Billy Robinson Double Wrist Lock

[@exeortegarubio]

R.I.P. Mr. Robinson.

[@MrPotatoesLatkie]

The Japanese didn't call it a Kimura, they called it the Ude Garami. The name Kimura came from the Gracies, who named it in honor of Kimura, who broke Helio's arm with it.

[@thefilmpoets]

even the catch wrestling friendly demonstrations are more violent than the bjj equivalent.

[@rodneycampbell2030]

Bjj is called the gentle art vs catch being known as the violent art and the there’s no holds barred

[@pikkon899]

@@rodneycampbell2030 Yes. It's intentional since Catch also relies on reactions from the opponent. Wrestlers often place intentional discomfort on their opponents in this style like "sawing" or pressing a knee on top of someone's head so they can move them out of a defensive position. Even when securing a hold, a Wrestler will have the opponent tied up or hooked in 2 different ways (uncomfortably) before securing the finishing hold.

[@dannyhipolito817]

@@pikkon899 that’s why in Pro Wrestling when they sell realistic submissions they scream and have some facial reaction

[@kadasrichard]

@@pikkon899 Josh Barnett vs Dean Lister match is a good example of this,Josh did a lot of sneaky shit to make Lister move.

[@WildHunt25]

"Arrgh! (tapping)" "I've not put the pressure on yet."

[@BrokenSaintRW]

One of the best of all time. RIP Billy

[@Patricktsf]

I love that catch mentality of ignoring taps

[@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069]

Lmfao

[@SwordTune]

"oH LOrD mY aRm!" *Yeah, but I've not put pressure on yet.*

[@richardcrosby7624]

A plethora of catch wrestling catch-as-catch-can knowledge. RIP Mr. Robinson

[@mattsinger83]

billy robinson is an instructor at my gym in little rock. he is a bottomless pit of submission knowledge. fantastic coach

[@koukaibi]

RIP master Robinson !

[@bryantherocker]

Mitsuyo Maeda, Count Koma Trained in Catch Wrestling :)

[@Halbared]

Wow, this takes me back to learning wrestling.

[@airthrow]

I love getting the double wristlock from side control, going to start adding the knee over the head part to make it more savage now, excellent video!

[@johnkeating2050]

Thanks all,that was hillarious,others peoples pain.can't beat it

[@YitroBenAvraham]

From what I have learned about all the grappling styles, catch wrestling is the best for self defence.

[@catchwrestler3532]

WESTEREAN BOXING + CATCH AS CATCH CAN WRESTLING = ULTIMATE STREET FIGHTER .

[@freedomfighter644]

@@catchwrestler3532 almost. you forgot the kicks. so instead of boxing put thai boxing. By the way, this is exactly the combination taught by the GSP coach and John Jones and many others.

[@sethb6383]

kommisar anyone that thinks an art that Doesn’t teach takedown and submission defence is the best for self defence is a fool 😑

[@maddog_majima9553]

Yeah or u can just learn a jujutsu koryu( the real samurai ones) and properly study, before anyone say I'm a weeb and shit I do find some techniques really good and not found in other places and some counter tricks are really good do look up if u haven't seen before u rant

[@imbetter599]

Jew

[@mayormc]

Jesus, they're laughing and stretching the shit out of this practice dummy. The price of learning. Reminds me of an old pressure points class I once took.

[@ghw1985]

"i haven't put pressure on yet" Fucking legend

[@HybridCrossTraining]

Billy Robinson is an absolute legend!

[@SamuraiFrank67]

It's a rare delight having both Billy and Jake teaching! Jake should do it more often!

[@randomdude6662007]

Im just starting MMA, but im doing some CACC and BJJ together. Love them both!

[@dannielpreto]

I love all the catch guys, they're so sadistic when demonstrating lol. I've seen a lot of Japanese guys demo and torture guys lol I want to train some catch. I'm a BJJ Blue Belt

[@schaelakhan]

Catch is awesome

[@MrPotatoesLatkie]

The Ude garami is part of the Katame no Kata ( Kansetsu waza section) which is known to have been established in the 1880s. Thought to have beene years of 1884 or 1885 is usually cited. So if Gotch showed him anything, Kimura may have just nodded politely, but he most definitely understood the double wrist lock long before her ever met Gotch, or visited Wigan.

