Bill Simmons on Siakam Trade and Championship Pressure Index | The Lowe Post

[@cormacgannon107]

Shoutout Zach and Bill for somehow making this look like it was recorded over zoom lmao - need this duo more than once a year though !

[@schuylerkrizay6192]

i dont understand how Ryen Russilo has 10 x better cameras than sports media mogul Bill Simmons

[@AWEinAwake]

The way I kept checking my settings to see if KZbin automatically picked the lowest resolution 🙃

[@Conzore]

If the ringer put this out they’d be sitting at a table in one shot. No doubt. Blame espn

[@blas_de_lezo7375]

nice to see the two old pals in the same place, always feels better.

[@tb7667]

I could listen to bill and Zach talk fake trades for 10 hours.

[@fivestarhunnit]

Lo key

[@jasonwattier283]

I could listen to them talk basketball endlessly

[@HKim0072]

I remember Zach's first BS report appearance. And, he was terrible, lol. But, he was always a great writer and just needed more reps on the audio part. He's the best NBA writer / analyst currently. Bill is more like Jamie Moyer or Tim Wakefield at this point. Just out there for the fun of it.

[@OutsideDuhBox]

If only the camera was better 😅

[@RolandoEsprit]

Zach fits with The Ringer so much more than he does at ESPN

[@HKim0072]

Zach probably has a 7 figure deal with ESPN. It's well deserved.

[@conorw077]

Great to see you used the same cameras from day one Grantland

[@OotoriKyouya]

I'm actually glad that this podcast is uncensored for once

[@sadakathossain3133]

Saying Siakam can't be the second best player on a title team when he has already been the second best player on a title team is levels of raptors erasure that I should be used to by now, but I am not.

[@benmann1896]

Windhorst and the Tims did the same thing on the Hoop Collective.

[@Albeesqware]

To be fair that was what? 5 years ago? Isn’t siakam like 31 now?

[@ernesto8290]

@@Albeesqware and like once, I don't wanna say that run was lucky but the timing was perfect.

[@mollyweir9350]

He is a hater b/c Siakam as an unknown proven to do what the 2 J's on Celtics couldn't do.

[@mollyweir9350]

​@@AlbeesqwareSiakam is 29. It doesn't matter he was 24 and an unknown. Stop hating!

[@theronwalker6772]

Bill Simmons, Pascal Siakam has proven to be a #2 on a Championship Caliber team already.

[@Tom_TTT]

Lowry was the real #2 on that team

[@faithfuljohn]

@@Tom_TTTLowry was the most important player on those Raptors, but his offense wasn't the reason. Siakam was easily the 2nd best offensive player (and it wasn't even close)

[@king_supreme1102]

@@faithfuljohnnot to mention a good defensive player as well

[@ckthegreat100]

@@faithfuljohnit was definitely close lol. I’m pretty sure Lowry averaged more PPG in the finals

[@easy.54]

Two of my favorite basketball journalists/analysts, Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe

[@OkieDoke-mo1co]

Love this pod - for some reason I love listening to the basketball dorks much more than the former basketball players.

[@MrOctober44]

Former players are much more protective of each other, generally don't know the history of the game. I doubt most players would know Fo, Fo, Fo.

[@pratikseetharam259]

This is the best podcast duo. No doubt in my mind at all!

[@kalebduggar4251]

I should really watch Bill’s podcast more often. All that comes up in my feed is the rewatchables.

[@JP-jd8wr]

Why do people keep saying Siakam can't be the 2md best player on a title team? He WAS in 2019 already imo. Lowry had some good games and so to FVV but Siakam was the best sidekick to Kawhi if you paid attention.

[@RonFast]

"Kawhi Leonard and Pascal Siakam combined for 1,187 points this postseason, tied with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen for 2nd-most by a duo in a single postseason in NBA history. Only LeBron James and Dwyane Wade had more in 2012 (1,222)"

[@michaelturley3457]

@@RonFastLowry still created more points by a significant margin factoring in assists though. And had the higher eFG%. Really I think that team was like the Mavs, they were Robin by committee, Siakam wasn’t the #2 in the way we normally mean it, he averaged 16.9 in the regular season. Lowry was the second leading ball handler. Van Fleet was the one who felt like he hit the most big shots besides Kawhi. Gasol was captain of the defense. All four of them played massive roles and I don’t think you can say any of them was clearly the second best guy and they stepped up in different series. Gasol was important vs the Bucks.

