Could Chinese & Russian military kick the US forces out of Japan & Pacific?

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@xxdash1608
@xxdash1608 4 жыл бұрын
Its crazy how closely knit Japan and America despite the fact that they were swarn enemies just 70 years ago
@titan1639
@titan1639 4 жыл бұрын
It really is. It's amazing what helping rebuild a defeated country can do to relations instead of pillaging every country under your control like Russia did
@echidnanatsuki882
@echidnanatsuki882 3 жыл бұрын
@@titan1639 SJWs will hate you for saying that. But joked aside, yeah, your right.
@stefanmilosevic2162
@stefanmilosevic2162 3 жыл бұрын
I am from Balkans and ay surly nou wat wars mins in her pure sans i am praud Serbian old land who bigans on 10 sentury bc. And older and how i get toted its in wars sens den.
@looinrims
@looinrims 3 жыл бұрын
@@stefanmilosevic2162 I get you’re Serbian and not an English major in university but oh my god I don’t think anyone can read this
@philthompson8574
@philthompson8574 3 жыл бұрын
no they're just biding their time for when they can get revenge
@kyh6767
@kyh6767 4 жыл бұрын
As a Korean and an army vet, there is no way Korea's gonna stay out of this one
@preciouswyche5893
@preciouswyche5893 4 жыл бұрын
Facts.
@appa609
@appa609 4 жыл бұрын
Korean War V2
@soyusmaximus7176
@soyusmaximus7176 4 жыл бұрын
@@appa609 I guess an interesting question would be what the DPRK might do if China goes to war against the U.S. They may view it as the chance of a lifetime to reunify the peninsula, and launch an attack on the South knowing China will help once they encounter difficulties.
@rickmurray442
@rickmurray442 4 жыл бұрын
@@soyusmaximus7176 most of the north would surrender, just to get fed. Read how good SK soldiers were in Vietnam.
@mikail7860
@mikail7860 4 жыл бұрын
Kim Jong un: hold my nukes please..
@SergeantKillGore
@SergeantKillGore 4 жыл бұрын
I never understand why people get so mad in the comments of these videos. They are totally hypothetical and he clarifies they are an oversimplification all the time.
@huffkuff4467
@huffkuff4467 4 жыл бұрын
@felix mendez state your sources of these facts because i highly doubt what your saying is true.
@phlvn100
@phlvn100 4 жыл бұрын
felix mendez first of all just write america you aren‘t 12 to write the whole time and secound of all pointing out the debt doesn‘t change much because the moment you go to war national debt will be set to 0 and the armed forces get unlimited funding. If you want to point out the weakness of the united states just point out the technological gap between russia or china against the US in hypersonic missile technology and the specilalisation of the US army in asymetrric warfare. And don‘t be so aggressive it‘s just a youtube video
@phlvn100
@phlvn100 4 жыл бұрын
@felix mendez You still don't understand war economies. Just look up how debt is handled when there is a major war
@SergeantKillGore
@SergeantKillGore 4 жыл бұрын
pahalavan100 don’t pay attention to this moron lol. He’s just a salty anti-American shill
@dangertrebor
@dangertrebor 4 жыл бұрын
@@SergeantKillGore He sounds like an Antifa Soyboy.
@LanternOfLiberty
@LanternOfLiberty 3 жыл бұрын
This is why Japan is rapidly expanding the "Self-defense force".
@Gamer_field
@Gamer_field 3 жыл бұрын
For self defence of course
@arthureast3912
@arthureast3912 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gamer_field for attacking china
@anguswaterhouse9255
@anguswaterhouse9255 2 жыл бұрын
@@arthureast3912 Well, they deserve it.
@alicorn3924
@alicorn3924 2 жыл бұрын
@@arthureast3912 the self-defensive offensive
@The_WhiteSilver
@The_WhiteSilver Жыл бұрын
@@arthureast3912 It’s legit in there constitution that they can’t declare war. The only way Japan would fight is if China attacked them first
@SergeantKillGore
@SergeantKillGore 4 жыл бұрын
I’m just here for all the incredibly unbiased and intelligent comments.
@krisbaier949
@krisbaier949 4 жыл бұрын
Sarah u what makes back bone my choice kings
@krisbaier949
@krisbaier949 4 жыл бұрын
Love all extra yelling
@krisbaier949
@krisbaier949 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me my uncle
@keithhoward4069
@keithhoward4069 4 жыл бұрын
I loved that Marine who is your icon.
@keithhoward4069
@keithhoward4069 4 жыл бұрын
I was on Marine bases helping them out for years in Africa and Iraq. Love the Marines. The army would hunker down when the shells came in. The marines went hunting. Needless to say. They started leaving the Marines alone as much as the could. They feared them.
@alanhembra2565
@alanhembra2565 4 жыл бұрын
I cant believe you left out Japan’s greatest weapon - Godzilla!
@edgelord8337
@edgelord8337 4 жыл бұрын
And uncle sam.
@EstebanMataVargas
@EstebanMataVargas 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha... and Mazinger Z
@Old_Ladies
@Old_Ladies 4 жыл бұрын
What about their Gundmans?
@samilzeynalov2448
@samilzeynalov2448 4 жыл бұрын
Japan, South Korea, İndonesia VS China (no buy weapon)
@samilzeynalov2448
@samilzeynalov2448 4 жыл бұрын
@Sean Yee lndonesia is 16th strongest country in the world
@dangertrebor
@dangertrebor 4 жыл бұрын
There is one element videos like this cannot touch on. That is the element of training. When the Soviet Union collapsed 30 years ago, Russia did not have the ability to field its military let alone train it. I’m sure some units have been trained in the last 30 years, I would guess the majority of the Russian military is under strength and untrained. The Chinese like to talk a big game, but they have no real field experience in nearly 50 years. The Sino-Soviet battles of the early 70s and their own Vietnam conflict in the mid 70s is the last time China was openly engaged in a fight. And there is no naval element to any fight China has engaged in, in over 250 years. You can’t expect an untried navy to fight the most outstanding navy the world has seen since the 1940s. For the Chinese or the Russians to even be an offensive threat, they would be required to TRANSPORT their land forces to a fight anywhere. They couldn’t air drop their forces without total air supremacy, that means transport via the ocean. That means a lot of drowned sailors and soldiers before the first even begins in Japan.
@nickross1003
@nickross1003 4 жыл бұрын
agreed
@owenosborne-lewis5060
@owenosborne-lewis5060 3 жыл бұрын
So thorough. I enjoyed reading that.
@Jakezillagfw
@Jakezillagfw 3 жыл бұрын
Yep I don't want to be that guy but the amount of time the United States has had in active combat is crazy. The armed forces were designed to fight unconventional warfare the whole time they were on the offensive. In this case it would be a counter attack/ defence it would be a blood bath they would know exactly what to do to slow down the reds if not stop them completely. They have been fighting it this whole time imagine the what would happen if they were on the other side. The United States is a hardened veteran when I comes to experience in combat. It may be a different war but the senior leaders know what to expect when bullets start flying and shit goes crazy. Russian has a little bit of experience but China has none. It would be a blood bath for the sheer experience alone as well as American knowledge would be past off to the Japanese armed forces and thats it.
@frankcrawford416
@frankcrawford416 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jakezillagfw America would totally surprise them in what it would actually do. No one even would guess the strategy until it happens. The lethality and ferocity of it will shock everyone. 1/3 of the world dead in a all out war with The United States against (who?)
@EdricLysharae
@EdricLysharae 3 жыл бұрын
Three words: *Shock And Awe*
@keithwhisman
@keithwhisman 3 жыл бұрын
No chance, the Japanese have MechaGodzilla to dominate the next war in the region.
@tobolits383
@tobolits383 3 жыл бұрын
They have Saitama
@我爱您中国
@我爱您中国 3 жыл бұрын
@@tobolits383 A hero for fun 😅
@keithwhisman
@keithwhisman 3 жыл бұрын
@@我爱您中国 Mecha Godzilla ruled back when I was a kid in the early 1980s watching english dubbed Godzilla movies I’m still a fan all these years later and I say Mecha Godzilla can take anything down that isn’t of course Godzilla himself.
@我爱您中国
@我爱您中国 3 жыл бұрын
@@keithwhisman true
@stopyelling7186
@stopyelling7186 4 жыл бұрын
Remember kids, no nukes, no prep, no attrition and no allies. It's just another fun Binkov scenario ;)
@anthonydefilippo8526
@anthonydefilippo8526 4 жыл бұрын
That made sense when it was 1v1. But this is not. Why is Korea neutral but Japan isn't arbitrarily. A more realistic war with realistic allies will make a better video.
@kennyronald1886
@kennyronald1886 4 жыл бұрын
Now you tell me!!!!
@alexmeek610
@alexmeek610 3 жыл бұрын
@@anthonydefilippo8526 because the reality is the us military is a behemoth and its naval and air power cannot be challenged 1 on 1 by a single country
@rudytaphelot1991
@rudytaphelot1991 3 жыл бұрын
Ang kailangan ay magisip ng malaliman kung paan0 mapadali. Matal0 ang Russia. Malagay sila ng missiles sa ilalim ng lupa sa ilalim ng dagat defection Pin copied text snippets to stop them expiring after 1 hour
@rudytaphelot1991
@rudytaphelot1991 3 жыл бұрын
At sa nasa at bibigyan nila ng warning ang mga it0.. Kapag nagmatigas yung at0mic na ginawa nila n00ng w0rldww2 apat na. D0bli para. Mapasuk0 ang Russia at china. Buburahin nila ang kalahati. Nit0 para humina ang pwersa ng. Mga it0.. It0 nakaplan0. Ng us.
