that voice in cartoons, sitcoms, most Pauly Shore roles, and Bill & Ted. It's a sociolect tied to the Southern California coast that's sometimes mistaken for valleyspeak because they both have the distinctive Dust Bowl migration vowel shift and certain bits of slang.

[@brettfawcett550]

How did these middle aged midwesterners not know this specific regional culture from the late 80s

[@Yup712]

“Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.”. For some reason one of my favorite and most remembered movie lines.

[@QuantumElectricians]

When I moved to the west coast and saw my first Circle K, I was like "Woah! No way!"

[@graphicsgod]

@@QuantumElectricians Excellent!!

[@Swediepinoy]

Circle K bought up our Swedish Statoil petrol chain few years ago. Now we have the Circle K chain across the country.

[@---wq9xp]

It's so applicable to real life

[@LootandScoot]

In highschool I worked at comic shop next to a Circle K everytime I went in to get a soda the guy behind the counter would tell me or my coworker about his cousins sex shop that also sells weed, switchblades and really well made pocket watches just had to tell him I knew Ernesto I learned early strange things are definitely afoot at Circle K

[@ForwardSynthesis]

I'm glad RLM has Princess Rich Evans so we know Mike and Jay have the not-gays.

[@lotus-prince]

Mike's the one who wants to have a princess party.

[@cinnamonnoir2487]

Well, after that "daisy chain" reference a couple of years ago, some clarification was called for...

[@gcg466]

In re-watching the movie, I realized how brilliant it really is, it lampshades the illogical nature of time-paradox causality loop from the start: Bill: ... Wyld Stallyns will never be a super-band until we get Eddie Van Halen on guitar. Ted: Yes, Bill, but... I do not believe we will get Eddie Van Halen before we have a triumphant video. Bill: Ted, it's pointless to have a triumphant video before we have decent instruments. Ted: Well, how can we have decent instruments if we don't really even know how to play? Bill: That is why we need Eddie Van Halen! Ted: And that is why we need a triumphant video! Both: [think for a second] EXCELLENT! (guitar riff) Their opening dialogue parallels the inherent problem in the time-loop: To do their history report, Rufus had to help them For Rufus to exist, Bill and Ted had to do their history report Billl and Ted did their history report and Rufus helped them with their history report ??? MOST EXCELLENT

[@KaitainCPS]

A causal loop is not a true paradox, except in the literal sense of “contrary to expectation”. There is nothing contradictory about the idea. It only seems strange if you’re locked into the idea of linear, monotonic causality.

[@ThatGuyCanmanNC]

Righteous dude

[@JackgarPrime]

Honestly, these movies have some of the smartest-written dumb characters ever.

[@MegaJosh42]

Wo dude!

[@christopherknowles]

Fuck yeah causality.

[@scottyb8392]

Bill and Ted are so lovable because something happens, and they just go with it, or manage to fix it despite sharing one single brain cell between both of them.

[@gasstationninja]

“Alex winter tweet at us and tell us why everybody has fucking pudding cups.” New favorite quote.

[@brandontaylor3874]

"surfer dudes who dont surf" The word you guys are looking for is VALLEY dudes lol

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

Wouldn't you call them skaters then?

[@joejoe2658]

@@Corbomite_Meatballs NO. VaLLeLy skates.

[@stevenpina1983]

@@joejoe2658 yes

[@ryanbates871]

Surfer dude that doesn't surf is call a hodad.

[@jimmym3352]

I live in the desert, we skated, not surfed. I live 230 miles from the ocean. We still wore the same clothes as people in L.A. despite being 230 miles away. At least I would have had my parents had any money and I wasn't poor LOL. And then I got into my heavy metal phase and I wouldn't be caught dead in such clothes anyways.

[@narev6569]

I still love in Bogus Journey when Ted is asked for the meaning of life and he gives Poison lyrics. Eeeevery rose has its thoooorn...

[@ArizonanSummer]

Dust. In the wind! Dude!

[@metroidfan220]

I think the biggest testament to William Sadler's performance is the fact that he's not in the more highly regarded first film and yet his character persists in the cultural memory of Bill and Ted.