[@ryguyiskindofaflyguy]

double wrist lock is actually more effective if yo look at it from just a functional anatomy point of view. catch wrstling teaches to put their thumb in their armpit, this makes makes the triceps passively insufficient, meaning when you do this you are stretching the tricep muscle because it inserts at the elbow. the function of the tricep is to extend the arm so by increasing the angle of elbow flexion by putting the thumb in the armpit it makes it way harder for the person to extend the elbow.

[@ryguyiskindofaflyguy]

also, when you put the thumb in the armput it increases elbow flexion range of motion which the biceps are responsible for, so when you do this the biceps are now actively insufficient, meaning, they are already maxed on out their range of motion, they have nowhere else to go so even when the person tries to contract, the muscle is already too shortened to do anything. so the triceps are passively insufficient (stretched to its limit), biceps are actively insufficient (muscle shortened too its limit). I do think that in terms of finishing once you have the arm behind the back, move it now to around a 90 deg angle the way bjj tends to finish it. finishing it this way prevents the shoulder from internally rotating.

[@mjcurtiss]

Awesome....Just Awesome

[@DharmaBudo]

Brandon, Brian, it must have hit you guys when Mr Robinson passed on this year. You had a great privilege getting to know him and train with him and you served to bring him to the attention of a lot of people through your vids. Commiserations. CameronQ

[@eltubster14]

Billy Robinson was a legendary shooter who trained wrestlers for Verne Gagne before building a reputation in Japan. Jake Shannon i've never heard of.

[@geneticman13]

this is cool. having billy and jake demonstrating

[@conorfiggs234]

“Wrestling’s been doing the double wrist lock for a thousand years” jujutsu is around a thousand years old and the ude-garami existed far before judo ever met catch

[@RobertMcLean1]

What a fascinating video. Thank you for posting this.

[@1000Demons]

I'm impressed by this. Well done you guys.

[@quebecgal]

at 1:24 Billy Robinson sais "my boy Sakuraba"...who else could say that...Sakuraba was his boy...both Legends...

[@MrPhenomenal7]

@wyxvt Plus they know when they're hurting someone. The key is to not seriously hurt them. It's stretching not tearing or injurying.

[@racingmylife15]

@clipophile I'm a big fan of both sakuraba and royce! what sakuraba has done is amazing and i'll always admire him. Royce is great too...showing his warrior spirit in the early UFC events. I would have liked to see sakuraba fight royce in submission grappling (no-gi)...

[@closplayguy68]

Dog i cant believe this was 10 years ago

[@dsussman]

DOUBLE WRIST LOCK!!!!

[@PittheadX]

Uncle Billy Stuhart is so focused that he don't give a damn where his shoes popped off to 👍

[@mmmoroi]

Having seen his hay day some four decades ago, it's a bit sad to see him looking sort of frail. He confessed in his autobiography that he suffered drinking problem for years. Hope he will live long. Still a great wrestler.

[@vlepo2000]

Real Real Nasty ... I love how you all get the body involved !!!

[@SwordTune]

Just imagine struggling in a wrestling match and then the guy says: "Yeah but I've not put on pressure yet."

[@FireProMMA]

The Double Wrist Lock is the actual name and predates the Kimura or Figure Four according to Billy.

[@submissionmaster2012]

fantastic technique! A great little trick to use that's so much more effective than the kimura ! I teach catch and jiu jitsu (have a few vids of my own on youtube if you care to drop by) and this if super effective stuff. Thanks for the upload/ share. Great stuff and please keep up the good work. P.S. I just subscribed to your awesome channel.

[@jeanguibertprod]

You are very sympatic ! 👍🙂

[@pipofcskali]

Excellent job!

[@spartacus871]

Great video, keep up the great work!!!

[@ruebuscm]

I always love seeing these guys just crack up as the guest demonstrators put them in surprisingly painful submissions. Haha!

[@StoutBordeaux]

Awesome lesson, thanks for sharing!

[@lightmobile]

gonna check out your website!

[@Halbared]

Great teaching.

[@KJGould]

I think someone as experienced and legendary in Catch as Billy Robinson knows the exact pressure to use and what does damage. Besides he's doing a demonstration so he can just ease off the hold without losing position to start over again.