@jasongotcello
@jasongotcello 4 жыл бұрын
It's been over 100 years and I feel like another Russo-Japanese war simulation would be cool
@DarkKnight52365
@DarkKnight52365 Жыл бұрын
it would be a very one sided conflict in favor of japan
@chaschristiansen
@chaschristiansen Жыл бұрын
@@DarkKnight52365 so was the first one
@vox1962
@vox1962 4 жыл бұрын
You completely forget that the US invented island hopping and has proven doctrine and training whilst the Chinese army and navy have nearly zero combat experience especially in complex combined arms tasks such as amphibious and airborne assault. Additionally, they have no experience in the exploitation of any presumed successes they would have, untested command and control and logistics; it’s one thing to take non contiguous territory and another to hold it, and again, they have zero experience with such tasks. And probably most important is the quality of the individual soldiers and sailors and their units . Small unit engagement is the foundation of any conflict and the Chinese are untested; 30,000 assault troops sounds impressive but if their performance in actual combat is a clusterfuck then the actual numbers won’t matter
@winstonteo9207
@winstonteo9207 4 жыл бұрын
But the US paid a heavy price for all this. Thousands of young Americans in graveyards around the world.
@winstonteo9207
@winstonteo9207 4 жыл бұрын
You got a point bro.
@anthonyw9129
@anthonyw9129 3 жыл бұрын
The Chinese are very efficient...I wouldn't underestimate them
@Ry_TSG
@Ry_TSG 3 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyw9129 I mean the fact is that the Chinese military does not have combat experience while the U.S does, so that would likely be a factor in some way
@archiij1707
@archiij1707 3 жыл бұрын
Rule number one of war never understood estimate your opponent.
@davidthomas6566
@davidthomas6566 3 жыл бұрын
America isn't by itself, its with a shit load of other countries, so she will be just fine. ♥ From 🇬🇧
@mixtape9123
@mixtape9123 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to remind you this is just a made up scenario and the rules state no allies would be allowed to join in this said scenario
@oneshot800
@oneshot800 2 жыл бұрын
Right On
@davidthomas6566
@davidthomas6566 2 жыл бұрын
@@mixtape9123 😂 made up rules or not,, we Brits love a scrap..
@richardalderman2752
@richardalderman2752 4 жыл бұрын
But what about Japan's secret weapon ...Godzilla .
@JC-uz3ey
@JC-uz3ey 4 жыл бұрын
If anyone attacks Japan, I'l flying there to be part of the defense force. Gotta protect my anime and manga.
@XiyuYang
@XiyuYang 4 жыл бұрын
J C sure sure
@karlobatiao4398
@karlobatiao4398 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah right. Anime and manga. Sure. More like protecting hentai. Lol.
@oddwirdz
@oddwirdz 4 жыл бұрын
@@karlobatiao4398 and there will be no bigger glory than dying while protecting hentai tbh
@plasticsurgeryofkorea
@plasticsurgeryofkorea 4 жыл бұрын
and Nintendo Sony jo1(jpop )
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 4 жыл бұрын
Ah, a fellow man of culture, I see.
@chrisgaming9567
@chrisgaming9567 4 жыл бұрын
Okay, we're getting closer to a full modern WW3 video. Come on, Binkov, please!
@samuelefesoa7317
@samuelefesoa7317 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure his last video will be a WW3 one.
@werrkowalski2985
@werrkowalski2985 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly im here just to see the rage of USA haters
@looinrims
@looinrims 4 жыл бұрын
Get popcorn and alcohol, take a shot for every conspiracy comment
@wisemonke194
@wisemonke194 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, I found the American seating. Time to sit back and slap some ass.
@echidnanatsuki882
@echidnanatsuki882 3 жыл бұрын
USA IS BAD COUNTRY WHILE CHINA AND RUSSIA GOOD. Now give me good boy points or I black mail you.
@M0onie_Moonlightz
@M0onie_Moonlightz 3 жыл бұрын
@@echidnanatsuki882 Fact
@liriani
@liriani 3 жыл бұрын
cApItaLisM iS tHe wORsT sYsTem, cHiNa wIn eAsy
@tadoshka5170
@tadoshka5170 4 жыл бұрын
Putin : My name is Putin Xi Jinping : And my Name is Xi Jinping Both : Welcome to Jackass
@karsentube13yt
@karsentube13yt 4 жыл бұрын
Short answer: No Long answer: This video
@variousbeans5043
@variousbeans5043 4 жыл бұрын
If this war happened, u guys can only find China and Russia in ur history book. Sry? Did u ask me how about the US? It's polishing shoes for the new world leader(Europe).
@Jab_Air
@Jab_Air 3 жыл бұрын
@@variousbeans5043 lmao funny you said Europe
@lape2002
@lape2002 3 жыл бұрын
This video is just a "simulation" using a Risk table game. Not actual real-life accuracy stuff at all.
@ejay2844
@ejay2844 3 жыл бұрын
They forgot about Japans secret weapon!! GODZILLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@CheapSushi
@CheapSushi 3 жыл бұрын
and Gundams
@possiblyrelevantuser4137
@possiblyrelevantuser4137 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't godzilla the one attacking japan?
@thegreenrenegade7759
@thegreenrenegade7759 3 жыл бұрын
You mean Gojira, for maximum weeb points.
@luminescentpearl4126
@luminescentpearl4126 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget their giant Mecha Suits.
@youtubewatcher4792
@youtubewatcher4792 2 жыл бұрын
Based on Russia’s performance in Ukraine and China’s lack of combat experience the odds seem pretty solid in the US’s favor.
@thelastcasualty2696
@thelastcasualty2696 4 жыл бұрын
People here in the comments don't seem to realize this is a *Pacific* scenario. This has nothing to do with European Russia, Afghanistan, NATO, or anything outside of the Pacific.
@massineben7198
@massineben7198 4 жыл бұрын
So basically... The usual moment when people forget that the scenario has rules it sticks to.
@thelastcasualty2696
@thelastcasualty2696 4 жыл бұрын
@@massineben7198 Pretty much...
@mickeyg7219
@mickeyg7219 4 жыл бұрын
Some people think the army can magically transport to half a world away in seconds.
4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter. Red still lose.
@teddy.d174
@teddy.d174 4 жыл бұрын
TheLastCasualty ...Yeah but as soon as 🇺🇸 gets attacked or goes to war, article 5 of NATO gets applied and that states.....(not word for word but here’s the synopsis)...if any NATO nation is attacked or goes to war, the organization as a whole responds with a coalition. That’s why it’s never just 🇺🇸 vs whomever and that’s the advantage of having NATO.
@Dr.Westside
@Dr.Westside 4 жыл бұрын
I ran out of salt . So I came to the comments and found plenty . As far as the United States goes , don't hate the player , hate the game.
@MadM0nte
@MadM0nte 4 жыл бұрын
I think he underestimates the US, Binkov often depicts wars as being trades in numbers. When in reality, modern battles are so sophisticated that past a certain point, battles turn into snowballs. The US military is expressly designed to seize the initiative as quickly as possible.
@grubbybum3614
@grubbybum3614 4 жыл бұрын
@@MadM0nte yes. His videos are more Quantitative over Qualitative.
@theunconventionaldeal3879
@theunconventionaldeal3879 4 жыл бұрын
@@MadM0nte the tech at this point isn't even fair and they haven't seen even 10% of what's going on.
@MadM0nte
@MadM0nte 4 жыл бұрын
@@grubbybum3614 agreed. It gives you a very raw, broad picture, without accounting for that X that often makes or breaks victory on the modern battlefield.
@MrAlexkyra
@MrAlexkyra 4 жыл бұрын
The winners in this war: Nobody. The losers: the Ryukyu islanders.
@Low_commotion
@Low_commotion 3 жыл бұрын
My (Okinawan) great-grandparents lost many of their brothers & sisters in the war, I would never want that to happen again.
@MikeSmith-uh3dv
@MikeSmith-uh3dv 2 жыл бұрын
Your uniform sort looks like a Russian staff officer's uniform. So...Putin calls Biden. Putin says "Joe, I just had a dream where I am watching a big military parade on the streets of Washington, DC. People were watching from the streets sidewalks. The people all carried sign that said 'WELCOME, RUSSIAN LIBERATORS!'. Biden told Putin "Vlad, that is amazing! I just had a dream about the same kind parade in Moscow." Putin asked, "What did their signs say?" Joe responds, "I don't know. I can't read Chinese."
@777Outrigger
@777Outrigger 4 жыл бұрын
"[USAF General] Hyten said U.S. space weapons programs are designed not to create dangerous debris. Instead, the military is working on counter-communications capabilities that can cut links between ground control and space systems. Asked if maneuvering satellites and jamming are the only space arms being worked on, Hyten said: "That's not it, but that's all I can tell you." freebeacon.com/national-security/general-china-space-threat-drives-u-s-space-warfare-buildup/ Any reconnaissance assets coming near US aircraft carriers will be seen by E-2s and other assets and will be electronically or physically attacked. Satellites will be attacked by Electronic Warfare and air breathing recon assets by F-18s guided by E-2s. Neither China nor Russia will be able to maintain a continuous track on fast moving carriers required by their hypersonic or antiship ballistic missiles.