[@JohnGraves1985]

Bogus Journey is largely considered better than Excellent Adventure, so not sure what you are on about lol.

[@JessFlix]

The fact that Mike was able to resist calling the newest film in the franchise 'Bill and Ted's Elderly Adventure' is incredible.

[@AwkwrdMmnt]

Can't wait to see this one in 2035

[@mzaite]

@@AwkwrdMmnt Then Alex Winters will look just like Bill's Granny with no makeup!

[@dublinjake]

Don't give him any ideas.

[@mzaite]

Stick around after the credits of Face the Music!

[@theeoddments960]

DeLorean4 yeah that pretty much ripped the punch out of all the elderly jokes he’s made

[@sloppy747400]

Oedipus complex is specifically son-mother, the father-daughter complex is Electra complex

[@benking1573]

Good movie

[@cleargreen123456789]

Not according to Freud

[@QUAKERSATTACKS97]

Sounds dope

[@theguardian8317]

@@cleargreen123456789 That guy was an idiot. He took a great ancient story about fate/destiny and ruined it for future generations by turing it into a some dumb theory about how every human subconsciously wants to practice incest.

[@archfriend]

@@theguardian8317 and to this day people are still clearly uncomfortable about this deep seated truth

[@Kyleology]

They give everyone pudding cups when they fix the time machine in caveman times, that's why everyone is eating pudding cups in the auditorium.

[@machupikachu1085]

So now everyone is genetically pre-disposed to eating pudding? Man, that is a deep-dive gag! :D

[@joedent3323]

Yer mums feral growler is from "caveman times".

[@nikholman1287]

1994, Freshman Theater Arts class, I wrote a one-act play, "Bill and Ted's Heinous Driving Exam'. It was brilliant. Just wanted folks to know.

[@machupikachu1085]

I would LOVE to read that!!!!! :D

[@dlgcp]

RLM is now the "Pop-Up Video" of the KZbin scene. ("Pop Up Video" was a VH1 television program that played music videos featuring overlaid "pop-up" bubbles with trivia and observations related to the video in question. )

[@jesusthefisherman1726]

I applaud you for doing a Pop-up for the Pop-Up Video reference... you hack fraud!

[@staceyann1180]

Awe, I miss Pop-Up Video!

[@jettnorr]

I aways loved this concept, and yearn for it on some Inner-Thirst-for-Knowledge/'ADD-appeasing' level of my soul. The fact you pop-up-video'd your own comment to explain what pop-up-video is, is phenomenal. ( PHENOMENAL phe·​nom·​e·​nal | \ fi-ˈnä-mə-nᵊl) The definition of phenomenal is relating to or being a phenomenon: such as a : known through the senses rather than through thought or intuition b : concerned with phenomena rather than with hypotheses c : extraordinary, remarkable )

[@philipfrisk805]

There is something to this observation, ha, ha.

[@trentb3148]

Man, they really need to get Alex Winter on. He sounds like he'd be a great guest, and Jay is definitely a fanboy.

[@archfriend]

but does Alex Winter do podcasts?

[@RDV333]

He's making a Frank Zappa documentary right now.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Didn't he make a bunch of bullshit up about Bronson? I heard that the "Marina Sirtis didn't like working on Death Wish 3" was from Winter rather than from Marina herself.

[@NotBoringFilms]

i remember asking my mom why they were saying station. she said, “its just something they’re trying to make trendy”.

[@7superdaimajin]

Gretchen! Stop trying to make "station" happen! It's not going to happen.

[@justthatguyoverthere2080]

I had the novelization for "Bogus Journey," and it had the scene with the hell visions confronting them in it. As I got older, I wondered if it was based on an older version of the script where that was later removed, which happens. It seems that was the case here. Thanks, RLM, for confirming something I literally haven't thought about in decades!

[@CarlEusebius]

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.

[@harrimanpd]

,Bill

[@Atraira]

I'm glad Mike explained what the sun is I was lost there for a minute

[@__-pn1jc]

Are you Bogie?

