The Most Incompetent NBA Draft of the 2000s | Bill Simmons’s Book of Basketball 2.0 | The Ringer

[@gio7388]

If it wasn’t for injury Brandon Roy is easily the best player in this draft.

[@aquamarine99911]

But teams knew about the injury before the draft. That's why Raps didn't draft him. Would rather have Lowry.

[@The_Flagrant2]

facts. we did a whole blazers GOAT convo and discussed B Roy in depth. Check it out!

[@MoonwalkerKing-gc5jm]

Even with the injury's for me he is the best player in the draft

[@CheefChaos]

Blame the organization, they rushed him back to play the Suns in the playoffs

[@howisthatgay4275]

Giovani Alexander he had bad knees coming in so he was always gonna get hurt in any universe

[@LJChibueze]

It’s crazy watching this now how on point house is on his prediction about Rondo’s potential success with the Lakers

[@33moneyball]

“Playoff Rondo” has been a thing for many years and he was on an obvious title contender that lacked talent after AD/LeBron. Not that great of a prediction.

[@Haaaveeyy]

Yeah he definitely added to his legacy! He was truthfully the 3rd best player on the team.

[@chaidez1402]

came looking for this comment

[@sixfoot4ever]

I didn’t even see the date until I heard that comment and was like woah wait what and came for this comment

[@johnvaughan8239]

⁠@@33moneyballcalling the Lakers a title contender that lacked talent after AD/LeBron kind of belies your point my man.

[@warriors1313]

"JJ will play for another 7 years" *retires 6 months later*

[@CanYouDigIt34]

"Rondo may have a half chapter still left in this upcoming playoffs in 2020". An half a chapter he had.

[@Avocado11]

Now he has another half chapter coming up with the Cavs.

[@mthedu]

Bill Simmons. "I landed on Rajon Rondo". Here's his objective reason......he's a biased Celtics fan. :)

[@nickharris7048]

1st overall pick secured

[@misternogood]

I run into Brandon Roy in Seattle every now and then, dude is legit a great guy and he's always with his family when I see him. True class act.

[@razkable]

dude was the better joe johnson...if not for kobe he would have a 1st team all nba probably.....joe like mitch richmond never could elevate his game or team but roy imo could..he had a sneaky d wade like game ..he would end up with 26 7 and 6 and 2 1 and you were like how?...he was such a killer

[@Numbers21589302]

He’s a really down to earth guy, never seemed to let the fame get to his head. Damn shame for injuries he was great to watch when he was healthy

[@thatPSNguy99]

nigga mouzone

[@camdencapps6894]

He’s a great high school coach now, I wonder if Washington will hire him one day to resurrect that dead program

[@hoppy23]

@@razkable he's more forgotten the most people as good as he was as well probably bc he had like 1 big yesr then was out the league but arenas and others are far more talked about

[@jordan12118]

I remember in 2013 Aldridge had a game on a random Thurday night against James Harden, Dwight Howard and the Rockets and had 31 points and 25 Rebounds. Still one of the best games I've seen played

[@razkable]

in the 2014 playoffs didn't he put up like 40 and 20 lol..

[@eboooo]

Was that during run through the tape?

[@eboooo]

It had to be on TNT right?

[@jpatw80]

Never missed a fadeaway

[@alexiscando5709]

He dominated the Harden and Dwight in that playoff series... Him and Dame Lillard are unstoppable... Too bad they run against the 2014 Spurs in the 2nd round that season

[@leonzaduncan2438]

Rondo Chicago team was up 2-0 on Boston before he got hurt.

[@josearzon6807]

They are very bias with boston here lol

[@josearzon6807]

And you can feel the laker hate too lollll

[@richardmather1906]

@@comedychrises"Jimmy Butler and D Wade’s team" Yeah. And with Rondo, they win the first two in Boston. Without Rondo, they lose four straight. Rondo was controlling the games and the series. If he does not get hurt, it would have been a huge upset. So what does he do? Goes to the Pelicans and engineers a huge upset there.

[@makyostars]

@@josearzon6807 I'm a boston fan but more often than not I just want Bill to just shut up about the Celtics. It really gets annoying.

[@GreenEyesGian]

@@richardmather1906 all that is true, but Rondo isn't 3rd pick overall. 3rd pick is (hopefully) somebody you can build around IMHO and you just don't build around Rondo. And at the very least you just don't pick Rondo over B-Roy unless you can predict the future. That's just a case of hindsight 20/20 if I ever saw one

[@vondon3387]

They need to add some commentary on what people said about these players when they were drafted, even what they said about them over the years and add more footage of the players playing during the time frame they're speaking about.

[@ProfessaJ]

ya but that would take actual production value

[@bluepenguin3686]

Would be next level! Even just like pop up video... have some stats about the guy pop up.

