Kate Wallace: Why Talk About Faith, Gender, and Culture? [Biola University Chapel]

[@danielmackey6594]

I very much enjoyed this. Great job Kate! Thank you Biola for posting this video.

[@kokon3582]

Beautiful Sermon.. One of the most inspiring sermons I have ever heard

[@clopez6768]

i like this best sermon/teaching on the subject that i have heard so far :)

[@willgold9705]

Such a heated, close to home, topic for so many. I am an egalitarian who respects complementarians and am attending a complementarian church (in process of becoming a member) due to doctrinal convictions I hold to be more essential than this issue. God help us with this topic please!

[@PedroAcacio1000]

Great speech!!

[@nth7273]

This had no exposition of critical texts on the subject.

[@ShadyOakMinistries]

1:30 - That's the biblical view. As man is placed by God as head over woman, God is head over men. 3:30 - That's not true. The letter Paul made to the Corinthians made this matter clear where these lines became blurred. 3:50 - That's not true historically. This was never a major issue until the last century. 4:40 - That depends whether the Bible is authoritative or not. 5:15 - that's permitted in scripture. Women can be evangelists, any literally any other role but leadership. 7:20 - You mean like literally reading the passages? 7:35 - That's not what the bible says. 7:52 - That's not true, women can teach. They just can't hold authority over men. 8:35 - So instead of focusing on Jesus, you want power in the church in order to consider yourself a Christian? 9:10 - then read His word... 9:38 - except only one half of them were honoring it by reading it. 10:18 - How is that even relivant? Romans 5 makes the point that Adam and Eve's actions had impact on all of our lives going forward in the same way Jesus' did. Judas has nothing to do with giving us an impression of man. 10:34 - Actually that was the problem. Things were out of order and needed to be kept in alignment with scripture as an example to the rest of the world and to allow both men and women to serve in the highest capacity that God has called them to. 10:50 - Actually yes it does. 11:00 - Notice again, every role except elder. Women are called to be used by God in mighty ways and literally every possible way except the one God assigned to Adam based on creation and design. 11:30 - Okay, so which was the determining factor? Feelings or Doctrine? 11:40 - Eh? 11:50 - How is that a standard for church leadership? God called individuals to follow Him as He called them. Where to we get the foundations for knowing whether we're being led by Christ or our feelings? Scripture. Were women to hold the priesthood in the Old Testament? Could they still serve in any other role in the temple like Ana was during the birth of Jesus? 12:20 - :What the... 12:30 - That's the problem...feels. 12:40 - Umm, you do realize men can't get pregnant but both can hold a tray understanding what they're called to honor right? 13:30 - That's True. 13:35 - That's not true. 13:30 - So why is women leadership an issue then? 13:58 - So you take those words literally from Paul when scolding the church for missing the point of the gospel and how we relationally come before God, but when laying out in plain language in the Pastoral Epistles how the church is to be organized based on the Old and New Testament foundations and inspiration of the Holy Spirit, it's obviously not to be taken seriously? 14:20 - What else is the church supposed to teach then? 14:32 - Who called it into question? The Bible only says you can't play one role... 14:45 - What if that someone is your Creator? 15:00 - I'd rather define myself by the Bible then by what I can come up with on my own. My own self worth in relation to Jesus led me to suicide. 15::35 - Remind me again where we find the things that are t he basis of our value. 16:00 - Do you find it ironic that the global impact of Islam is being blamed on Christianity? 16:50 - That is a provenly false statistic. 17:10 - So you can't have value or a personal relationship with Jesus until you have power in the church? The gospel is dependent on the fact that you have to be a Leader? 17:35 - Again, what is ministry? Serving God as He's called you, not how your feelings guide you. 18:00 - Preaching the gospel and pastoring God's people are two different things. 18:08 - But God hasn't called you to do it, according to scripture. Emotional and Cultural bias are. The church isn't a secular organization, otherwise you'd have every right to hold whatever position your abilities allowed you to. The church isn't a secular organization. It's under the authority of God as head and He has laid out how it is to be organized where we'll be most effective as our Creator and Savior. The only reason you're going for those kind of positions is because of Genesis 3 and the fall of man. Look up "her desire would be for you" in the original language and tell me what it implies. 18:45 - And who put your husband in authority over you? Jesus wasn't it? 19:00 - Deborah were raised up as judges and Messiah figures because no men were available, and note, they didn't do the fighting. 19:07 That's an argument against yourself. Are you saying because Mary had a womb that she was called to be used by God in a way that men weren't created to? 19:15 - So if you're trying to be Christ-like, didn't He submit to the Father though they both were equal relationally as God? Do you think the same applies here?

[@atestring100]

19:00 Deborah was a Judge not because there was no man. The Bible did not say that! That is 100% PURE IGNORANCE

[@gfujigo]

I am likely not in agreement with what you typed. However I am really impressed that you carefully addressed each point she made and posed what seems like cogent objections.

[@danielmackey6594]

@@gfujigo Old post, but I agree; I do not agree with what he typed, not one point of it. I especially do not think it's polite, or Christ like, to downplay and criticize someones own experience growing up. And who is he to say she isn't called by God? ANY MAN could say they are called to pastor, and no one would stop them. NO WOMEN are even considered to pastor (within churches that agree with this guys theology).

[@shoudaogao6953]

Actually, if we look at this from a eternal point of view, it is a small thing. Any earthly matter being looked at from a eternal perspective is small. We are here for only decades. Remember that anything held above Christ can potentially be an idol. And sufferings due to traditional gender roles in the church or society can shape women to be more Christ-like in his submission, humility, and tenderness. It is not an absolutely bad thing as to spiritual molding. Remember what we do on this earth matter less than who we are. May this relive some indignation of my sisters.