[@mzaite]

I think he was too.

[@ens0246]

Why don't you explain to the viewers at home what "The Sun" is.

[@phat94]

I can't believe Mike is still referencing Chad Vader. He used it as a comparison back in Half in the Bag episode 5! Mike may well be the only person to still remember it.

[@symbiote1982pk]

If you remember him remembering it then you remember it too, your numbers went up 100%, those are some great numbers, keep it up.

[@dembro27]

Proof that Mike is at least 127 years old!

[@CrAzYpotpie]

Anyone who was around then definitely knows it. In the same way that I don't know jack about fortnight or Minecraft, you don't know Chad Vader.

[@wormbaby666]

From Wikipedia, under 'Wedgie':... The melvin is a variant where the victim's underwear is pulled up from the front, to cause injury, or, at least, severe pain to the victim's genitals. The female variant is sometimes called a minerva.

[@machupikachu1085]

I thought it was called Moose Knuckles? At least that's what the Surf Punks told me....

[@wormbaby666]

@@machupikachu1085 Hehehehe! The view from the front may appear like a moose knuckle, mid-melvin. :D

[@Psilocybin77]

William Sadler said of his role as Death that the movie helps to make death less something to be scared of, and that's a good thing. I thought that was really thoughtful. William Sadler is an interesting guy and I suggest looking up interviews where he talks about his role in Bogus Journey. Finally, fun fact: Robert Alton Harris was executed in 1992 and his final words were, "You might be a King, or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper"....I guess he was a fan of Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.

[@gregbauer4433]

I'm surprised Mike didn't mention William Sadler's recurring role in DS9.

[@Psilocybin77]

@@gregbauer4433 and Mike calls himself a Star Trek fan....William Sadler was also in Shawshank Redemption and I didn't even realize that was him.

[@staceyann1180]

William Sadler is my favorite

[@teethreeemfore]

William Sadler is great in all the Darabont movies.

[@Psilocybin77]

@@teethreeemfore I refuse to watch green mile...I can only imagine those performances

[@f4fa971]

Mike: Jay explain to the folks at home who abraham lincoln is.

[@22Sangre]

I read this with a Norm Macdonald voice

[@StephenParlow]

@@notinspectorgadgetJay: "Allegedly!"

[@paprika3881]

DID YOU JUST WRITE THAT?

[@Mr1930s]

I heard Abraham Lincoln was a hypocrite

[@gpliskin]

"Now you're thinking like Gengis Khan!"

[@moc9893]

Bogus Journey has a real special place in my heart, William Sadler was my absolute favourite on it, it also introduced me to some great classic rock songs.

[@Goblincow]

Of course Mike would say the granny scene is “wonderful”. Of course he would love that.

[@Griffin1171-love-you-all]

RLM has a perpetual cricket in their studio to followup all bad jokes.

[@jacksonwilliams8971]

He’s on retainer

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

That's not a very nice way to talk about Macaulay Culkin!

[@redVanillaw]

Distracted Globe Productions Mr. McCulkin*

[@whatdothlife4660]

IT sounds exactly like my fridge door is open alarm and I hate it.

[@williamisenhower7967]

Thats just Jiminy. He claps for all their jokes.

[@maxmccracken3688]

Villain in the first movie was Teds dad, sending him to military school.

[@Avatar_of_Chairness]

They did dump a trashcan over his head, the classic way to dispatch a movie villain.

[@mr.bluesky4130]

That opening with George Carlin is just sublime, I’m very glad it was added in.

[@trixievonmothersbaugh1340]

I've become more of an Alex Winter over time. He directed a RHCP video, the hell scene in Bogus Journey, he made Freaked soon after which is totally worth seeing, and several documentaries. The hell scene's set design and colors really reminded me of 1920's German expressionism, especially The Cabinet Of Dr. Caligari.

[@machupikachu1085]

Woah!!!

[@SirJumphrey]

Kind of rude of Mike and Jay to just constantly talk over the Cricket while it was trying to give its opinion on the movies

[@polsdofer]

They're just mad the cricket had a bigger dong than them. I would be too.