@alexanderortiz8610
@alexanderortiz8610 4 жыл бұрын
Ok, and I’m sure a lot of people won’t see this but. The purpose of the restrictions such as neutrality from other countries and prep time is to try and lower the amount of variables Involved. This video is about a conflict between 4 very powerful countries so The need to limit the scope is important to keep shit from getting very convoluted. It’s a “what-if” scenario based on military statistics and capability, not an end all argument especially because even the examples given aren’t concrete. Plus this is all based on statistics that are open to the public, who knows what secrets the militaries of each government hide too
@luminescentpearl4126
@luminescentpearl4126 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I don't think many people consider how complicated things like this could be. (Hypothetical scenario:) We just spent ten minutes talking about two countries military capabilities, or about 5 minutes for one. Nearly every single criticism you have would involve about three more countries, opening more possibilities and more countries and we'd spend more time talking about these countries than the actual subject. I also see things like logistics and economy being thrown around. Do you want this video to be 34 hours long? If you want to hear about every aspect about a hypothetical war then go read Red Storm Rising or something but I am grateful for what they've done so far already is some of the most detailed and considerate work I've seen. But seriously go read Red Storm Rising.
@fredh8065
@fredh8065 3 жыл бұрын
Forward to 2021. SOmeone needs to remind Binkov, if US cant even defeat a few Taliban soldiers with outdated AK 47 running on sandals, what makes you think the US can defeat China and Russia COMBINED? lol. Sorry, but this is a the minimum, laughable.
@luminescentpearl4126
@luminescentpearl4126 3 жыл бұрын
@@fredh8065 I disagree with this. China and Russia are countries that fight in conventional warfare. The US dominates conventional warfare. But the Taliban is an uncoventionalist fighter. The US is not very good at that. Just look at Vietnam.
@alexanderortiz8610
@alexanderortiz8610 3 жыл бұрын
@@fredh8065 Guerrilla warfare and conventional warfare are two different situations.
@torlonnqvist2954
@torlonnqvist2954 4 жыл бұрын
THESE are the videos I want. Not silly matchups between WW2 and Modern equipment.
@bitterballs356
@bitterballs356 4 жыл бұрын
I still dont understand why he does that and puts that much effort in silly videos
@torlonnqvist2954
@torlonnqvist2954 4 жыл бұрын
辛辣球Bitter Balls Yea me neither.
@tuber420
@tuber420 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, Japan has Godzilla, they're good.
@ralphrice722
@ralphrice722 3 жыл бұрын
And Mothdra.
@imasheep6298
@imasheep6298 3 жыл бұрын
And one punch man
@RS-nh9gu
@RS-nh9gu 3 жыл бұрын
Godzilla, Mothra, National Kid, Naruto and the Power Rangers. Nobody in the whole planet Earth would beat Japan. They have Sushi missiles and Sashimi drones.
@olbradley
@olbradley 4 жыл бұрын
Island Hopping 2: Electric Boogaloo
@Peter-ox7wh
@Peter-ox7wh 4 жыл бұрын
Spain vs Morocco on spanish north Africa possessions and Canary Islands.
@valhalla9688
@valhalla9688 4 жыл бұрын
Peter Rose Reconquista time!
@denzelsmashsymptom4264
@denzelsmashsymptom4264 4 жыл бұрын
I second this Morocco and Spain have a long history . Those guys even took all of the Iberian Peninsula once !
@itsmefmd3791
@itsmefmd3791 4 жыл бұрын
Do coronavirus vs world next
@wisemonke194
@wisemonke194 3 жыл бұрын
We already know who won that lol
@leesenger3094
@leesenger3094 3 жыл бұрын
When it comes to the U.S. Navy, never underestimate the quantity nor the quality of our Subs and their crews!
@anthonyb5279
@anthonyb5279 3 жыл бұрын
not wrong about that.
@leesenger3094
@leesenger3094 3 жыл бұрын
@Maurice Clemons No. There are Seamen from several other countries aboard.
@ueks69
@ueks69 3 жыл бұрын
@@leesenger3094 yiaks
@fredh8065
@fredh8065 3 жыл бұрын
Forward to 2021. SOmeone needs to remind Binkov, if US cant even defeat a few Taliban soldiers with outdated AK 47 running on sandals, what makes you think the US can defeat China and Russia COMBINED? lol. Sorry, but this is a the minimum, laughable.
@ayanokoji715
@ayanokoji715 3 жыл бұрын
@@leesenger3094 yikes
@Claf1643
@Claf1643 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with the video. it'd be a blue victory but a higher cost than we'd like. Russian and Chinese would have their entire air force and navy decimated which could be something that they'd never be able to recover from. Interesting to think that this is solely focused on the pacific. Russia would be force to deal with a 2 front war. We still have air force bases in Poland, Germany, Italy and turkey. Plus Army bases too. Russia wouldn't be able to send all of her planes to the pacific theater. And of course other countries like Korea would get involved too. Interesting thought experiment though!
@TheLiamster
@TheLiamster 4 жыл бұрын
If this war were to happen other allies would join the US such as Britain, France and Australia.
@alexalbrecht5768
@alexalbrecht5768 4 жыл бұрын
Said Ali China and Russia are literally doing the exact same thing at this moment America is the only thing keeping them from taking whatever they want
@JohnSmith-sf8ms
@JohnSmith-sf8ms 4 жыл бұрын
Can't squash Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq armies though... And these countries are not even a superpower, nor technological, numerically and industrially capable nor superior. Either way, this is a hypothetical scenario.
@alexalbrecht5768
@alexalbrecht5768 4 жыл бұрын
Omae wa Ima shindeiru yo actually most of those countries were squashed. The Iraq military was one of the worlds largest and it was swept aside in weeks. Defeating a countries armed forces and fighting an insurgency are not the same
@havocgr1976
@havocgr1976 2 жыл бұрын
True, one note though, I woudnt realy count the bases in Turkey as they tend to refuse their use whenever the hell they like.
@richardhall1667
@richardhall1667 4 жыл бұрын
I’m impressed you found eleven more minutes of video after mentioning we have 15 thousand marines in Japan. That alone made my mind up...
@TheLiamster
@TheLiamster 4 жыл бұрын
Make a video about a conventional WW3 scenario (NATO, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and Taiwan VS Russia, China, Iran and North Korea).
@TheBloodRedDane
@TheBloodRedDane 4 жыл бұрын
id like to see that, but that would not be a small undertaking. We would probably not see another video for almost a year then.
@alptekinakturk4185
@alptekinakturk4185 4 жыл бұрын
YESS
@ounkeo
@ounkeo 3 жыл бұрын
So the main difference is that Red side is mostly a defensive force not really designed to invade, whereas blue is designed for invading.
@kuangtien3980
@kuangtien3980 3 жыл бұрын
The U.S. invaded N.Korea , Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan and what were the final results ??.....what is the exit strategy ? ....was the cost of blood and treasure worth it ?....it's cheaper to live in peace , something America doesn't ever learn.
@thethunderangel4122
@thethunderangel4122 4 жыл бұрын
I think half the people in the comment section are taking this waaaaaayyyy to personally... like guys... chill... this is literally a hypothetical analysis just because its interesting and intresting thought, kind of like the games chess or risk, there isn't any real harm in any of this... like cmon guys, dont get so butt hurt over sombody making simply theoretical videos
@bipash_9720
@bipash_9720 4 жыл бұрын
Well said dude..cheers✌️🔥🙏
@MrEvan1932
@MrEvan1932 4 жыл бұрын
Americans are a bunch of snowflakes. Literally every video they're discussed if they're losing they whine in the comments about how "inaccurate" it is.
@bipash_9720
@bipash_9720 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrEvan1932 yes you are right
@RandomComicEnjoyer
@RandomComicEnjoyer 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrEvan1932 dude. Noone is saying that at all... dont try and find a way to throw shade on americans just because your country hates them
@RandomComicEnjoyer
@RandomComicEnjoyer 4 жыл бұрын
@Stephen Jenkins ikr. They say were snowflakes and shit, and it honestly gets annoying from how hypocritical it is
@ycplum7062
@ycplum7062 4 жыл бұрын
With a scenario of more than a year, economics will become a factor. China's supply of ocean borne raw material and energy is extremely vulnerable, unlike those of the US.
@ddaazahh8064
@ddaazahh8064 4 жыл бұрын
That would mean angering other countries by depriving them of trade with China.
@ycplum7062
@ycplum7062 4 жыл бұрын
@@ddaazahh8064 Very true, but that is to be expected during war. And then there is the often ignored, at least by the typical person discussing hypothetical wars, reasons for the hypothetical war. The simple fact is that a shooting war between teh US and China woul dresult in a global recession, if not an out right depression.
@elleneim7638
@elleneim7638 4 жыл бұрын
The US would cripple China's economy. Making it more difficult to build more military assets, what ever that might be. China would be in debt like America is lol
@ycplum7062
@ycplum7062 4 жыл бұрын
@@elleneim7638 In other posts, I have said exactly that. Crippling the economy is less costly than a direct confrontation in Chinses home waters where they have the advantage of landbasd air, missiles, and sensors.