[@lifeofkai5320]

That was such a special night

[@johnvaughan8239]

I think you’re missing the point of what they are trying to do. If it was just one guy, or even two guys, talking then I would agree with you. But with three different people I think it works better this way. Also, the vast majority of Bill Simmons content is done as a podcast. So these weren’t primarily intended for KZbin. So they just filmed themselves doing the podcasts so they could upload them to KZbin as well as having the podcast available for download.

[@josephmatthews7698]

Look man, you wanna listen to three random dudes talk about sports or not? So take your notes, wad em up into tiny little basketballs and shove em directly in front of a couple friends before learning how to edit and start your own sports channel because that sounds legit.

[@mikecs14]

Bill “when I was doing NBA countdown” Simmons

[@alexandermendez4653]

When ESPN was focused on credibilty

[@andysauro1500]

Rajon Rondo is the poster child of people who turn it up in the playoffs. 4th all-time triple doubles post-season, everyone knows the guy is one of the best defensive point guards ever, can lead a team wherever he goes. Hell, he was crushing in Chicago during the playoffs when he got hurt.

[@slickeddy2000]

Rondo can only thrive with prime top level talent

[@carlyata1]

One of the best defensive point guards ever, huh? Reaching much?

[@SmartWentCrazy.]

@@slickeddy2000 Out of all college players in 06-07 Rondo had a steal rate that was literally double any other player in college. I think the steal rate stat was defined as the percent of times a player strips the ball from the opponent he is guarding. So a somewhat percise stat, but a very interesting one. I think his was 18%. Ainge said that this stat was the primary reason he took rondo. His one on one defense was just head and shoulders above everyone else. They also cited his 2.1 steals in those 66 playoff games over his celtic years.

[@slickeddy2000]

Nicholas Strezynski okay Rondo went to Kentucky which is a college that always gets good talent. So Rondo always had good teammates

[@elbowgang9715]

@@slickeddy2000 Kentucky was actually pretty garbage after 2003 until Calipari got there. Name one great player from Kentucky during the mid-2000s you cant cuz Keith Bogans and Tayshaun Prince were the last good players until Rondo. Louisville had taken over in that rivalry too

[@hays170159]

House nailed the "bubble Rondo will be key for the Lakers" call

[@luckypozzo3068]

Rondo used to eat guys like Lowry for lunch. How quickly they forget. Aldridge unquestionably best player before, during, and after this draft. I will never forget when bulls traded rights to Aldridge for Tyrus. Bad move then, bad move now.

[@danbarber7890]

Lool your trippin Lowry is better than rondo

[@jordan12118]

@@danbarber7890 Yeah now, not during Rondo's prime

[@luckypozzo3068]

@@danbarber7890 I respect Lowry’s game. As a spurs fan I’d rather have him than derozan any day of the week.

[@mantgrta9728]

@@luckypozzo3068 agree

[@derek7762]

Just because Rondo used to be good doesn't mean shit. The dude has been complete trash for most of his career.

[@gokubadgoku]

Brandon roy was on the path to being a top 50 all time even according to bill then he got injured

[@brando8888888888]

I wouldn’t say too 50 all time lol but he was definitely a perennial all star and a damn good player

[@GreenEyesGian]

Yet Rondo gets pick ahead of him😂😂😂

[@richquatro415]

brando8888888888 dude had a Tmac/Harden type game. His legs are the only things that stopped him from being a hall of famer

[@christianluu2994]

brando8888888888 you're sleeping on broy man...dnt forget he beat yao and mcgrady in the playoffs

[@indeepbullshit3589]

Yes he was. Imagine him and aldridge in the playoffs

[@itsautomatik1470]

If B. Roy doesn't get hurt he's the best player in this draft and a top 5 shooting guard at that time

[@leonzaduncan2438]

top 10

[@itsautomatik1470]

@@leonzaduncan2438 Kobe D Wade T Mac. Ginobli and who else?

[@reganhatcher1579]

ITS AUTOMATIK there is someone named Jordan.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@leonzaduncan2438]

@@itsautomatik1470 he is the 2nd best shooting guard in Portland history

[@itsautomatik1470]

@@leonzaduncan2438 I said during that time in the NBA he was drafted in 06 Jordan obviously wasnt playing

[@strobbedelutz]

Talk about beeing prisoner of the moment, there is zero case for Lowry over Aldridge

[@pinbarbecue1100]

Don't forget about Rondo

[@mattr27]

At times Lowry was the best player in the finals. He's a very good all around point guard, all Aldridge does is make turnaround 18 footers

[@jordan12118]

@@mattr27 That's some serious revisionist history on Lamarcus Aldridge. Guy was 23 and 10 consistently in Portland

[@mattr27]

@@jordan12118 did it translate to winning? A ball stopping mid range jump shooter who didn't make anyone better? Didn't think so

[@turk3sh]

@@jordan12118 And got nowhere. Butthurt because Dame was coming along and bounced.