[@cripplermaximus]

Billy Robinson is one of those unsuspecting old timers, that if some jabroni tried to mug him or something and Billy get's ahold of a limb, you're dead

[@Silks]

Chris Jericho knows 1004 holds!

[@KJGould]

@xbm There are European manuscripts from the renaissance that show a bent armlock like the Double Wrist Lock, that predate Europes first entry into Japan by a hundred years. It's very possible though that similar moves are discovered independently of each other since there are only a certain number of ways to hyper extend or hyper rotate a limb.

[@MegaKev29]

Fantastic stuff!

[@antowalk]

@xbm Alot of these catch as catch can moves were developing in the late 1700s-1800s to be more precise catch even has even older influences that go back as far as the Roman period in great britain.

[@ylatupa]

billy robinson knows 1001 holds!

[@shanedjoy8954]

Savage! LOVE it

[@MrPotatoesLatkie]

@chiconspiracy By that logic, they catch guys also "discovered" it. In fact, that's how human society works, we stand on the shoulders of the giants of the past. Nowadays, we have to wait until the copyright lapses, but it's done in the same way.

[@russell7386]

Thank you

[@RPenta]

@zaphbrannigan The Double Wrist lock seems to have potentially three points of attack depending on the grip used--the forearm, the elbow and the shoulder.

[@flowjitsu1337]

Great stuff!

[@panther2552]

@clipophile Royce, Renzo, Ryan and Royler were the Gracie's he beat.

[@kingcobrabites]

Awesome.

[@KJGould]

@Sersons Even before Pankration. There are Egyptian hieroglyphs of wrestling moves that predate what we know from Greece. I reckon before the first caveman threw a punch at another guy, he probably pounced on him first.

[@scotth2431]

I love those old school shooters like Billy Robinson

[@antowalk]

@xbm I know what your sayig but remember judo didnt begin to evolve till the late 1800s judo isnt even 160 years old. Old style samurai ju jitsu was hundreds of years older.

[@growpowerful]

Very cool!

[@eagles51593]

great vid, love the lock around 4:23

[@RASHskins]

He sounds like a god damn DBZ character

[@idliviu]

Thanks!

[@elheadkickio]

It seems like more mixed martial artists than Josh Barnett should be using catch wrestling as the base for their ground game. What makes it less attractive for MMA? is it more limited in some way?

[@Grapplefan12000]

@Azrael561 Well, if you want to get historical about it, they had wrestling in Egypt and Babylon long before the rise of Greece. Just like Egyptian and Babylonian mathematics probably influenced Greek math it's very likely that the wrestling traditions of those cultures influenced pankration as well. Wrestling goes back a long time in Mesopotamia, even being mentioned in the Epic of Gilgamesh. Giving all the credit to Greece for inventing catch seems a bit Eurocentric.

[@txteabagger]

YOU GOTTA BELIEVE CERTAIN JOINT LOCKS HAVE BEEN FIGURED OUT FOR CENTURIES BUT RE NAMED THRU OUT THE AGES

[@oontyex]

@kempobrad not really, these arent just hypothetical questions, representatives of martials have versed each other in no rules/ modified rules situations. its not true to say that its a rock-paper-scisor situation. in gracies in action you see the gracies competing against challengers from many different backgrounds. similarly you can watch the evolution of styles in mma - certain styles did noticably better when put to the test - kick boxing, wrestling and jiu jitsu were the 3 standouts

[@KJGould]

@Amarksyhk Well, BJJ calls it a Kimura, because they learnt it from the Judoka Kimura. Some Judo guys 'might' have learnt the DWL from actch wrestlers, and Maeda travelled the globe for challenge matches. But it's such a simple concept, most grappling arts probably have their own version of it. I don't mind Billy's grouchyness, it's funny imo.

[@mathewmarcus9861]

those moves are classic jiu-jitsu moves except for that elbow in the shoulder. maybe all grapplers around the world invented the same moves independently

[@MrMalzers]

Moves are moves labels or where they came from are irrelevant, Especially now.