[@michaelturley3457]

@@RonFastalso that stat is super misleading because it punishes people that breezed through the playoffs like Kobe-Shaq, Curry-Durant, Wade-LeBron, LeBron-Kyrie, all those duos averaged more combined per game in their best years

[@kalu8652]

The key for the Pacers will be Mathurin. If he becomes an all star caliber player, that gives them a legitimate big 3. Also going to push back on Siakam not being a #2 on a championship team. Have we not seen teams win it all with a #2 like Murray, Wiggins, Middleton recently? Are you really saying Siakam, a guy who has been a #2 on a title team before, isn't on the same level as those guys? The key really is Haliburton taking a leap into the superstar tier, and he has pretty much done it this season. Only thing left for him to do is prove it in the playoffs.

[@squintz2103]

Siakam is easily better than all of those guys even before Wiggins forgot how to play basketball and Middleton decided he could only play half the games a season and 1/3 of those games he sucks. Currently, it's not even a conversation, siakam is way better.

[@rickybasel9686]

SIAKAM WAS already the no. 2 guy on championship team.

[@mccullochmike]

Let's remember that Siakam had 32 points on 14/17 shooting, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal and 2 blocks in game 1 of the Finals vs. Golden State. He was top 3 in the team averaging 37.1 minutes. Lowry averaged 37.5 minutes while Kawhi averaged 39.1. He was their 2nd leading scorer averaging 19 points. Kawhi averaged 30.5 while Lowry averaged 15. He had a .470 shooting percentage second only to Kawhi at .490. Lowry was the guy who stirred the drink. Kawhi was the man. But I'd argue that Siakam was their #2. When you have a player with a proven track record that Siakam does, I wouldn't discount him. And he's better today than he was in 2019.

[@rickybasel9686]

@@kb5509 no my friend. There is a reason why there stats of comparison being showed as leonard and siakam points total to jordan and pippen. Which in itself is wild. Im absolutely not down playing Lowry. But he wasnt no. 2.

[@schuylerkrizay6192]

also Siakam was LITERALLY the 2nd best player on a CHAMPION lol

[@Tom_TTT]

Love the take on the Raptors trade. 3 firsts and Brown is a better offer than Hunter (bust), Griffin (out of the rotation) and a future first.

[@I3oucher]

lowe and simmons are the equivelent ti kobe and shaq, great pod

[@SW0329]

PLEASE MORE SIMMONS & LOWE PODS ALL 2024!!

[@ryone21]

Bill still hating on Toronto, Pascal not the number 2 on a championship team??? Man 2019 must be a breakup year for Simmons

[@carterbowers4366]

His Boston bias shining

[@Iamrxch3]

Bill was spot on with the Embiid-Ewing comparison

[@itsthebear312]

BB is criminally underrated, when Hali went out he started going 17/5/5/2 like it was nothing. He's an excellent 3rd/4th starter and like Masai said about Jakub - trading a first rounder for a starter is great value. They'll hold on to him if they don't get at least a first, but I'd imagine they would also take a project player and some seconds. Kira Lewis fit Masai's mould about underlooked or underperforming players that he mentioned in his press conference (which is well worth a watch)

[@seabass9043]

I will never grow tired of seeing the trauma the Miami Heat have inflicted on Bill Simmons

[@bookabaka1074]

Crazy thing is siakim is one of the rare robins to win a championship in the last 7 years and we’ve actually seen him play that role at a high level but plenty of dudes get anointed the “2nd best player on a championship team” where they’ve never been to a championship and siakim one who has won it as a second best player gets labeled the 3rd best player title when he’s actually better then he was back then, it just depends what team you put him on

[@carterstilllive]

Zach usually controls the show but Simmons completely took over every topic on this one lol

[@carterbowers4366]

I don’t know how bill could have a massive following and be unable to remember that pascal was the second best player on a championship team

[@carterbowers4366]

I bet he thinks jaylen brown could be tho

[@ongs.-h.7297]

In person but still with Zoom quality video, lol

[@romeobodeodo]

For the record, I lived in Portland for 30 years. It's fairly hilly, but even in the relatively flatter areas, during a nice storm, it's extremely difficult to travel. Given the value of Ayton's health, it was entirely reasonable for him not to risk injury to make a game. Plus high value property is in the hills in Portland. During an ice storm, nobody is going anywhere if they live in the hills.

[@kalebduggar4251]

Man I love Bill Simmons for that exact reason. He tells it like it is. 1:01:58

[@вернат]

Great great podcast. The discussion about trades really shows you how fine-grained a front office's thinking has be to build a team that can get the championship

[@rickyisme1230]

Love this guys talk basketball ❤

[@whitshane3511]

The Stepien rule is not ONLY about protecting teams, it's about protecting fan bases from terrible decisions.