[@danieltravis5082]

Brandon Roy is easily one of the biggest what-ifs in NBA history Dude was incredible

[@MrBezl]

PNW. Seattle kid. RIP SuperSonics

[@johnnytimestamp8224]

I had no idea Mario & Luigi knew so much about the NBA

[@expendablegerbil]

I can't believe they went 45 min without mentioning that this was the gap year when the minimum age rules changed, which was probably the biggest reason why there were no stars available. If the rules hadn't changed there's a pretty good chance KD and Oden would've gone in '06 instead of '07, and all the best "one and done" had already been drafted the year before right out of highschool.

[@linglok11]

Raptors got screwed twice. First in 1996 when they won the first overall pick but not allowed to select first due to expansion rule. In 2006, they won the first overall pick, it is the "gap" year.

[@razkable]

2006 was the year bargnani was suppose to be the dirk and lamarcus the bosh of the draft...one came close if not surpassed the other at their peaks and the other well is a bust

[@CBarber22]

They mentioned it in the '05 redraft, no need to keep bringing it up

[@expendablegerbil]

@@CBarber22 Strange decision considering the '05 draft wasn't affected by the rule change,.'06 was.

[@anomiemnemonical578]

For #1 expected return value, he was absolutely a bust

[@FatPankakes101]

That game 4 between Portland and Dallas, when BRoy led us back from down 23, was the best sports moment I’ve ever witnessed. Roy is my favorite player ever and that was an amazing send off for a really sad situation.

[@razkable]

roy had what kobe manu and d wade were made of ...that clutch sg killer mentality

[@wadjay1117]

That game made me cry because he was pretty much done then, but I holding on to hope at that moment.

[@clement121691]

That's one of the most memorable Mavs games ever for me because I was so torn between wanting the Mavs to win and being excited Brandon Roy was having a revival.

[@UncleLawrence91]

That game was like a real life movie moment. Dude wasn't really playing, game was just over there is no chance. BRoy goes in takes over the game and has this incredible quarter and a half that just built up momentum after every shot. Sad that was his last good game.

[@EGarrett01]

I highly recommend doing your own redraft before opening these videos to try to predict what they'll do, so you can get ticked off when they make a reach pick and wreck your bracket.

[@wolfpak9562]

H .,,,,.,,.7.,.,.7a

[@boomboombarrie]

Bill talked about the two Gay trades, but there were three! When the Raptors dumped him on the Kings they turned their season around and won 48 games out of nowhere!

[@razkable]

Hey gay still in the nba...keep getting them checks boy

[@dmore454]

"There's a lot of revisionist history with Bargnani..." Uhhhhhh no. I followed a couple sports blogs by some Raptors fans wanted him GONE for years, they couldn't wait to get rid of him, and were happily shocked and ecstatic that the Knicks gave them draft picks to take his bloated contract.

[@josh0253]

I think he means in terms of his actual play not the fan response, yes I agree I remember nobody who had him was ever necessarily happy or excited about it 😂, but he was definitely not a bust, you can say that he could’ve done better but the numbers alone can show you he just was far from a bust

[@razkable]

i hate their mistakes with rudy gay..he tore his achillies and kawhi got hurt in 2017 ...if he and kawhi and aldridge are healthy in 2017 and 2018 who knows man and then kawhi stays and they may still be competing for west titles......he was a star that had the wrong role..hes like a modern day ron artest in a way ...inhis era great as a top 2 option at his best but in today's nba he would be better as a role player...rudy is better as a true 3rd option next to a superstar like kawhi not a top 2 scorer on a real contender...hes still good and better than redick...

[@dunadan1995]

He wasn't a really good player, but he's not a Kwame Brown/Michael Olowokandi/Darko Milicic type bust that people paint him as either. He's a player that got taken a bit too early and really should have had a specific role on a team as a stretch big next to some other big who'd clean up for him on the defensive end. He was a pretty good scorer, but the thing is he never actually played on a good team and was never an exciting player to watch, so people mostly remember his shortcomings and weaknesses, so it was always easy to pigeon hole him as that Darko-type bust, but he really wasn't an irredeemable player.

[@hjbghj3894]

He wasnt trash he just wasnt first pick worthy

[@silewis9396]

Toronto also bulked him up to fit along Bosh at center. He looked a lot better as a sleek 4 but obviously he wasn't as good as Bosh

[@belak1551]

Nothing incompetent about Rondo. He’d give you triple doubles and give you those hands.