[@WaveMurray]

Ted: "Excuse me, when did the Mongols rule China?" Circle K lady: "I don't know, I just work here"

[@radhinkabagaskara5595]

Truly, the peak of Keanu’s acting

[@ARMTOAST]

“something strange is afoot at circle k” always got to me, I don’t know why

[@dabear185]

I recently watched this movie on iqiyi, a Chinese video site, and this joke was cut from the movie.

[@CapitalMort]

My remember my drunken dad answering that question when it was on tv as a kid, he then berated the woman from the movie for not knowing the answer.

[@stufffstufffington]

@@dabear185 Yikes. This kind of thing really illustrates Dave Chappelle's point about how (paraphrasing) authoritarianism can't stand up to comedy.

[@headfangs]

Mike's upset the writers threw a monkey wrench in his Bill/Ted fanfiction with those princesses.

[@maloperverso8118]

Keanu Reeves is like the Only Dude that Actually looks Younger with a Beard!

[@JKurayami]

They are both Road Trip Movies, one is through time, one is through planes of existence.

[@philipfrisk805]

True enough, dude; nice observation.

[@jggiant4876]

I appreciate how far Jay is willing to go to prove that his likeness was borrowed when designing the Steve Rogers figure for Infinity War

[@pneumaticautist9364]

Lol Jay is Steve Roger's " before" pic

[@TheKitchenerLeslie]

Grunge and Nirvana wasn't until after Bogus Journey was shot and released. We were still in the Funk-Rap-Metal era.

[@AlexDeLarge1]

Bill & Ted is definitely a postmodern comedy film. One of the best of the 80s.

[@gudolph]

25:50 Jay edits the hi-five to sync with Mike opening a beer. I love you guys.

[@kevinbeelard6442]

Bill and Ted weren't speaking surfer lingo. They were speaking the male version of valley girl.

[@kingofpointless]

Which I'd argue are basically the same thing, with slightly different slang terms. I wonder if Frank Zappa hated surfer dudes too?

[@JacobLucasSorenson]

No way! thats how the guys in the snl skit the californians talk

[@biffodio]

@@kingofpointless I'd argue that they're different in multiple fundamental ways, especially idioms, focus words, high rising terminals, cadence, and delivery speed.

[@architeuthis3476]

I'm not sure, but I get the impression that was just how Keanu Reeves spoke until about 2005.

[@ens0246]

@@architeuthis3476 confirmed by Michael Rosenbaum.

[@dodolurker]

Since there are several actors in Bill & Ted movies that have appeared in multiple Star Trek episodes and Mike fails to mention Star Trek even once, I can only assume that Jay edited all of it out, with a maniacal grin on his face.

[@MrTravoltatron]

In addition to the only separate B&T moment being when they are in their own personal hells (mentioned by another user) also each version is bathed in the blue or red of both the 3D glasses they wear, and of their respective sides, on top of being separated. So in a way they aren't separated, still just halves of a whole.

[@EdwardTHead1776]

In case you didn't catch it; Ford's Theater is where Lincoln saw a hockey match or something. HISTORY!

[@Bonobo1974]

everybody knows it was a michael bay movie, but democrats suppressed that fact as such an elitist movie would alienate voters

[@NefariousKoel]

You nailled it. BOOM! Headshot.

[@ShadowTrailMedia]

Henry Ford commissioned the theater to be built in celebration of the 1000th version of his Model T. It was constructed from a liquid metal alloy that could mimic physical structures and had a tendency to veer toward Los Angeles, regardless of its current location.

[@luckyman3988]

The world needs Bill and Ted now more than ever. I'm not ashamed to say that I cried at the end of Bogus Journey.

[@joejoe2658]

there's your problem...

[@ianlum4788]

Ted's dad was an antagonist in the first one. If Ted wound up in military school, it would have changed the future.

[@ManOutofTime913]

Yeah, but the film isn't about confronting him; it's about proving that Bill & Ted aren't *completely* dumb. Just mostly dumb.