[@williammcmurtrie871]

I think you will change that rating between 40-60 once Pascal gets on that loaded 3 point shooting team. It’s so spread out he’s going have fun. Pacers are #1 scoring team in the paint. #2 in transition. It’s nice to get the deal done before the deadline also. More time to get used to each other. I think the Pacers will feel like they can compete and make a run rather you believe that or not. Hey how about Jarace Walker and TJ McConnell in Sacramento last night?! To me everything is going right for the Pacers.

[@king_supreme1102]

Totally agree. 40-60 is already really disrespectful if I’m being honest. Not to mention he’s going to be even better in Indy.

[@zubairkaisar1293]

Reminds me of the old Grantland days. Those were the best hoops podcasts

[@jwise15]

Zach the voice sounds good and natural with this recording. I hate the artificial down pitch that happens on your “studio” recordings

[@amb86]

Man really miss these guys together....bring back the grantland nostalgia

[@TimothyFitzgerald-s8w]

Is it Christmas? Best basketball podcasters hands down

[@HKim0072]

Love Zach Lowe. A couple of funny points: - he's still using paper - he has copious amounts of paper - obviously, he does a lot of prep for podcasts since he has a lot of paper / notes

[@amare32131]

Did Simmons really just say that no one ever mentions Tatum’s age?? 😂

[@michaelturley3457]

lol to be fair no one ever mentioned the fact that he’s still only 19 anymore

[@TheRulersBack18]

the tatum thing boils down to this: every time he plays miami, he has much more talent, and every time the series is basically jimmy's to win or lose. the one time he made it past jimmy, he got to the finals and had an awful series, but the media is so invested in him being a superstar that they ignore it. in his conference finals/finals games, he's averaging 23 points on 44% shooting, 33.6% from 3. that's just not good enough for a superstar

[@shanepoitras1716]

this is incredible content

[@DharmYogi]

Great discussion

[@Sam................]

Bill and Zach's relationship reminds me of me and my cats relationship. Good energy 😂

[@thomashigginsmusic]

Watching this video and as they were talking about the terry rozier to the heat trade I get the notification that it happened lolol

[@jazzprincemusic]

These are the best videos to fall asleep to

[@jerpinel2628]

Mee tooo. Would love to sit w Zach and talk hoops

[@TheRounder]

Your comment on Siakim not being the second best guy on a championship team, did you not watch the 2019 Toronto Raptors at all?

[@AdamLovesHorror]

That Steph to Charlotte conversation is why Bill is a tough listen. Why would Charlotte want Steph and Klay to then lose Ball, players and four first round picks that are insanely valuable? Never!

[@Jonteponte71]

Because they have been atrocious for decades and Steph is from Charlotte? And it's just a discussion, not something that will actually happen.

[@AdamLovesHorror]

@@Jonteponte71 it would never ever ever happen. Paying fans would not want to lose Melo and 4 firsts just to have Steph be here and it win anymore games for a decade. That’s my point, it’s a completely pointless conversation. It would be like discussing if Cleveland wants to trade a bunch of guys and picks to have Lebron retire a Cav

[@gaiusvelleius]

I´d say that´s why he´s a good listen. It´s just entertaining

[@AdamLovesHorror]

@@gaiusvelleius for you that’s fine, my argument here is that I find impossible trade talks a waste of the listeners time. But it’s only my opinion and people are certainly entitled to disagree with me.

[@lisaaaaa777]

best nba podcast not by an nba or ex nba player

[@alexsainsbury2176]

I used to play an 8 hour youtube video of t.v. poker when i went to bed. With Gabe Kaplin. Its randomly the most soothing thing ever lol.

[@Dominomfer]

Siakam has already been the 2nd option on a championship team. 2019 Raptors. That’s his groove, not as the last shot taker.

[@donflo3]

I scrolled past this. I thought I saw the words “Ben Simmons” and “trade” in the same sentence. Glad I doubled back. 😮‍💨 😅

[@mikehuly4208]

filmed on an iphone 2

[@myrdin9216]

Tyus Jones is easily worth a first round pick. It is not only because of Ja's suspension and injury that Grizzlies are bad. Tyus Jones was a very important part of their team and contributes a lot to winning, He would be a fantastic point guard off the bench for a contender.

[@gaborkiss650]

If we could get through just one Simmons video without Lakers and LeBron hate. JUST ONE! Poor Lowe trying to fight him without getting kicked out of the house.