[@mrderp8308]

Never mind he can’t make anything other than a lay up

[@razkable]

i take paul millsap over rondo...its close though

[@KwisBwown]

and he spit on you

[@belak1551]

Mr Derp8 prime Rondo was a beast tho. He put up 40 against the heats big 3 in the playoffs Rondo wasn’t the beat shooter but he was crafty enough to find ways to score.

[@claytron3000]

Early Rondo was basically today’s Ben Simmons, but without the height. Once everyone figured that out, they clogged the paint and dared him to shoot.

[@pointynobb5498]

Bill - "[JJ Redick] he will probably play another 6 or 7 years" *proceeds to retire following year*

[@jdog3923]

Lmao

[@Mikesworld214]

Joe House was so accurate in saying that another chapter could be written for Rondo in the 2020 playoffs.

[@blc0179]

Brandon Roy would have been number 1 if he didnt get hurt

[@desmondthesavage2595]

Leave it to Chris Ryan to ruin the whole re-draft with the first pick.

[@500TD500]

nah kyle was the best player

[@simonamorim8178]

It is the correct pick though, kyle is an underrated all time Win share player of this era and over a decade on is still one of the best classic role point guards in the league and his conference.

[@belak1551]

Lowry is overrated for sure.

[@zamis87]

You could have the argument that Lowry overachieved for his career. Solid player,

[@bigboner23]

Who’s Chris Ryan

[@crandellbrandon]

The Hawks took Sheldon “Slumlord” Williams a year after taking Marvin “7th Man at best” Williams. 😭😭.

[@razkable]

marvin was a solid 6th man at his peak..just not a top 4 option on a real contender...he could of been a 5th option on a star led team that won a title for sure like in college...he was that missing piece that was forced to play too many minutes and be a starter

[@chrisellison2817]

Billy knight was the worst gm in the history of the nba

[@giannis.ioannidis.1995]

Marvin at his best was a legit starter for playoff teams

[@silewis9396]

@Thulsa Doom I was no Marvin fan but the reason he came off the bench wasn't because he wasn't good. It was because he had a senior in front of him on a stacked team that didn't need him a freshman to start.

[@NatureBoy818channel]

Marvin Williams is that because a 3 point shooter when he was declining as more scoring option. If he had that 3 pointer im his early Hawks days it would helped a lot that squad back in the day.

[@FatPankakes101]

Roy has the best peak in this draft, Aldridge has the longest prime, and Lowry has the most playoff accomplishments.

[@williefaulker]

Rondo die ?

[@keenannorris3309]

Rondo has the most playoff accomplishments.

[@vuvuzela691]

@@keenannorris3309 As a role player...

[@hotelaux4432]

B Roy made me S my pants as a Dallas fan, dude was so Clutch

[@navideliot428]

Funny Brandon Roy model citizen story: in high school, he played varsity as a sophomore. Our team was loaded with talented seniors, including B’s older brother Ed and a few other guys who played roles at D1 schools the following year. Someone in his own school’s cheering section was drunk and heckling Brandon a bit (“get the kid off the floor” and similar), so Brandon hopped up three rows and popped him one. Busted nose, blood everywhere, and B just went right back into the game.

[@billyfresh23]

13:50 he was spot on

[@joshuakohn3232]

Why is this dude bill Simmons talking basketball with Mario and Luigi

[@NoName-cn3cp]

At the end of the All Star game, when they were actually trying to win, Kyle Lowry was on the floor in the clutch. He's just a winning player.

[@mantgrta9728]

So was derozan in 2018

[@abduugas]

@@mantgrta9728 🧢

[@davincerica7232]

Actually he was a loser until 2019... I remember his playoff games with 0 points and shit like that! He kinda proved everyone wrong last year

[@mantgrta9728]

@@davincerica7232 game 5 missed shot

[@nalimlattarai2873]

Ludi DaVinci nope

[@menehune1025]

If your reading this comment... nothing but good luck will come to you!!!

[@MrBezl]

Bruh you owe me some good luck

[@victorf6672]

Bill's reaction to K-Lowry being number 1 was legit similar to his Bennett reaction.

[@michaelconstantinemiranda2352]

But if you would look at their respective career. I think it's the correct pick. He was the 2nd best player on a championship team. He'a a great leader. And the overall longevity and impact gives him the advantage to lamarcus aldridge.

[@victorf6672]

@@michaelconstantinemiranda2352 I agree

[@silewis9396]

I thought the same thing. I'll never forget that Bennett reaction and watching this again really helps, especially with House backing him up with it

[@Sticktothemodels]

@@michaelconstantinemiranda2352wasn’t better than Siakam in 2019

[@codyssmith73]

@@SticktothemodelsIn terns of scoring, you’re right. But I’m terms of everything else, Lowry was the #2 guy. He was the primary facilitator & floor setter, he was the better defender, he elevated everyone’s play including Pascal & he had a bigger impact in most playoff games down the stretch.