[@ianlum4788]

@@ManOutofTime913 Diet dumb 👍

[@maxcardun]

There was also a scrapped Scene in Bogus Journey where Bill & Ted have to fight the Robots by themselves and get killed by Evil Bill & Ted again. The Reaper brings them back because he lost so many games, leaving Bill & Ted to surprise attack their evil robot doubles from behind. It's more complicated then that but someday I hope that footage gets found, and they re-release the movie as an extended cut.

[@randalgraves6979]

I have the novelization and i read it 30 years ago, I don’t remember that but i do remember the giant bunny, exaggerated Col. Oates & Granny was in the book.

[@maxcardun]

@@randalgraves6979 Well the TPB of Bill & Ted's Excellent Comic Book has the Stage fight Scene complete with the 2nd Deaths.

[@randalgraves6979]

I only had the movie comic book as well as the actual book.

[@maxcardun]

@@randalgraves6979 The Movie Comic of Bill & Ted's Bugus Journey, and you don't remember "Bill & Ted ON THE MIKE" ?

[@waynesoller7611]

They’re not surfer dudes, they’re Valley boys.

[@nickchavarria8052]

Wayne Soller eh they’re not from California so I give em a pass

[@LucidOpticLab]

"The Valley" refers to San Fernando Valley. San Dimas is in San Gabriel Valley about an hour away if the traffics not death

[@ThisOldHat]

No, they are clearly whatever the male equivalent of a Bimbo is. A "Himbo" if you will.

[@brandontaylor3874]

@@LucidOpticLab But I guess "surfer but no ocean" is better for you? lol

[@philipfrisk805]

No, vally boys, belonging to the same demographic as valley girls, probably present as entitled and snobby, no? Bill and Ted stem from a more average middle class and don't act superior or entitled in any way. Down to earth fun-loving, big hearted, dumb guys.

[@cigarnewbie6436]

42:11 Someone needs to take Mike to a doctor immediately. He didn't mention the Star Trek episode where this actor, Roy Brocksmith, played the legendary Zakdorn strategist Sirna Kolrami, the Strategema master. Mike's failure to include this info is a sign that he's seriously ill.

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

Or drunk on Romulan Ale...again.

[@td23asus]

Uh oh, this is a medical emergency! Maybe it's the yoda dancr Alzheimers

[@philipfrisk805]

No, it's Jay that would have such detailed knowledge.

[@gregbauer4433]

Roy Brocksmith was also in DS9. He was the Bajoran Razka Karn in the 4th season episode "Indiscretion".

[@feebypeels2883]

Fun fact: "Faith No More guy" Jim Martin is a pumpkin farming champion.

[@neal2399]

...one can be a champion of pumpkin farming?

[@123612100]

@@neal2399 yeah, he grew huge pumpkins!

[@neal2399]

123612100 Excellent!

[@Blargaha]

I've never been as aroused as I was when Mike drunkenly started talking down my intelligence.

[@whitaker_]

Re: Gengis Khan So it happened when a gene bank was being built in Asia. The team noticed a specific sequence appeared in 10% of people. Ths begged the question, who was this common ancestor? Gengis hasn't bee confirmed, but its by far the best theory.

[@KasumiKenshirou]

I remember Patton Oswalt telling a story about his DNA results saying he was related to Genghis Khan.

[@mutate34]

@@KasumiKenshirou well he's such an aggressive warlord of a man i can believe it

[@chriswyble143]

The older, prisoner version of Bill, shown in the new trailer, makes me so nostalgic for The Idiot Box and Freak'd. Alex Winter is a shamefully underrated ham.

[@tawdryhepburn4686]

I totally agree!

[@doingstuffforreasons5837]

Ham

[@makasete30]

You guys should do Time Bandits next. That gem needs to be seen by many again!

[@thomasbicknell175]

YES

[@glitter_bombed]

I only saw these for the first time a couple years ago because I assumed these were just dumb movies that somehow had endured through the years, and I was pleasantly surprised. Mostly I was surprised that at no point does the stupidity of the main characters become annoying or frustrating. They’re like golden retrievers, their heads are full of air and love.