[@Fl01892]

Would have been great to have the VIDEO a bit earlier, bc the Pod itself came out way earlier and I prefer the YT Version

[@joezim4254]

Best basketball writers out there

[@superteerev]

no one think of Joe Montana, or Jerry Rice when discussing the bay area?

[@tclem14]

Masai is cooking

[@kennethdean35]

Dope Show!

[@JasonSmith-pe5py]

Bill hasnt said a word since Denver ended their home streak...not that ive heard. But it is funny people criticize Tatum for his playoff career-HES BEEN TO 5 CONFERENCE FINALS & 1 FINALS I THINK! Im a Nugget fan but Embied hasnt played in 1 conference final yet.

[@winterfoxcloud]

the yin & yang of nba media

[@var1ables854]

@12:50 He lives in the hills of west linn, OR. From my understanding in a private community - so no regular snow plow/de-icing could be done. He lives on a steep hill and probably didn't de-ice the ground prior to the snow/ice coming in - not that it would matter all the roads were prepped and still got turned to sheets of ice on the second day of the ice storm. Apparently the team tried to send people out to get him/help him from the bottom - they couldn't even get to his drive way. The roads out here in the PNW were not ready for this degree of ice.

[@nuggz720]

Thanks for dressing up Bill😂

[@kalebduggar4251]

Can anyone else find the Jordan Wizard’s offensive team rating? 1:25:47

[@marcovalentini5741]

I am tiered of the idea that Raptors were going to lose Siakam. Siakam wanted to re-sign. But Masai did not want to give him a super max. ( I hate kissing him- but it was a choice)

[@MEpurgolders]

Saying Jrue is good for a few 30 point games in the playoffs is wild. He has 1 30 point game in the last 3 years in the playoffs.

[@rickybasel9686]

Toronto should trade Poetl and Brown to Okc. Should bring a very good haul of picks and young players. Addresses all need for OKC as well.

[@petecarter6520]

OKC doesnt seem too interested in trades

[@PWCDN]

@@petecarter6520I feel like OKC isn't serious about winning a chip yet, they just want a winning record to keep SGA happy. Sam Presti is like a wizard in his tower and nobody knows whats on his mind.

[@deanwinchester6654]

Definitely will trade brown, teams will want him. Poetl they just traded a first rounder for him. He's young as well.

[@BadP0tat0]

Why nobody mentioned anyone from Denver outside of Jokic to go to ASW?? Murray? MPJ for 3pt and AG for Dunk contest :)

[@eboooo]

Man having KD on the Wizards would have been ❤.

[@blaqhawk2k918]

Poetl to OKC can be interesting, but we need him more. Maybe if OKC gives us a 2024 FRP and two SRPs.

[@willdean-stobie5730]

They should target an extra 2025 pick if they are looking for more picks. 3 picks in 2024 is plenty.

[@blaqhawk2k918]

@@willdean-stobie5730 You know what? I think you're right!

[@mollyweir9350]

We need to keep Yak. He has a high BBIQ & will be good for our defense until we can get another big. He is very low maintenance & fit in Darko's offense.

[@dimitrijetucovic1307]

Grantland days 🥺🥺🥺❤❤❤

[@BenWeiss-f9p]

Lol grantland garbage

[@dimitrijetucovic1307]

@@BenWeiss-f9p Get a life, loser.

[@JamboNo5_]

VHS Bill and Zack

[@DJ-ex8qh]

Bill really said Siakam isn’t the second best player on a championship team? Does he have amnesia and forget 2019? He as was at worse 2b to Lowry 2a and Kawhi.

[@TheRulersBack18]

on some level, simmons has to be trolling with his continued support of durant to the warriors

[@RJ_873]

You have to remember, this guy (Bill) is the number one LeBron hater, right up there with Skip Bayless. KD stole at least one ring from LBJ during those years in GS. He will always love him for that.

[@Sargent-Mike]

Bill saying pascal isn't a second option on a championship team is hilarious when you remember he was literally the second option on the 2019 raptors

[@cuppal1969]

Siakam can be the 2nd best player on a championship team. He was the 2nd best player on 2019 championship team. Come on guys.

[@nuggz720]

how about julian strawthers and a pick for Bruce Brown back in a Nuggets uniform?

[@SquidysTents]

All star game should be the best 24 players in the whole league regardless of conferences in my opinion

[@antoniomichaeldowning3084]

Sorry Bill but Siakam has ALREADY been the second best player on a Championship Team: Pascal Siakam averaged 19.8 points, 7.5 rebounds and 3.7 assists in 6 games in the 2019 NBA Finals.