[@bikingchupei2447]

looked up Andrea Bargnani on basketball reference, saw all those 10+ ppg seasons, one year even 21.4 and asked myself how can that be considered a bust, but then i looked at the top of the page and saw 1st pick, 1st overall.

[@County_da_kang]

As a Magic fan I can say JJ was solid but needed time to develop. Keith Bogans, Piatris (however u spell it) and Matt Barnes were all better options at 2 guard. In those early years JJ would get abused on D. He later became a solid team defender.

[@razkable]

i mean people forget they beat the cavs in 2009 without him...he was trash at that time..he could hit a three..that was about it...maybe 2...

[@princemwamba5230]

Yes the way the game is played now is why people love him so much

[@Kirbystare1992]

Kinda disagree so much clout coming out Duke he should have been playing.

[@stevesteve0521]

Stopped watching after Lowry was the first pick

[@Supermariohoops24]

So many of the 2000 draft classes were very weird. Other than 2003, 2008 and 2009 there wasn’t really that many superstars from each class.

[@FeltMarvellous]

Predicted Rondo in the playoffs

[@88smjls]

Kyle Lowry proved Derozan was the problem.

[@eboooo]

He wasn't a problem he just isn't as good as Kawaii. They also got Danny Green in that trade. That's 2 starters

[@mantgrta9728]

No he wasn't the raps wanted to trade. Lowry but the spurs didn't want him

[@ma1ist]

@@eboooo Fr Danny Green was p much a free sharpshooter and solid defender for a season. Granted he sucked ass with his shot in the playoff but still..

[@codyssmith73]

@@mantgrta9728 Lowry was the better player by every advanced metric in the KL/DD era.

[@turboplazz]

@@eboooo Marc Gasol was the final piece .... Gasol played stellar defense throughout the playoffs and gave the raptors a fabulous 1--2 punch at Center with Gasol and Ibaka playing great through the post season.

[@ethermac9015]

Coming back to these videos post Covid. Gotta appreciate the ringers effort to put out content while there was zero NBA games to talk about

[@fortynights1513]

I would be intrigued to hear what they have to say about the draft classes in the first half of the 2010’s. In particular because in the 02 and 03 drafts, they took a couple of players who were busts in the lower lottery based on the potential that something might not have happened. And a question I have about one of the players here: They said that Rudy Gay’s perception was hurt by analytics. If he came up today with his game would he have still been viewed as a top prospect? Also, drinking game while watching these videos: Take a shot every time Bill mentions he had Clippers season tickets.

[@michaelchen1838]

Lowry isn’t great at anything that would define him as an elite guard. Without Kawhi he doesn’t even make it to the finals, let alone win one

[@codyssmith73]

Lowry might not have anything to define him, but he's versatile. He gets teammates going, he can score when called upon, he'll defend anybody you put him on & will put his body on the line for a W. He's a floor general and much like Rondo, is one of the smartest guys you'll see on the court these days.

[@michaelchen1838]

Cody Smith he got blocked by Kevin Hart

[@antoni.guzman]

“Another goat advertisement” Great Lebron shade there 😂

[@SCUMMY4205]

What's scary is Portland could've added KD to that squad and they didn't 😂

[@mltfinest]

if Portland take kd in 07 they probably have a better version of the okc team and possibly go on to win a chip

[@ma1ist]

Yeah wow. Thats a huge what coulda been for Portland. Even rn, they chose to contend for a chip during the Warriors dynasty. And now it's v obvious they're not going to win with Dame and roster.

[@razkable]

if portland took mj they got clyde kersey and mj for 15 years lol

[@mltfinest]

@@razkable truee but clyde was the reason they didnt take mj, they both were similar players

[@buenonobuenoo]

How did he bring up iconic Rudy gay trades and leave out the Raptors Kings trade????

[@GPbasketballCards]

They don't know our history cause they don't watch us.

[@gangtime8705]

Nicolas Bueno such clowns

[@buenonobuenoo]

Ah yeah I totally remember how that iconic Battier-Gay deal helped the rockets get bounced in the 2nd round in 2009. Iconic shit right there. I wonder if Gay being traded ever launched a team back into the playoffs and was the first move into them getting to a title 6 years later

[@MrMarcLatham]

It’d be interesting to hear their take on Rondo after playoff Laker champ Rondo!