@christianlibertarian5488
@christianlibertarian5488 3 жыл бұрын
As they say, amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics. Logistically, China is in a hopeless situation. They would be out of oil in a few months, out of food in the same. More locally, their troops on the Ryuku islands would have to bring everything they need when they first land, because they would not get anything more.
@LuisOwnsPomona
@LuisOwnsPomona 4 жыл бұрын
They’d never invade or try due to one fact Space force One US made Death Star will annihilate them No need for space marines
@cavalier6362
@cavalier6362 3 жыл бұрын
Almost adorable to see chinese fanboys in the comments saying that they could beat americas navy. We could sink the entire chinese fleet in just 1 day
@junjin3033
@junjin3033 3 жыл бұрын
好莱坞看多了吧,你们可以派出钢铁侠横扫中国。还一天。这么厉害,怎么还和中国谈判?自己不觉得可笑吗?
@deniscare112
@deniscare112 3 жыл бұрын
That nation attacked Vietnam after war with US and lost xD
@cachin9505
@cachin9505 3 жыл бұрын
@@deniscare112 he is talking about naval warfare not ground
@jadenhiggins7167
@jadenhiggins7167 3 жыл бұрын
@@junjin3033 china is not that guy
@dealerofburningsalt3649
@dealerofburningsalt3649 3 жыл бұрын
Is that true, or you just fking around?
@wazaaup4993
@wazaaup4993 4 жыл бұрын
23 minutes of binkov.... Yes plzzzz
@MadM0nte
@MadM0nte 4 жыл бұрын
The problem I have with this video is like most of the US vs. Videos. I think one of the key flaws (if you can call it a flaw) is the tendency to assume that these militaries will experience like for like losses, somewhat akin to WW2. When as we often see in the US's various war games, and reality is that modern wars (in Iraq and Falklands for example) do not play out this way. On a battle to battle basis, a single side often claims the initiative early on and snowballs from there. One of the US's greatest advantages, particularly against the RF and PRC that is rarely talked about is their highly networked and sophisticated command and control. This allows them to think and react faster to a changing battlefield environment faster than any armed forces on Earth. Being able to peel back the fog of war and make critical decisions with some level of accuracy is what wins modern wars, more than anything else.
@generalboyit7867
@generalboyit7867 4 жыл бұрын
That is a pretty good advantage but what if the us got hit by a emp missile ?
@MadM0nte
@MadM0nte 4 жыл бұрын
@@generalboyit7867 EMP's of any relevant size, as you know, can only be delivered through the high-altitude detonation of thermonuclear weapons. Likely multiple. Such launches would be just as disruptive to friendly forces as they would to enemy, rendering this option only suitable for defensive use as part of a retreat. More importantly such a launch would be indistinguishable from the offensive launch of ICBMs in a nuclear attack, and due to the short decision loop in nuclear warfare almost certainly trigger a nuclear response. Imagine being the President of the US and hearing that after RU/CN ICBMs were launched all contact with US forces on the Island of Japan was lost. You have 30 minutes to make a decision. What would you do?
@MadM0nte
@MadM0nte 4 жыл бұрын
​@yehoutube That's not a compelling argument, those wars were fought decades ago under very different win/loss conditions and for very different objectives. We're talking here about a primarily naval and air war centered around the ability to competently launch air strikes into non-permissible air space. This is something the US Military is highly specialized to achieve being primarily offensive focused. Vietnam and the Korean War were hampered from achieving their objectives due to the political reality of the time. For example, the US President Harry S. Truman (being generally incompetent) believed that an invasion of China to destroy the forces amassing at the border would lead to open hostilities between the US and USSR. Truman would refrain from risking Europe at all costs, thus his tepid policy in Asia. As for Vietnam the overwhelming reality acknowledged by all sides was that the US could take Hanoi at any moment. Despite the extensive Russian SAM defenses, during the Nixon administration large scale bombing raids into North Vietnam were not prevented. Nor were they preventable frankly. The mismanagement of the war (which shouldn't have even started by the way) is expressly acknowledged as the fault of the Johnson administration and its inability to determine win conditions for the war beyond propping up the SV puppet government. This meant that for the majority of these conflicts the US forces were deprived of the initiative by their own government. In the conventional conflict Binkov presents the neither of the problematic political conditions from Vietnam and North Korea exist, as nuclear weapons are not modeled. Thus, the superior C&C of the US gives American forces a shorter decision making loop and as a consequence, the initiative.
@rustyheckler8766
@rustyheckler8766 4 жыл бұрын
The real flight of fantasy is the Chinese and Russia getting along long enough to open a door much less conduct a joint military operations.
@thomascroll5945
@thomascroll5945 4 жыл бұрын
Bwahahaha!
@wisemonke194
@wisemonke194 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly feel like Russia likes the US more than China.
@miniatureben3558
@miniatureben3558 3 жыл бұрын
In fact China is pressing on Russia to return Vladivostok to them
@pracylopgonzer3176
@pracylopgonzer3176 3 жыл бұрын
Miniature Ben actually China with its billion plus population has been eyeing the vast empty Siberian forest for ages as well as Vladivostok. The Russians know this. They are not stupid. Their frontier borders are with China not USA. Their history is one of being continually invaded by the Mongols, the tartars, the Fins, the Turks, Napoleon, Hitler etc etc. they are leery of China so that realistically I do not see them supporting a Chinese invasion of Japan. I think they would give lip service but mobilize in the event of an attempted Chinesr takeover of Siberia
@thomaszhang3101
@thomaszhang3101 3 жыл бұрын
Oh this aged very well. They conducted numerous joint military exercises in the past months
@WarCommissar1
@WarCommissar1 2 жыл бұрын
Australia, the UK, Japan and possibly India would make that a bad prospect even for the combined Russo-Chinese forces
@MK0272
@MK0272 4 жыл бұрын
The next question is, what would the world situation look like five, ten, or twenty years after the war? Could the US replace its losses in a timely manner? What would happen to China's economy when faced with a complete boycott by the US? Would Japan or South Korea start a crash program to build their own nukes? What would be the political fallout for Russia and the impact on their economy? Describing the slugfest is great, but there is always an after the war to think about. Perhaps Binkov's Battlegrounds could partner with an alternate history channel to address those questions.
@SvenTviking
@SvenTviking 4 жыл бұрын
China is facing a catastrophic population crash in the next 25 years. They have had the one child family policy since 1979 until recently, and the people are apparently still following it. Therefore, pretty soon, the vast majority of their population will be geriatric, and that’s going to be very difficult.
@The_WhiteSilver
@The_WhiteSilver Жыл бұрын
It wouldn’t be just by the US. The US navy would block ALL trade to China that comes over sea
4 жыл бұрын
Everyones gangster until a chinese man starts coughing
@konfunable
@konfunable 4 жыл бұрын
:D
@jasonolivas1969
@jasonolivas1969 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao 😂
@coolguy3848
@coolguy3848 4 жыл бұрын
How things have changed. Now we fear americans and europeans
@dangertrebor
@dangertrebor 4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Covid-19 turned out to be a Bioweapon, specifically made by the Chinese Communists.
@chrisgaming9567
@chrisgaming9567 4 жыл бұрын
Who else still wants a full worldwide modern WW3 video?
@GroundBack
@GroundBack 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone
@Billyzgstar
@Billyzgstar 4 жыл бұрын
Britain would win lol
@shinzoabereiwa2318
@shinzoabereiwa2318 4 жыл бұрын
@@Billyzgstar Maybe in it's region . Ireland , France, Scotland rebellion would be tough but Britain has better will power and joint naval and air power domains. Geography . England safe! That's my assumption I'm probably totally off but it's hypothetical. Hopefully ww3 doesn't happen or if it does just limited nuclear exchange . Everything and everyone believes we should live?? Right??
@arthurwright8827
@arthurwright8827 3 жыл бұрын
As a retired navy veteran that served during the Cold War, I’d love to say hell no, they couldn’t drive us out! Unfortunately with the crowd in charge at the moment, I don’t think they’ve got a pair of balls between all of them, so I’m not confident at all. Don’t get me wrong. The men and women serving are more than capable of doing the job, but somebodies got to give the orders!
@shonbatista9118
@shonbatista9118 3 жыл бұрын
Hey there mankov! Russians askander misiles are 1,500 miles! Plus there 10s of new hyper sonic maneuverable misiles that Flies and directed in unpredictable directions. And controllable of their direction flying over 10 Hmong speed which impossible to overtake sore in the first six months the Americans will lose all their Airplane carrier ships and that’s the first thing Russia will do. And it might take a month or two. Six months like I said in the beginning. It’s if the USA will keep them on land parked somewhere hidden. Times has changed. Ship carriers Is not a weapon against Russia no more. Even without nukes. Hard work,and team work pays of. Unless they kill Putin the world will become a much more peaceful place. Because Russia always wanted peace and fairness. Who said the Americans will be dictating the world what to do. Will watch and see.
@shonbatista9118
@shonbatista9118 3 жыл бұрын
There only one real leader now in the world. And it Putin. No more Churchill or leaders like him
@arthurwright8827
@arthurwright8827 3 жыл бұрын
@@shonbatista9118 how much of that tech is real and how much is vapor ware? Also of the tech that is real, how much of it can Russia afford to make? If Putin is the hope of the world, I’m rooting for the comet!