[@HoxMouse]

lmao exactly, it's a good natured himbo time travel story

[@NoriMori1992]

That's such a perfect description 😂 "full of air and love", God that's perfect.

[@bonzibuddy4483]

Despite having a collection of R-rated horror movies as a kid the comic granny scene from bogus journey is one of only a few that ever gave me nightmares.

[@AC3handle]

what about Large Marge?

[@Wagoo]

I love that Alex Winter is playing his own granny, too

[@brew1116]

@@AC3handle I still don't entirely remember what Large Marge looked like because I always had to leave the room.

[@AC3handle]

@@Wagoo I wonder if The Idiot Box is still available. It was a late night show that Alex Winter did for MTV for a while.

[@AC3handle]

It was Courage the Cowardly dog level of claymation horror.

[@laserbeamlightning]

So glad that in honor of this, Jay got Keanu's haircut

[@Shundi879]

Fun fact: Stephen Herek has directed THREE episodes of the Hawaii Five-0 reboot. (He also directed quite a few more movies, including The Might Ducks).

[@7superdaimajin]

Herek also directed the 101 Dalmations remake which earned more money than all of Quentin Tarantino's movies combined (up to that time). Take that, Jay! Now who's the film buff?

[@randalgraves6979]

And Denomalos was in the Mighty Ducks 🧐

[@machupikachu1085]

Yeah! He's not a nobody! :D

[@thesmilingvagrants]

The best kind of art sets itself up as something that you think you've already seen a million times before showing what makes it unique

[@MegaDratsab]

Mike moves for a vote of no confidence in his audience's general knowledge.

[@dickmobster4043]

I feel like it got kinda obnoxious being told I don't have a basic high school education over and over

[@DanDoel]

Mike seems to have lost the ability to distinguish between basic concepts people are taught in high school and dated pop culture trivia that is worthless for anyone to know.

[@tanstaafl1301]

I dunno...it can be argued that the modern educational system (meaning anyone about 22 or younger) has utterly failed to teach anything about actual history. I work with several millennials and (at risk of painting with a broad brush) they are just ignorant about history - especially as concerns Western Civilization (from ancient Greece through the Romans and the Germans and the eventual Renaissance and Enlightenment). Western Civ is White patriarchy and Colonialism dontchya know (if they can capitalize Black I can capitalize White). For the record I am of a similar age to our heroes (graduated high school in 1988) and while that makes me an old and cranky 'boomer' (not really), I fail to see how that nullifies all I have learned over the years. Young people can be shockingly ignorant of the past. Michal Crichton once said: 'if you don't know history you are like a leaf that doesn't realize it is part of a tree' (or something similar). Just a thought, posted in a wildly inappropriate place.

[@jimmym3352]

Thing is I knew all those things. But that just shows my age, not my general knowledge. Since many of his references were of things us people who grew up in the 80's and 90's knew. Even the Oedipus thing is widely known, especially if you've heard the Doors song The End. I haven't heard about his theory on the gay have to have girlfriend thing, but that's his personal theory which I disagree with. Girlfriends are added to the movie to appeal to female audiences, not to reassure insecure guys that the main characters aren't gay. Love interests are almost always added to movies to appeal to women (or what studio execs think women want, they tend to be outdated).

[@cinnamonnoir2487]

We'd better be careful, or he'll vote us out of our chairs and seize the audience powers himself. ...Of course, then he'd have to watch his own videos, so maybe he'd better not.

[@roflcopter_launchpad1116]

Mike's elitist tendencies have finally escaped his subconscious, and he is now actively telling the audience how stupid he thinks they are.

[@ens0246]

Coming from a man who believes in ghosts 😂

[@bombtwenty3867]

And the podcaster lambastes directors who made an actually popular movie because they work on TV.

[@allluckyseven]

In beer lies the truth.

[@dannyboy5008]

Coincidental considering they're discussing Sigmund Freud

[@biggusdickus1689]

I love it.