[@gokubadgoku]

Hold up i agree w the rudy gay isnt a winning player but in the last 2 minutes of a game rudy gay lead the league in clutch fg% and fgms like 2 seasons straight from 2012-2013

[@YeeSoest]

Yeah but that could easily be a sign of sagging defense because he went oafer before clutch time... Not saying it was but bare statistics can tell straight up lies sometimes, always double check for stat flukes ;) It's like "my favorite soccer team hasn't led at halftime in 23 games" No, because our gameplan is running them into the ground until they're tired and then (!) beat them. At least it looks like that's our plan...

[@quietmind0zero]

Andrea was unwatchable in the paint. But he was asked to do too much. Probably a Radmanovic like career but taller

[@aquamarine99911]

Don't let him put the weight on. Make him a Peja-type 3. Of course, now the Raps have two Cs who can shoot from 3 AND play great defence.

[@anomiemnemonical578]

Great idea, in fact we should take even more players and make them all shoot like Stojakovic. You should be coach

[@JBerm-eo4kt]

To pick Kyle Lowry before LA, Rondo and Brandon Roy is terrible

[@kanoansherwood4844]

“JJ could keep going for another 5 or 7 years” Not quite how it worked out

[@thebronzejade1223]

That rondo 2020 playoff contributor prediction was legitimately spot on

[@thirstfen]

@13:50 House predicted it

[@joshvasco2926]

Im going through a very painful breakup and these make my day thank you

[@YeeSoest]

5 months later...still hurting or moved on? Wishing you the best, bad year for a breakup. Not that there are good ones...

[@alvis-rd2ht]

currently going through it and the ringers content helps me

[@TomDelayBeats]

Kyle Lowry as the first pick is straight idiotic.

[@mj45isgreat]

What does Bill mean when he said Rondo outplayed D rose in the 2009 playoffs. Rose averaged 28 and 7, rondo averaged 18 & 9

[@YeeSoest]

I'm not sure because I'm not that well versed in every past postseason series but I guess it's about making your team beat their matchups by playcalling, playmaking, defense and hustle more so than about outscoring him 1on1, that obviously never happened. Rondo has his ways of helping his team win and DRose may have been an early victim of that. Not sure though, Bill could easily be wrong here^^

[@robesterd8132]

What did he mean about him outplaying Lebron?? Lol

[@Giulio_Cesare_Leone]

The idea that bargnani was a bust is so stupid. Of course he didn't live up to it's no 1 pick, but he played 10 years, 15 ppg avarage. You know who's a bust? Kwame, Bennet, and so on people that get selected no 1 and they can't even stick around. Bargnani only issue was his lack of motivation, he just was happy with what he can do and never tried to commit to some hard work. If bargnani had the work ethic of kobe he probably be a all time player. But he was a bit of jerk, so jokes on him

[@willbowden6897]

You know the draft is mediocre when Kyle Lowry is probably the best player in the draft. He was destined to be a Raptor though

[@JustizzzleFASHO]

KYLE LOWRY!????!?!?!?!?!

[@The_Wanderer6]

The point god

[@deltadeavausu1282]

That’s not a bad pick. Even tho Lowry took longer to develop. Lowry is a great defensive player, a great 2nd to 3rd option. I’d still pick Lowry over rondo and Lamar. Rondo was great on the Celtics. After the Celtic days, he took a dip. I would still pick rondo over Lamar.

[@TheDiegoo17]

delta de Avausu bro did you watch Rondo against Portland in 18 playoffs he was a monster

[@mantgrta9728]

@@deltadeavausu1282 Aldridge is the best player in the draft

[@gangtime8705]

Mant Grta best player 😂 LA 😂 let me know when he can get past the first round as the main guy

[@Jon.A.Scholt]

Brandon Roy has gone down as one of the great NBA players who's career was completely derailed by injuries. Grant Hill is number one in that club, though he did come back and play well enough to earn an all star spot in '05, he was nowhere near the incredibly dynamic player he was in the '90s. Penny is another player who could've been so much more. T-Mac and Yao also come to mind, poor Rockets. Derrick Rose is definitely in this terrible club. But of all the players Roy was the one who couldn't play at all. At least Hill, Penny, T-Mac, Rose played a few more years as diminished versions of themselves, Yao not so much. I'd also put Jay Williams in the club but he is kind of a unique case since his injuries were caused by his motorcycle accident and not from playing basketball like the other players mentioned. You can make one hell of a squad using those players.

[@DarthHadeous]

People who think Lebron is the GOAT think 2010 and 2011 never happened

[@connorsmith6517]

Valin if we hold 2010 against Lebron we gotta hold 1990 against Jordan. Both weren’t ready to win a title. 2011 is a valid reason why Lebron won’t surpass MJ. But 2010 against the Celtics? Sorry but Lebron played good in that series I can’t hold him not being able to beat 4 hall of famers against him with Mo Williams being his 2nd best teammate who constantly disappeared.