@junethomas5143
@junethomas5143 4 жыл бұрын
Japan thank you for helping the u.s out we love you all you are our friends.
@iamaloafofbread8926
@iamaloafofbread8926 4 жыл бұрын
Taiwan, India, Japan, Indonesia, Australia would be on china while Russia would literally have the force of E.U. on them.
@afq4669
@afq4669 4 жыл бұрын
@@iamaloafofbread8926 I'm sure even Muslim country would help Australia against china
@captain-chair
@captain-chair 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a hypothetical World War 3 video (no nukes as always) between: Allies: United States NATO Australia New Zealand Japan South Korea Vietnam Philippines Indonesia Taiwan (RoC) India Israel Eastern Alliance: China Russia North Korea Pakistan Iran Belarus Why would these groups ally with one another, Pakistan and China, are both in territorial dispute with India, Israel and Iran won't just sit by, without joining against one another, the South East Asian, nations are opposed to China's claims in the South China Sea, Russia and China are somewhat allied, and the war probably started from an attempted invasion of Taiwan, by China. Some other nations may join, but i am unsure, and may develop over time, other nations that could also join would be, Saudi Arabia, but they also trade with China, so are less likely, but despise Iran, Venezuela may join China, and might pull in South America, with them, but Venezuela is isolated so is unlikely to join, and the Nordic countries and Switzerland, will stay completely neutral, but Norway and Switzerland, will be annoyed by the war alot.
@shabdikacharyya2516
@shabdikacharyya2516 4 жыл бұрын
India is neutral
@captain-chair
@captain-chair 4 жыл бұрын
Shabdik Acharyya Hen a world war starts alot of things can change, i think there is a chance of it escalating the Kashmir Conflict, the Israel-Palestine Conflict, and US-Iranian tensions, because without the spotlight, nations will do some strange things, and also i was basing the hypothetical war, off territorial disputes, so i hope you understand why I included India.
@bidenator9760
@bidenator9760 4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that India has been growing out of it's Non-aligned Movement past. It's becoming abundantly clear that India, Vietnam, the US and Japan all have common security concerns, and India is engaging them to China's chagrin.
@costakeith9048
@costakeith9048 4 жыл бұрын
@@shabdikacharyya2516 Unless the conflict starts as a war between India and Pakistan, then the other countries pick sides. Israel is the country I'd leave out, the US would actually tell they to stay out since though they have a strong defensive capabilities, their power projection is extremely limited, meaning they wouldn't be of much use, and them joining up would just cause political problems with the Arab states. However, the Persian Gulf states (sans Iran) would definitely be on the US side. I could see a war between India and Pakistan escalating if China joins with Pakistan, then the US responds, dragging Japan into the war against China. Then Russia joining with China, bringing NATO into the war. Kind of a repeat of the geopolitics of WWI, just with different players.
@ty50bmg11
@ty50bmg11 4 жыл бұрын
Make one about a realistic ww3. Both koreas would likely get involved. Taiwan and Australia as well as NATO allies would join the war too
@Thomas-rx9ur
@Thomas-rx9ur 4 жыл бұрын
I thought so too. But then leaving it Korea was a pretty good assumption I think as N korea would take advantage of chaos and try moving south, so S Korea would be preoccupied and unable to immediately help. S korea is in a geographical downside in that their capital is within stones throw of N Korean artillery.
@grubbybum3614
@grubbybum3614 4 жыл бұрын
Well realistically, I doubt Russia would side with China in a war anyway. China is more of a threat to Russian land than America is.
@aussieboy4090
@aussieboy4090 4 жыл бұрын
we will never join the war! It does not benefit us and has nothing to do with us. The Australian people are angry with our involvement in Middle East. It's political suicide for our government to join WW3.
@grubbybum3614
@grubbybum3614 4 жыл бұрын
@@aussieboy4090 yeah, I think Americans forget that China is our biggest trading partner.
@nexpro6118
@nexpro6118 2 жыл бұрын
Russian fighter pilots barley keep up enough hours in training to remember how to turn on the radar lmao. Here's the thing though......so Many of the "experts" in the comments always forget that just because China has certain equipment, it does not mean that the personnel know how to use it to its full capability and are trained well enough to use it for the right strategy. Even during china's own self simulation war practices(in which China even makes it sssoooo favorable for its troops/personnel) China still either barley wins or loses majority of the time. Also, majority of china's equipment is not tested in actual war time. US is the sole military that has 20 years of recent experience and training in war and use of equipment
@ORYZAAMANS-dc4se
@ORYZAAMANS-dc4se 4 жыл бұрын
80 years ago, us-china-ussr allied together to fight the japanese... how things have changed in such a short period of time!
@Predator42ID
@Predator42ID 4 жыл бұрын
China was in a civil war in the middle of a World war. The Soviets were still the enemy but Germany was a bigger threat. Also the Soviets didn't help the US against Japan as much as some reformists believe. Thank you.
@ApoBeef
@ApoBeef 4 жыл бұрын
@@Predator42ID Yeah, the Soviets and Communist Chinese didn't do shit in the Pacific Front. It was the US and Nationalist Chinese that fought the bulk of that war.
@asd131q7
@asd131q7 4 жыл бұрын
@seth Thomas You are wrong. There were japan forces fighting with the Soviets but nothing big - they were concentrated on the big battle with Germany. After Berlin ... japan was doomed. Do not get me wrong US did the big hits there.
@bidenator9760
@bidenator9760 4 жыл бұрын
@@Predator42ID Yes, the Kuomintang and Americans did the bulk of the fighting, but the Soviets did liberate Manchukuo (Manchuria).
@Makem12
@Makem12 4 жыл бұрын
I know that your videos assume no allies, but come on, I want to see you make an in depth WW3 video
@Makem12
@Makem12 4 жыл бұрын
@rob 998 it'd make for a short video
@jamesscott6917
@jamesscott6917 4 жыл бұрын
This all ignores that the Chinese do NOT have a true blue water capability, that their carriers are NOT combat capable, that they are boxed in (for now) west of the Ryukus because they simply do not have the capacity to fight the Japanese, much less the American navy. ANY buildup for this kind of operation, to include moving supplies and troops, would trigger an INSTANT response by the U.S. and ships would sortie weeks before the Chinese could move. Any diplomatic connection of militaries by Russia and China would trigger an INSTANT response. This scenario is COMPLETELY unrealistic.
@HontasFarmer80
@HontasFarmer80 4 жыл бұрын
Which is why he stipulated no prep time. The fact is, and Binkov would admit this. The Naval and Air Forces of the United States of America are nigh unbeatable by even their near peers. _It is even unrealistic to have the Russian Federation and China on the same side in this war. _ However without something like that the answer would be easy. The US would blockade China and bomb to destroy their C4ISTAR infrastrucutre, their warmaking industiral capacity, and the infrastructure they need to provide electricity, water, and food to the populace.
@devildog3246
@devildog3246 4 жыл бұрын
A big flaw in the Chinese island hopping plan is that you're not counting on how effective the air assets on Okinawa will be in the case of an attack. Also the carrier support. F-35 and AV8B aircraft from amphibious assault ships already in the area will also be brought to that fight. There will already be a Marine Corps MAGTF, (Marine Corps Air Ground Task Force), in the area on a six month float on assault ships. This will include infantry elements, artillery, armor, Cobras, fighter, and attack aircraft to support Okinawa. A land attack on the island would have 15k Marines that know the island defending it until that MAGTF. News flash. Roughly 6000 Marines defended Khe Sanh against roughly 36k North Vietnamese, and held it with basic resources, and minimal resupply. That's not including the JDF personnel stationed on the island. Okinawa would hold as long as they needed to.
@itch4travel
@itch4travel 4 жыл бұрын
And of course China will not do anything? All invading forces will be destroyed. First to be destroyed by hypersonic missiles will be the US bases in Okinawa, Guam and Japan.
@artruisjoew5473
@artruisjoew5473 4 жыл бұрын
@@itch4travel missiles with conventional warheads really don’t do much to a large island. And the entire Chinese invasion fleet will likely be sunk by US nuclear submarines. You simply can’t do a naval invasion when you have no sea control.
@erltyriss6820
@erltyriss6820 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you spelled out the details. That one point over Okinawa felt wrong, but thanks for the more precise details.
@swyzzlestyx
@swyzzlestyx 4 жыл бұрын
There is a major flaw in your strategy, Binkov. According to you, Russia sent most of its Northern fleet, and most of its air and land forces East, to help China, so why wouldn't the United States of America use its Atlantic fleet and Air Forces/Army units, in Europe, to attack Moscow? It would be mostly defenseless.
@TheJJluv123
@TheJJluv123 4 жыл бұрын
This is a good point. US keeps a lot of forces in Europe.
@elleneim7638
@elleneim7638 4 жыл бұрын
@Drew of course we would need NATO. 70% of our forces would be in the Pacific.
@miguelmontenegro3520
@miguelmontenegro3520 4 жыл бұрын
China: So, we cant use the Tsushima Strait to... Russia: *Sweats nervously*
@Nazeem2010
@Nazeem2010 4 жыл бұрын
Japan: Sweats radioactively
@raincat8841
@raincat8841 4 жыл бұрын
There are 30,000 US troops in Okinawa. The PLA Navy is capable of landing just 12,000 troops. It would be a slaughter if they invade Okinawa.