[@Sei1989]

TheSmithersy somebody give this man a cookie. his done his history

[@ManifoldSky]

TheSmithersy You have absolutely no evidence that wresting was doing it "before" jujutsu. The Gracies did not invent jujutsu (they never even learned jujutsu) and the gyaku ude-garami existed in jujutsu long before Masahiko Kimura used it to defeat Helio Gracie. There is ample bullshit to go around on all sides, it seems, with both making up history to suit their own needs.

[@monkeyishi]

i would think that's likely. human anatomy works the same everywhere. you can see some throws and locks in medieval combat treatises and going back to ancient Rome with depictions on pottery and such

[@jg3000]

ManifoldSky The words judo and ju jitsu were interchangeable in Japan. The Gracie's learned from a Japanese judoka who was doing pro wrestling. The inovation for the Gracie's lies in the GI.

[@Amarksyhk]

now i have LOADS of respect for billy robinson but when he said the the double wrist lock (kimura) was done in wrestling thousands of years ago (which i dont daught) but i disagree with what he said that the japanese didnt see until wrestling influence because jujitsu is an OLD style just the name 'jujitsu' is fairly new. but still good stuff lol makes bjj look like childs play

[@KJGould]

Top wrist lock.

[@aslanbosnakoglu8240]

joint mobility af

[@sdzachar]

LUV IT

[@baldycheese]

@MrOttmandus theres a catch video on here from 1903 with 2 young lads and the guard is used in it called something different though

[@auld_boy]

Body scissor I think it's called

[@kaindrg]

holding another person is more natural than hitting. wrestling is what is called universal cultures.

[@MrPhenomenal7]

@wyxvt That's funny...I seem to recall one Royce Gracie holding onto his opponents at the first few UFCs long after they tapped

[@elheadkickio]

@MrOttmandus Very interesting, thanks.

[@yvorfalcon3025]

Is he putting pressure in your deltoids or is the collarbone, to break your grip?

[@McBla5t3rs0n]

indeed sir.

[@treyknight94]

That's the move that sprained my wrist

[@antowalk]

this is amazing i have friends in wigan and alot of them seem to be great submission wrestlers and i didnt know why but there seems to be a long tradition of submission wresling in the area.

[@Hhhlll7778]

@elheadkickio Actually Catch is very suitable for mma,better than BJJ,its just that there are not many who know Catch Wrestling these days,

[@brunowrs]

Cool video, very funny! Wonder what happened to the missing tooth...

[@MMAderyl]

Surely not how I learned this technique. Calling something a double wrist lock and it actually being one is a totally different story. I read an email with my own eyes that my coach and friend got from both of these men thanking him for his new series so they could study it and add it to their content. In terms of bjj these guys are blue belts possibly purple. Go to Chicago if you want to learn from the best.

[@SolidMike84]

2:19 *TAPS* Billy: "...Yeah, but I've not put pressure on yet." XD I'd probably do the same ^^

[@MrOttmandus]

@MrOttmandus Though to date the gaurd is still probably the best way to fight from the bottom, until someone can come up with a better way

[@NorthernDaveTN2]

what i dont understand about catch wrestling is how it has become so under represented in todays grappling world. the founder of BJJ and one of the greatest ever judoka; Maeda (sp?) was beaten frequently whilst wrestling in the uk. what happened to this proud, champion level, wrestling?

[@luchador1764]

@Azrael561 haha, omg dude you just proved yourself wrong. Judo got the hold from pankration, true. but do you know what pankration was? a combination of boxing and WRESTLING.

[@aaron4820]

what happened to brandon's tooth? i noticed in a few videos that one of them's gone missing!

[@MrPotatoesLatkie]

Yes. If you want to promote a style where he participants are brutal to each other, it's going to remain a small group. Also, many of these Catch guys try to promote their art as being something superior to Judo, or BJJ. Billy seemed to insinuate that BJJ players are not as competent as his boys because they are too gentle, or something similiar. My experience training with my instructor gives me the impression that he could be quite brutal in his application of locks.

[@dmitryvolkov8508]

Awesome! Super! (Y) People adore modern BJJ B/S forgetting OLD SCHOOL the most brutal and life saving techniques. And BJJ are making money on selling and spreading their B/S stuff

[@Getaccount321]

Why on the descriptions and the tags for the video you don't list jake shannon ??

[@michaelhick2551]

r.i.p billy