[@redalert2progames501]

Raps did well in this trade. Wish siakam all the best! Ps we don’t want Harris anyway ✌🏻

[@pangstasparadise]

Boy do I hate multiple comments saying EXACTLY the same thing

[@unstruck]

Ummm... who wants to tell Bill htat SIakam has already been the second-best player on a championship team?

[@omar8745]

why tf do Bam and Ag have pressure? wild stuff from bill

[@alexlol3260]

Cameras are from the prohibition era too Bill

[@Rocco_Co]

All NBA is pretty easy ATM: 1st: Jokic, Doncic, SGA, Giannis, Tatum 2nd: Embiid, Haliburton, Curry, Markkanen, Durant 3rd: Sabonis, Mitchell, Edwards, Kawhi, AD

[@skozy3]

Why werent Luka, Kyrie and the Mavs up there? Is there no pressure on the mavs? Especially shouldnt be less than Chet Porzingis and Gobert

[@alexandrebittencourttande3264]

Oh my god, Bill! Again with the Curry trade?! 😆You can't help it!

[@s0sa1ty]

WHY IS ESPN PRODUCING CONTENT ON AN 07 MOTO RAZR LOL

[@kalebduggar4251]

Caruso is THAT guy that is gonna come up in the clutch. 1:03:17

[@kalebduggar4251]

He did it in LA, he did it in college. He would do it in Chicago , but they haven’t bought into him and he’s not the guy that’s going to rock the boat to call for the shot. He’s not afraid to take it, but he’s not going out of his way to tell others how it is or should be. 1:04:29

[@kalebduggar4251]

Right there yes!!! Lavine to Toronto Brown to 6ers. God I love you Simmons. I hope morrey is watching this!!! 1:08:06

[@sethhussey5804]

Rozier to the heat for lowry... nice call

[@razkable]

Having giannis is like having shaq jokic mj lebron duncan curry hakeem magic bird...he raises your team ceiling for sure....can't count out the bucks if healthy if they play him 44 minutes

[@williamchoi364]

Siakam was the 2nd best player in the Raptors 2019 title...

[@eddsworldlover]

Bill won't stop until the consensus on Bron is that he's a terrible player, but when it comes to KD he coddles him so much just bc they use to do pods together

[@PWCDN]

Losing FVV for nothing was the biggest mistake the Raptors did. Conventional wisdom is if a guy doesn't extend before an upcoming UFA (like Siakam), you trade him. But of course, you also can't blame them since they probably didn't get great offers. Rockets incredibly overpaid lol and are a sub-500 team this moment. Trading for Poeltl actually wasn't that bad for a starting center for 1FRP.

[@themediumprofessor]

So I think Kyrie & KD both had something to prove (namely that they could be on Steph/LeBron's level respectively) and so they decided to do it together in Brooklyn. If they think the benefits of bringing in Harden outweigh the risk of having a fantasy basketball team, maybe they sign off on that again, and maybe it works had two out of three stayed healthy in the Bucks series. The risk won out in reality and if Kyrie doesn't force his way out, KD's probably still in Brooklyn trying to make it work. I could honestly see KD on the Kawhi Spurs, not knowing that Kawhi would have to deal with being injured so often. He's been a victim of all the player movement and the inconsistency of guys who would be worthy costars (AD, Embiid, Tatum, Kawhi, PG, Kyrie). Pretty much to a man, all the guys who were still All-NBA level were inconsistent due to health or not having the offensive oomph you need to win the title. Kyrie was an EXCELLENT complement to KD on the court (Steph was, too) but.....ain't everybody that's built like LeBron. I think he saw Booker from 2019-21 and said "there's a guy who will put the ball in the hole when we need it or I can't and give his all off the court." Very few guys in the last 20 years we can say that about. Kobe, Wade, LeBron, KD, Dirk, Curry, Dame, Book, Jokic, and now SGA.

[@dprestons0318]

is Towns going to be the Big Cat or the Big Kitten? (For years he has been known as the "Big Kitten" because of his soft play).

[@lancermz21]

Was this filmed with a flip phone?

[@razkable]

Everyone forgets they took the east champ boston 7 games without middleton in 2022 and last year giannis got hurt half way into game 1 and missed games 2 through 4 of the heat series and wasn't close to 100% for game 5 last season....giannis has not been figured out

[@francisdelacruz6439]

So lowrie was the 2nd best when Kawhi went crazy in Toronto? One could argue its Siakam

[@danielduncan6370]

Bill pretending like he’s pissed about somthing he just realized is a thing is just hilarious

[@intercessor8428]

Listen to this lineup Turner 5 Smith 4 Pascal 3 neismith 2 Tyrese 1 top 🎩 fasho