@adampaula1863
@adampaula1863 4 жыл бұрын
Nah.. we like it if happens to us
@raincat8841
@raincat8841 4 жыл бұрын
Also, those 19 Japanese submarines are some of the most advanced conventional subs in the world. They are not mediocre 17:41
@adampaula1863
@adampaula1863 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-db9lz2yl7i all china had to march on your soil with its huge population and pee on your land... u guys will be flooded.
@williamtell5365
@williamtell5365 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine this, Japan might have something to say about it. South Korea too.
@craigkdillon
@craigkdillon 4 жыл бұрын
Also, the conflict would stay isolated to that theater of warfare. Russian ships in the Atlantic and elsewhere would be sunk. Same for China. A total worldwide blockade on both would be established on day one. China would get no fish, its people would get upset. China could not export or import - its economy would crash. That is why this will not happen.
@irontongue5389
@irontongue5389 4 жыл бұрын
@yohoutube, the US military does not rely on "China's supply", you confuse US consumers and enterprise with the armed forces. The USA still dominates as the world leader in ship-building, aircraft design & manufacture, missiles & space, land warfare, eWar, nuclear and small arms development. All areas where China is behind. The US is even energy independent now. In a hot war, the US is better equipped, prepared & trained as well as experienced in fighting multi-Theater conflicts.
@geemcspankinson
@geemcspankinson 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-db9lz2yl7i "Hey, bro, don't be so brainwashed! Think for yourself!" *Proceeds to intake hours of media for his entire life per day which tells him anything left of taxes is communism or socialism*
@geemcspankinson
@geemcspankinson 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-db9lz2yl7i "Critical thinking and analyzing" Sure
@shingyanling1856
@shingyanling1856 4 жыл бұрын
Im chinese and i've never been so disrespected with something i actually 100% agree with
@shingyanling1856
@shingyanling1856 4 жыл бұрын
Ay what the heck is happening in the reply section guys? Chill out(冷靜)
@ianbirge8269
@ianbirge8269 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, okinawa would fall so easily because we all know that no one could have survived that bombardment. Right?
@icecold9511
@icecold9511 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder who made that assumption?
@chairde
@chairde 4 жыл бұрын
Never ever attack the USA or Japan. The response would be hell on earth.
@aaroncruz4947
@aaroncruz4947 4 жыл бұрын
From Superman & Sailormoon. Just kidding. For sure in real life everybody will intervene. Because there's a possibility that China & Japan's neighboring countries will be affected. War is not the answer. Only dumb people will do that. 🥰😍😘✌
@chairde
@chairde 4 жыл бұрын
Random Person Why would anyone want to invade those two? There is nothing of value there. I know Russians are forever talking about being surrounded but nobody cares about Russia and nobody cares about China also. Poor lands for farming and even worse transportation systems. Both countries are toilets.
@Knights_Oath
@Knights_Oath 2 жыл бұрын
I doubt Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Australia and a few other countries would sit by and not help out. There are also significant US Air Force and Army assets in the area as well. Not to mention within 12 hours, B1 and B2's would be showing up to knock out a large part of the opposing surface fleet. Lastly this also implies that the US and allies would be caught completely by suprise. As the build up of forces would provoke an equal build up of forces.
@nexpro6118
@nexpro6118 2 жыл бұрын
.i can't wait to read all of the comments from...."experts" with no training and no experience and majority, lacking even any military service at all, explain how which militaries are better than the other and explain why and explain exactly how each aircraft performs(because they use flight Sim video games which makes them real pilots) also, Call of Duty video game players explaining how to fight fight ground war and how to use logistics during during a war. Lol Always a ton of these types of people in the comment sections of videos like this.
@InkyBlitz
@InkyBlitz 2 жыл бұрын
@@nexpro6118 t. China shill
@Pouzdraken
@Pouzdraken 4 жыл бұрын
This guy: here’s a scenario between these four countries and for the sake of it, we will rule out outside intervention and nuclear war just to compare the militaries The comments: I can’t believe you think the Korean and Taiwan won’t intervene and that the earth will still exist >:(
@bungkusi2432
@bungkusi2432 3 жыл бұрын
I think Taiwan will not attack China. It's like an ants attacking a tiger. But Taiwan will use the time to declare independent and hope USA will help them. As for Korea. They will start the war. The minutes USA start firing missile. The north will attack the south. If the 5nm Samsung plan got hit by north korea & 5nm TSMC got hit by USA, the smartphone industry will enter the dark ages.
@thearisen7301
@thearisen7301 4 жыл бұрын
Considering UK, Canada, Australia and SK would all join in if we're being realistic, not a chance. The Reds might get some early victories but they would be contained within a year.
@cs-rj8ru
@cs-rj8ru 4 жыл бұрын
What exactly is a Red? A Communist? A Republican? A Cincinnati baseball fan? It's been nearly 30 years since Russia was Red if you mean Communist... Guess we're all nuts to take strategy from a talking frog puppet...
@baobabfrog
@baobabfrog 4 жыл бұрын
@@cs-rj8ru Dude, red as the color that Binkov used in this scenario lmao
@cloudstrife5648
@cloudstrife5648 4 жыл бұрын
Russia and Chinas "capitalism" are not even close to the USA' s capitalism.
@appa609
@appa609 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure they matter. The US can win this alone. Canada definitely doesn't have the power projection to do much in that area.
@theodorintfp3318
@theodorintfp3318 4 жыл бұрын
Hg Giacomello Yes,in Russia all citizens can vote at the presidential elections,unlike China and the USA
@connoissuer_of_class
@connoissuer_of_class 4 жыл бұрын
China; hey Russia could you sent your Baltic fleet to japan to help? Russia; no, I don’t do japan China; what? Why not Russia; I had a bad experience... China; wha? Russia; *I HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE*
@captainkrajick
@captainkrajick 4 жыл бұрын
#Kamchatka Vs Japanese Torpedo Boats in the Baltic Sea
@kevlar7669
@kevlar7669 Жыл бұрын
#1 Korea would not be neutral. #2 Japan is more powerful than Ukraine. #3 I expect more than 2 US carriers with full Airwings.
@alexspillman9192
@alexspillman9192 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget about the Philippines as well! While in theory not a huge military super power, they could provide huge support in the war.
@kevlar7669
@kevlar7669 Жыл бұрын
@@alexspillman9192 on point.
@triggertroy8266
@triggertroy8266 Жыл бұрын
Australia is bound by a defence we would definitely be there too ....
@Daniel23424
@Daniel23424 Жыл бұрын
@@alexspillman9192 Some nukes will send you back to your place
@kyodairiker
@kyodairiker Жыл бұрын
@@Daniel23424 China and russia would get nuked too then
@johnlewins5023
@johnlewins5023 4 жыл бұрын
UK vs Norway - Oilfield war over North Sea
@matthewdelval8078
@matthewdelval8078 4 жыл бұрын
We know why an invasion of Japan would fail....there is the divine wind and Godzilla ready to defend the Land of the Rising Sun!
@skysthelimitvideos
@skysthelimitvideos 4 жыл бұрын
Didn’t help them last time 😂
@mickeyg7219
@mickeyg7219 4 жыл бұрын
Japan technically never been taken by forces, it's one of the only few Asian countries to do so. The only time its mainland was invaded is when it voluntarily surrendered to the US after 2 atomic bombs, so that in a way, doesn't count as a invasion in a traditional sense.
@lahnachurch665
@lahnachurch665 4 жыл бұрын
You were vary generous with the capability of the red and you left out the difference in capability of the submarines
@fredh8065
@fredh8065 3 жыл бұрын
Forward to 2021. SOmeone needs to remind Binkov, if US cant even defeat a few Taliban soldiers with outdated AK 47 running on sandals, what makes you think the US can defeat China and Russia COMBINED? lol. Sorry, but this is at the minimum, laughable.
@lape2002
@lape2002 3 жыл бұрын
@@fredh8065 Binkov analysis are usually just a more sophisticated run of Risk table game. In reality, China would do everything to cripple US/Japan C4STAR advantage and effectively make them blind at the offset, as portrayed in the much more realistic RAND wargames.
@alviculajara2745
@alviculajara2745 3 жыл бұрын
@@fredh8065 this is different invasion is harder than defending, and US forces are pretty bad at urban and jungle warfare, but in this case its a battle of technology.
@taco44051
@taco44051 2 жыл бұрын
Great video analysis! I beg to differ one small point. The Marines and Japanese troops on Okinawa would survive any bombardment mostly intact. We learned well from our Japanese friends the value of defensive positions and going underground...
4 жыл бұрын
Like any aggressor, they would score some initial success. In the end the USA would destroy them navally and economically. Neither Russia, nor China, would ship a damned thing over the oceans of the world and rail and road can be interdicted selectively from the air. USA isn't dumb enough to fight a land war with them.
@michaelfarros8298
@michaelfarros8298 4 жыл бұрын
Good call
@Clarence2Worley
@Clarence2Worley 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, would be incredibly stupid to fight a ground war with a nation who could, conceivably, field an army larger than our whole population.