[@moviemoth4192]

In the 1st movie i thought the dad was supposed to be a villain of sorts. Not a evil villain but he wants to separate bill and Ted. Both those movies meant so much to me as a kid. Always comforting to watch.

[@joedent3323]

Minge.

[@NoriMori1992]

Yeah, the dad is definitely a villain, but I think Mike forgot because he's so much in the background.

[@iBluefoot]

Reference Explained: You may remember the antiquated term from the 80s “valley girl”. Bill and Ted are “valley boys”. Not an official term, but they existed in Southern California at the time and were confused for “surfer dudes” even then.

[@willberman1562]

The term you’re looking for is Himbos

[@teachcomix5612]

"Shut Up, Ted!" sticks in my mind as one of the first jokes about the 80's phenomena of skyrocketing divorce rates and dads with suddenly much younger new girlfriends and wives. Something me and all my friends could relate to, but were mad about, at the time

[@Belgand]

My biggest question is whether Ted asked her to prom when she was still going to school with them or after she married Bill's dad.

[@dansmith1661]

Not like women built divorce laws to favor them when they found the next young husband to replace the old.

[@Belgand]

@@Ludzig While we know she was a senior when they were freshmen, we don't know if that's when Ted asked her out.

[@inr9751]

@@dansmith1661 Do all right-wingers have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to women or is it just me?🤔

[@itsd0nk]

@@inr9751 let’s not over generalize an entire group of people here. There’s probably two or three of them that don’t, and that’s unfair to lump them in with such a generalization. /s

[@styfen]

8:35 "They don't say bodacious..." Uhhh. Mike. They literally call the Princesses 'Bodacious babes'. Superlatives are one of their defining traits, and bodacious is among the most famous!

[@13lood13ath]

25:49 - I like how you timed opening the beer with them giving a high five.

[@narev6569]

I'm stoked for B&T 3. It sounds like a labor of love for Keanu and Alex.

[@Pneubeteube]

When Jay says "Party on dudes" his secret accent sneaks out

[@satiregoat41]

Very northern-America, an almost Canadian-twang that’s found in northern states like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, etc.

[@nitrologly]

@@SpirusOfH His Fargo accent comes out

[@SuperDrunkdragon]

Minnesota, don'tcha know

[@ewwpoorpeople5684]

Always reminds me that I'll never escape this shit-hole state

[@mrkeogh]

@@SuperDrunkdragon Uh-huh, oohkay.

[@yagamifire7861]

"Station!" is a paradox joke. It's set-up throughout the movie as a weird phrase used kind of like "Cool" with no explanation and then the alien Station shows up and it can only say "Station". Bill & Ted give their career-making performance in front of an audience and Station says "Station!" with the crowd. That phrase clearly goes on to become super popular all the way into the future as evidenced in the beginning of the film. It's one of the more clever jokes in the movie which is why HACK FRAUDS Jay & Mike didn't understand it because they're HACK FRAUDS. UNSUBSCRIBED & DOWNVOTED FOR HACK FRAUDERY

[@nonyabusniss7777]

i agree

[@gangrenouslimb]

I totally agree. I'm tempted to write a strongly worded letter.

[@kommissar.murphy]

RLM CANCELLED!

[@TemmiePlays]

on that, I always figured they named them " station ? even as a group, simialrly to Bill and Ted being counted as one person all the time.

[@mikeogden1980]

Yeah I thought that was pretty obvious if you've seen the film more than once. I thought it was pretty clever. I hope Station shows up in the third film.

[@KidIkarus]

Bogus Journey is such an underrated sequel to a film that, really, didn’t necessarily need one to begin with. But holy shit, what a sequel, it’s always to me come across as a nightmarish psychedelic fever dream, and I put it right alongside Gremlins 2 as an out of left field surprise continuation of the OG film. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@JohnGraves1985]

Not sure how Bogus Journey is underrated when it's widely considered better than Excellent Adventure.

[@gaarastar57]

The fact that Mike doesn't bring up that the possessed police guy was in Star Trek angers me.