[@shoudaogao6953]

Although this pilgrim lenses may or may not be relieving, our sisters in Christ have indeed in one way or the other suffered and been mistreated not equal to the brothers. Let us not forget to be compassionate and loving.

[@ralphdesmond]

That is a weak defense. Better to work towards ending the sufferings you mention than to rationalize them as helpful.

[@cryptocorey8582]

When Christ returns its for his bride and not his gender neutral church. We as the church are submissive to Christ as his bride, just as the church unit is to have men be the leaders over women, just as the family unit the men have leadership over women. Now women can teach other women, children, nonbelievers, and share perspectives of women. Women are not suppose to teach, or exercise authority over men. Unless you do not believe that the bible is authoritative you can not get past 1 Timothy 2:11. The context of that verse is explained that Man was created first then women, and man was not deceived but women became the transgressor. Not a bias no a current cultural only it was brought back to genesis. This would be like the church being the leader and Christ being the submissive. Christ did not sin but he was punished for the sin of his church in order to save them, just as Eve sinned but Adam was blamed for the sin. There is no female writers, no prophetess that had revelation, no female teacher over men, and no female leaders. Deborah is a good example of the curse that happens when a woman had to lead. Deborah was not in the wrong but the entire country was cursed because Barak would not lead. and Jesus did teach a hierarchy over and over and over..

[@danielmackey6594]

Sooo, Adam didn't sin? As a matter of fact, he did. Genesis 3:6b "She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it." God told ADAM not to eat that fruit. Adam ate the fruit. He sinned. And don't miss the fact that he was with her. Adam is not an innocent bystander who got blamed. He was a part of this interaction in one way or another. And he did not stop her from taking and eating the fruit. If Eve was deceived into sin, Adam's sin is much worse as he was not deceived, he WILLFULLY ate of the fruit. Don't blame Eve, it was a joint effort.

[@cryptocorey8582]

@danielmackey6594 did you see the part in my comment where I said Adam was blamed? You have lots of anger in your commenting, you missed when I showed Adam was to blame for not Leading his wife correctly. Eve's punishment in chapter 3 was personal, Adam was personal and because of his failure the ground itself is cursed. "Cursed is the ground because of you" this was said to show that "thru one man, sin entered the world". He failed at his leadership, just like all of mankind fail. We as sinners are separated from God, incapable of making things right. We are totally cut off. That is why Jesus came. He paid our debts so that we can be reconciled to God. A good husband leader his family to Christ. A good man Loves his wife like Christ Loves the church, and game himself up for her. The wife is to Submit to her husband, and to not speak out wrongly against his authority for the spiritual mandate by God. Remember in 1 timothy 2, the first explanation for women to not teach or exercise authority is that "Adam was created first". God explains created order and responsibilities of man and woman. This is not due to the fall but from the beginning. Loving the wife and giving yourself up for her goes beyond submission. Women are not lower than men, infact they are saved by the upbringing of children to Christ. Women typically being the direct influence on the children to God. Man has to toil in the fields, Women have the unique opportunity to raise the next generation towards Jesus. Our current society has Women submitting to a boss at work and sending their kids to government schools to learn the worldly culture. Forget math and English, kids today in schools are taught "Pride". Not talking gay or straight, pride in one's self, self love, your truth. These things have lead people away from God. Absent Fathers, unattended Mothers, and Children lead astray to a New World Order of sin, and distance from God.

[@danielmackey6594]

@@cryptocorey8582 Nah man, I wasn't writing that in anger. I can see where you would think that with the BOLD words. But I'm using them as emphasis, so what I'm saying isn't missed. As I understand the passage, Adam is to blame because Adam was an accessory in the sin. In my opinion, the text implies that Adam was complicit, and in no way innocent. I just wanted to point that out, as you made it sound like you were saying that Adam didn't actually sin, but he got blamed for it. I don't actually want to get into a long conversation on theology, or marriage roles... I just wanted to point out that your wording implied something that isn't in the text. (I have a wonderful marriage and I treat my wife with love and respect. I do not put myself in authority over her. Instead we walk with Jesus in mutual respect and love for one another, just as we are told to do in Ephesians 5:21. Most of our conflicts, which are VERY few, I tend to give her opinion greater weight than my own. 24 years and we love each other more than ever. I think Jesus would do the same if he had been married... obviously he was not, and obviously the bible doesn't say anything at all in regard to what he would do in marriage. Just something to ponder, so don't condemn me for those thoughts.).

[@cryptocorey8582]

@danielmackey6594 Adam wasn't an accessory. He failed to protect God's Law. They had one commandment. He is at fault. Eve is the transgreser. She did the initial action. Adam was right next to her. He allowed it to happen, and he was at fault. My comment pertains to male leadership in spiritual matters. If you don't address the actual topic, stop soft balling obvious facts. It appears thru your writing that you're missing the context with irrelevant information. These doctrines of male headship are present in the text, deal with the text, and show me where I'm incorrect. Paul's explanation of 1 Timothy 2 comes from Genesis. It's 2 parts, and one is before the fall. One is after the fall. The Bible is Complementarian, not egalitarian

[@danielmackey6594]

@@cryptocorey8582 I'm in agreement with Kate, and many others, on this. This is my last comment directed at you since you think like, and exude arrogance exactly like all the rest of the 'complementarians' I've talked to on this subject. I hope God blesses you.