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 4 жыл бұрын
In the real world, that would have far greater consequences, as the Chinese would undoubtedly invade the Korean peninsula, knowing that they're pretty much unopposed and the US presence in South Korea is their most immediate threat. That would REALLY piss off the States, but what would their reaction be? Now that's a good question.
@elafl807
@elafl807 4 жыл бұрын
How would it destroy them navally? just because US has a few more carriers than them? This isnt HOI4
@elleneim7638
@elleneim7638 4 жыл бұрын
We may do a land war. We won't be alone. There will be many countries on the ground too. Including India which has a large population that China worries about. with our military and allies would win in the end. It won't be our guys just shooting bullets and hope we have enough bullets. Will be using ally soldiers too. Drone strikes, bombers, tanks, etc.
@subtitleaddict5343
@subtitleaddict5343 4 жыл бұрын
Second Korean War(USA+Japan+ROK vs DPRK+Russia+China)
@ellepant
@ellepant 4 жыл бұрын
You missed out the UK and france
@valhalla9688
@valhalla9688 4 жыл бұрын
That would be super juicy
@samuelefesoa7317
@samuelefesoa7317 4 жыл бұрын
This video actually explains most of that war.
@lastgleeming
@lastgleeming 4 жыл бұрын
This would be such a difficult scenario to display . So many unknowns . Bottom line the US has the most experienced , best trained Navy by far. US ships are faster . The US has far more bombers than Russia and China added together . The US sub fleet is larger and more capable . The US is far more capable of projecting massive firepower . The 800 US bases could pressure Russia by mobilizing on Russia’s western border splitting Russian forces costing Russia billions to support defenses. The US could interfere with Chinese shipping and block oil transports . If the scenario ever started to play out Japan would freak out and rush to support US forces as to defend Japan . It is not possible for Japan to stay neutral their very survival depends on the US prevailing in any war . Plus TIAWAN also depends on the US for survival . The US , TIAWAN and Japan could make China and Russian Navies struggle to gain access to blue water pacific areas .
@gamingrex2930
@gamingrex2930 4 жыл бұрын
@felix mendez You again..... Bottom line each side wouldn't want to fight each other, they know it. Both sides would lose thousands of men everyday, their populace would become weary and my not even want to continue fighting. And this is't even counting nukes
@elleneim7638
@elleneim7638 4 жыл бұрын
@felix mendez They are the just different evil. And America never once said we wanted to dominate the world. If we wanted to dominate the world, we would never have allowed China to get as strong as it is. We wanted to be partners with China. And instead, they exploited us.
@lape2002
@lape2002 3 жыл бұрын
@@elleneim7638 Corporate USA sold itself to China, that is the crude reality.
@anguswaterhouse9255
@anguswaterhouse9255 2 жыл бұрын
US has 2x as many ships with long range air defences as Ru and Ch combined. And 4x as many aircraft carrier. All of which have better tech,
@dominickefrim3088
@dominickefrim3088 2 жыл бұрын
@@elleneim7638 truth...
@Reuben5120
@Reuben5120 3 жыл бұрын
So you mean to say the US won't eliminate the enemy air bases preemptively? Thereby rendering any attack on the islands a suicidal mission.
@IrishCarney
@IrishCarney 4 жыл бұрын
Problem for the reds here is submarines and mines. Simply assuming that Chinese could move their amphibious assault assets over to the first island chain without being sunk doesn't take that into account.
@fredh8065
@fredh8065 3 жыл бұрын
Forward to 2021. SOmeone needs to remind Binkov, if US cant even defeat a few Taliban soldiers with outdated AK 47 running on sandals, what makes you think the US can defeat China and Russia COMBINED? lol. Sorry, but this is at the minimum, laughable.
@ryanfaber8532
@ryanfaber8532 3 жыл бұрын
@@fredh8065 There much more to take into account. Remember Russia got whooped by the taliban aswell.
@stevenbass732
@stevenbass732 4 жыл бұрын
The first thing to remember, Russia neither likes nor trusts China. Even when the Soviet Union more or less supported China, there were several conflicts between the two. As in firefights.
@genesisvlog2764
@genesisvlog2764 4 жыл бұрын
wehhhh are you sure?
@genesisvlog2764
@genesisvlog2764 4 жыл бұрын
maybe your dreaming....right now, the two witnesses are the two witnesses no other can erased because it is already written in bible revelation chapter11. and if you dont have faith whats on the bible, so you can talk with your mouth even your heart didn't know...thanks
@christianelthorp8601
@christianelthorp8601 4 жыл бұрын
genesis vlog Why are you bringing the Bible into a conversation about geopolitics?
@bipash_9720
@bipash_9720 4 жыл бұрын
@@christianelthorp8601 😂
@libertycowboy2495
@libertycowboy2495 3 жыл бұрын
After all the fights with Godzilla, fighting China and Russia would be relatively easy for Japan 😁🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵
@chinesere-educationcampsfo6983
@chinesere-educationcampsfo6983 3 жыл бұрын
Too bad it ain't real
@princebhupendravarma3195
@princebhupendravarma3195 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@essexclass8168
@essexclass8168 4 жыл бұрын
>Chinese bombardment would decimate them before landing *Nervous April 1, 1945 noises*
@Gomes1989
@Gomes1989 4 жыл бұрын
add the koreas and taiwan into that scenario, it would the whole thing more interesting
@Ghastly_Grinner
@Ghastly_Grinner 4 жыл бұрын
Russia and China would lose much faster
@liamenriquez8156
@liamenriquez8156 4 жыл бұрын
@Tyler Chubb To be honest, I'd say Japan is their primary target while Taiwan as their secondary target since Japan nearer to Beijing, their capital. Thats my opinion tho.
@user-cb4qr2zg5f
@user-cb4qr2zg5f 4 жыл бұрын
if you add korea. north korea would definitely join the game, China and russia ground force will directly encounter south korean force. The US would definite aid south korea and send more ground troops to fight China and russia. It is hard to say who would win
@tymgamerz
@tymgamerz 4 жыл бұрын
Please do: How long can singapore hold up against malaysia
@汤代天
@汤代天 4 жыл бұрын
20 minutes?
@mickeyg7219
@mickeyg7219 4 жыл бұрын
Check the Patreon, it's WIP, it should be out within a month or next week.
@tymgamerz
@tymgamerz 4 жыл бұрын
@@mickeyg7219 ooo okay
@edgelord8337
@edgelord8337 4 жыл бұрын
1 second?
@kurousagi8155
@kurousagi8155 4 жыл бұрын
The Singaporeans have a better Air Force. So my money is on Singapore to actually win a war against Malaysia.
@Taospark
@Taospark 2 жыл бұрын
I mean the threat of mutual annihalation of the entire Northern Hemisphere is what prevents this entire scenario for better and much much worse.
@Mr556x45mm
@Mr556x45mm 4 жыл бұрын
Do China vs Bats next
@zeparthe16thspiritofarsgoe15
@zeparthe16thspiritofarsgoe15 4 жыл бұрын
Bats win
@ranhe8597
@ranhe8597 4 жыл бұрын
or us vs flu
@saltyshackles5227
@saltyshackles5227 4 жыл бұрын
The Japanese Navy alone would be too much for both Russia and China. The JDF Navy is the 2nd most capable Navy after the US Navy.
@appa609
@appa609 4 жыл бұрын
Without US support? They couldn't get too close to either Russia or China who both have large numbers of anti-ship missiles. Japan itself would be safe but the southern Ryuku are basically indefensible. They can certainly break any attempt at a blockade on the Eastern sea though.
@szi-yuanlee292
@szi-yuanlee292 4 жыл бұрын
are you kidding???????
@gachahistorymuseum3373
@gachahistorymuseum3373 4 жыл бұрын
Basically an attack on Japan is an attack on a well defended fortress.
@snasoof6046
@snasoof6046 Жыл бұрын
Basically an attack on a well defended fortress is something that somebody wont do, China wont and cant take Japan.
@ueks69
@ueks69 3 жыл бұрын
Good hypothetical analysis, but as was stated last in the video, there are other players, an attack on USA would invoke NATO...and Russia does not have the means to fight in 2 theaters real time, Then there is the 2 Koreas, Taiwan, Australia, Thailand, Vietnam, India.... A war of this Calibre would quickly escalate to a proper World war, and once pressed hard enough, one of the sides would most certainly use A-weapons, and then the outcome does not matter.
@lythd
@lythd 3 жыл бұрын
well the purpose of this video was china + russia vs japan + us, obviously there are other players that could happen but thats not this video
@adamorick2872
@adamorick2872 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think the next world war will involve nukes. My bet is all nuclear powers would fight it out in nonnuclear nations territory. Much like the Russians and Americans did in the cold war but on much larger scale
@mississippirebel1409
@mississippirebel1409 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoy watching these videos as someone who loves military history and who served in the US army as an officer for 12 years (2000-2012) with two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. While I do agree tha the US and Japanese forces would end up easily pushing the Chinese/Russian forces back I think this video also over looked some other options that the US could use. If China & Russia did attack the US wouldn't just use it's forces in the Pacific. People don't realize just how MASSIVE and capable the US military really is. So the US would end up attacking western Russia with all it's European and Atlantic forces to make Russia pull it's forces away from the Pacific, or to at least make sure than Russia can't free up forces to send to the Pacific. Unlike the US both Russia and China don't have enough military forces and capability to fight on two different fronts so far away from one another. The US would also use it's balistic missiles and air power to attack Russia and China in other areas. The US would make it so costly (which it would already be) for them that they could sustain the loses.