[@DarthHadeous]

@@connorsmith6517 Theres a difference between having a bad game and losing in game 7 than going out when your team needs you and looking as visibly disinterested as lebron did

[@Kirbystare1992]

Unpopular opinion: Memphis should have never traded Rudy gay. Memphis could never score enough points going forward didn’t have a wing scorer who could go get a bucket. He wasn’t the reason they lost to the clippers in 7 GAMES wasn’t like they got swept lol. In 2013 they only made they conference finals cause Westbrook got hurt. Got swept when they got there

[@razkable]

they lost battier mayo gay...they got prince pondexter and miller back...but i would rather have battier gay mayo

[@danielgalea8499]

I definitely agree. Also in the Thunder series they lost, the team was just far too reliant on getting stops and Zbo scoring on the block. All their other options were far too easy to stop and/or you can give them so much space because they can't shoot (Allen, Prince) you can jam up their entire offence. I have no idea why they think the Grizzlies got better after losing Gay, I distinctly remember them getting worse and me mocking them for hiring John Hollinger and his useless analytics.

[@Kirbystare1992]

Asmosis Jones thought battier had been gone for a minute unless he came back later?? Mayo was great his rookie year for Memphis then kinda fell off he had a good stint in Dallas. Yea if they had that core they’d be straight.

[@Kirbystare1992]

Daniel Galea exactly nerds who call players inefficient cause they shoot 43% or so from the field or so don’t know the game. Paul pierce and tmac shot around that for their career not saying Rudy is them but he’s at least a poor mans version. If you’re gonna trade him at least get another scorer. That 2015 series vs gs even with Conley hurt they had a good chance. But all golden state had to do was put bogut on tony Allen and it was a wrap, no reliable outside scorer 🤷🏾‍♂️.

[@thomascrowniii1693]

They never got out of the first round with Rudy Gay. He's not a winner.

[@mrmacross]

They spend all this time talking about Rudy Gay and empty stats, and they talk up Andrea Bargnani? He could shoot, sure, but he couldn't do much of anything else. When you're 7' and you can't defend or rebound, you can't even call yourself a stretch four. Look at this on/off stats, and no amount of his shooting could make up for his horrible defense.

[@MM-bt8ke]

Kyle reminds me of a smaller Billups, smart player, good passer, makes others better, good 3 shooter, good leader, strong minded and most importantly a winner (a bit underrated because he is not flashy). Brandon Roy definitely more talented but all things consider Lowry is a good way to go with this draft.

[@codyssmith73]

Lowry is one of those guys that people people sleep on cause the numbers don't wow you, but his overall impact makes his advanced metrics stand out. He also grew into a beloved teammate.

[@KM-fb1kw]

damn he really called that shot at 13:50

[@nimishtodi5614]

It was not revisionist history that the Bargnani trade was a disaster. Everyone from the beginning made fun of the Knicks and people right away considered Masai a wizard for getting off Bargnani and getting a pick back.

[@romeobodeodo]

Anyone who watched Brandon Roy play on a regular basis, knows that injuries aside, he was easily the best player in the draft. He's like Bill Walton. Spectacular player who's body couldn't hold up.

[@seancondon5312]

Bargnani only averaged 21 because BOsh left and the next best player was sophmore Demar Derozan. finished 14th in the East

[@AlexanderTraina]

Love these I’ve watched them all so far excited to dive into this one trying to wait for my overnight shift tomorrow to watch lol I need them over a hour bill!

[@aquamarine99911]

Bill thinks Grantland was ahead of the curve in advanced metrics, but then credits Bargnani's 21.4 ppg one season without looking at how many attempts he needed to get there.

[@xzxzxccxzcw2028]

bill makes me cringe every time he reels off the FG% as if it means something when TS% is right there to use

[@JoeKnows44]

@@xzxzxccxzcw2028, fg% still matters (yes ts% is a much better stat) and more importantly, when you are speaking to an audience as big as his, the majority of the listeners aren't going to understand total shooting, but know fg%.

[@OlDogSmoke]

13:50 this man is a prophet

[@kody3333333]

I know they picked Millsap at #4 but the fact they couldn't find anything to say about a 4X All Star but could talk about JJ Barea and PJ Tucker for 5 minutes... disrespectful. 🤨

[@JoseGuzman-ne3pk]

If I was the Cavs I would’ve traded with the Rockets to get Rudy Gay him and LeBron together would be a nice duo.

[@Jon.A.Scholt]

Brandon Roy is one of the players you look at and think, "if he played in today's NBA..." If he entered the league during the explosion of offense I have no doubt he would put up those video game like numbers we see from many players these days.