@Spenxo
@Spenxo 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, for your service
@machiavellianoverture1747
@machiavellianoverture1747 4 жыл бұрын
A defensive war against these countries has never been possible, and any occupation is briefly short lived. The ultimate goal would be to force capitulation in respective economies or decapitation strikes and preportional measures in attacks to force enough collateral damage and collapse of economy to force a settlement. There would only be stand-off naval combat exchanges and skirmishes on islands. Evacuation of Taiwan because they would be rekt by massed artillery weeks beforehand.
@lius20608
@lius20608 4 жыл бұрын
Your illigal occupation and killing of the natives of those tours of yours are nothing to b proud of.if u were defending your country i will seid tku 4 ur service.but killing and destroying others peoples countries so your oligarchs can live the real americants dreams are nothing 2 b proud of.think if it was the other way around how will you feel?.then try to defend your land and they call you terrorist?
@crocs4304
@crocs4304 4 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine the number of civilian casualties.
@nil981
@nil981 4 жыл бұрын
Revenge for the rape of nanking.
@phaenon4217
@phaenon4217 4 жыл бұрын
Patrick Milewski The hundreds of thousands of Japanese burned alive in US firebombings in 1945 not good for you? Stop being an idiot.
@mickeyg7219
@mickeyg7219 4 жыл бұрын
It'll probably be less than you think since both sides would avoid going after each other's mainland, as it's suicidal to do so anyway. But Okiniwans will suffer, no doubt, their great grandparents faced it before.
@Ghastly_Grinner
@Ghastly_Grinner 4 жыл бұрын
3-10% fully acceptable
@jrb2333
@jrb2333 4 жыл бұрын
Not going to do alot of back and forth here but I don't think most people understand the massive technological differences between U.S. military forces and those of China, Russian (and to be frank MOST of the world). The U.S. has OPERATIONAL Gen-5 fighters that will literally wipe the skies clean of enemy fighters. Rail guns are OPERATIONAL in the pacific theater and laser guns are in the testing phase (this minimizes the threat from land and air based ballistic missiles. Japan and Taiwan has Aegis cruisers and Japan has a STRONG national defense army. The swarm attacks that China will be forced to use will result in MASSIVE casualties for them. The USN will quite literally dominate the seas (sinking or restricting any Chinese surface ships from the seas and the appearance of Virginia class attack subs (which are OPERATIONAL already) will eliminate the underwater threat. U.S. casualties on the Korean peninsula will be high but U.S. response would create casualties on a level we cannot imagine. Make no mistake.... the existence of nukes protects the Russians and Chinese from annihilation... not the other way around.
@christopherz9612
@christopherz9612 4 жыл бұрын
Jabari Bryant the bear and dragon are the least that US wanted to poke. Any attempt will result in catastrophic event on US mainland.
@jrb2333
@jrb2333 4 жыл бұрын
@@christopherz9612 there are groups all over the world that want to strike us. Unless those 2 oceans shrink or vanish. Our navy and air forces are literally decades ahead of theirs and they won't get close to the homeland.
@thedidact2050
@thedidact2050 4 жыл бұрын
The only way countries can harm us mainland is with nuclear warheads. It is next to impossible to invade the United States
@Tosino831
@Tosino831 4 жыл бұрын
Christopher Z Any attempt will result in the obliteration of China and Russia. Assured partitioning of both countries and political restructure would occur.
@goodguy1726
@goodguy1726 4 жыл бұрын
@@christopherz9612 everyone hates China right now plus the US has the most influence in NATO. Israel would join with the us also even if they just attacked Russia
@christiancampbell5465
@christiancampbell5465 4 жыл бұрын
I think the biggest thing this scenario ignores is that china is neither food nor energy secure, and does not possess the navy to ensure shipment security across the globe. The united states possesses the means to intercept these shipments, thus denying them to china. The biggest issue for china would not be US troops, but rather the domestic implications of a food and energy crisis, on top of the economic implications of an exporting nation being cut off from consumers across the globe. The 1 belt 1 road initiative could mitigate this somewhat however it relies on the cooperation of all members in the chain. If even one flips to support the united states (or the US interrupts transport infrastructure via explosives) then it would have serious implications for china receiving the goods it needs to effectively combat the US and maintain peace at home.
@Postoronniy
@Postoronniy 4 жыл бұрын
One important nuance about pilot training - while NATO calculates flight hours from plane's engine start to engine stop, USSR / Russia calculates it from take-off to landing. Since, depending on the mission, pre- and post-flight segment can be a rather significant portion of time spent in the airplane (up to 10-20% of total time, perhaps?), the Russian flight hours should be revised upwards to be directly comparable to NATO ones. Not sure about how China calculates it, but since PLAAF was initially modelled after Soviet Air Force, then it probably uses similar approach too.
@alikhidzam3749
@alikhidzam3749 4 жыл бұрын
They'll never destroy anime
@joemufalli4290
@joemufalli4290 4 жыл бұрын
You mean the rising sun of Japan
@smiley3012
@smiley3012 4 жыл бұрын
You put a lot of time onto this. We'll done.
@loyaltoesjr.5184
@loyaltoesjr.5184 3 жыл бұрын
Japan knowing they will be the first to get pounded by ballistic missiles- "Ahh shit, here we go again'
@charliedallachie3539
@charliedallachie3539 4 жыл бұрын
Eh most likely depends how much effort the US is willing to spend, we could easily redirect all forces (multiple carriers) to that area, South Korea and Japan depend on our defense so they’d ring the alarm. Usually there’s a few but carriers are spread out same with subs. Okinawa 😟 used to live there
@AnonymousWins
@AnonymousWins 4 жыл бұрын
Oof. A lot of dum-dums in the comments. This is hypothetical. Commissar Binkov does not include nukes because the answer is always "Whoever has the most nukes" and this is just a fun experiment of military prowess.
@elleneim7638
@elleneim7638 4 жыл бұрын
Who ever has the most nukes doesn't even matter. No body wants to nuke a country that has nukes. Period. Even Pakistan.
@Psiros
@Psiros 2 жыл бұрын
Well, it's 2022 March as a make this comment. After the epically terrible performance of the Russian military in Ukraine, and finding out how corruption led to a lower state of readiness in their military (which is also found in China), I would have to say no. They could never kick the US out of the Pacific.
@SportsArchiveRU
@SportsArchiveRU 2 жыл бұрын
terrible performance? my dear friend. Russia could wipe out from the world map Ukraine if Putin wants, but that's not the target.
@keysersoze1537
@keysersoze1537 2 жыл бұрын
Dude they not trying to destroy Ukraine they trying to take it over not level it.
@user-qz4me3hb1d
@user-qz4me3hb1d 2 жыл бұрын
@@keysersoze1537 don’t be silly, their strategy of taking over wasn’t working so they’ve moved to leveling cities like Mariupol.
@whatwhat3432523
@whatwhat3432523 2 жыл бұрын
@@keysersoze1537 still. Terrible job even at that. russia is nothing compared to a even passive europe. In a couple of years Europe alone would dwarfe russias military and other capabilities. Together with the US, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea russia and china would face nothing but destruction.
@tacticolidiocy
@tacticolidiocy 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Chinese American US citizen, I definitely agree that China is corrupt, but PLN is growing very quickly, and have a much smaller area to worry about, so they might be able to remove America temporarily.
@GyorBox
@GyorBox 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone is like "OMG there is no way such-and-such country would stay out of it" How about just stop and comment on what is said in the rules of this scenario. Example, I firmly believe that 15,000 US Marines can hold off 40,000 Chinese troops. There may be more, but they are severely outclassed by training, equipment, and will. 15,000 US Marines could hold off 65,000+ Chinese troops, imo. Also, he is forgetting that the US has Destroyer-based missiles that can hit Satellites. The Chinese satellites that help the tracking for those long range missiles would be all but gone within the first month. The US taking 6 months to mobilize significant forces? Nah, the US has been prepared to fight a 2 front war since WW2. The ENTIRE Russian fleet would be destroyed within 3 months. The Chinese Fleet would take longer, but that's just based on more numerous numbers and strategic importance. Probably 4-5 months. By the One Year mark, the US will absolutely have air dominance and complete control of the all the Islands. The Chinese bases in the South China Sea? Gone or captured. Guaranteed.
@kuangtien3980
@kuangtien3980 3 жыл бұрын
China and Russia's nukes vs. America's nukes ......who would win ????
@kuangtien3980
@kuangtien3980 3 жыл бұрын
@Massimo Hack What happens if the conflict escalates and one side decides a first nuclear strike is their best option ???
@zlong598
@zlong598 3 жыл бұрын
Both China and Russia each can take out all US satellites at the beginning of the war as well. Can US fight without sateligtes?
@GyorBox
@GyorBox 3 жыл бұрын
@@zlong598 -- Russia, MAYBE, has that capability. Not China. And yes, it can. The US has numerous redundancy features.
@bordergore7623
@bordergore7623 4 жыл бұрын
Georgia the state vs Georgia the country I’ll never give up!
@MrCmon113
@MrCmon113 4 жыл бұрын
What about Georgia the island?
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