[@razkable]

Well duh..he had all the skills

[@ssjandrew3438]

Kyle Lowry as the number 1 pick. I got to like it

[@GrimiestGurber]

Update in 2024 : Rajon Rondo is the 1st overall pick as being a crucial role on 2 title teams

[@nickeddy1823]

Kyle Lowry might be one of the most overrated players ever. And is living off a playoff run that he wasn't the best player in

[@jimmyjams1559]

Lmao they called Playoff Rondo before it happened!!

[@Odinson42]

Aldridge is weak. He got jealous of Dame and ended up sabotaging his own career.

[@DavidWarrenMusic]

Rudy Gay was so talented. Feel like he could have been an all-star

[@eboooo]

Millsaps game changed after a game in Miami in the 2011 season. That was the first time he hit 3s a game during his career. And he continued to grow and grow his game. He wasn't boring he was thrilling.

[@pinbarbecue1100]

Wow!!! He pick Lowry over LA and Rondo!!! Smh!!!

[@ztlabraptor211]

Lowry > rondo all day

[@bigred9991]

Kyle Lowry is better than Rondo. Rondo was better early but Lowry has become the better player. Rondo was also drafted to a team with 3 hall of famers that helped him look better than what he actually was.

[@stephenasunnamedsource2943]

Rondo in his Prime was a much better player than Lowry but Lowry has been a consistent all star caliber player for years. If your building a franchise i think you go with Lowry just bc it provides a lengthy stability for your franchise.

[@dollarize6412]

Lowry’s legacy has been vastly improved by Kawhi spending a year in Canada

[@samelmudir]

my guy, you forget that Lowry is a 6x all star while Rondo has been a borderline starter since Garnett

[@tristrambenedictcalleja1938]

Nash took a while too. I thought one of the factors to be considered in redrafts was "if i knew what i know now"

[@razkable]

People forget nash wasn't a star until 03...

[@Aditya-kf9il]

"If you're averaging 27 a game in a playoff series, your'e legit" .... yet Bill continues to criticize Vince Carter who has had multiple playoff series averaging that.

[@gangtime8705]

Aditya VC never showed up had so much good situation but not. Great as we think

[@seand2328]

Love the Rondo pick, still think there's something about Rudy Gay that isn't being appreciated. Where's Big Baby!?

[@seand2328]

Oops, Big Baby was '07

[@matthewmathis8845]

Ayo watching for the first time in 2024 they ate that Rondo take 😂

[@leonzaduncan2438]

Don't forget the D.J. Augustin would have been on that Texas team as well.

[@razkable]

d.j. kd aldridge tucker ...thats insane...i think they made a mistake cause gibson was drafted in 2006 so he would not stay and be on the 2007 team he was in the nba finals on the cavs by then...

[@IsMoKeDgRaPeS]

Damian James to

[@unoriginallusername]

Ronnie Brewer over Leon Powe, but I wouldn't expect anything less from Bill "Celtics reference every 2 minutes" Simmons

[@Monsterr713]

Spent way too long on the rondo pick lol

[@MakingMovesMajor]

8:41 and.... MJ got put out the playoffs by 2nd year Penny.

[@stevesteve0521]

How many games did MJ play that season? You expect a man who was out of the league for almost 2 years to a bulls team with no center or power forward to somehow average 50 and win the title? Plus what happened to penny the following year when MJ had an actual full season to play? 🧹 🧹 🧹 🧹. Terrible comparison

[@robesterd8132]

@@stevesteve0521 Rondo never even came close to outplaying Lebron lol

[@KP-st6gi]

Rondo #1

[@trumpetking11]

Bill and Joe echoed my reaction to Chris’ number one pick to perfection! I’d take Aldridge myself.

[@razkable]

i think we have to look at these redrafts as if these players have to be my foundation not allowed to have a kawhi or derozan or siakam like lowry had or early on gasol and then ming and t mac...lowry had a great career but is he capable on his own of being the best player on a playoff team without those guys helping him?..no...sorry lamarcus was...multiple times...give me him..lowry vs rondo is a debate i go with lowry slightly but rondo at his peak has a case for 1...we can't look at their teams we have to look at them as individuals on a new team

[@ericpeters0n]

1 year later: House nailed the Rondo forecast.

[@thomasmaddox1002]

Kyle Lowry was a starter by 2010-2011

[@JoeMenjivar]

if Bargnani goes to the Warriors, does he still get a legendary pasta commercial? That's the real question.

[@howisthatgay4275]

“Rudy Gay actually not the guy you wanna go to the end of the game” KZbin search Rudy Gay game winner

[@quaithmero7752]

Rondo got screwed by Rick Carlisle

[@jameschamberlain7570]

JJ reddick in the modern game is averaging 20+